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    Default Making deals for dances

    Ok as much as I love this idea, it is really frowned upon in Canada. I was signing in at the office and the manager was reaming out a chick that another chick ratted out for making table dance deals ie...3 for 50 bux...YOU CAN'T DO THAT IT REMOVES THE INTEGRITY OF THE DANCE PRICE AND UNFAIR TO OTHER DANCERS yada yada yada.........

    I guess what I am asking is how can one work these deals without the wrath of managemnt or other girls getting a fire lit under your ass for it?

    As well as customers saying oh well so and so gave me my first dance free, so I only paid 40 for 3 - so sometimes this wheelin and dealing can really bite you on the ass! (he could be lying - he might not be...)

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    Default Re: Making deals for dances

    I'd say make it more of a time issue - like x dollars for y time including dances. That way you can both relax and if someone squeals you just say you only made a deal for your time, not for the dances.

    Personally, I am against the whole discounted dance idea, because as the manager was telling that dancer, it degrades the whole idea of a dance price and makes it impossible for the club to enforce the rules if they wanted to and is basically unfair to do so in a club with a stated dance price (most clubs have one). Also, if you start offering discounted dances, the customers start expecting them, and before you know it, they want a discount on the discount! It's just like extras, if you don't give it they can't expect it.

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    I understand what Bridgette is saying but at the club where I work if a customer or dancer reveals what you are doing, charging for your time, not dances the argument would be then why are you not in the VIP charging him minimum $170 per half hour so both the club and you benefit. If they found out you were not looking out for the club you would be most likely fired. It would appear that you are not a TEAM player. We are not even allowed to negotiate the VIP fee so it is an even playing field for all dancers.

    If you are charging the guy on the floor for your time the club does not get their share.

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    Haggling for dances is very easy! As I have written before, the RIDICULOUSLY INFLATED "regular" price of dances in Houston is $20 in many clubs but I pay $10. I doubt most managers care - dancers have told me that there MANY guys haggle.

    I have even gotten dances for $5!

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    In a free-market economy, it happens in every profession and every market. The ways to stop it are 1) regulation and 2) everybody being so busy that they have no need to discount rates.

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    I was just asked this the other day when working a very slow night (Syracuse was playing-gotta love March Madness)... anyways, back to what I was saying....
    It was slow and a guy asked me to do a "2-4-1" type thing since it was so slow. When I declined, he asked why-since it was so slow I might as well make "something". My response was fairly simple, I asked him if he would mind being put on sale... for instance if his company's business was slow (as most are at this time) , if he'd be willing to get his paycheck cut in half for the same amount of hours, afterall,since he'd still be getting "something".

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    Default Re: Making deals for dances

    If a dancer is helping a customer be cheap I think cutting deals is a big no-no. I don't like a girl undercutting me by selling 2-4-1's and a girl who will do a normal dance for 1/4 price is just pathetic. Now if you offer 'deals' which are actually increasing how much he spends I say you are just being crafty and smart. Those are the girls who really know how to make that $$$! Like if you get a guy who plans on buying 1 dance then wants to chat before he buys the second dance--Tell him you'll do 3 for 50 if he gets them all in a row. Now you've got him to spend more than he had planned, and you've saved yourself from wasting time chatting. You're 50 bucks richer, he got a good deal, and you made 50 in 10 minutes instead of $40 in 20 minutes. As far as the other girls, it's none of their business. Think of it not as undercutting(bad) but upselling! Just don't go offering deals to every guy in the place, then they'll all expect it and girls won't appreciate that.

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    Tia_q wrote

    "My response was fairly simple, I asked him if he would mind being put on sale... for instance if his company's business was slow (as most are at this time) , if he'd be willing to get his paycheck cut in half for the same amount of hours, afterall,since he'd still be getting "something". "

    A better analogy would be:
    If the guy had the choice of being laid off or cutting back on his hours. In fact this often happens with workers working fewer hours and making less money when times are slow. It also happens when businesses have sales to drum up business. By not accepting his offer you have no money instead of whatever he was offering. Perhaps you feel the effort of dancing is not worth what he was offering. Fine. But your analogy s flawed.

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    Default Re: Making deals for dances

    I have always been one of the steadfast hang onto my price type dancer, but I cant even begin to tell you how business is or is getting, up here. We only have so many clubs(hell check out our population- ALL of Canada's population could fit in the state of California and then some)and only a handful get any business at all, some are in serious financial trouble, not paying staff dancers and features etc, even one of the BUSIEST clubs was laying off doormen. We dont have the population and or economy to run countless clubs and at high volume sales. So hit n miss, and mostly miss.
    I dont mind doing a 3 for 50, Not much of a drop for real (never 5$ thats pathetic but I digress)
    So dealing isnt too much of an issue. REASONABLE dealing that is.
    I like the time suggestion - thats a good call, thanks Brigette.
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    Default Re: Making deals for dances

    I must be odd, but Ive never haggled over a price for anything at a SC. I guess I see it like I see bartending - the prices are the prices. No one haggles over the price of a cocktail. Prices are set for a reason - one of which is to maintain consistancy. I dont argue with that.

    I've had dancers offer unsolicited deals with me though. They would ask for a lapdance, and I would ask how much (this being in a new club for me). They would quote the price, which if it is too steep or I dont have enough money, I would honestly say so. Sometimes they would say "well.. Ill give you a dance for this much...". I quite naturally would sometimes take advantage of the lower price most of the time (because then I can afford it if I had not had enough money before). However, not once during the whole thing did I ask for a lower price. It was offered.

    Heck, when I went to a club very recently, I was told a VIP dance was 235. That shocked me, because Ive never paid that amount there, because I was always told it was a lower price. Supposedly that is the price management set, but the dancers have taken it upon themselves to lower it. The dancer who told me the correct (at least management-wise) price was new and didnt know any better.

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    Now doing some private dances myself, i would probably will get bitched at if i did give "cheap" dances.
    I do more of an air dance, and table dance now..Not too fun for me, but it's different from the same old. And i am getting used to it.
    We do $30 Ld's, price can go up, but i bet price can not go down. We also do only a few minutes on a song. I have noticed 7 minutes seems to be good.
    I am still learning about the table/air dance aspect of stripping, but the price should be set, and stay that way period. That way a guy will not feel he is getting ripped off if the other guy is getting a $10 ld. If a guy "wants" to pay more for a longer song so be it, thats his decision he wants to give up more money. But if he wants a set of 3 songs i say they should be the price the club charges. There is a difference, with a break in between sets etc.

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    Default Re: Making deals for dances

    Tia_q wrote

    A better analogy would be:
    If the guy had the choice of being laid off or cutting back on his hours. In fact this often happens with workers working fewer hours and making less money when times are slow. It also happens when businesses have sales to drum up business. By not accepting his offer you have no money instead of whatever he was offering. Perhaps you feel the effort of dancing is not worth what he was offering. Fine. But your analogy s flawed.
    Ah, but I don't see how it's flawed. I wasn't laid off, and my hours were not cut. I am still working the same amount of hours (as in this case, I'd be spending the same amount of time doing a dance) however he wants to pay me less for that same amount of time. So that would be the equivalent of him working the same hours, doing the same job, but having his paycheck cut in half.

    Even during slow times, it's doubtful that say, a construction worker since this is the off season, would offer his services at 1/2 price.

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    It depends on the club. Let's face it, the bulk of club patrons are not throwing money at us hand over fist.

    If you work in a club where the club does not collect or get a portion of your dance money and a guy is down to his last dollars or a guy has bought x amount of dances and you can encourage him to buy more by giving him a deal on a few dances that makes good sense.

    You have to use your head. We are salespeople and have to know when it is the right time to negotiate. EVERY business becomes more flexible on pricing if times are slow or if it will stimulate more spending.

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    Mariah's comment hit the nail on the head!!!

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    Man I wish I could get deals here. I lot of the girls here at my favorite club are trying to get guys to pay more than the mangement set prices. The normal price is 20 clothed/40 topless/?nude with touching (this is SF after all) but they are now trying 20 clothed /40 clothed w/touching/and 60 topless. They seem to have no problem negotiating VIP dances but I only want laps, not $150-1500 10min quickies in a booth
    whats a PL to do?

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    Those girls are desperate and since the clubs there are geared to tourists are trying to find a sucker.

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    Cool shot, You should make the drive north to Oregon. Most clubs are $20 full nude dances, and you can find specials in many clubs (two for Tuesday etc.)

    There is not much contact here, but you do get a full nude dance in a full liquor bar, and many of the girls are very HOT!!

    I do make deals in my club here, but I keep it to myself. I let the customers know to keep it to themselves as well. The owner of the club doesn't much care if the dancers make deals, but the other dancers do care, a lot. But the way I see it, if I am doing $15 or $10 table dances (no contact mind you), I am making money, otherwise I may have not made anything at all. I am there to work.

    I personally feel that the dances are overpriced in this area of the world anyway. The economy here won't support the prices the dancers are charging.


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    Ok if a patron dropped three quarter's on the tip rail for you ..... you would probably (and rightfully so) be tempted to put a heal thought his forehead. You wouldn't dance for him though, regardless of how slow it was, it's a matter of self respect, pride.
    "Most", and I use that term loosely, club's offer a set price for dance's, taking into consideration what there competition is doing and hopefully what the girl get's from each one and of coarse there cut too.
    Here the norm is $15 lap's, girl get's 10 club get's 5. My competition decided to do a hour long special occasionally during the night where they offer a 2 fer $25 special. Only thing is they do 3 minute song's the whole hour and oh the cut is 15 for the girl and 10 for the club ... soooooo the customer get's screwed, the dancer get's screwed and the club cleans house ???

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    In my club, topless are $20 and nude are $40. Our DJ will run the 2-4-1 specials. sometimes I can talk a guy into buying a 2-4-1, but not an individual dance. Our dances run around 2 minutes in length, and 2-4-1's seem to run around 3 to 3.5 minutes. The customer feels like he's getting a deal, and I am making money. Soemtimes I am happy just to be giving a dance (making $$), so I could care less if I lapdance for 2 minutes or 3.
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    At my club, the dancer pay rent. The club doesn't take a cut from the dances. $20 is the recommended tip for a semi-nude dance. It's a juice bar.

    As a customer, I don't mind paying by the dance up to about $500. At that point, incentives or a time money arrangement should come into play.

    My current regular will give me x# bonus dances at 5 and every hundred up to a grand I get more. I like this because I can stop at any time or dig deeper if I so desire. She is flexible. Sometimes we will stop counting when it gets late and just say: $300 for the balance of the night. Then the count doesn't matter and I can enjoy the dances and her company without worrying whether my money will last. I'm not looking for bargain basement prices. I do want a discount when spending large sums. Too, there should be some benefit to using the same girl all the time.
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    Our DJ will run the 2-4-1 specials. sometimes I can talk a guy into buying a 2-4-1, but not an individual dance. Our dances run around 2 minutes in length, and 2-4-1's seem to run around 3 to 3.5 minutes. The customer feels like he's getting a deal, and I am making money. Soemtimes I am happy just to be giving a dance (making $$), so I could care less if I lapdance for 2 minutes or 3.
    I agree with most of you in that making deals with guys to get business usually ends up with them screwing you over by either telling another dancer that you gave them a 2-4-1 (which consequently gets you bitched out), or they're just seeing if they can get more dancing for less money. However, when it was really slow, I once gave a dance 2-4-1. That it will probably be the last time I do that, because the little pipsqueak college boy who told me he was down to his last $20, and it was his birthday, and blah blah blah... I didn't care, I just wanted the 20 bucks and wanted to go ahead and dance! Fast forward to one hour later when I see him getting more ld's from another dancer. Never again, ya'll. I learned my lesson.

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    Making deals makes money, but use have to be selective about who you give deals to. Joe Blow who pays the standard $40 for a dance should not get a 2-for-1 during regular time. However, a guy at my other club who used to come see me and buy $60 dances consecutively over six or seven visits got deals. Instead of 4 for $240 I would give him four for $220. He would still on average get about twelve to fifteen dances and tip me $20s onstage.
    Thats not hurting anyone else's money since he is there to see me. He spent the full amount six or seven times, so on the next visits cutting him a deal is a fair thing I feel. Also, some nites if I was busy when he walked in I would pay for the waittress to send him drinks and maybe some company until I was free. $20 or $30 to another girl to sit with him for a couple minutes and $5 a drink.
    On a regular nite though doing 2-for-1s does make it difficult for other girls as I have been a victim of girls doing 2-for-$20 dances in a $40 per dance club. I just hustle as best I can and keep making my money.
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    It all depends on the dancer and the customer. Discounts are loke tools, and you nhave to know how to use them. If I have walked the foor three times, noone new is in and none of the five tables are paying anyone, then I will cut a deal, but rarely never half price. I like Mariah's grouping of dances better. I usually will give 3 for 40 if it is slow like I wrote.

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    I'll do deals (ie. like Mariah said) if you buy 2.. i'll cut the second one by 5 bucks (2 for 45 instead of 2 for 50) as long as they do them in a ROW.. all at once.

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    Sometimes I have customers who want to spend time with me on the main floor, where they can also watch the stage and tip the girls. Since all our dances are done on the second floor, this means the guy won't be getting any dances, or maybe just one or two, but prefers to just hang out. These guys won't go for the VIP deal because they want to see the stage also, and they gladly offer a set fee for me to hang out with them, while they also buy drinks from the bar. I don't push these guys to go upstairs, and management has no problem as long as we're at least getting drinks. I don't think this makes me not a team player, especially since everyone can see the customer buying lots of drinks for us both and tipping other dancers and waitresses/bartenders.

    In this scenario, the guys usually wind up spending just as much (or more) on the bar as they would have spent on the club's share of the VIP fee, on top of his tips to others and me. I think as long as you work this situation properly, you can easily make deals with customers for time, include dances, and still make enough money for the club to keep everyone happy. Everyone knows that the clubs like to sell those VIPs, but you don't ALWAYS have to sell a VIP to make money all around.

    And as a side note, you don't have to drink alot of alcohol to sell alot of drinks. I often get soda or juice (with the customers' knowledge), or make trips to the bathroom and stage, 'forgetting' my drink along the way. Management knows I do my part to keep the money flowing on all sides, and they have no problem with me hanging out with guys outside of VIP for a fee.

    Oh yeah, I thought the concept of giving 'deals' to your big-spending regulars went without saying. Either in the form of extra free time spent, or a couple freebie dances, or something. The guys have to pay to the club for all dances, prior to starting (or paying the balance after a string of dances), so we can't really give free dances at my club, but we can give them extra free time and attention on the main floor before and after going for dances, which I always do for good regulars. This is completely different from making deals on the cheap so cheapskates can continue to be cheap. Catch my drift?

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