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    Ladies--

    How common--and acceptable--is the end-of-the-night hustle? Near closing one night, realizing I was likely to be her last customer, a dancer insisted she gave me four dances instead of two, overcharged me, and demanded a big tip.

    My clean-and-sober recollection (I'd had only diet cokes that night), was that I had one dance, accepted another, and was NOT asked if I wanted a third and fourth. I couldn't have spent more than six minutes with this woman, so unless the DJ was playing 90 second songs that all sounded alike with no interruption in between, no way was I given four dances.

    Also, the regulation rate at the club was $15 per dance, and though I ended up giving the girl $85 total, she still had the nerve to demand "Where's my tip?" as she chased me out the door.

    Ladies, I love treating--and paying--dancers well, and have found most dancers will be as polite and respectful to me as I am to them, but this kind of hustling leaves a bad taste in my mouth and keeps many nice guys (yes, we're out there) from frequenting clubs more often.

    So, I ask you, was this a legitimate hustle in your eyes? If not, what should my response have been to this girl, and what recourse would I have as a ripped-off customer? Or is the whole strip club experience strictly buyer beware?

    Thanks for your input.

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    Did she tell you she was going to give you 4 dances ? If so, you should know you will be charged for them. Unless a dancer tells you she will give 2 free.

    Problems like this happen with no communication. I understand some guys 'trust', but you really need to know what you are getting, and how much it's going to cost you...Up front.

    Simply sounds like if you did not know what was going on, you got ripped off.
    If you did know the dances where $15 each and she offered 4 to you, she gave a "bad" hustle.
    Again, to me it's a rip off hustle.

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    Dear Pamela--

    Thanks for your response. No, the dancer did not tell me in advance that she was going to give me four dances. In my experience, dancers will stop at the end of each dance and ask if I want another one. This did not happen in this case and, like I said, I don't believe I actually got four dances.

    Furthermore, as an addendum to my original post, the dancer was not satisfied with the $85 I gave her. She said I owed her a hundred bucks. As I stated, the dances at this club are $15 each, so what I gave her was more than generous, under the circumstances.

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    MRK i am sorry this happened to you. I have seen this before, it was usually with the more in-experienced dancers. But i am sure anyone is capable of doing this to a customer.

    Yep, from what you said, plain and simple you got taken.
    When i did lap dances the songs were short, (cut) and i stopped. I have also noticed some songs are long, and the dancer will then keep going untill her legs are weak, you can pretty much see she is so friggin tired, then charge more, saying she had given a few more dances.

    It's sucks, and alot of the "bad dancers" in clubs will have alot of tricks up their sleeve.

    In the future be careful. Watch out for loooong songs, and negotiate up front. Tell the dancer, i want X amount of dances, or one right now, and this is what they cost... ? Ok, i will pay for_____.

    Good luck,
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    Yeah it sound's to me like she had a crappy night and used you to get her to her expected take for the night. It isn't the norm and is in my eye's deplorable behavior from a dancer. It is unfortunately a situation that you where enticed into and can do no more then use it as a learning experience. If I where you, I would frequent that club and lavish every other dancer but her letting her know you wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire since she took advantage of you. Hey that's me though, I tend to be spiteful in situation's like that and do what I can to make that person realize that they made a grave mistake taking advantage of me.

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    Yeesh I am so sorry that had to happen to you. What crazybob said was absolutely right. Go ahead and be spiteful. Personally, I would have spoken to the manager. Yes she could have gotten fired, but the industry doesn't need con whack jobs. Ugh, what kind of girl DEMANDS a tip?! Especially if she ripped you off to begin with?! Horrible.

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    I take a very dim veiw to being husled. if I think I am getting ripped off I will not pay it. I Have had dancers do the old, well since I don't have change just give me that and I will break it. I will get the change myself and let her acompany me. I have only one time felt I reall got ripped off by I dancer, and I did not go to that club for a year. I am a very frequent visiter so a lot of managers and regular dancers know me well. I have had one or both side with me if I had a despute with a girl that was trying to rip me off. but that has RARELY happend. you just don't make money if word gets around that you scam people. If another custormer asks me about a paticular girl. I will give my honest opinion, including if the have pulled somthing on me.

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    The 'just keep dancing' thing is a common hustle. You agree to one dance, she dances, then keeps going and going and going.... If you don't want more than the one song you agreed to, you have to tell her to stop. Girls try to do this all the time, hoping that you'll be too shy to speak up. You have to pay attention to what they are doing and speak up when they are trying a hustle on you.

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    um its the guys priority to say no,noone was there and noone knows for sure what happened she may have really danced the four songs, she asked after the first to about another so by then the guy should be able to count and ask or say is this a third I dont want it or ok I think I am done now,she should not have demanded a tip though,unless he was absolutely handy the whole song and disguting then maybe it would be acceptable in that case,but you should say listen Iam done or stop ,I usually ask after first three ,then after that the guy should say something then I will ask again on the say fifth we are up to 5 now do you want to keep going.I have asked guys who ignored after the first like 3 times so I figured ok he thinks Iam an idiot of course he want another, to be told no I didnt want that after I asked ,so it works both ways and we dont know the complete story.

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    Could have been a hustle, or maybe SHE wasn't so clean and sober! I have never asked for a tip above and beyond the cost of the dance(s)! When it's offered it's a nice surprise.

    Maybe you should pay up front for dances, or somehow keep count verbally with the dancer. When she asks for another dance, "Yeah, let's go for 2 (3, etc)." Or if she continues to dance but you're done, "I'm going to have to stop with 2, thanks."

    Sorry, this happened to you, but don't let it ruin you for the rest of us. There are nice dancers who would never dream of hustling anyone. On your way out of the club, you should have made the manager aware of the hustle (or the drunk who can't handle her liquor, whatever the case may be) and how you paid for 5 dances when she "claimed" you had given her 4. Also, demanding extra tips from customers is usally a big No, No in many clubs, so I'm sure that management would have appreciated the heads up.

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    Wow! I've never had either of those two things happen.

    No dancer has ever asked for a tip over the dances. And none have tried to say they did more.

    There are rotten apples in every barrel. The times that I've heard of dancers doing that, is when the guy was being an asshole. I'm not saying you were.

    Go back and find another apple! They're pretty good

    Personally, I like the other experience, where we one of us loses count and doesn't care!!! 10 --- Oh!! 11 --- Yeah! 9 --- What was that last one?....lol I dunno. If we're within one or two it's OK.

    Backrubs sometimes make dancers forget the numbers and where they are.

    I guess I pick my apples pretty good.

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    I think i will keep an open mind on this message and remember that i have seen the best of regulars get taken. Some guys are not aware of all the different "rip offs" that can be done.

    It can be easy to get caught up in a dance, and forget to be aware of your surroundings for some. And thats not a bad thing for the cutomer, (only if he gets ripped off) he's simply into the moment.

    We are the dancers, we need to be the ones accountable for our actions when it comes to dances, and exchange of money. It's our job, they are just visiting us.

    It happens. It sucks.
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    um its the guys priority to say no,noone was there and noone knows for sure what happened she may have really danced the four songs,
    I'm assuming that by "priority" what you meant was that it's his responsibility, in any case, that's BS. YOU are the entertainer, HE is the customer. Thus, his first priority's to have a good time. Yours is to see to it that he does have a good time, ACCURATELY keep track of dances, let him know in a nice way how many you've done and ask if he'd like to do some more, listen to the DJ to be sure you're not on stage next...ect. That's what prioritizing is.


    MRK, I've never done anything like that; but I see it done all the time and it really bothers me. The only time I'll keep going w/out letting him know is when I've already asked "would you like me to keep going." and he says "just keep going." Even then I stop after five, if I don't really know him, and say something like "why don't we take a little break and have a drink."

    I'm very good at keeping track of the songs; but there have been a couple times when I was really enjoying myself and lost track. I knew approximately how many and I giggled and told them the truth, I was having fun and lost track it was somewhere between X and Y. They've always tipped extra so it worked out well.

    I happen to be one of those who are incapable of lying. I've never seen it as any sort of benefit to me, and I won't lie to "benefit" others either. I've been called brutally honest and a bitch many times; but at least I can sleep well at night (actually morning...I'm a night owl)




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    Thats why it pays to get usually get dances with ones who you have built up a reporte with. Its always "caveat emptor" when getting a dance from an unknown. It is absolutely not right that a dancer does that, its flies in the face of human decency. Still, the reality is that some will do that, so its best to be on your guard, unless you know the dancer. I am not suggesting that you head into a VIP dance with a hugely distrusting attitude, only at least a modicum of awareness of what potentially could happen.

    When I get VIP dances (and I do) my mindset it two-fold. One, I am enjoying the pleasure of a beautiful woman who is in different states of dress and undress. I am a normal healthy male of the species, thus this sort of thing is inherently enjoyable to me ("What? Im a guy and I like beautiful woman? Surely You jest...") Two, I feel a sense that I am helping someone earn a bit of their living. That is the tip-earning bartender in me. I make my money, which pays for bills, food, clothing, shelter, schooling and my future, the same basic way as the dancers - through tips given to me by the general public. I feel it is only right and proper for me to work for and earn my tips, and it gives me great pleasure when someone appreciates my efforts by being generous. I could NOT live with myself if I hosed those people I am taking care of by underhanded tactics to make more money off of them. That offends my sense of self-respect, ethics and propriety. My reaction to a dancer who would do such a thing would anger and offend me, because in the whole scheme of things I know and understand the process.

    You want to have a little revenge against her? Go back to the club when she is working and have a great time with ANOTHER dancer. Its subtle, but it says "I will still spend my money here, just not on you". It hurts no one, and you still have a good time.

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    Naomi ,everyone has there opinion,your way or your opinion is not always correct ,thats why its called an opinion, It is not just the dancers responsibility ,but the customers as well for his own well being too keep track as well I dont work in tiny little clubs ,there are usually 500 plus guys in the club I work in and I dance for many ,I will ask after the first few and will let them know when we are up to say 5 so I dont get ripped off as well I have seen girls ask only to have the guy say I thought that was one when it was actually 10 and the poor girl looses out on 200,so it works both ways ,some guys actually go from club to club and do this or figure Iam out of state I will never be back and this happens more times to dancers than I have seen to cusomers, but again I work in a scores type of club w/ 500 or more guys and like 100 girls, so you had better now whats going on in these types of establishments.

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    When you get into a big club, it can be confusing. I think that we as dancers have to take the lead. BUT....if you have a customer who wants more, it is easy to get caught up in the action for both parties involved.

    Example: Who has ever lost track of time ? That is easy to do, but seems like it should not be. Anyway, dancing for many many cutomers per shift i can see where a dancer can lose track of dances etc.

    It happens we are normal. Clubs are loud.
    But NEVER chase a gy out the door for a tip. And NEVER deliberatly "rip off a customer". Bad for everyone.
    Pure P. was is a big club, we pulled in huge crowds, i am sure i forgot to get tips etc. If i was not sure, i would not ask. Just make a mental note for the next guy.
    A customer does have a responsiblity upon entering a club, many actually. Any regular will tell us that. And to ensure they don't get ripped off, many will ask price, dance whatever ahead of time. It's the new guys in the clubs that usually fall prey to a "rip off'. Usually. Gosh, i have seen it happen sooo many times. There are quite a few dancers out there who do their best to rip off a customer. Especially a first time guy.
    Just my take. I have seen and heard it happening.
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    I have read dozen's of trade magazine's ( bar, restaurant and nightclub adult nightclub type's ) and the biggest compromising aspect of the business in every instance is SERVICE. We are at the customer's mercy literally. They pay to come in and see us and a show, to be served and get attention. How a customer is treated is the single most important ingredient to having a successful club. If a guy leave's the club having a great time and feeling his money was well spent then he may tell two friend's and they may come and in turn tell two of there friend's. If a guy come to a club and leaves feeling like he was taken advantage of ...... he will stop people he don't know and tell them what a crappy time he had. MRK is a perfect example of this and should be, he feel's he's been taken advantage of and I'm sure we aren't the only one's that know it, so this little dancer has done a great deal of damage for herself and the club and of coarse the other dancer's. Some people are impossible to please and that is unavoidable but I also find that some dancer's feel that when a customer come though the door it's his responsibility to spend money, eccentially on her and to get as much of it for as little work as possible. I can go on about this subject all day, I preach it at work daily and force my people to live it. It work's and my book's will attest to that fact.

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    I agree with Crazy Bob that many dancers are just plain greedy and don't treat the guys as they would want to be treated.

    There are lots of reasons for dancers treating customers dishonestly. The clubs offer no training and many are putting a lot of pressure on girls to make higher than necessary pay outs which in turn causes some of them to squeeze guys too hard for money.

    Every dancer doesn't have the personality and selling skills to do this business and many guys are tired of waking up in the morning feeling they blew money in a club instead of feeling they had a good time.

    The advent of upscale clubs has created a greed factor in owners and some dancers which has quite frankly caused many guys to stop going to clubs or to be more cautious when spending money in them. This is a BIG reason why the business is slower now.

    Clubs constantly fighting to stay open is causing them to find ways to recoup legal fees and is another big part of them problem.

    The dancer was trying to force dances out of you and even after you overcompensated her she still wanted more.

    I would suggest you stop a girl in the future after 2 songs if you want more dances and pay her for those before continuing. Then if she is unscrupulous she will see that you are not to be played. And don't tip a rude dancer. Tips are for good service and not to be given to someone who is unfriendly and obviously just wanting your money.

    There are good dancers out there but you have to be careful.


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    The advent of upscale clubs has created a greed factor in owners and some dancers which has quite frankly caused many guys to stop going to clubs or to be more cautious when spending money in them. This is a BIG reason why the business is slower now.
    This is so true, that's why it really bothers me when I see another dancer pull that shit. It makes it hard for the guy to trust or feel comfortable around dancers, so the rest of us end up loosing out on money.

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    You should have paid her for the four dances, told her to shove it up her ass when she demanded a tip, and then told management what happened. It's always good to ask the DJ how many songs he played...
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