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    at times I visit the site prayer.la and post prayer requests of my own or read those of others. On 12/28/03 there was posted this prayer request from
    "working girl."

    question 1: if we had to guess, was this written by a "working girl" in the sense
    Definition:
    [n] a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money

    or would we think she means something else by "working girl"?

    question 2: did this come from a member of the group


    currently the prayer request is found on page 10 of
    prayer.la

    but as more requests are added, it will move back to
    page 11, 12, etc, over time.

    *** the prayer request is as follows:

    Please agree in prayer in the name of Jesus that we will be protected in all areas. I also ask for help for my mother and more help having terrific hoidays now and in the future. I ask for God to guide my mother about an issue that we both (and others) need help with. I ask God to guide her to handle the situation now and in the future in the best ways possible to head off problems in the future. I ask for God to guide my business in all areas. I ask for God to help me change my life in the ways that he would have me too in the coming year(s). I ask him to help those I do or will "work with" to begin helping in all areas as
    soon as possible and that there be no problems that will arise so that I can make needed transitions in my life as easily and quickly as possible. I ask for
    help as previously requested in former prayers offered up. I ask God to help business allies to have their needs filled through me in all areas possible. I
    ask God to partner with me for a happy proserous
    business and to make sure that I always have the work I need and want to do and that it is always happy and extremely lucrative, as I have be informed that it
    can be. I ask for help for all in the ways that it is needed. I ask God to "reverse the curse" against the devil and its evil allies in all areas.

    Click here to tell working girl that you prayed

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    Zait, is this site for people who want others to pray for them or people who want them to pray for the things they've requested in prayer?
    Obviously this girl is seeking endorsement by God in whatever line of work she's in and also she sees some holy purpose in it.
    The most interesting part is her last lines."I ask God to 'reverse the curse' against the devil and it's evil allies in all areas". Is she asking God to forgive the devil? Perhaps she sees the devil as carrying out a part of the greater plan as well.

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    >Zait, is this site [prayer.la] for people who want others to pray >for them or people who want them to pray for the >things they've requested in prayer?

    as for the site prayer.la, a large part of the site is 160 pages of prayer requests that people have posted in the last 30 days. Except in very extreme cases, the prayer request board is not censored. After 30 days, the prayer requests are removed from the site, for lack of resources, I presume. Anyone who posts usually puts in their email address in a way that, if others pray for you or your request, you get an email stating that someone has prayed for you. (In my view, it is one of the nicest and best prayer request sites around. I like reading that someone is praying for me, if they are.)

    the site is chiefly for those who want others to pray for them, with them, in the way specified or in the area or need specified in the prayer request.

    > Obviously this girl is seeking endorsement by God in >whatever line of work she's in and also she sees >some holy purpose in it.

    no problem; that's OK with me! what is interesting to me is that it leaves me wondering if the request was written by an escort or call girl, or by someone who simply chose to use the name "working girl." Is the working girl a working girl? that is what puzzles me slightly. (by the way, I like puzzles.)

    "I ask God to help business allies to have their needs filled through me in all areas possible. I
    ask God . . . to make sure that . . . it is always happy and extremely lucrative, as I have be informed that it
    can be."

    LOL

    anyway, if the working girl is a "working girl," then I think it is really funny for others who are more ordinary Christians to be praying God help her!

    >The most interesting part is her last lines."I ask God >to 'reverse the curse' against the devil and it's evil >allies in all areas". Is she asking God to forgive the >devil? Perhaps she sees the devil as carrying out a >part of the greater plan as well.

    I don't think she was asking God to forgive the devil. Some people are in some Christian traditions in which it is common to pray that God reverse the curse, meaning, the curse imposed on man after the Fall from the garden of Eden. The Bible promises that God would reverse the curse and restore paradise, if I recall correctly. Others on the board, in praying for other things, pray that God would reverse the curse. In fact, some of you may have sung a Christmas hymn recently

    Joy to the World, 3rd verse:

    No more let sins and sorrows grow,
    Nor thorns infest the ground;
    He comes to make His blessings flow
    Far as the curse is found,
    Far as the curse is found,
    Far as, far as, the curse is found.

    the writer of the hymn, Isaac Waats, was asking that "God reverse the curse" in slightly different words.
    If "working girl" is praying that God reverse the curse, then, either she has been reading some of the other prayer requests, or she in fact attends or has attended churches that pray like this. "Working girl" seems to have had some theological training! To pray that God reverse the curse is to pray for health and prosperity, common requests at the site.

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    I relate to this very closely.
    My Grandmother once gave me a valuable piece of advice:
    Don't do bad things that look good, but don't do good things that look bad.

    Never followed that advice. Always had good intentions. Always misunderstood. And here is the curse, although it
    is worldly:things falling apart on you because of your choices. Manyu of the choices are part of the inevitability of this line of work. How can one be clean and full of virtue in the midts of the the scandal? Christian no less. I have the fortune of working with a girl from my church who is a year older but very new to this industry. We use prayer to give us strength through our shift. To give us a light in all that darkness.....
    The Texas Pin-up Stripteuse!

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    Juliette,

    I pray that God help you and guide you, both you and your friend from church.

    From your comments about the darkness in your work, do you mean that you don't like your work, or that,
    you like your work but some customers are in darkness
    and that is a burden to you?

    what kind of church do you attend, if I may ask?

    If you or others wish me to pray for you more specifically, let me know. Those who wish, post prayer requests here or at prayer.la or if you wish me in particular to pray, to [email protected]

    God bless you!


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    I don't really understand prayer, but I uderstand it helps people and reduces stress. I personally do not pray, but of course, have nothing against those who do. There is a girl at work who always asks me to pray for her and her situation and I just smile and nod because I don't have the heart to tell her I don't pray if it really means something to her. So I'll pass this one to you zaitzeff- If you really pray for people and don't mind taking requests. M is depressed and wanting to be rejoined with her 2 kids but needs to save money to do it. She is working working working to do this.

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    >I don't really understand prayer, but I uderstand it >helps people and reduces stress.

    I have a friend who is a massage practitioner and her practice includes erotic massage. Back in Jan 2000, we were talking and I offered to pray for her. She was happy for that and also requested prayer for her dog that had this ongoing rash. I prayed for her and her dog also. Later she told me that the next morning the rash was gone. We were both impressed. It seems that God healed her dog.

    Re understanding prayer, there is a God who created all things and all persons. Jesus taught people to think of God as Father, hopefully a father who treated you well. Jesus taught people to think of God as a Person who cared about you and was willing to take the time to listen to you and offer help.

    >There is a girl at work who always asks me to pray for >her and her situation and I just smile and nod >because I don't have the heart to tell her I don't pray >if it really means something to her.

    You can ler her know I am praying for her!

    Do you believe in God, if I may ask?

    As for your friend, I suppose your response to her would depend on whether or not you believe in God.
    If you believe in God, or at least hope that there is a God as I have described, then, you (in addition to myself) could pray for her, if you wish. If she asks, you could say, "I'll pray for you right now, if you wish. 'God help M.'" You don't have to say anything more than that or be in a special posture or have done anything else. You can pray while clothed or nude or
    dressing. It is easier than you think and God won't be angry with you for praying. Talking to God is just as easy as talking to another person. "God please help M."

    If you wish, place a hand on her shoulder or hug her while you pray for her, but you don't have to. God hears your prayer either way, but M might appreciate being hugged or touched.

    Even if you don't believe in God, you can let M know that an email friend is praying for her.

    >So I'll pass this one to you zaitzeff- If you really pray >for people and don't mind taking requests. M is >depressed and wanting to be rejoined with her 2 kids >but needs to save money to do it. She is working >working working to do this.

    Does M ever take time in listening to God? That may be of benefit to her. I have a friend who hears from God more clearly than I do. In addition to praying for M, I'll ask him if God has any message for her. In the meantime, my recommendation is that M consider taking time every day to listen to God, if she does not already do so.

    In addition to my praying, I'll be asking others to pray for M also.

    God's will be done in the life of M. God give M wisdom about handling and saving her money. Jesus visit M and help her to find joy. Jesus give M peace and wisdom about her relationship with her kids.

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    "anyway, if the working girl is a "working girl," then I think it is really funny for others who are more ordinary Christians to be praying God help her!"

    Zaitzeff,

    I got that quote from your second post. I have a question...
    I'm not trying to start anything, but why is it funny for "more ordinary" Christians to be praying for God to help that women? Isn't that part of being Christian? Praying for God to help others?
    Like the car, I'm exotic, erotic, and expensive....

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    >"anyway, if the working girl is a "working girl," then I >think it is really funny for others who are more >ordinary Christians to be praying God help her!"

    >Zaitzeff,

    >I got that quote from your second post. I have a >question...
    >I'm not trying to start anything, but why is it funny >for "more ordinary" Christians to be praying for God to >help that women? Isn't that part of being Christian? >Praying for God to help others?

    Yes, Christians pray for God to help others. That is part of being a Christian.

    why would it be funny? well, one definition of "working girl" would be a prostitute and more ordinary Christians usually believe that prostitution is morally wrong. Working girl, in her prayer request, requests prayer that God help her "meet the needs" of "her business allies" in every way. So, if "working girl" is a prostitute, she is praying that God help her to be a excellent sexual and romantic and emotional partner/companion. Their needs would include their sexual needs and the business allies would be her clients.

    Christians tend to believe that God would not help a person in a morally bad endeavor. Christians would not knowingly pray that God do so. I don't have a moral objection to prostitution. If "working girl" is a prostitute, then, more ordinary Christians might have been praying that she be an excellent sexual partner, without realizing what they were doing. Do you see?
    And that is what is funny.

    Christians do pray that God help people, but they don't normally pray for prostitutes that those prostitutes excell and succeed as prostitutes. Some of the Christians I know would tend to pray, if they know a person to be a prostitute, that God get that person out of her line of work.


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    so is it right to pray for someone when they asked you to pray for something else? For example, ifthat prostitute asked people to pray for her to be more "lucrative" in her line of work, and Christians are against this, then is it OK for them to pray for her to get OUT of that line of work???
    Just a little confused here...

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    >so is it right to pray for someone when they asked >you to pray for something else? For example, if that >prostitute asked people to pray for her to be >more "lucrative" in her line of work, and Christians are >against this, then is it OK for them to pray for her to >get OUT of that line of work???

    generally, no. However, I imagine a bunch of Christians might say otherwise. My answer is no.

    the answer depends on what God thinks of her work, and that is not obvious. and the answer would also depend on the motive of the christian.

    it is not up to any human to judge the morality of any other person. Of course some humans do this or try to do so but they are unwise to do so. It is not their place to judge another person.

    If God regards her work as being harmful to herself or others, physically or spiritually, then a Christian might be right in praying that God show her the right way to live. If God thinks her work is not harmful, then it would be unhelpful to pray that God get her out of it, unless she were asking for help in getting out of it.

    what God thinks and what some particular christian thinks might be very different.

    >Just a little confused here...

    >so is it right to pray for someone when they asked >you to pray for something else?

    as for praying for someone who has asked you to be praying for something else: that depends on the case.

    perhaps you know Kathy Ireland or Rene Russo? These are well-known Christians. Kathy was a swimsuit "supermodel." Rene is an actress who has done topless or nude photos or film, as in The Thomas Crowne Affair. Was their conduct right or wrong? Christians in fact debate this question sometimes, and some Christians are offended by Kathy or Rene's photos. What does God think? On which side is He?
    Humans who are fallible don't always know.

    Kathy Ireland says that God helped her and guided her in her modeling career, which included some sexually suggestive photos and a discreet sex scene in film. Rene prayed about taking the part and doing the scenes in the movie, and felt to do so. Yet, some Christians are upset (a little) about what they did and they in fact write or contact Kathy and Rene to say they were wrong. Were they? It is not my place to judge Kathy or Rene, but only to love them. And, as for me, I am happy with what they did.

    if someone like Hitler or bin Laden came and asked you to pray that God help them kill a bunch of innocent people, it would not be a Christian thing to do to pray with them, for God's helping them to kill a bunch of innocent people. And, the right way to pray for them might be to pray that God show them the right way so that they don't kill a bunch of innocent people!

    On the other hand, I've had a number of people pray for me in ways with which I could not agree. I did not believe that they prayed for me in ways that were helpful. I'd say that those prayers for me were unwise or practically wrong.

    The case of Hitler or bin Laden is an extreme or obvious case. The case is somewhat different for a prostitute, sex worker, stripper, erotic massage practitioner or nude model. The reason is that Christians themselves don't always agree as to whether or not such lines of work are morally OK or that is, harmful to themselves or others. And, there are different ways to practice prostitution and differently likelihood of harm resulting from them. Does a massage practitioner harm someone if she includes more than usual? No, not necessarily. Does a stripper harm someone by dancing? No; at least, not always. She is, we hope, having fun and helping other have fun. We've already had two people on this board who are strippers indicate that they are Christians or attend church. In another forum, I have met another woman who is an escort and who is Christian or considers herself Christian.

    "Most" Christians believe that those lines of work are bad, but "most Christians" is not infallible. In the first 300 years of Christianity, "most Christians" were against serving in the Roman military, but there were Christian soldiers and God seems to have blessed them.
    There was even a story about the Thundering Legion, to which God sent rain and thunder in response to prayer.

    To repeat, it depends on what God thinks, whether harm is being done.

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