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    Default Desperation of the unexposed.

    Firstly, if you are taking the time to humor me, I feel that I must give some background. I am a recently turned 21 yr old that has arrived on the decision to dance. Due to school complications, complications from living at home, and simply not having sufficient income to support myself, I find my self excited at the opportunity dancing will unveil. I have rhythm; I am sexy; I am confident. But regardless I find myself on unfamiliar ground, testing waters.

    I was required upon to choose a "theme," of course, as this is the basis for which the rest of my performance is centered. I decided Austin Powers fit my personality, as well as my sexual appetite. I purchased a remarkable outfit: blue, crushed velvet; fluffy cravat; glasses and teeth. I have the look, but still I lack so much.

    Countless nights I have watched the male dancers at my future club for moves, for ideas. I leave every night with an absent feeling of success. I have learned more from the sincere female dancers that have agreed to let me dance for them.

    So .. I find myself here. Which, to my elation, is exactly where I feel I need to be, finding answers. Help?

    I could use any sincere input.

    Currently, I'm still piecing together my dancing CD because I was enlightened that I couldn't use a certain song. I still need help with my CD.

    1) I have a skit, first, arranged with Austin Power's theme's and such.
    2) Secondly, I had intended to put a record scratch coming out of the skit introducing the Thong Song - Sisqo, where I was going to begin taking off my clothes and finally rip off my pants (have had the velcro done). --Need a suggestion to replace the Thong Song--
    3) Lastly, I had wanted to finish with Guns and Roses - Paradise City.

    Any input on changes with my CD, I beg you to help.

    Lastly, I've been trying to deal with flashy moves. With a man dancing, women want to be impressed. I have learned that much at least from watching the men dancers. We have 2 seperate poles, spaced 1 foot apart, perhaps 1 and a half. Some of the guys will pick theirselves up and jump up over the lady onto her lap (women usually are brought up on stages). What elaborate move can I do to impress? Some of the guys will move the chair back the 2 feet or so to the wall mirror, stand on their hands and grind the woman upsidedown with Sarg in her face.

    I'm going to nip this before the size of my plea frightens simply reading.

    Help me, please, fellow dancers.


    -- Austin, Drew --

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    Default Re:Desperation of the unexposed.

    We have a male dancer who's been a member for quite a while, doesn't seem to post alot, but his handle is ChadW. Maybe you could look him up...

    I don't really have any input other than I can't imagine you need such an elaborate show just for starting out. I say practice your rhythm and sexy moves, and the tricks will come. If you MUST learn some tricks, see if it's possible for you to go to the club early and get on stage to practice. It's always better to practice on stage than at home.

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    Austin, you're just the guy I was looking forward to connect to. Basicly because you introduce the topic of male stripping.
    Basicly there are very few men that I consider good male strippers and that is because of the stereotypic ideal within the industry. That is, they hire people who more look the part than can actually do the part. The industry standard is young, buffed , big, and well endowed. It's like bouncers that are huge and muscular whos looks alone serve as a deterent. Skillwise they may not be able to handle themselves negotiating or even in a physical conflict.
    THat's my whole arguement about the male strip industry. They concentrate on want they think their audience is attracted to rather than one who excels at the art.
    You've noticed it too as you lack inspiration from any of your fellow male performers. That's because according to the industry your part is that of a take-it-or-leave-it, let's-get -down-to-business-now guy. Is there really any salesmanship involved? No, it's like you're on auction and as soon as the buyer bids you go off with them. As opposed to female strippers who slowly seduce you and slowly build up your desire for the package, you go straight to close the deal. With most male strippers that I've seen after they put on a few macho moves they almost immediately invariably go into the dry hump routine.
    That's why I don't like the industry icon of a male stripper. There is no skill to it. There is no seduction, there is no persuation, there's no personal involvement in it. Men think women lust like men do. While I agree that some do with most or them it is not on the same level as the mens'. Women need to be more pampered, more teased, more entertained, more romanced, than simply jumping in the sack with them.
    In that sense I think the male strip industry fails. At least I think it could greatly improve if it considered those aspects.
    As to different themes. I don't think it's a matter of theme as it is a matter of getting in touch with your sexuality that matters most. Don't try imitating you fellow employees. At least don't look to them for inspiration. Think about how you would like to romance a lady and make them all feel like a queen.

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    I agree with Dreamer here, i have seen my share of male dancers. They come to a club down the street from me twice a month. They interact with women differently, and quickly.

    I really don't have much to say, me not being a male dancer, except i love how they have class and the amount of interaction seems to be a real crowd pleaser! I myself have been pulled on stage, fun!

    They wear fantastic outfits, and strip to a g-string. The music is different in alot of cases too, i have noticed from female songs. Putting on the Ritz was fantastic for the right male dancer. As is alot of classier songs. We had Chippendales recently, and they do very upscale classy dances that turn sensual quickly with the music.

    Male dancers ROCK!!!

    Pamela

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    1) Lose the fake teeth. It was a cute gag in the movie, but you don't need the risk that the women will be turned off by them.

    Substitiutes for "Thong Song"... hrmmm... you're talking to a rock girl here, so I'll respond accordingly.

    AC/DC- "She's Got the Jack"
    ... okay, haven't had enough coffee yet, so I'll come up with more songs later. Can't for the life of me recall who performed "It's a Man's World".


    A word on turning women on:
    A male dancer cannot simply use the same moves and tricks of a female dancer and expect them to have the same effect. Women and men have very different sexual cues. Men are visual creatures. Quite some number of customers do the status symbol thing and go for the woman/women they see as having the most value or status. Women, on the other hand, are mentally oriented and go for men who can provide security and warmth. Obvious disclaimer that there are exceptions, but these are good basic guidelines. How does this affect you? Well, grinding your nutsack in her face may get a giggle out of her, but a more sure bet would be a slow, sensuous massage and a husky "And I do dishes..." whispered in her ear.

    Good luck, AustinP.
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    Thank you for feedback !

    Bridgette; thank you for the possible contact ! I've written his handle down. Also, regarding stage time, I was informed by the club manager that there simply wouldn't be any available time for me to "practice" during unopened hours. Which really sucks because the men's area was poorly designed; it is small, oddly shaped, and the poles bend!

    Dreamer; I'm disappointed ! You think so little of men that dance ! I concede that male dancers have to look the stereotype; young, buffed, big, and well endowed. We obviously gots to look seksi. But, I'm sorry, in my opinion the difficulty of a man dancing compared to that of a girl is exponentially higher. Tell me how I should seduce, how can I instill personal involvement with what time I'm given? Blow in her ear? Moan? I was told by one of the female dancers I've befriended that by simply blowing on pants slightly stretched apart you can immitate a rumbling, vibration.

    How do you accomplish making a woman feel pampered when dancing??

    Pamela; I agree male dancers rok. I have a question for you since you seem the playful type that likes to be on stage, involved. One of the guys at my club will take a volunteer from the crowd and while dancing in a chair has her pour hot wax over his chest. This is good, the woman always like. Can you think of any like activity that would turn on a crowd?

    Lilith; about the teeth .. I thought the exact same thing. But I have so many people telling me that I need to complete the ensemble. My only thought on it was this; I do look kinda rediculous in the entire AustinP getup and my routine basically revolves around my transition from hairy, 4-eyed, mangled teeth Austin to me, and my thong. And I do have a sexy smile. Still think loose it?

    "I even do the dishes!" GrEaT sUgEsTiOn ~

    * I need a dancable song women would love seeing a man dance to! It must set mood after a fairly corny skit. I intend to have a record scratch prior to this song to help set the mood into my sexy dancing. I'd like the lyrics to also fit with the occasion. Preferably upbeat Rap/Popular music. Help ! I spent countless hours looking and continue to find no inspiring track. *


    Can't thank enough.



    Austin

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    Welcome to stripperweb Drew !

    ps- Lillth is right - loose the teeth. BTW, you said you have a great grin, right? Is anyone doing a Top Gun theme? Might be a good one for later.

    Tom is a popular heart throb with a killer smile k:

    just a thought

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    Oh! GREAT idea! Austin, talk to some military men, I'm sure someone can finagle you a uniform. Heck, my boyfriend is in the Navy, he can purchase one for you and ship it to you. Get a nice "fade" (military haircut sported by Tommy), a pair of Ray-Bans and you've got yourself a show! Women LOVE a man in uniform.

    Right off the top of my head, music for a military skit:
    Village People, "In the Navy"
    Everly Brothers, "You've Lost that Loving Feeling"
    (Can't recall artist), "You Can Keep Your Hat On"
    Toybox, "The Sailor Song"
    (Can't recall artist), "Macho Man"
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    Hmmmm, how about "Back in the USSR'? The words would fit great for a guy dancer, and when you pull up a woman out of the crowd she can....say take the hat off and cheer, because you are there (back!) While jumping up and down clapping and screaming yea! Yea!

    It's kinda tough, Hot wax is HOT, kinda like the RIcky Martin vid. What about a top hat and cane thing, and the woma takes the cane and taps your butt?

    Wow! I will keep thinking. Is this going to be staged? The woman knows what to do? That makes it easy.

    Donna Summer: Hot Stuff
    REO Speedwagon: Can't fight this feeling anymore, (pull her up babe.)
    Don Henley: The Boys of Summer
    Elton John: Rocket man
    Huey Lewis & The news: I want a new drug
    David Bowie: Fame
    Madonna: La Isla Bonita
    Crazy Town: Butterfly
    ZZ top: Sharp Dressed Man.

    Pamela

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    Pamela, the "Fame" song I'm thinking of was done by Irene Cara. Is there another?
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    Austin, I do dance. What I'm saying is that most men in the stripping industry do not do much to enhance the art. It's more like a Mr. America contest than a show. In a contest You do little more than pose and get judged on your physique.
    How can you be seductive in the time you're allowed on stage? That's the whole point I'm getting at about the male strip industry. They're stuck on mens appeal as that of being straight to the point, close the deal and make the money!According to them you do not have time for customer repore or chit chat. You're a high pressure hustler. If they are not buying then moving on to the next perspective.
    That's what I think the business should allow for to improve the art. Some suggestions are to flirt more with the women. If I see a woman who has her arms crossed and is not enjoying the show I go up to her , place her arms around my shoulder and rub up against her. Others I will intentionally bump my hip against them. Others, draw their hands over my abs as I do an undulation or place them on my ass as I do a shake. Don't forget to look them straight in the eye or look coyly at them with a glint in your eye. In short, involve them as much as possible in the short time you have.
    Lilith, not seeking an arguement but I disagree that men cannot move in the same way a woman does to be sensuous.
    Women love a man that knows how to and can move his body. I've overheard women in line at a disco saying," One thing I've learned to avoid is a good male dancer. That means he's in touch with his sexuality."Apparently she was afraid of involvement and lucky for her , there weren't many around.
    But one thing I can say is if I move in sinuous, snaking , gyrating, sensuous , seductive motions---women eat it right up!
    Oh yes, I agree that men will have to do a lot more to make what your contempory would need to. No arguement there. Not only do you have to work to keep your physique but you are reviewed on a different attribute. Let's put it this way. I took a massage class with several young ladies. If I , even with the same skill, knowledge level as my contemporaries, went to work at a job in the profession as the women who went to work for massage parlors,who do you think would make more?
    Austin, I'd like to help you out as much as I can . Do you think if I made my own video that you might be able to understand what I'm trying to illustrate to you?

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    Lilith, not seeking an arguement but I disagree that men cannot move in the same way a woman does to be sensuous.
    I know what you meant, but when I read this, I had a mental picture of a big burly type doing a floor show - LOL!

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