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    I was wondering what all of you strip club customers out there think about your local clubs. I was wanting to get some reaction to specifically what would make you more happy, and there by get you into the club more often.

    Please let us know what you want to see. What would make you happier about coming to the clubs and recommending the clubs to your friends (please be reasonable, as free alcohol, or sex with the dancers just isn't going to happen) ?

    Feel free to make outrageous suggestions like water slides for dancers and customers (if you would really like to see this in a club!)

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    Okay. I'm a regular at a couple different places, and I like them for different reasons, and they both have their faults. But if I didn't like them, I wouldn't keep going back.

    They're both bikini clubs but with very different feels to them. One, and probably the one I like better, is closer to feeling like the local bar. Really the only difference is that the television with football or whatever on is replaced by a live person, who, when her turn on stage is over, is free to come and chit chat or whatever. It's a really relaxed place where you can just go and get a couple of beers, talk to some people, and go home. The problem with this place, really, is that some of the dancers are just too pushy. They'll order drinks without asking if you'll pay for them, or even if you say no. That, I suppose is the real problem, that they just won't take no for an answer.
    The place is also laid out for a bar rather than a club. The stage is too small, there are too many pillars in the way, and the dancers are there for lap dances rather than to be on stage.

    The other place I frequent is more like most of the clubs I've been to. It's loud and packed and there's a real energy to it. For the most part it's very typical, except for the fact that the dancers don't spend all their time in the dressing room, and they aren't overt in hustling. They'll ask once, if you say no it's no, and continue talking to you for a while. They don't act like the only reason they're talking to you is to get you to take your wallet out.

    That pretty much outlines what I ask from dancers. Just like you want me to respect you as a person, do the same for me. I've been chased out of too many clubs by rude women who absolutely won't take no for an answer, or (and yes, ladies, I do know the score, you're doing a job) looking for the money and that's all. I'm sure there are some guys who go into clubs and try to treat dancers like whores. I'm not one of them. So don't treat me like a john.

    Glass, and brass guard rails annoy me. they block the view, and I have a tendency to lean on them (I'm 6 and a half feet tall) which makes management and dancers nervous, it's a habit that I check when I realize that I'm doing it. They also make it hard to tip for dances.

    A good pole trick will always get me on my feet to tip.

    And finally; lap dances. Yes, I get them, but as I'm in the club every couple weeks I can't always afford to get one. When it's in the books that I can, I usually will.
    The first dancer that I actually got regular dances from wound up being a pretty good friend of mine, and so I got a lot of insight into the whole ettiquite of lap dances from her. But the reason that I was getting dances from her everytime that I went in there was that SHE broke nearly every rule that she set for me in dealing with other dancers. I like the fantasty and the tease, and a good part of the tease with her, and a few of the others that I got to know later, was what she was going to do. She often complained, "you're not aggressive enough." And would put my hands on her breasts or whatever. Which I'm all for, as long as the dancer is comfortable with it and completely in control. For me, part of the fun of the tease is what she's going to do with me. Sometimes she'd make me sit on my hands, othertimes she would take them and probably break the law, but she was always the one in control, and it took a few dances to get to where we both knew what was cool and what wasn't. We developed some rappaport, and that was fantastic. But I've gotten good, and many, dances from girls who didn't go that far. The worst were always the ones that were paranoid that I was going to do something, they were uncomfortable and that really ruins the dance. I'm paying $30 to someone who isn't going to even try to make me comfortable? I'm not getting a VIP to sit and watch a dancer shake with fright.
    Make it clear that dancer=woman and vice versa, as I've seen dancers play up the idea that guys are going to get more than they are. Sure it will make more money on the night, but just like many other businesses, dancers that I've talked to rely on guys like me, regular customers. Don't lie to me, don't rip me off, and if I wanted to play headgames I'd go to a nightclub and get them for free.

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    Hey! Great question Rochelle! I'd really like to hear some feedback on this one. Thanks Skippy for replying. I hope some more customers reply!

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    I may be different from the average guy, but I do not really like the big fancy clubs with 100 dancers. My favorite club is very small normally 7-10 girls during the week. The club itself is not fancy, but it is not a dump. The girls are all very friendly and most seem to get along well. I enjoy the fact that they will sit down and talk to you for a few songs before they ask for a dance(they know me and know I will buy dances)I hate it when the girls attack you as soon as you walk in the door and ask you for a dance before they even introduce themselves. For me friendliness and attitude of the girls is more import than looks. The staff is also very friendly and they have good beer specials and free admission before 7:00, I mainly go after work.

    One drawback; I have become a semi regular and one dancer feels she can bad mouth other dancers to me and I that is a big turn off.

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    Thanks guys!! I will definately take these responses to the club owners I know! So many times the reason why the girls are so pushy is because there are rules in place in the clubs that FORCE them to be! I have worked for clubs that don't allow the girls to sit with the customer for more than 5 minutes before she needs to be either doing a private dance or moving on to the next customer. I even knew a club that would fine the dancer up to $100 for sitting too long with one customer (even if it was totally dead).

    Most clubs have rules in place for the dancers to not be rude or overtly pushy to the customers and also not to talk bad about the other staff members to the customers either, but there are so many clubs and only so many women willing to dance nude or mostly nude, that most clubs are struggling to put bodies on a stage most days, so rule breaking is tolerated, and the dancer is fined (instead of fired) for her bad behavior.

    Any of you guys that agree or wish to add to this list I would love to hear more!! thank you so much, and I will definately take this to the dancers I work with and the owners of the clubs as well.

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    I will agree with Skippy & Guy 110%, and try to add more, with out repeating what they have said. I have a skewed view, as I’ve only been to the three local nude clubs I can get into, two of which are dives, and I was at the third while it was a “disco” and not a nude club, but I’ll try to offer a little insight with my observations.

    The staff you work with, mainly hostesses and bouncers, will set the tone for the customer’s evening before you, the dancer, can even get to them. They are most likely going to be the first people the customer encounters entering a club and the last people they speak with on the way out. It’s obvious how much of an impression the staff will have. It really bothers me when the hostess is constantly nagging me about drinks or dances. The opposite applies when I can get NO service, whether it be to get change, or buy another round of drinks. It also seems like these would also be the folks who could spot a fat money roll when the person paid the cover, or bought their drinks. I would think dancers would want to be on the staff’s good side, so they would tip you off on who has the money. The DJ is also going to be the pulse of any party, in a club or otherwise. Someone who can beat match would be nice, but some basic MC skills are a must. There is one local club with a DJ who has absolutely NO skill, and has actually been mocked, on air, by a local radio personality when he reviewed the club.

    When I head out to a club I’m looking for inspiration, poetry in motion. Nothing makes me feel like I’ve wasted my money more then someone who just turns their back to me and grinds in my lap. How boring! I could have as much fun humping my washing machine on spin cycle. Same thing with un-inspired stage shows. I’ll be in a club for a few hours, soaking up the vibe, and watch a dancer do four sets, the exact same dance, to the exact same songs. Once again, how boring!

    Also, when talking to customers, stay away from politics, religion, and any other heated subject that might lead to a debate. If you’re going to talk about music, sports, cars, school, or whatever, don’t insult the customer’s preference. I don’t care how much you think the Raiders suck. If I tell you, “The Raiders are my favorite,” It’s not wise to disagree, even something like “Whatever floats your boat,” can make a man want to give his money to the next girl.

    Hope this helps! I’ve been considering trying to get a fake ID so I can get into some real clubs and check them out, but I’m still having a hard time finding a place that’ll make one good enough to get me in the door.
    The dumb kid is back!

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    I am probably not your typical customer in that I am an exceptionally attractive man, I take very good care of myself and I like to come to the dance clubs to relax and unwind.
    I am married to a beautiful and special woman and I am not going to change that as she is my best friend.
    I am not looking for a fantasy evening or to be ground into the upholstery or to see just how many sets of breasts can be shoved into my face and even when you ask me to stop watching you dance and offer to meet me after work and slide me your phone number, remember what I have just said.

    I do understand the business side of the operation, in fact I understand at a much higher level than most dancers do as I own several companies and a group of restaurants myself and I know where a lot of the various policies and rules come from so I try to respect them from the get go.

    I place a great deal of value on the dancer’s time and I also enjoy the sight of a beautiful, confident woman. In my area the clubs are not great so I frequently make the trip into the city to the local Delilah's here in PA, although not as frequently as I had a bad relationship with a dancer there that I was seeing outside of the club. She became very upset and jealous when she found out that she was not the only dancer that I had been seeing.

    I will say that how often I return now is based on the quality of the dancers. Specifically I usually end up with one or two that I really enjoy. I am not looking for the hustle as it is not necessary and I will usually tip the first dancer that I select $500 along with $50 for the DJ tip-out so they stop worrying about the money and concentrate on me as I like to be the center of attention.

    From the time I drive up I recognize that each person at the club is there for money, this is how they earn their living, pay for college, or feed their children so starting with the door men I tip them all very well.
    The employees at the club learn very quickly and at any time that I respect them and that I value there time and effort. As a customer the only way that I can do this is with my wallet and I take care of them. They reciprocate the respect as I always have a parking space and a cold drink on my table.

    I like the nights when the dancers number in the smaller 30-50 range and I avoid the club at all costs during "busy" times as the behavior of a lot of the patrons is less then desirable in my opinion and I find myself leaving very quickly when it is packed and loud.

    Although I have a VIP card, there are times that I like to sit down at the floor level when it is not as crowded as I am able to make eye contact more often with the girls that dance the stage.

    I like the fact that dancers in general are not as phony with as much pretext as the women that approach me at bars and even out on the street, the dancers are obviously angling for money but then again so are most of the people that I meet (in one form or another) and I am ok with that so I have come to expect it.

    The biggest “turn off” for me is when the dancer approaches with an “I could care less attitude” or when they have a distinct disgust that they cannot hide for the customer. I treat all persons nicely and I will usually smile and offer to pay for the girl’s time to let her relax a little and have a drink with or without me and even then quite often some of the girls will foolishly take the $20-30 from what would have been a two dance set when most often if I like the girls I will take them to the champagne room and pay for the entire shift just so I can relax, they can relax and I can enjoy talking with them.

    Other problems that come into play happen when the other girls that I have not asked to sit with me see the level of cash that I lay down and they become very competitive and some of them become annoying to the point that I have had to ask one of the other girls to go and talk to them and tell them to leave me alone as I have chosen the girls that I am interested in and we are fine for now.

    What I mean is that although it is a dance club and is not a singles bar and I will admit that I have had more then a few relationships outside of the clubs and no I did not buy them BMW's or new furniture or whatever.

    For you guys that fantasize about dating one of these beautiful women my best advice is that you cannot buy them and you cannot tell them the biggest tale ever as they have already seen and heard it all. You need to first learn to treat a woman in the manner that will make her glow, each woman is unique and each approach will be different.

    I may be wrong but I still feel that I am only there to relax and enjoy the beautiful women, please leave the high pressure sales tactics for someone else, relax, impress me with your pose, your confidence, and your beautiful smile, tell me what you like and what is important to you, you are beautiful and elegant, please do not take the experience and make it a job, remember to smile and pay attention to what I have to say, make eye contact and please do not spray perfume on between each bathroom or changing room break.

    Most of all enjoy what you do and let me enjoy being your customer.

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    Oh yes; If only we were all so special.....

    Geez.
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    Exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like someone has a little bit of a superiority complex, don't you think?

    Also, when he says he's probably "not your typical customer," I'll have to agree for an entirely different reason. Most guys who come in as customers don't do it for the purpose of looking for an outside relationship, and those that do, I avoid like the plague.

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    First off, I would like to thank all the guys that have offered their opinion and ideas on this thread! Thank you for taking the time to come forth and let us know what *YOU*, as the customer, want and like.

    As for the responses to Q's post...

    I personally fin dhis post to be well-spoken, and fairly straightforward. So he stated that he has dated a few dancers... I have known many high-roller types, and many auto mechanics who have done the same thing. not a sin last time I checked.

    Aside from that, I have a feeling that I may be one of the only people picking up on the play of pop-culture references.

    Q - If the pop culture reference is intentional, then I thank you for a good giggle today!

    As a female customer as well as a dancer, I personally want to see more girls who actually try to do something on stage instead of just prancing and bouncing, and I want to see less bored-nose-in-the-air-don't-have-the-time-of-day attitude. I might tip those girls a single dollar the whoel time I'm in as a patron. The girls who are warm and friendly and at least attempt to make me feel at home are the ones who get my whole wad of cash.

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    The following is a reply to "a bad night" thread on this forum, but I thought it was also appropriate to this thread, so here it is:

    **Good guys are out there......... but I have finally narrowed it down to why there are very few nice guys left.Most might not agree with me on this, but I put the blame on the dancers.....NOT ALL but some and I will tell you why.
    I used to be a nice guy.I would always get "you're a dancers dream customer".Why? because I wouldn't touch them unless they initiated it, I would pay the average hustler more than I should have, and most importantly I would treat the dancer with respect.All this made it worse and worse for me.I would get hustled non stop by dancers,I got treated like s*%t most of the time, lied to and in the end get the worst dances imaginable.So this kept on happening and I couldn't figure out why.Then I finally changed. I got such a bad taste in my mouth from some of these dancers and their ethics, I decided that you can not be a nice guy in these environments.These girls proved to me that even though I am a nice guy looking to spend money and enjoy what these fine establishments have to offer, I would still get terrible dances and treated like s*%t.
    In conclusion, it is these type of the dancers that have ruined it for rest. Most guys are treating these girls with the same respect they get......which is little or none at all. In addition if the customers show no confidence in dealing with the dancers they'll get raped by the dancers think it's the customers first barbecue , so "let's milk him!".I would love to write a "Customers Guidlines To Getting Good Dances" but if I was a dancer I would probably strive on the new and gullable customer.
    For me, however I unfortunately had no choice but to change my attitude concerning these matters. I do not know if it was for the better or worse but sometimes I miss those ignorant days of being seated right beside the doorman in the VIP getting s*%t dances by a hustler named "Star" while watching the more interesting dance from the girl across from us.Don't get me wrong, I still go to the VIP's but I've learned a lot since then and unfortunately it was the hard way.At present I finally met one dancer out of God knows how many that is sincere and overall cool to hang out with.We had a great time together inside and outside the club she works at. It's too bad I purposely will never call her back because I, (as well as the many others that agree with me), know better than that. In the end life goes on & on & on. **

    I will post this and other reply's from this thread to my site and email various different club owners around the country about what their customers think. I would be willing to bet that very few clubs do any actual "Market Research".

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    Summer and I just tidied up this topic. It's now on-topic. Though it did provide us many laughs.

    Q - Just a note, this is not Tre's board (his is http://private.stripperweb.com), though he does moderate the "music reviews" section here and provides valuable input all around.

    Alanna - I must agree, I personally have ran into too many tards playing "king" on the net.
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    So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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    Pryce,
    I am glad it was entertaining , can you repost some of the clubs that were named here in PA in some of the threads that were deleted?
    Or IM them to me?

    I believe that Alanna posted several?

    Thanks,
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    Q, i just sent you the info on PA nude clubs to your private message bin since it's off topic.

    in case you weren't aware, once you register for this site, you can send private messages to other site members so you don't have to give out your email or IM info publicly. up near the top of the page it'll say "Hey, Q, you have ___ messages" it tells you the number of messages you have and you just click on that to read them. it took me weeks before i noticed there was a private message feature here and where the messages were hiding.

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    Many clubs seem to be interested in the number of dancers and not the quality. This leads to a lot of flabby and bad looking women in the club because the manager feels the pressure to produce a fixed number per shift. I really dislike shot girls and people selling flowers. I go to a club to get away from pressure and shot girls are really annoying, especially when you politely say "no thank you," and she wants to start an argument. Customers in some clubs know that as soon as a dancer sits down to talk, the shot girl will be there trying to get you to buy three shots, one for the customer, one for the dancer and one for the shot girl. At $5.00 a shot for phony liquor that costs about $0.37 each.
    I have stopped going to clubs that push shots, flowers and trinkets.

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    from a dancer's point of view, I have to agree with you. Having too many dancers, and too many non-dancer hustlers (shooter and flower girls) makes it difficult for anyone to make money. It benefits ONLY the club owner, because they are making more in stage fees and girls have to be extremely aggressive to get an edge, due to all the competition. :-/
    Club owners seem to be going more for quantity over quality when it comes to dancers.
    Maybe you could send an email to the club you quit going to telling them what you think, and encourage your friends to do the same.....
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    "Maybe you could send an email to the club you quit going to telling them what you think, and encourage your friends to do the same....."

    Maybe if ALL the people bitching would send a letter, email etc, things might just change. I'm so tired of the "it's never going to happen" additude while everyone bitches and moans!

    Dancers performances have gone downhill because most of the customers seem to only want extras and also the club owners have allowed it to happen.

    Please can we have some more feedback from customers?

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    Just a Girl, it is a good idea but I had the chance to invite the manager of my favorite haunt to dinner when we were at the club over the weekend.
    He came in to my restaurant last night after eating he came over to the bar with his date and I spoke with him and asked him why the changes were occurring and told him how myself and my friends viewed them. (See my post under bad night).

    He told me a great many management horror stories of late going into great detail how many of the "old" staff were fired for their involvement with drugs and an outside website/dance thing as they must agree not to do any of that work to dance at his club, that they have a nearly constant call out problem and that he is forced to over book and over staff the shifts as he can never guarantee just who will and will not show up.
    He also explained that they have had many of the more skilled dancers quit and not return any phone calls.

    Don't kill the messenger as I have absolutely no idea as to the validity of anything he said, but he seemed quite sincere and quite frustrated by the high turnover and the ever increasing need for more and more rules. He also told me that they have been much more vigilant in watching the surveillance video during the shifts as several girls were taking the contact well beyond the house rules and they had to be let go.
    His biggest complaint was that the new girls come with a lot of attitude and start making demands as to when they should work and what shifts they are willing to work. That few of the new girls come in willing to work through the day shift probationary period and that many of the dancers never even come back.

    Again, I have absolutely no idea here but this is a nicer upscale club here in Philly and it seems to have as many problems as the other clubs that I hear discussed if not more.
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    Hmmm. Interesting. Nice to hear a little dirt on my own club.

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    His biggest complaint was that the new girls come with a lot of attitude and start making demands as to when they should work and what shifts they are willing to work. That few of the new girls come in willing to work through the day shift probationary period and that many of the dancers never even come back.


    I have actually always been one of those girls. I started dancing when I was in school and day shifts were not a hugely viable option for me. My attitude was very much "This is when I'm available, I am available NO OTHER TIMES and you can take it or leave it". I can see how it would be inconvenient to managers (I had a running joke with one of the managers who used to suddenly and with no warning call some of the girls at home and ask them to come in to work that the reason we had schedules was because when I wasn't on the schedule I was doin' other stuff. He said it would be much more convenient for him if I would structure my life around the club. I can see when it's written down it doesn't seem funny. It was all in the delivery). Point is: dancers have schedules too. Sometimes they want to be home during the day with their kids, sometimes they are in school, sometimes they have day jobs. It's not all snootiness and unwillingness to be a team player.

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    The clubs where I live are OK I suppose, although I'd like to offer some suggestions for improvements:

    1. Lower the lap dance price from $20 to $15, and perhaps even $10 on slow days/day shifts. Perhaps offer discounts for multiple dances. Sure the girls will have to work harder for their money. But if dances are affordable, at least they'll be making some.

    2. Lighten the place up, literally. Why do some clubs have to be so DARK? A few blacklights can make a difference.

    3. Tone down the music a little. If someone is trying to tell me something, I expect to hear them. I'm also sure your employees would like to have their hearing when they're older.

    4. I can't mention this enough. Keep the bathrooms clean!! UGGH!!

    5. Owners, treat your employees (all of them, not just the dancers) the way that you would like to be treated. Sounds tacky, but relaxed employees mean good service for your customers, and good refferals from those customers. Consequently, you'll probably have more business. And the best part is, politeness is free.
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    All other things being equal, to me the two most important features are plenty of girls and one song per stage. The customers don't have to spend all night sizing up the performers, and when a customer does find a performer he likes, this arrangement allows plenty of time for chatting as well as lap dances, so everybody wins. I realize this can be easier said than done, but I've seen it done, and I think it works great.

    The girls also need to follow a couple of simple guidelines. If a guy tips you when you're on stage, make sure and remember him and where he is sitting when you get off stage, and get right on over to visit with him. It amazes me how many girls do just the opposite. And when you're circulating, get out there and circulate. We know why we're there and why you're there. Come say hello to us, chat with us for a few minutes, and then tell us how much you'd like to dance for us, or for the song that is currently playing. If you get a 'no, thank you', be polite and move on to another table.


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    That is very interesting, thank you! I think coming from an alleged "independant contractor" point of view a club starting out with such a demand as the day shift rule is too much. Whoa. I don't want a club being that controling right off the bat.
    It doesn't make a good first impression. I could not commit to that schedule so I might as not even go bother to check the club out.
    I absolutley have a problem with them imposing a "no-web work" rule to work there. I need the internet. I have other career goals that are more important to me so I could not commit to either of the rules.
    I honestly see how much power that club can have over a dancer. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a club having that much power over me and still treat me as an "independant contractor".
    Maybe if I were younger and the money was REALLY good.

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    Jag,
    I may not be quoting him properly on the web cam thing, I recall him saying something about it being a web-dance business and the girls are not allowed to dance for other businesses while dancing there.

    Interestingly enough my brother and I were talking yesterday about the holidays and he told me that his girlfriend literally walked onto the stage there with no hiring process, no interview, and no day shift period, and no agreement whatsoever.

    She had been dancing for 9 years at other clubs in Texas before meeting him and moving here and she is a high 9 on the scores scale but they let her work whenever she wants although he is insisting that she quit dancing period.
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