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    Quote Originally Posted by LapOfLuxury link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg64305#msg64305 date=1074477940
    Only a complete idiot would actually buy this explanation.
    Which is a total shame, because it happens to be the bald truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg49368#msg49368 date=1066608361
    I know girls who've gotten seperate cell phone for this reason alone
    I know girls like this also. You could tell them that you keep your relationships strictly business and that they can call the club if they want to see you again at work. OR just give them a phoney number. I have an old cell number that I that I cannot call from but has an answering machine. It just comes across that my phone is off but the good thing is that I can listen to any messages if I feel I need cheerin' up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg64778#msg64778 date=1074588295
    Pan-Dah~
    I was instructed on the legalities of the local adult entertainer codes by an attorney whom I keep on retainer. If you care to doubt his veracity, then feel free.
    Well, I'm not sure whether I'm doubting his veracity, your interpretation or something else where we're coming in with different assumptions, but yes -

    I strongly doubt a conviction for prostitution based only on a conversation in which no discussion of sex or lewdness occurred could be sustained under the laws of Florida, Maine or New York. There may be some local law prohibiting such a conversation (exchange of contact info), but again absent true solicitation of a real crime that should be a violation of the First Amendment.

    This is not to say you should ignore your lawyer's advice and start meeting your customers outside the club. Even without all the other reasons this is a bad idea, as someone (probably Melonie) has said in another thread, they can arrest you for anything, and fighting the charges is probably too costly and stressful to make the rule violation worthwhile.

    I did learn one interesting thing checking this topic out though - by Florida law (but not NY or ME), testimony on a defendant's reputation can be admitted as evidence in a prostitution trial. Hello!?!? Has anyone in Tallahassee ever heard of hearsay? Do you guys have any chapters of the ACLU down there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg65278#msg65278 date=1074745434
    I strongly doubt a conviction for prostitution based only on a conversation in which no discussion of sex or lewdness occurred could be sustained under the laws of Florida, Maine or New York.
    There's no way it could. People are allowed to exchange contact info under the First Amendment. Prostitution, or soliciting prostitution, always must include an offer to exchange sexual contact for money -- not a phone number for a smile.

    There could be some other reason why you can't give out your number while in the club. Maybe it violates some kind of local ordinance and the club could lose its license or something. But it can't lead to a conviction under the anti-prostitution statute.

    Here's the Florida statute prohibiting prostitution:

    Fla. Stat. § 796.07
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    And I quote...

    b) "Lewdness" means any indecent or obscene act.

    c) "Assignation" means the making of any appointment or engagement for prostitution or lewdness, or any act in furtherance of such appointment or engagement.

    d) To direct, take, or transport, or to offer or agree to direct, take, or transport, any person to any place, structure, or building, or to any other person, with knowledge or reasonable cause to believe that the purpose of such directing, taking, or transporting is prostitution, lewdness, or assignation.

    "Directing" in this case, is defined as a phone number or contact information, among other things.

    3) In the trial of a person charged with a violation of this section, testimony concerning the reputation of any place, structure, building, or conveyance involved in the charge, testimony concerning the reputation of any person residing in, operating, or frequenting such place, structure, building, or conveyance, and testimony concerning the reputation of the defendant is admissible in evidence in support of the charge.


    In other words, Joe Law says that a stripper got a phone number from a customer while at work in a strip club. Throw in "reasonable cause to believe" and then tell me what the jury of housewives and southern church members will rule. At best said stripper will get off easy with a charge of soliciting or aidingt/abetting, as per the legal definition of lewdness.

    Whether the law is ethically right or a violation of civil liberties is not what I argue. Merely that this is, in fact, the law and insinuating that myself and my attorney are either misinformed or lying will not change it.

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    Lilith:

    I say, in my most reluctant tone of voice, "That would be lovely, but it's just impossible. The police consider it solicitation, I could be arrested for prostitution, so the club has a very strict policy about accepting or giving out phone numbers. As much as I might like you to call, I can't risk my job over a fellow, no matter how charming or attractive."

    Give him a winsome, apologetic face and squeeze his knee very gently. He'll be convinced that you are smitten, but that the Big Bad Manager won't let you call him or accept his calls. It works every time.

    LapOfLuxury:

    Only a complete idiot would actually buy this explanation.


    Lilith:

    Which is a total shame, because it happens to be the bald truth.

    LapOfLuxury:

    I remain skeptical that you could be prosecuted for merely giving out your phone number with no discussion of sex for money. It would seem to violate your constitutional right to free association. Sure you would be vulnerable to an undercover police officer who would be willing to lie about what was said. But when you give a lapdance, you are also vulnerable to the situation that your customer might be an undercover police officer willing to lie about what transpired during the dance.

    The fact is, if you REALLY wanted to have phone contact with a customer, you'd find a way to make it happen. Your customers know this. And saying stuff like "That would be lovely" and "As much as I might like you to call" and "no matter how charming or attractive" isn't going to fool any but the most foolhardy customers. A guy knows when he's being shot down. He's not going to conclude from your statements that you are "smitten," as you say.

    There are such things as little white lies. And they can be good things in polite society, even in strip clubs. But false compliments can be counterproductive when they are obviously insincere (contradict your actions) and poured on too thickly. This is especially true when the recipient of the compliments knows the purpose is to separate him from his money.

    How do you feel when a salesperson comes at you with obviously disingenuous and overdone compliments? Does it give you a better impression of the salesperson?

    I'm not trying to pick on you, Lilith. From the attitude you've expressed on this forum, I'm sure I would enjoy the opportunity to spend some money on you at a club. There's nothing unusual about your strategy. I've seen a lot of posts on SW in which dancers talk about the ways in which they BS customers. No doubt some of this BS works. And some of it is probably necessary. But just as dancers see through a lot of the customers' BS, I'm here to tell you that customers see through a lot of the dancers' BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg49373#msg49373 date=1066999800
    I say, in my most reluctant tone of voice, "That would be lovely, but it's just impossible. The police consider it solicitation, I could be arrested for prostitution, so the club has a very strict policy about accepting or giving out phone numbers. As much as I might like you to call, I can't risk my job over a fellow, no matter how charming or attractive."

    Give him a winsome, apologetic face and squeeze his knee very gently. He'll be convinced that you are smitten, but that the Big Bad Manager won't let you call him or accept his calls. It works every time.
    OK, I do disagree with LapofLuxury. I see no real lie in that recommendation. There's no doubt some LE would try to make a solicitation charge out of this, and the club undoubtedly does have rules against it. I don't question your sincerity, or the end result if you read the third paragraph of my last post.

    But I disagree with your interpretation of 796.07(2)(d). The person with "reasonable cause to believe..." there must be the alleged lawbreaker - not the person receiving the information or some eavesdropping LE. To sustain a conviction under that section of a dancer giving out her own phone number, it would need to be proved the dancer intended (or believed she intended?) to commit an act of real prostitution when contacted. Doubtful. (On the other hand, it would be fairly easy to convict a bartender under that section if he gave out your number, even if you yourself never did anything wrong).

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    i say YES you can call me my number is

    867 - 5309


    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg65456#msg65456 date=1074804032
    Whether the law is ethically right or a violation of civil liberties is not what I argue. Merely that this is, in fact, the law and insinuating that myself and my attorney are either misinformed or lying will not change it.
    I'm certainly not telling you to start handing out your phone number, but I agree with Pan Dah's reading of the statute. You'd have to have reason to believe you were offering to prostitute yourself (or do something lewd) in order to be convicted under the statute. Giving your phone number to a guy so he can ask you out to dinner wouldn't qualify. If that were illegal, every woman in the state could be locked up.

    And Shan, that would work on really young guys or really old guys. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shan link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg65652#msg65652 date=1074836126
    i say YES you can call me my number is

    867 - 5309


    lol
    But your name's Shan, not Jenny. LOL






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    I just tell them. "I am really not comfortable giving out my phone number. I hope that you understand."

    And, leave it at that. I am not comfy giving out my phone number, so why lie about it? I think when you are completely honest about that, it shows and the customers recognize that. If a customer says, "Oh, come on...I'm not a psycho." I just respond with, "If I give you my phone number, then I would technically have to give my phone number to every non-psycho here. And, I am just not willing to do that. If you want to know when I will be working, I work these set days every week. You can also call the club to verify that I am working on a night you want to come in. Aside from that, I have my work life and my personal life...and I would rather prefer to keep it that way."

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    Isn't it sad that we have to be careful to not be mistaken for prostitutes. Guy's need to get a grip on reality. After reading some of these comments I will stick with e-mail and be honest when it comes to my interest in dating.
    I get annoyed easily when guys want parts of me that are not for sale-- (my life outside the club).
    I like the "Strictly business" approach. Whatever works for you girls, keeps you safe, and out of legal trouble.
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    I just say no I don't give out my number... no I don't say what my company of my day job is... no I don't give out my hometown... etc. etc.

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    I don't give out my number baby, but I'll take your card. "

    A gentleman would offer his and wouldn't ask for yours anyway. And a man with a lot to lose (and to give) is 9x out of 10 give you a # to reach him without asking you for anything.

    My other line when guys ask for my # is You are the 53rd person to ask me that tonight. I'm saving the prize for my 100th customer though.
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    If you ladies are gonna give out a fake number, and don't want to feel bad about giving out a number that may belong to someone, give them this: 212-479-7990

    It is the official New York rejection hotline...the guy calls, and there is a recording that answers and will reject them for you. I haven't ever really given it out, but would if there was a guy who couldn't take NO for an answer.

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    the official New York rejection hotline
    That is Awesome!!!

    I am sooooooooo gonna use this # next time...wow! To all the PL's out there:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theresa link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg75572#msg75572 date=1077229689
    If you ladies are gonna give out a fake number, and don't want to feel bad about giving out a number that may belong to someone, give them this: 212-479-7990

    It is the official New York rejection hotline...the guy calls, and there is a recording that answers and will reject them for you. I haven't ever really given it out, but would if there was a guy who couldn't take NO for an answer.
    LOL! That is so funny! It could backfire on you though. What if the customer you give that number to calls it, gets pissed off, and comes back to the club to harass you?






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    On LapofLuxury's comments:

    It's quite possible a club would have a rule about not giving out numbers. Our club has a rule about not meeting customers outside the club. And yes while some dancer's will break rules, there are some good bad girls like that won't. If my club said no phone #'s its for a reason and for my safety and their reputation. Any customer should respect a girl enough not to expect it.

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    Hey ladies,

    I went to the website of the number that I posted earlier, and found rejection numbers for all different parts of the country, not just New York City. Here is the link
    http://www.rejectionhotline.com/numbers.htm

    If you want to try this (at the strip club or regular club), you can find a number closer to where to live to make it more believable. hehehe

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    I am annoyed at this already as well. Last night some guy asked me for my number...didnt even buy a dance or anything. I should have known better, but even though I didnt give him my number I took his. Grrrr
    This is stopping from today on. I will just start telling them, either what Nina said, "Saving for the 100th customer" or just say, "im sorry I cant" and thats THAT. Freakin annoying all the damn time. BUY A DANCE damnit.
    I usually give my email, but thats even gonna stop, as they are getting corny already thinking they will score a date or something.
    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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    Im not sure if its national, but I use a free voicemail account. Theres no phone, but you just call the # get the mailbox. You have to listen to about a minute worth of advertising, but its worth it. I also use a free yahoo e-mail acct. Then I can call them back and tell them when I'm working, I dial *67, of course to block my real phone number.


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    Nikki,

    How do you get the free voicemail account? I would like to get one of those!






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    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy link=board=9;threadid=4112;start=msg75658#msg75658 date=1077241247
    On LapofLuxury's comments:

    It's quite possible a club would have a rule about not giving out numbers. Our club has a rule about not meeting customers outside the club. And yes while some dancer's will break rules, there are some good bad girls like that won't. If my club said no phone #'s its for a reason and for my safety and their reputation. Any customer should respect a girl enough not to expect it.
    I don't disagree with what you are saying. Except I will say that any dancer who TRULY wants to have phone contact with a customer will find away to do it -- rules or no rules.

    I don't ask dancers for phone numbers. But if I did ask a dancer for her phone number and she declined to give it to me, I would believe it was because she didn't want to. If she simply said it was because of the rules, that would be OK. I wouldn't believe her, but it would be OK.

    But if she said she would just LOVE to give her phone number to such a charming guy as me, but that she can't because of the rules, I would feel a bit patronized and insulted. I wouldn't consider it a cardinal sin or anything, but it would be a turn-off.

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    OHMIGAWD.. I get this all the time.. my response is easy… "I"ll give you my hubby’s phone number and you can ask him"… works every time… even girls who aren’t married use it or say "boyfriend".. why do men constantly think that they can get somewhere with a dancer???? Also Fly… try this one: Memorize your club’s phone number (chances are they haven’t called the club) and give that out when asked if they really bother you. I have also done that.


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    Lot's of girls give out the dressing room phone # which is truly annoying since it rings constantly and Bambi is never working that night-- either that or she's on the floor, and I'm not walking the football feild to find her. I wish girls would save the dressing room # for thier s.o.'s and children. That way if it rings we all have some incentive to answer it.

    I had a $5 monthly voicemail and I'd give that # out to guys. A lot of men are just extending thier fantasy, by seeing how far they can carry the phone flirtation relationship w/out actually cheating on thier s.o. --but I'm not making any $$ on the phone so it doesn't help me. I did build up quite a stable of regulars with that # and since I didn't have to deal with the ringing it never bothered me--I just never returned lame idiot's or non-spender's calls.

    It was soooo funny to hear a guy call me 5 times in a day hoping he could "reach me"!!! If I had one now I'd beef up the marketing power by changing the message weekly to "If you want to end our phone tag games come in and see me Fri, Sat, Sun 8-3"
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