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    Default Mindset of Gentlemens Club Customers

    Recently I have read many complaints regarding customers reluctance and slowness to spend money.

    Go to this site: www.aspd.net, click on forums, scroll to the bottom of the page to Texas, click Houston, and then go to "Strip Club Reviews Houston".

    Next go to "Success in Clubs" posted by Bull on 12/29/02 and read the entire post by him and others.

    This is the mindset of club patrons. This is their ultimate goal. And he obviously has money and is not cheap.

    Post your comments here regarding what you feel.

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    Okay, reading that was really depressing, but I am not all that surprised. Just from reading other posts on this board and from my own experiences, it seems like guys dont want just a fantasy anymore. I know I have been asked for extras plenty of times, some guys just come right out with, "How much to go home with me?" And I really don't think things are going to be getting better anytime soon. All I can say is I am SO glad I am in school right now,securing a decent future for myself, because I can only imagine how this business will be in a few years.

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    ah! yet another reason to add to my multitude of reasons why i hate men (dad and son excluded)
    what a bunch of fuckers (sorry)
    and yet it doesnt suprise me one damn bit
    the more postings i read the madder i got
    this is what it has come down to ladies..it's just all there in black and white now!
    its just like being the new girl at a dirty club...you'll make money for awhile till everyone figures out what you will and will not do! and then you wont make anymore money because all the customers go with all the girls that suck dick :o
    i have always been to scared id get caught doing anything extra...i like my job and id rather dance than sit on the picnic table outside the Rendes'vous (sorry, its a london joke, thats where the hookers sit)
    anyways its shitty
    really shitty
    blessed be

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    I remember a guy once who went to a strip club because he was lonely. He watched this one girl dance a couple times, then she came over talked to him and gave her number. They dated twice, he went to her home one night and her roomies were firing up a bong..end. He never called her again. Sure he was looking for a GF. So it seemed. She was willing to take it outside of work. Not good, my opinion.
    Bottom of the line: I believe there are good dancers, the ones who go to work stay within club rules, work a room very well, approach people in hopes of making money. Using every great asset she has to guide her. Makes her money and goes home! Safe...
    And bad dancers: They let men feel them up all over their bodies, go to VIP's and masturbate a guy off, or give a blow job, and that list goes alot farther inside a club.
    I don't believe it hurts the good dancers when the 'bad dancers' are putting out. These guys don't normally marry these women, just use them up, get bored and move on. I have seen it.
    The good guys inside a club, (again depending on location,) outweigh the bad guys. I have seen that as well. And us as dancers have alot of control over our actions, don't put out at work! To hell with a few bad guys,- good ones looking for laps' and stage dancers come along all the time. I don't see a problem as far as the bad customer to dancer percentage. Men look at all different types of dancers, not just ones who will play grab ass in the VIP. Put out and a dancer gets what she deserves, not much. Work your job very well and don't give it up, in the long run you develope that reputation for being one hell of a good dancer who is straight up, and puts up with not one customers crap. Respect for us is inside the club! My reputation has helped me alot. Men send men to me for a nice stage show. Let the girl in the corner get an STD, or the guy from her. To me it's all abot money!! Not nasty! save it for the bedroom. My thoughts about the "wanna be" dancers... they need to stand on street corners instead of corrupting our clubs. TO KEEP OUR CLUBS CLEAN, IF YOU DON'T GIVE IT UP, THE GUYS CAN'T GET IT!! Pamela...who loves her job dancing!!

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    OMG!!! That was horrible!

    I have only had a few guys act that but it does distress me when it happens. I think that to a certain extent it comes with the territory. I have had people move on and not want to go to VIP or have a dance from me when they found out I do not do "extras". I figure they are saving me the trouble of deal with an unpleasant experiance!!

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    Default Re: Mindset of Gentlemens Club Customers

    it seems like guys dont want just a fantasy anymore. (
    Some guys do, some don't. Things haven't changed very much. There are plenty of whore message boards for men who want that. Now that they are so public it appears that it is more common for men to want extras. It is slightly, but not much... The main difference is that it's much more visable now and guys assume that it isn't as rude to ask anymore. ASS-U-ME

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    I think this guy spends WAY too much time in strip clubs!
    He was "playing" 3 different dancers in 3 different clubs on the same day??

    Didn't someone say somewhere here that men who frequent SC's have intimacy issues?

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    I think 1//2 of it is all B.S.

    just lil men, with lil dicks trying to boost the ego up by playing kiss and tell some big stories in the locker room..

    these men would just be playing themselves if they came across me...... I know how to play that chase game real well... and you can tell thats what get em spending money.... just the "idea" he might get you to do something naughty, just for him.... you can milk those idiots all year long if you do it right and NEVER put out..... (if you put out I bet you don't get much more of their money.... they like the idea of something they have never had.....and may never be able to..


    Men are so Simple...........
    why we drive this bus IMO.....

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    I think Sara is really right. Different guys are looking for different things, they always have. Right now there is a surge in stripclub popularity. All things stripclub are becomming more main-stream, so you get to read things online and more people are talking...reguardless of actual experience. I wasn't shocked by anything...sounded like average guy BS. I doubt many of them really believe what they typed themselves.
    We all imagine ourselves the agents of our destiny, capable of determining our own fate. But have we truly any choice in when we rise, or when we fall, or does a force larger than ourselves bid us our direction. Is it evolution that takes us by the hand, does Science point our way, or is it God who intervenes keeping us safe.

    So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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    lol pryce
    good one
    blessed be

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    I think it's good to bear in mind that ASPD is a board intended mainly for reviews of escorts and escort services, therefore it seems logical that the types of club reviews posted there are ones where the emphasis is on receiving services.

    Also, guys are guys, and part of that is sometimes just seeing what they can get away with. That doesn't make them pigs, just men. Unless you are of the opinion that all patrons of the sex industry are pigs, (and some people are, but not me).

    I am still making a living from dancing for guys that want dances and company without feeling pressure to do anything but give good dances and have a personality - one that doesn't exude a distaste for the work I'm doing or the people I'm doing it for and with.

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    The cockiness he portrays to the girls in the club (which he admits 'makes up' for his lack of looks, insecurity, male/female social ineptness, etc.), definitely comes through in his posting.

    This guy is going to continue to get what he wants in clubs because there are always going to be the girls that put out. That's a given. However, what i did find comical is when he said,
    "The girls talk among themselves and it helps when one tells another that you are fun in VIP. Amazing how they can get upset or jealous if they get left out. "

    ..In this sense, he's just as played as every other guy that thinks he's got any clout other than a fat wallet. A girl tells him he is "fun in VIP" to his face, but the girls certainly don't say to each other,
    "Oh hay, Candy - go try with him, even though he's got a shitty attitude and his hideous looking, he's *fuuun* in the VIP!
    It's more like,
    "Oh Candy. See that guy? Total prick- cocky bastard and total pain in the ass in VIP. But he tips well and drops some cash, so you might want to try him. Make it seem like you're all into him and want to play and he'll take you to VIP"

    And somehow as 'hip he is to the scene' of playing the girls/ playing the game, by that comment he stil thinks he is winning. And that might be fine in his own mind. These guys are in every club across the nation, and we'll not rid of them ... but then so are the other guys who just want to spend 4 hours in VIP braiding your hair, massaging your neck, and singing the songs that the dj's playing.

    Colette made an excellent point in pointing out what that board was initially intended for - as in escorting, etc. So you will have more of that mindset pervading the boards. It's just unfortunate when you have to see it in black & white.
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    I am not an "extras" person and it does not suit me personally but I think that the point should be made that contrary to popular belief there are men that do not care if the girl is playing that "lets get his wallet" game.

    There are more guys like Bull than you may think and many of them are even worse.

    To go into a club and drop a few hundred even to a few grand just does not matter that much in most cases and there are guys that enjoy the back and forth nature of the manipulation even without asking for extras.

    When you can afford to play game it is not nearly as irritating or disgruntling as it may seem as the money given over is relatively meaningless.

    I have gone on far too many trips with guy friends where the guys are the ones leaving the club and the bars laughing.
    The dancers may feel like they made out but in reality they did not as the guys that act that way can afford to play with whatever money the dancers think they can get and it is just not as issue as quite often it is worth the money just to get a good laugh out of it as going to the club and paying a few hundred dollars to drink, laugh, and get those extras is paltry compared to what they normally spend for girlfriends that do those same things but get an awful lot more in return.

    I know more then a few such guys who have 1st, 2nd, 3rd+ wives, kids, and girlfriends and they are paying for two, three, and even more house payments at a time in addition to mountains of gifts, cars, boats, trips, and almost every other thing that you can think of.
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    I notice that no matter where you work guys want more . I work bookings in the upper Midwest most of the time now and he guys can't get extras in he club but they "Do you date" us dancers to death.

    I think part of the slowdown in this business is due to the fact that the whole gentlemen's club experience has gotten to the "been there done that " level and guys are more focused on trying to get what they've always wanted anyway.

    In Houston and a few other cities where mgmt condones sexual extras guys want the thrill of the chase. As thy say on Aspd, they could go to a studio and know what they are getting but want to see how far their negotiating skills will take them. I regularly read aspd comments and since I have danced in Houston am aware of what goes on .

    I see so many commets about girls getting rejected for dances and clubs are so much more expensive for guys to patronize now compared to a few years back especially with most of he expense acct money dried up that i think more and more pressure is going to be placed on a guy getting more for his money or the clubs becoming more party places geared to high volume with seating that forces stage tipping.

    And even with the extras available, lots of guys don't have money to pay for them.

    I guess we all have to ask ourselves what we would want if we were customers. Guys have experienced the $20 airdances and need something new to spark their interests where we could make money instead of losing the money we lose when we decline the sexual extras.

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    I feel it's up to the ladies in a clean club to keep it clean. I am a customer who loves conversation, nice slow and sensual LD's and never asks for extras. I've been in the LD room with my special lady when she has made comments about the lady in the next booth giving extras. Yet she never goes to management to report it.
    Ladies, you need to police yourself. As long as there are one or two dancers in a clean club doing extras, guys will constantly be asking for them. Rock on – stay safe !
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    OF all the slezy things to say.. That is unbelieveable how the only thing they care about is getting some "Action".. The thrill of the hunt? Am I the only one here who thinks thats just wrong?



    These men are of a low Looow grade...

    grade A man = exellent!

    I give these sleezzee ball men a grade of Z

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    Shan I didn't say I agree with it... It's just a fact of life. Just to clear things up. I never ask for extras but I never turn them down if offered.
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    IMHO, the direction that Houston clubs have taken lately is directly explainable by the fact that Houston was one of the cities most severely hit by the economic downturn. It was hit bad, and it was hit early i.e. Enron. As a result, business levels in Houston are down severely, business guys are under orders to pinch pennies, business guys from outside of Houston are not travelling into Houston to do business anywhere near as often, and they are also under orders to pinch pennies. The Houston clubs and dancers have done what is necessary to continue to attract guys spending cash into their clubs, and if the upscale business guys with expense accounts are gone they're willing to pry the money out of blue collar guys and penny pinching businessmen by delivering the goods! They also play the game of hide and seek with local cops, with the dancers assuming the risk if they are busted and the clubs reaping the profits.

    I really hate to be pessimistic, particularly on this board, but there a number of other cities whose business climate is following the same path as Houston. The downturn is just occurring a year or two later i.e Seattle (bye bye Boeing), most of Southern Cal (dot-com = dot-bomb), Taxachusetts etc. So far it appears that the only areas escaping the worst of the downturn are the MidWest (still making cars although not making profits) and Florida where tourists flock in every winter and where retirees nest eggs haven't totally collapsed yet.

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    A LOT of major metropolitan area clubs are struggling. I can add to Melonie's list. Minneapolis, The San Francisco Bay Area, Austin Tx, San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas/Ft Worth, Portland OR, Albuquerque. The list can go on and on.

    A ripple effect occurs when several major markets face less club business. Dancers flock to other major cities in search of the money they were making before.

    Houston was offering "extras" well before Enron collapsed. Airline business is down in part due to less business travel. And if major corporations are scrutinizing expense accounts now, it effects travel to any city those companies send their top execs to and is not just relegated to Houston.

    Actually when Giuliani emposed the restrictions on strip clubs in NYC, the ripple efect hit Houston next in 1998 when licensing was first started there, and then it spread to Phoenix, Dallas and so on. This had a large effect on the overwhelming surge of dancers hitting Las Vegas and Austin clubs and from then on the business has been dropping off like crazy. The usually lucrative Pheasant hunting season in South Dakota this year was the worst in many years. Companies used to pay for their employees to go hunting there every year and this year the companies stopped.

    Just because your city is "safe" now doesn't mean it will stay that way.

    Guys have always wanted sex from girls whom they are attracted to. And even when desperate dancers offer it to them in some form, all cannot afford it.

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    ok as my first official post on here
    < lurked for a while >

    i am an aspd member

    i have been in and around the SOB industry for a number of years

    i have a preety good grasp of the SOB industry

    ok first there is NEVER a club ANYWHERE that some kinds of extra's arent offered < compared to legally specified dance limit;s > for instance do you dance in a so called no fly zone like houston has where 3 foot must be maintaned between customer and dancer at all times ...

    if you cross that line well you just gave a guy an extra so all the girls that work there now see you doing a body slide or butt grind to a customer there customers see that and then if they dont provide that level or service to them they will look for those who do
    well expand that idea to include more extra's
    i wont list but you all know what i mean ......

    now i notice that some people doubt what happens in houston , let me assure you that it is TRUE and is actually under reviewed ...

    now dont blame the guys for this the blame is largely on the ladies < not all but mostly> first as a dancer if you dont like what a guy is doing you can call managers, bouncers, d'j's, bartenders waitresses ,other dancers and make that customer stop doing what you dont like
    as a customer if you dont want to do extras how do we make you ........ we CANT !

    so dont blame us for making you do it

    we do get the blame for asking if you will and providing the incentive to do so < CASH >

    you are the ones who decide yes or no we just ask < in some cases beg >


    no as to us beeing some kinds of monsters that is untrue

    speaking personally i treat dancers with respect untill i am showed i now longer need to , ie get screwed over >
    i have maintened friendships with dancers that have lasted for years < catered there weddings to babysitting there oldest kid while there youngest was beeing born . to beeing a godfather etc etc etc etc >

    and on the reverse side the dancers who only see me as a walking atm machine good for cash cash cash well they will be treated as well as they treat me

    and as such alot of what happens on ASPD is warning each other about such people we warn each other that such and such will try to pad the bill or that she is really a person you want to meet she is a hoot.

    how many dancers have had a b-f or husband or some cute guy they were interested in show up at work and well it was slow so u went to a dark corner and made out ...... that guy or dancer across the club doesnt know its a personal moment but they see you all over each other and the guy goes damn you mean instead of sitting here watching i could be kissing or gropping and the dancer is saying damn that is how she makes her money

    so then the dancer starts kissing the guy or feeling him up or putting his hand in certain places the guy gets happy starts buying more drinks and more dances and everyone is happy < club , dancer, guy>
    now the next time he comes in and a dancer just dances for him he will be like well damn last time i got to kiss and hug and tickle she just wants to sit across the table and expect money i dont think so
    so then the guy looks for a dancer who will be a little bit more frisky and so on and so on and so on

    now granted each city each club each dancer is different

    now what about feature dancers on the SOB circuit who stop of in vegas to meet some fans one on one for an hour or 2 ..........
    who is to blame on that issue ???????

    why do we blame the guys for wanting to spend some quality time with the dancers or the dancers who realizes i can dance for 8 hrs work my tail of and maybe not make any money or see this guy i like for an hr or 2 and make my money for the day ?

    i personally dont see many people saying let me work my ass of for 8-10 hrs and maybe not make any money when i can work 1-2-3 hrs and make a LOT of cash .......i am not throwing blame just my observations .


    once again let restate the point with out the dancers there would be no extra's

    i am sure i am about to start a lively debate so let me stop now befor this gets to long to reply to



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    while i can agree with your post i really cant agree with your choice of user name given this site is for dancers
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    I am also an ASPD member. Those of us that live in Houston know we live in a city that is hands-down, the most open city in the US when it comes to GC's, extra's, spas, escorts, etc. It's always interesting to hear the other viewpoint and I have enjoyed reading your board this afternoon. The thread discussed here covers a great deal of what goes on, but there are a few others that complete the picture. Check out the threads "Prices in strip clubs", "Club Speak I" and "Club Speak II", as well as checking out a few of the reviews and you will get a very good idea of what goes on here.

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    Well said by everyone. And if women did not sell their bodies, we would not have guys paying for sex. Both sides 'can' be blamed. However us as women have the power, If we don't offer it, it can't be had. Pamela

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    as melonie stated about florida there is still money to be made but i live in tampa and will not work here as almost every club here is a open brothel . the ones that arent out in the open are a meeting point for later. i worked in tampa till 96 and it was not like that before. i do work in fl and do well. anything past orlando down (except cocoa beach/melbourne) it is both full extras as well as dancing. hell i know a girl that works in w.palm beach and they sell condoms in the restroom for vip. i couldnt believe how much it has changed here in tampa, with a "lingerie modeling" studio on every corner and club magizines with open ads for incall and outcall complete with pictures.
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    Very true Velvet. I don't work Tampa, but i am across from Orlando. Some clubs i never went into around here. 2 new ones just opened. I work in a topless club, and it's also full nudity! They just want girls who will work and bring in the guys. The county is good. I like it. Older crowd pretty much. I know my key has not so much been luck in finding the right club , it has been mainly in finding the repeat customers. But i like the clubs (that i go to) around here just fine. They are not for everyone, you have to work your butt off, and be there when your regulars are, or you may lose them. Thats why i give my card out. I also have a toll free number they can call on to let me know they are hitting the club. It helps me.
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