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    Virtually everywhere I go and on most posts I read dancers are obsessed with $500 and $1000 nights. These girls look at dancing as "easy and quick" money instead of treating it as a career or a business. Girls tend to validate their worth based on higher nightly earnings than the next dancer.

    In a traditional job income is measured by the week or month. A $1000 night is meaningless if a dancer only works several days a week or month.

    To get ahead in this a dancer needs to work just as she would in an 8-5 office job, and take the good with the bad, to be more stable.

    I had ONE $1000 day last year, 1 $800 day and about eight $500 days in an entire year. Yet out of working 250 days had lots more days under $100, between $100 and $200, and between $200 and $400.

    An ambitious dancer must be patient. Too many dancers walk out of bokings because it is slow. Clubs will be up and down nowadays. You might make $100 for 3 days, $60 the next day and then hit $400 three days in a row. It is just like being a commissioned salesperson.

    I have worked bookings with MANY girls who walk out of a club or who hav a good night and take of for 3-4 days. What good does that do for your wallet or bank account?

    You must have a plan. Like saving 30% of what you make EVERY night whether you have a $60 night or a $600 one. Keeping records of what you clear AFTER payouts. Treating dancing as a traditional job and working Wed-Sun from 5-2 or whatever full time schedule you choose. if you are a student pick 3 nights a week and work them and SAVE that 30%.

    I left a bad relationship and started from scratch literally. My boyfriend who is my fiance now bought me all new clothes and gave me money to open a new checking account and I started working at a new club. I didn't make big money but he put me on the 30% plan. I even saved 30% on a $20 night and I worked 5-6 nights a week with the exception of a few 4 night weeks and in 3 months I saved $3000.

    My point is you have to have stability and focus. if i work a full month taking my good days witth bad and another dancer works hit and miss, no matter how many good nights she has, I will ALWAYS have more to show for my work than she will.

    What do you have to gain by walking out of a club because it is slow an having no where else to go to replace it? You can't have a wek with NO income becaue you are mad at the club being slow!! Complete the week saving you 30% and just don't rebook there. You also have to keep in mind that a club can be busy one week and slow another. You MUST mix the slow with te good.

    You wouldn't quit a sales job bcause of a slow week. Why do you do it as a dancer?

    What you net at the end of a 5-6 day week and at the end of a month plus what you have SAVED is what matters.

    You WILL NOT have as many big money days as low and middle of the road ones. The amount of money that is considered good for YOU can only be based on YOUR past earnings record, not what girls who boast of a $1000 night on December 29th say is good.

    Be a STEADY worker and save STEADY money and you will see your savings grow. If you work sporadically you will have sporadic money to show for it. Forget the $500 and $1000 nights and be the best you can be and save 30% of whatever you make being your best.

    And don't lose a nights work. You lose money if you miss a nights money no matter how slow it is. In an industry where over half of our customers have to go behind their wifes back to go to the club, your income will be up and down. But if you work this like a mainstream job never missing a night and always saving 30% and not leaving one club until you have another one to replace it and always finishing a weeks booking slow or not, you WILL come out ahead and have money to invest in other money making
    opporunities.

    You will have NOTHING to show for your dancing if you are not DISCIPLINED!!!! Many dancers work at an 8-5 job bringing home $400-$600 a week in 40 hours plus commute time, which is $80-$120 a day net and work for years at that job but walk out of a club if they have a night or two of those types of earnings. Your slow week at a club is going to most likely be better than an average week at a job and you KNOW you will have some MUCH better nights mixed in.

    You must be commited and patient and focused on saving money if you want to get ahead dancing!!!!!


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    That is sooooo right! Everything you said is exactly spot on perfect. Just the motivation I needed to get my lazy ass to work tonight instead of making an excuse to take off!

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    I follow a somewhat similar plan, although I have to "ration my energy" since this old lady can't handle dancing 5 or 6 nights a week, week in and week out, anymore. I basically set a dollar goal of how much money I must earn in a week, and then put in the amount of time necessary to achieve it. I also alternate between webcam and live stage to further "ration my energy" in weeks that require more than 2-3 nights to meet my income goal or when I'm a bit under the weather and don't feel like travelling. But like you I follow a strict formula as to where that money goes - x% for taxes, y% for savings and investments, z% for regular bills.

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    Default Re: Average earnings vs. Nightly earnings

    Tina, that was very well written. Concise, to the point and exactly right.


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    I agree too. I work three nights a week, consistently, good nights and bad nights (sometimes a night that starts out bad ends up good). If I don't hit what I need to hit in those three nights, I skip school and work an extra day the next week.

    When I get in my car, I have envelopes. $100 goes in the bank (bills paying) envelope, $10-30 goes in my pocket for gas, groceries, etc, and the rest goes in the savings envelope.

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    I use the envelope system too! It's really helped curb my excessive spending.

    I have:
    the rent envelope, and I put 1/4 of my rent in a week (usually 20-30 a night)

    the 10% long term savings envelope

    the taxes envelope

    the boob job and related expenses envelope (in 3 years I should be able to pay for it all!)

    a short term savings envelope (for whatever's coming up)

    and my house envelope (I want to buy a house in the next year)

    After doling out money to each envelope, I usually only have 40 or 60 bucks left, so that makes me go into work the next night (and it keeps me from spending it on stupid stuff I really don't need!)

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    3 bank accounts....Dancing money i deposit myself, savings, investing. Phone sex money, webcam i deposit myself, another account, savings (for anything daughter needs.). And my hospital job, direct deposit that pays the bills. All works fine. That to me is has been a god send. Leaves me plenty of play money if the night calls for it. Pamela

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    I too have recently changed to looking at my earnings PER WEEK not per night. I too now have a per week earnings min. goal too.

    Thanks for the input about the envelopes... I was thinking about doing that too now that I want to save up for a house and other things.

    This was a good read... glad I came across it. Good motivator too


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    I have jars instead of envelopes, but it's the same concept. And I use Microsoft Money (came installed on my computer with Windows and all) to keep track of my earnings, savings and spending. I have accounts set up for earnings, different accounts for different savings goals, etc. Every night when I come home I enter my earnings and spending, and it really helps keep me motivated to work and avoid excessive spending.

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    I use an expanded file instead of envelopes. The file has 13 pockets that can be categorized by the month and is a great size to keep all receipts and seperate envelopes. The file is small enough to keep in your auto compartment or in a small Brinks box in your house. It can be purchased at any office supply store, CVS, Kmart and computer stores.

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    I have to bump this, this is really good.

    even as a board newb, The quests for the steady 1000 and 500 dollar nights is something I noticed, but I wasnt sure if it was just me or If this is how money is really expected to flow and since I dont really dance in the United states I didnt know what was up! After reading this though, I feel alot better and ready to make even more money

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    keep in mind that the world economy in 2003 (when this thread was written), and in particular the 'disposable incomes' of typical strip club customers, were significantly better than today. In the intervening 3 years, most strip club customers have perhaps received a 10% pay raise, while gasoline has nearly doubled, food prices have gone up 30%, local taxes have gone up 30% etc. As such, even though your typical strip club customer may be earning a bit more money, 'necessary' expenses are taking a bigger bite out of his paycheck thus leaving fewer dollars to be spent on 'discretionary items' like lap dances !!!

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    I agree this is a good bump. I was going to reply then I looked again and saw its a really old thread!

    But I was (and kinda still am) one of "those girls" hehe... oops...

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    I'm "that guy", too. I get all sad if I don't make what I set as a goal for a particular night, but I have the constant refrain in my head, "average, average, average." Because my average kicks major total ass.

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    I really like reading this article. It's disturbing to see dancers espeically newbies with no budget or savings! I budget myself out at the beginning of every month. I decide how much I should make every week and that's my goal so it's so much sweeter when I go over. I calculate all of my expenses and spending money each month upfront. I also set a certain amount to save each month and break it down weekly. I think it's so much easier to be prepared then to scramble for rent money at the start of the month like so many do........ I'm also OCD so everything is totally organized.

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    I wish i had the motivation to work 5-6 nights a week =/ I have a family so its hard for me to choose going to work over spending time with them. i wish the hours really were 9-5 Id work EVERYDAY.
    I work till 2am i have an hour+ ride home, by the time im showered and in bed its almost 4, then i have to be up at 9 w/my daughter. Day shifts are OUT!Pay cut is NOT worth it.
    Does anyone else deal with this? what do you guys use as motivation? Or do i just cut my losses and work 1-3 shifts as i can.

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    I personally don't know if this is true for everyone.... I do much better working 2 or 3 8 to 10 hour shifts a week than if I worked 4 or 5 shorter days... I just feel less burnt out or somethiing....

    Also, yes, I do strive for 500 + a night... I don't really see whats wrong with that? I am not pissed off if i make 200 bucks or whatever, either but....

    There isn't anything wrong with striving big....Obviously if you work at a smaller club, it isn't realistic to make that much, but I dont see what the beef is....

    (and I know averages are more important than worrying about one day)
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    ^^^ Same. I found that I make MORE money when I go in slightly less, mainly because the job gets to me pretty easily.

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    This is an old thread but a great one! It's very relevant to me, post-dancing... I'm in a sales job at a newspaper right now and today we publish. I'm not going to reach my goal at all for the week and I'm feeling down about it. But Tina's post reminds me that tomorrow is a new day and as long as I keep a positive mindset and sow the seeds for a good run next week, then I should be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvanaLaya View Post
    I wish i had the motivation to work 5-6 nights a week =/ I have a family so its hard for me to choose going to work over spending time with them. i wish the hours really were 9-5 Id work EVERYDAY.
    I work till 2am i have an hour+ ride home, by the time im showered and in bed its almost 4, then i have to be up at 9 w/my daughter. Day shifts are OUT!Pay cut is NOT worth it.
    Does anyone else deal with this? what do you guys use as motivation? Or do i just cut my losses and work 1-3 shifts as i can.
    I'm in the same boat but instead of a family it's school. I need a motivator too, especially with gas prices as the are.

    Maybe I'll post a thread about it later in SG

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    I set a nightly goal also and don't see what the big deal is. If I don't make 500 and it wasn't a slow night, I will be pissed because I know that just means I didn't work hard enough.

    I really do see how working shorter shifts more time per week could be better than working long ones, more chance that you'll get some good days. If you live far away from the club though...it's a lot harder to work like that.

    After not being able to work for 3 weeks I'm really seeing how important it is to work a lot when you can, and unless you have outstanding obligations, that should be at least 3 times a week. The money I've made working a few nights here and there doesn't seem like much at all in the long run. Muy disappointing. Time to change that!

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    This is a great thread. I too look at my earning per week instead of per night. It's important to keep going to work regularly and not let the bad nights get you down. I know some girls always say, oh its slow in <insert month> so I work less. um...if you aren't there, you're not going to make any money.

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    I agree with saving a percentage and you're so right about working a regular schedule and being disciplined. I wish I would have been doing both of those things all along; maybe I wouldn't be poor and struggling right now.

    But I *totally* disagree about setting your sights and expectations low. You don't HAVE to have "more slow nights than good ones". It doesn't have to be that way at all; in fact it shouldn't be! You get what you expect. Why not expect and strive for MORE? Don't be afraid to set your goals high.

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    um, tina's post is about reality. sometimes, in reality, you will not in fact find that one guy to make your night. you may not be able to clubhop all over the country chasing the last refuges of low contact and 500+ per night earning potential. it has nothing to do with 'striving' and everything to do with simple math. every dancer, no matter how hard she strives, cannot be in the top 20 percent earningswise every single night. some nights you are gunna be in that 80 percent of dancers making 20 percent of the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    I use the envelope system too! It's really helped curb my excessive spending.

    I have:
    the rent envelope, and I put 1/4 of my rent in a week (usually 20-30 a night)

    the 10% long term savings envelope

    the taxes envelope

    the boob job and related expenses envelope (in 3 years I should be able to pay for it all!)

    a short term savings envelope (for whatever's coming up)

    and my house envelope (I want to buy a house in the next year)

    After doling out money to each envelope, I usually only have 40 or 60 bucks left, so that makes me go into work the next night (and it keeps me from spending it on stupid stuff I really don't need!)

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    I wish I would have seen this earlier! I'm going to start this system to see if it will help. I don't waste my earnings but I think just dividing it up nightly will help ease any tension.

    I agree with the first poster, if you aren't there to make the money how else will you get it? Waiting till the last minute is like holding your breath for a fucking miracle to take place. True, a lot of times it happens. Needless to say, the more you are there the better your odds are.

    You can totally have 2500+ week nights, if you know how to hustle and you are there. Sometimes you have to work 10 hours to get the 1,000 but it's well worth it in the end.

    It astounds me, girls that have a great night then don't come back in for a week and complain they are broke
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