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    I've had the occasional guy pull the "I already paid you" bullshit. Sometimes they are lying but sometimes they are drunk and really think they already gave me a $20. Sometimes idiots buy a dance and then "OOPs I don't have any money." He'd better whip out the ATM card or credit card and fast, or I get real ugly, real quick. Managers and bouncers are really helpful, and have always gotten me my money, even if they had to come out of their own pocket.
    The worst case happened only once and I learned my lesson. A VIP member got $300 worth of dances from me, handed me all the cash left in his wallet (60 bucks) said he was going to the ATM. Then he just slipped out the door. Four years later and never again have I let a customer so much as take a piss without paying me first or leaving me his keys.

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    Gosh I shouldn't even say this-as I'll probably jinx myself... but so far, never *knocking on wood*.

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    As far as i know, no. Hope it never happens. Now other dancers in the past.....we'll save that one.
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    It's happened to me. Guys have skipped out on paying for dances. This is something I've wondered - if a guy prepays for dances, my feeling is that he will buy fewer. The feeling of having to pull out a $20 every time will remind him how much it's costing.

    So I consider it a gamble that usually pays off....not always, but the money I lose isn't anywhere near the money I gain.

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    I have gotten the, "I already paid you" line, too. But my favorite is, "You asked me if I wanted another dance, so I thought it was free."
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    Once in a blue monn it happens........Just can't let it ruin your night....
    We are never upset when we get tipped extra and taken care of by the good guys......
    Lucky I have only had a few times where I have had to deal the real shitheads...
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    How bout this Ladies? One night in Toronto I stopped by a club and got several dances from a very wonderful girl only to open my wallet and find that I was 40 dollars short,I had barely gotten out of the Toronto airport got to the hotel showered and had a quick bite to eat and in my haste to start having some fun I left most of my money in my hotel room lol.I knew thier was an atm across the street so she said no problem and gave me a kiss on the cheek.Soooo,I ran across the street and got some more money and came back and paid her the original 40 and bought more dances from her for a total of 300 dollars more! sometimes these things just work out....

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    So when do you tell a guy to pay for dances?
    What I usually do after three dances (unless I know he's trustworthy because he's a regular), I will ask if he wants another. If so, I will then say, "including this dance, it's $80...can we settle them up now?" That was I've only done three, max and also he's getting another dance after he pays, so he can get back into that frame of mind where he's more likely to buy another dance.

    And I'm so glad there's an ATM in my club! It's been a lifesaver!

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    So when do you tell a guy to pay for dances?
    I start to get nervous if he's bought a lot of dances and hasn't paid yet and some guys like to let them tally up and then pay at the end. I try not to offend them by pushing for money so I try to blame it on the club. Like, "The managers say we have to collect every 3 dances because they don't want have to settle disputes when a dancer says one amount and the customer counted differently." "It's just a club rule, tehe." That way I don't look like a money grubber, or like I don't trust them. If it's a regular I can be more lenient, but for new guys it's better safe that sorry.

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    I always always keep track of the money I have spent and the money I have on hand, if for nothing else to ensure I don't spend funds I don't have. I have on occasion lost money at a club, but I have always discovered that before it got me into any trouble. If for some reason I didn't have the money when paying for a dance, I would hand over to the dancer something I wouldn't want to be without, like my drivers licence, to hold in good faith while I hit the ATM machine. Keeping good faith is paramount in any endeavor of my life, but more so at a SC, because of the real threat some guys are at ripping dancers off.

    I actually witnessed one time a guy walk up to the ATM machine at a club (which was located by the door), stand a few seconds in front of it, then bolt at the door. 3 nanoseconds later two bouncers and the DJ tore after him, and caught him in the parking lot. Turns out he didn't have any money on him after a dance, and told the dancer he would hit the ATM machine. He had every intention of not paying. To me, that's the same as a guy ringing up a 50 dollar tab at my bar and sneaking out without paying when I am doing something else. Not only do I lose that tip, I frequently have to eat that tab. Nothing raises my ire more then that sort of thing, no matter where it is and who it happens to.

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    I prefer paying afterwards...usually after like 3 dances or so. Thats a good idea what Mariah said, blame it on the club. With one girl that i use to get LDs from, we would go 10 in a row and then i would pay..and she would never have to say "dwanna 'nother one?"..i would just say when to stop..

    The strangest thing though is sometimes a dancer will leave without me paying for the rest of the dances.. and then i'm left thinking "is she coming back?", "did she forget", "i gotta go in 5 minutes..where is she?" then i usually have to say "here's the money from the last dances"....

    i've always wondered whats up with that...anyone have any insights? THe only thing i can think of is the dancer thought my tips from the last dances i paid for were for my next dances..( if that makes sense)..

    i guess i'm the one getting ripped off....heh

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    I have seen it happen time after time, mostly the women getting ripped.

    Even with my increased cynicism from 3 & 1/2 years in the business, it is incomprehensible to me...

    How can a guy like that wake up the next morning, look himself in the mirror, and call himself a man?

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    We sell Lapdance ticket's, they are so kewl looking that out of town customer's have actually bought some and kept one as a souvenir, hell at $15 a pop feel free I got like a thousand of them locked up in the cabinet . It's really hard to get screwed with them though and for repeat's they gotta pay up front and the girl's set's it on top for the LD booth rail so my attentant can come along from behind and exchange a 20 fer a ticket and a fiver.

    I did have a girl's who once had her top or t-back ( can't remember which ) stolen off the stage, in her hast she tossed them and they landed against the tip rail. A guy swiped it and hid it in his shirt. She was distraught
    , it was new and she really liked it. leaving me in a touchy situation, since we didn't know for sure who did it. I had her go to the table they where later sitting at and pour it on, all griping about how bad a night she was having and after she thought it couldn't get any worse someone snatched her clothin off the stage and practically started crying. Well his buddy's where all like c'mon Mike give the girl back her stuff, and wa la situation under control without an incident. Oh and as for the way she did it, not the norm but she was positive that it was one of the guy's at the table. Hey and they still come back in from time to time

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    It's sad, but there are cons everywhere! There are only 2 times where I was intentionally ripped off. The first time I was doing a dance for a guy (who I had danced for before) and he was trying to get really nasty with me. I put up with his shit, until he tried to take my g-string down. I stood up, and said, "That's it, I'm done!" He said, "But you didn't finish the song." At that exact moment, the song ended. I told him that I would have finished if he didn't try to undress me! He just kept repeating that I didn't finish the song (what, the last 10 seconds!) I told him that I wasn't going to stay there and argue all night, was he going to pay me? He said, "What if I don't." I just stood there in disbeleif for a few minutes (this was the first time anything like this had happened to me), then I left. I was really upset, I didn't even think to go to the manager or bouncer to get my money. This was also I guy who had repeatedly asked me out, so I think me turning him down had something to do with it. He came in the club once after that, but I made sure everyone in the club knew what he had done to me. I even went as far as to follow him into the table dance room to tell the dancer that he was about to get a dance from that she better get her money up front, because he may try to rip her off, if she wasn't nasty enough!
    The other time it happened, a guy asked about the price of dances, he "thought" they were $10. He had been there before, and I had danced for him before, he knew they were $20! Well, he got two dances and paid me $40. He wanted more dances, but he was getting really nasty with me (I see a trend!), so I told him that I needed a break. I kept putting him off, but eventually gave in. He got two more dances and was just as nasty as he was during the first two. At one point he got up off the couch, bent me over it, and simulated having sex from behind! This guy was just too over the top for me! When he paid me, he gave me a wad of money (all ones). I went into the dressing room to count it, and there was only $20 there. If a guy is a gentleman and I enjoy dancing for him, I will on occasion do a freebie or give a discount (usually if he asks me to do 3 for $50 or if he spends $100, I'll throw in an extra one for free), but DAMN IT, if you're going to try to be nasty with me and I've got to deal with your shit for the whole song, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE FULL $20! So I come out of the dressing room and see him sitting near the door. I start walking towards him as I'm counting the money again. When I look up, he's gone! By the time I got there, he had disappeared! I saw him in there about a month after that, and he tried to talk to me. I told him I was pissed off at him for stiffing me. He apologized and acted like he didn't remember that night. He tried to give me a $10 (he owed me $20), but I just looked at him like he was retarded (because he was!) If someone gives me the sting, they're going to feel it too. I'm going to do my best to embarrass them, or make them look like an ass in front of their friends. Call it foolish pride, but that is so much better to me than taking their money! This also goes for the assholes who come to the stage with dollar in hand, and you dance for them, then they say "Show me your pussy", or make some other type of request. These idiots, are totally ignored for the rest of the set, even if they are waving their dollars frantically, I tell them that I don't need a dollar THAT bad!

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    Nope, never. But I usually get my money up front and if I don't know about a guy I'll keep getting money from them every song. I just tell them it's a club rule.

    I did have a little hispanic guy try not to pay me once. It was a club I wasn't familiar with and they were doing a two for thirty thing and by the time we hit the couch the song was starting. Then after the two he didn't want to pay me, pretended he couldn't speak english (aha! but i can speak spanish!) i grabbed him by the back of the neck and dragged his drunk ass over to the bouncer who extracted it from him one dollar bill at a time.

    The club that I'm at now has a system that I like. When you go back to the ld area, the guy has to pay the cashier (who also functions as a bouncer). That way they don't try to bargain with me. They also know that mister cashier is up there counting dances. On the rare occasion that I have had a dispute, the cashier will look at the cd player and say, "yeah, that was five... see, your first song was number two and now it's on seven." It works.

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    Man, you ladies are tough!!! I feel so fortunate.

    I've been going to the same club for a couple of years. I prefer a regular girl. I've pretty much given all my business to one person over the last 7 months. She always just runs a tab. My other regulars did too. Last trip, the money went fast. She went on break without even collecting the $500 I owed her. There was no need for her to worry. We have a nice arrangement going. I wasn't about to leave. When she came back, she spent the rest of the shift with me (it was 4/15) even though she knew I was out of money and only got 3 additional dances.

    My tab has gone over 1 large. And I can tell you if she was asking for money every $100, she would probably never make more than $300.
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    It's different if you *know* the customer is good for it. You have to go on your gut reaction and if a guy likes a girl enough to buy $500 worth of dances from her, he'll like her if he has to pull out his wallet 5 times or 1 time.

    I've seen girls get beat out of lots of money in the champagne court. The guy will act like he thought he was doing one, but he was really getting several and there's no recourse because he didn't sign a receipt every single time. So now that's what I do...make the guy sign a receipt every single time unless I know he's good for it. it can be a buzzkill, but it's a hell of a lot better than the sad reality that happens all the time.

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    Sorry, to hear you were ripped off Leigh Landon & everyone else. I must say way back when I first started it happens. Not anymore, when I go out east to work ( from Winnipeg no tables here).

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    I just tripped when I read Mariah's initial post about not letting the guy go pee without paying or without holding his car keys:

    Well, one nite a guy told a girl she was going to the bathroom. After about 20 minutes, she thought something was up, but she gave the bouncer the key told him to hit the lot and see if a car lit up when he hit the button well it did. So, she figured he hadn't left. Wrong, he was indeed gone, but had given her the keys to someone else's car and she didn't figure it out until an hour later. Some guys starts bitching about someone stealing his keys and goes outside and sits on it, and a few minutes later all is found out. Holding on to those keys is not as reassuring as you think it may be because people in this business are slick as hell.
    I usually ask for payment up front from a new guy or someone who looks shady (ie: says really $40, well what do I get for that) or will just ask a customer to put the money in their shirt pocket or whatever if they have communicated interest in one dance to start. If they want more then fine, but the money for the initial dance is in my reach.
    Last weekend though I had a guy pay me for two dances and tell me he would find me when he was ready, but he wanted me to know he was interested, but did not want to waste my time before he was ready for his dances. It took him two hours to get his dances, but I wasn't complaining. It made my job hella easier and he tipped me from stage to satellite and back two times, tipping 10s at each stage. Why can't all customers be so easy to get along with?
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    Some of us are. After reading through the forums on this board for a couple weeks, I can't believe what you ladies go through.

    If you stick with one club, I guess you get a reputation whether it is wanted or not. And you ladies either see what is happening or talk about customers in the locker room. The first 3 times I got dances, I kept it to 10 or fewer. Then the flood gates opened. :o It was a lot more Never once was I asked for cash except when we were finished. Even the first 3 times I wasn't asked. Maybe I have an honest face. Maybe I was lucky. I just couldn't get dances I didn't have money to pay for them.
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    You got carried away with dances, fishnet. I got carried away with champagne room's [devil] to the point that I'm on a self imposed exile from strip clubs for at least two months, even more . But to keep this post on topic, I repeat, I've never been ripped off in these circumstances. It was all worth it. It's just that I couldn't say no to lovely ladies who wanted me to feel good (and make money in the process) and I was perfectly concious of this. [peace]



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    Well, with me, I tell them my prices and deals, and ask how many they'd like to start out with. After we're finished, I'll as if they'd like to keep going. If so, I usually ask for the money at the end, unless the guy decides to give it to me instead. I've only gotten ripped off once, but hopefully never again. *knock on wood*

    I had one guy try it, and one of my regulars actually do it. At that time, I was charging 25 a song, and the guy wanted 2, but didn't want to give me all the money up front and kept saying he doesn't rip girls off and shit. He then said he'd give me 30 of the 50. Well, we finished the two songs and he said he didn't want the second one and that he wasn't going to pay for it!!! well, he had a 20 in his hand, so I just snatched it and ran. Yeah, I know it was technically wrong, but noone's gonna cheat me. Well, like I said, one of my regulars did. He came in and got 150 worth of dances and said he'd go to his car and go to the atm...since he'd done that before, i thought nothing of it, but he took off with 50 bucks he still owed me. But, I got back at him in a unique way. He knew I was a swinger and had told me he and his wife were too. Well, I was at a swinger's party when I noticed he'd shown up solo...Well, being on good terms with the host, I explained the situation and said that I wanted him nowhere near me. (Since I only danced for him, he'd told me he wanted to get with me at a party sometime.) So, he basically followed me around for a while until he got the hint. (He ended up only screwing an older lady who wanted to be gangbanged.) Revenge is SOOOO sweet.
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    Lena, I had the same thing happen to me.

    I was talking to this hispanic guy, in english. His was very choppy but he understood the concept. I told him that the 5 minutes were timed by a little light, and if he wanted another dance, it would be $20...each time.
    Anyway he ended up getting 4 dances. So I said, "WOuld you like another?" and he said, "I'm good now thanks"

    So he gets his money out and hands me $20. I say, "hehe you owe me another $60" and hes like, "um, I dont have anymore" (all choppy, but now hes REALLY chopping it, as if to make it seem like he didnt understand my instructions" So I say, "No i told you, its $20 for each 5 minutue song" and hes all, "I no understand" So I said, "You speak spanish????" and he said Yes. So I said it in my perfect spanish (lol) that he needs top pay me or I had to get the managers.And I did. EVentually I got paid $70 (His friends had to lend him money) and I still got ripped $10. ANNOYING SHIT lol
    I love when they try to play you for a fool and you make them sound even more stupid.

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    I got ripped off several times my first year dancing. I just kept telling myself it was an isolated event but then I realized that a percentage of customers try that crap all the time, some sort of twisted power trip is my take on it. So I just started to ask for my money up front and that way I weeded out the non paying ones. Sure I may have missed out on a few dances from the oversensitive guys but I'm sure I ended up with more paid for dances in the longrun.

    I discussed this on SCJ and got told by Money that he wouldn't even get a dance with someone elses cash if he was asked to pay up front for a dance Whatever.

    There was also several customers on SCJ who thought that a dancer should just trust customers to come back to the club at a later date to pay for dances if they ran out of cash and still wanted more dances.
    Yes that's right -they expected dancers to just trust that they come back and pay, but it's apparently out of the question for them to trust that we will give them a good dance if they pre pay.

    Major double standard.


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    Rayanna,
    I think that the attitude that some of the guys have over payment is based on the norms at the clubs they have frequented. For instance, in Texas, most girls ask for payment in the end, and that's what the guys are used to.
    In some clubs, they will have a cashier, or "token" or funny money that they guys must by upfront for a dance, so guys get used to this system too....

    And yes, I've been ripped off a few times over the years:
    1. "But its $10 a dance!" Yeah buddy...that was until 8pm and its 9:30...

    2. "I thought I paid for your time when I bought champagne!" - How many more times did I have to tell you that champagne is the fee to the house and the dancer gets nada from it!

    3. "I didn't know how the $20 per song thing works, you didn't tell me the system." -I can say that I've been unclear about this in the past and have opened myself up to get screwed by assuming these idiots are smart enough to figure out that hot chiq in a strip club= gets paid to be there.....

    Now, I have a spiel for those that I am not sure of, which I announce once he has said yes to the dance, but before I disrobe:
    "So, have you been to gentlemen's club in ______ before? First time in ________? Are you familiar with how we operate darling? Usually...they mutter, YES YES $20 per dance, I know...BAM!!!

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