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    This is the results from the four polls titled "How would you rate s.c. industry, patrons as taken from the industry's view and that from the patrons.
    Patrons view of themselves and the industry was taken at the SCJ site and ran as follows:
    There were 6 votes from patrons on themselves. 4(66.5%) rated themselves above average. 2 (33.5%) rated themselves as average.
    There were 8 votes from patrons on the industry which means perhaps 2 didn't vote on themselves. The poll was meant to determine general trends in general.
    1 (12.5%) voted it above average. 4 (50%) voted it average and 3 (37.5%) voted it was below average.
    Now for the S.C. workers view on themselves and their patrons. These polls were run on this site.
    There were 13 votes of the workers on themselves. 10 (77%) said they were above average. 3 (23%) said they were average.
    There were 12 votes of the workers on their patrons. Maybe one didn't vote on them. 2 (17%) voted them above average. 5 (41.5%) voted them average, another 5 (41.5%) voted them below average.
    Now what would be a perfect score? A perfect score would be if everyone vote everyone in the same category like excellent or average. THat means that the patrons are everything the industry expected of them and vice versa. When you get big discrepancies is where you run into problems.
    How do we translate the results? Let's take the first category patrons, s.c. workers on themselves. Overwhelmingly they voted themselves excellent or average. What I'd say that meant is that we all see ourselves as doing the right thing. We're doing as is expected of ourselves. We're not conducting ourselves improper.
    How do patrons see the industry? Mostly (50%) as average. It's just like any other business. A minority (12.5%) see it as exceptional but the opposite (37.5%) see it as doing less than average.
    S.C. workers on their patrons? Most (82%) see them as average or below average. Only 17% see them as above average.
    The discrepancies , the patrons seeing themselves doing a good job but not seeing the industry meet their needs and vice versa is what you have to worry about. I have voiced criticism of the industry as they have have of me but from the results of these polls I don't think I am the only one. I think there needs to be more discussion over the differences.
    I'm going to start by stating how I voted. On myself I voted excellent. I don't seek or even request extras. I have never propositioned a dancer. I have never knowingly violated any rules or been uncompliant with those posted. MOst everyone I've selected enjoyed me, would request my return and the experience was mutually enjoyable. AS far as tips go, there are limits as to what we find acceptable. I don't think anyone would want a lap dance from Phylis Diller no matter how good she was. Let's just say that I try to tip as best I recognize a dancers efforts to give a good performance and not so much on her physical attributes. In short , I think I'm an excellent patron.
    On the industry I voted below average. When I was on the SCJ site someone said to me, "Don't go to the SW site. No one will listen to you." I kind of know what he's talking about. I can't tell you how many times my opinion has been invalidated because of my gender status. There are articles on women who have cheated on their s.o. because they could not control their sexual cravings over their fidelity vows. When that happens the female opinion is overwhelmingly sympathetic, empathetic, supportive,understanding. On the other hand if a man has a problem controlling is sex drive over his fidelity vows the women will simply label him as a low down cheat. No sympathy extended to him. There's the article about dancing in S.F. and Houston in where one speaker states ,"It's so sad that a girl has to submit to selling extras to make descent pay or keep on par with the other girls." What? What about the guy who , in his desperation, acts like a jerk trying to satisfy his needs? Why is there no sympathy towards him? In short ,I feel mens' views get "dis'ed" far more than womens.
    Next the article on offensive license plates. One that said "Strippers are not dancers.Dancers are not strippers." THe words do not say intolerance for one side or the other. From this people were all to willing to condemn the poster as being anti-stripper and would have displayed defiance if they confronted the driver. There were speculations that she was a ballet dancer or a religious fantic. No one brought up the suggestion that she might be a stripper. How did anyone know that she took such a position in the first place? So what I'm saying is that the people here are more likely to act on nothing more than their suspicions. They're not that willing to come to a compromise on their stand.
    Next, the battle between the sexes is alive and well. It has been with us since the dawn of man and will survive anyone of us. It will be our constant companion. Stripping is intimately intertwined with the battle between the sexes. Being that it is a lopsided industry ( there are far more females involved than males) naturally the other side will have their suspicions. It's like the Israelis and the Palestinians. If there is a doctrine, law, or legislation that favors one side over the other naturally the other side will cry unfair. It's up to them to show the other side that the legislation maintains fairness between the parties. This, I feel the industry has not accomplished that well.
    I'll conclude by saying this. I can take or leave the s.c. industry. I'm not a junkie. I can live with or without it. I prefer to live with it. I did not make the statistics. You've all created it. I can try to promote it but I can't do it alone. This is your livelihood. Whether or not it flourishes or withers is up to you. All I'm doing is reporting the status quo.
    This poll refects only the business side of the issue. I have not even touched on the moral , legal,or religious aspects to the discussion.
    Anyone else care to comment?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59554#msg59554 date=1072735099
    Next the article on offensive license plates. One that said "Strippers are not dancers.Dancers are not strippers." THe words do not say intolerance for one side or the other. From this people were all to willing to condemn the poster as being anti-stripper and would have displayed defiance if they confronted the driver. There were speculations that she was a ballet dancer or a religious fantic. No one brought up the suggestion that she might be a stripper. How did anyone know that she took such a position in the first place?
    one quick comment- there was actually some comments on that thread about the driver maybe being an exotic dancer herself.


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    Holy Crap :o what are you doing writing your doctoral thesis on the strip club industry and dancers involved in it based solely on information garnered from this site?

    Stop over analyzing this entertainment form, check out the naked chicks and throw a few bucks on the stage.

    XOXO Paris Love


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59596#msg59596 date=1072743625
    Holy Crap :o what are you doing writing your doctoral thesis on the strip club industry and dancers involved in it based solely on information garnered from this site?
    I was thinking the same thing.... it seemed that many ppl didnt even vote on the pole.

    Seraya.


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    I don't think you can conclude anything from these results. Nowhere near enough people responded. And even if everyone on the site responded, it still wouldn't be enough and you couldn't expect that particular group to represent an accurate cross-section--the dancers and customers on these sites are a minority just by being here.

    And as far as your opinion being "invalidated because of your gender status," well... I don't think it's your gender that's the issue. If it seems that girls here are less than receptive to your comments, maybe it's because of what you're saying. There are other men who post on this forum that don't have the same problem.

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    Why did I do this poll? Because that's what I do , I analyze life. I take in information and try to make sense of what it all means. Isn't that what you do conciously or sub?
    Why aren't I out looking at naked ladies somewhere and throwing out tips? Because I don't like industries that are sexist towards me, don't value my opinion, and are overzealously condemning and treating me negatively especially when they don't listen to me and are predjudiced against me. I know there are some men that get treated differently just the same that I know many strippers won't treat me this way. I'm saying that the overall impression I get from the industry is this.
    The poll was meant to indicate significant trends. In such a small sample the margin of error must be greater but even if a greater percentage participated I still think it would retain it's basic shape. I think this is a good place to take a sampling. Where would you suggest? The national geographic society, the AMA?

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    one quick comment- there was actually some comments on that thread about the driver maybe being an exotic dancer herself.

    And what did the people have to say about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss george link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59610#msg59610 date=1072745169
    I don't think you can conclude anything from these results. Nowhere near enough people responded. And even if everyone on the site responded, it still wouldn't be enough and you couldn't expect that particular group to represent an accurate cross-section--the dancers and customers on these sites are a minority just by being here.
    I think I can. Even with such a small sample there is a direction forming. Take for example the first question, "How do you see yourself". I think how ever large I expanded my poll the % would pretty much come up the same. I think most of us think we are acting properly, doing the best at our roles as possible.
    I think this website is a pretty accurate cross section of the community. We have people across the nation and as far out as England and Puerto Rico. If I just ran the poll at a local club all I would get would be the local sampling.
    But anyway , try the poll where you're at. I think you'll be surprised by the similar findings.

    And as far as your opinion being "invalidated because of your gender status," well... I don't think it's your gender that's the issue. If it seems that girls here are less than receptive to your comments, maybe it's because of what you're saying.
    Big disagreement with that.

    There are other men who post on this forum that don't have the same problem.
    Yes, I know. !2.5%. I'm talking about the predominant trends however. Thanks for your comments.

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    Far too many words spent on something that tries to be scientific that is patently not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59734#msg59734 date=1072810287
    Why did I do this poll? Because that's what I do , I analyze life. I take in information and try to make sense of what it all means. Isn't that what you do conciously or sub?
    Why aren't I out looking at naked ladies somewhere and throwing out tips? Because I don't like industries that are sexist towards me, don't value my opinion, and are overzealously condemning and treating me negatively especially when they don't listen to me and are predjudiced against me. I know there are some men that get treated differently just the same that I know many strippers won't treat me this way. I'm saying that the overall impression I get from the industry is this.
    The poll was meant to indicate significant trends. In such a small sample the margin of error must be greater but even if a greater percentage participated I still think it would retain it's basic shape. I think this is a good place to take a sampling. Where would you suggest? The national geographic society, the AMA?
    Holy God…one would suspect that an analysis of this indicates you have a severe Persecution Complex.

    In any rate, your poll answers constitutes far too small of a sampling of the general public. Your conclusions may mollify you, but don’t be surprise if there is not a single person here who takes it seriously or agrees with you based on your miniscule evidence.

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    I believe there are so many things wrong with this.

    I am an honest to god actual computational mathematician. I hope you take my advice to heart.

    Like others say, I believe your sample is too small to get an accurate and precise measure of what is going on. You can shout out about where to find the numbers in a cynical manner, but the fact is your sample is to small. You should have just shook your head at the small sample and shelved the project.

    Also, your questions were very vague - just what does "excellent" mean to people who frequent clubs once a year, once a month, twice a month, or the junkies there every week?

    The expectations, as well the meeting of those expectations to warrant "excellent" from these groups is likely different. You would need this additional information to align the answers to the reality.

    There are other problems like this in your analysis. You need these other numbers to to measure the correctness of your standard deviations just to begin with.

    Now, if the above was personal, the following is going to be even more personal, and I hope you do not take offense.

    There are a lot of people out in the world who try to make logic do more than it really can. You appear to be someone who does this. Stop it for your own good.

    Logic is a tool of understanding the world, but it is not the only tool of understanding the world. It is also very fragile.

    You can certainly come to a conclusion about something, and it be completely logical, but also be completely wrong because:

    -- your assumptions were wrong

    -- you made a mistake in a measurement somewhere

    -- you should have been using fuzzy logic when you were using predicate calculus, you should have been using predicate calculus when you were using propositional calculus - in short, you under-estimated the complexity of what you are trying to measure and model and are using the wrong tools.

    It is accepted knowledge that the use of statistics for an absolute true or false is nonsensical.

    We try to say this is a logical world, but in the end, there are a lot of problems outside the realm of logic. The issue may be "non-computable." The issue may be "undecidable." The issue may be "innumerable."

    One needs to learn the limitations of the tool (logic) instead of trying to fit the world into the confines of the limitations.

    In the end, I find people who try to push logic further than what it can do are in the end, trying to control their world.

    The lure of "if a causes b" is intoxicating to those who want to manipulate the world and those in the world. There is a whole lot of "if I just do this, then that will happen." Then there is a lot of anger and frustration that happens when doing "this" doesn't cause "that" to happen, for reasons I afore mentioned.

    When it comes to people, who are intolerably complex, it could be:

    if a then b
    or
    if a then maybe b
    or
    if a' then b (meaning, a for someone might cause b, but a' for another might cause b, so one never really knows if it is a or a' that is required to get b.)

    Hopefully this is clear.

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    Dreamer, You also do not seem to take into account that your poll is meaningless because the sample of people willing to take the poll may be biased. I, for one, did not participate in your poll because I considered it an example of "mental masturbation", namely playing with asking stupid questions and interpreting the answers to suit your preconceived notions, whatever those are (don't know and don't care).

    Plus people have no reason to tell you the truth.People lie to pollsters every day.

    For the same reason I have hung up on telephone polls after telling them off. Crap looked at scientifically still stinks even if you call it by a Latin name.

    Add: Apologies to Deogol, who I mistakenly thought started this thread. Before I fixed it I had his name in the first line.

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    I have to agree with Jason, Prester_John, and especially with Deogol ... and then I feel compelled to take things even one step farther.

    For a fact there is no longer a single "strip club industry" in North America, if there ever was. Thanks to different state laws and different local political and business climates, there are now at least 50 different "regional markets". A few of these regional markets are doing well financially. Many of these regional markets are doing seriously bad financially. There may also be a world of difference between what constitutes the job description of "strip club dancing" in one regional market compared to a different region. As such, even if the aforementioned sampling process had been conducted scientifically and represented a statistically significant sample size in one regional market, it would be of questionable applicability at best to other regional markets.

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    Holy God…one would suspect that an analysis of this indicates you have a severe Persecution Complex.

    In any rate, your poll answers constitutes far too small of a sampling of the general public. Your conclusions may mollify you, but don’t be surprise if there is not a single person here who takes it seriously or agrees with you based on your miniscule evidence.

    Prester, are you invalidating everyone who took part in the poll? If you say I have a severe persecution complex , so do 37% of us.
    Well if you don't recognize any significance to the poll, I invite you to run one of your own and see if the results don't coincide using all your scientific and valid polling techniques as possible.

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    Basic advice from a once statistician:

    -You need a sample size of >=30.

    -Test for reliability

    -Test for validity

    -Use a Licket scale in your questionnaire if you are measuring qualitative data: This allows the user to answer somewhere from "highly agree" to "highly disagree"

    -Open ended questions

    -You need to calculate a margin or error and a standard deviation for your results

    Considering this is probably an informal poll for you, this might be TMI. The concept is good though, best of luck to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59964#msg59964 date=1072926195
    I believe there are so many things wrong with this.

    I am an honest to god actual computational mathematician. I hope you take my advice to heart.

    Like others say, I believe your sample is too small to get an accurate and precise measure of what is going on. You can shout out about where to find the numbers in a cynical manner, but the fact is your sample is to small. You should have just shook your head at the small sample and shelved the project.
    Great , since you're the mathematical genius you can redesign the poll , run it , and disclose to us of your findings.


    Also, your questions were very vague - just what does "excellent" mean to people who frequent clubs once a year, once a month, twice a month, or the junkies there every week?
    THere were no specific pinpoint assessments to the poll.
    I was not asking what foods do you like to narrow down what kinds of food people consume. I was asking a very broad overview like what do you think about eating out as opposed to eating in?
    In that sense the poll was a complete success as far as my objectives were concerned.

    The expectations, as well the meeting of those expectations to warrant "excellent" from these groups is likely different. You would need this additional information to align the answers to the reality.
    What expectations? When I ran this poll I had no idea what the results would produce. They could have been a perfect score where everyone voted all the same category or it could have come up with extremes at both ends. All I'm doing is translating the information.

    There are other problems like this in your analysis. You need these other numbers to to measure the correctness of your standard deviations just to begin with.

    Now, if the above was personal, the following is going to be even more personal, and I hope you do not take offense.

    There are a lot of people out in the world who try to make logic do more than it really can. You appear to be someone who does this. Stop it for your own good.

    Logic is a tool of understanding the world, but it is not the only tool of understanding the world. It is also very fragile.

    You can certainly come to a conclusion about something, and it be completely logical, but also be completely wrong because:

    -- your assumptions were wrong

    -- you made a mistake in a measurement somewhere

    -- you should have been using fuzzy logic when you were using predicate calculus, you should have been using predicate calculus when you were using propositional calculus - in short, you under-estimated the complexity of what you are trying to measure and model and are using the wrong tools.

    It is accepted knowledge that the use of statistics for an absolute true or false is nonsensical.

    We try to say this is a logical world, but in the end, there are a lot of problems outside the realm of logic. The issue may be "non-computable." The issue may be "undecidable." The issue may be "innumerable."

    One needs to learn the limitations of the tool (logic) instead of trying to fit the world into the confines of the limitations.

    In the end, I find people who try to push logic further than what it can do are in the end, trying to control their world.
    How am I trying to control the world? I'm simply trying to assess it.

    The lure of "if a causes b" is intoxicating to those who want to manipulate the world and those in the world. There is a whole lot of "if I just do this, then that will happen." Then there is a lot of anger and frustration that happens when doing "this" doesn't cause "that" to happen, for reasons I afore mentioned.
    I think the world would rejoice if they discover the causation relationship "a" to "b". "If I just do this" is called a scientific conclusion. Of course there's anger and frustration when we find "this" doesn't cause "that". It's all called scientific inquiry and if it happens you simply discard your original hypothesis and develop another.

    When it comes to people, who are intolerably complex, it could be:

    if a then b
    or
    if a then maybe b
    or
    if a' then b (meaning, a for someone might cause b, but a' for another might cause b, so one never really knows if it is a or a' that is required to get b.)

    Hopefully this is clear.
    No offense taken. But unfortunately we do apply logic to our everyday dealings. Some more, and as I pointed out , some less. Now for you , you might say that I take it too far. We are very complex creatures that certainly defy the laws of logic. None of us is a Mr. Spock. Now the statement of you saying that I am using it too much or beyond it's limitation. I don't know where you're coming from.
    First of all , we all use logic to direct our lives. When you leave your house in the morning do you look up the weather report to determine what clothing you should wear? Do you get up to date traffic reports so you can call in if you suspect you will be late? You know , some of us just rush out the door without further considerations.
    Whatever the case is ,you are still going to rely on your methods or you'd never leave your house.
    It's all relative to where you stand . Some people you say use too much logic, others you say use too little. But it's simply how we are . We use as much or as little logic as we see fulfilling the need. Not invalidating your opinion, but I think I use the correct amount of logic.
    Hey, thanks for answering my article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59966#msg59966 date=1072927271
    Dreamer, You also do not seem to take into account that your poll is meaningless because the sample of people willing to take the poll may be biased. I, for one, did not participate in your poll because I considered it an example of "mental masturbation", namely playing with asking stupid questions and interpreting the answers to suit your preconceived notions, whatever those are (don't know and don't care).
    Are you totally invalidating the participants as being biased? You consider it stupid if I want to know how the industry feels about me and vice versa? What preconceived notions? But why should it matter to you if you are totally indifferent?

    Plus people have no reason to tell you the truth.People lie to pollsters every day.
    You're dang right about that. That hardest part about a poll is to get others to open up. For instance, if there is a racist among the subMaster race constituents they are not going to come out and say" Hey, I'm a rascist. I think all you inferiors should act subservant to me!" First of all because they might not want to cause a scene and second, they're probably doing something illegal. But it is important when we can to get the input from these individuals. Simply because if we ignore them it doesn't mean the problem goes away. You simply cover it up. The rascist still have their views only they will manifest it when they feel you are more vulnerable to it.
    That's why it's a secret ballotl. People only disclose their identity and opinion if they feel like it.

    For the same reason I have hung up on telephone polls after telling them off. Crap looked at scientifically still stinks even if you call it by a Latin name.
    I don't think you should answer every dang poll that is presented to you but I think you should participate in those that are important to you. What would happen if we had an election and nobody voted? How do you expect politicians, businesses, society to better serve you if you don't respond?
    Do you know that politicans change their policies dictated by polls? Do you know businesses depend on polls to market their product or service?
    If you don't vote then you leave your life to be determined by others. In my poll ,you can vote then say why you voted as such or why you feel the question is irrelevant.
    Hey, thanks for your input even though you didn't participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg59967#msg59967 date=1072927413
    I have to agree with Jason, Prester_John, and especially with Deogol ... and then I feel compelled to take things even one step farther.

    For a fact there is no longer a single "strip club industry" in North America, if there ever was. Thanks to different state laws and different local political and business climates, there are now at least 50 different "regional markets". A few of these regional markets are doing well financially. Many of these regional markets are doing seriously bad financially. There may also be a world of difference between what constitutes the job description of "strip club dancing" in one regional market compared to a different region. As such, even if the aforementioned sampling process had been conducted scientifically and represented a statistically significant sample size in one regional market, it would be of questionable applicability at best to other regional markets.
    Well Melonie I am trying to get the overall impression. It's like if I said "How happy are you with your auto insurance broker?" I agree there are all kinds of regional differences depending upon local legislation, quality of personel training, types of drivers , the affluency of the region but it all levels out in our minds at some point.
    No ,I'm not saying I'm a business analysist. I'm just presenting my data. Thanks for your input

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    I'd like to elaborate a little on the moral high horse that some dancers seem to assume.
    The industry is like this. If all the fishing boats went out and all came back with their legal limits that would be a great catch. Everyone would be happy and the industry would be sailing into properous waters. What happens when the times get sour? Boats are going to go out and find nothing biting or you're going to find significantly more boats working the waters. Boats will be returning only partially full. Many people will be disappointed . The price of fish will go up.
    What happens with the fishermen? Well definitely they will become more competitive. They are going to seek more methods ,some maybe illegal to make their haul. They'll become territorial and possessive. They are going to scream for more laws and restrictions.
    Of all this , what part would a fish's opinion amount to? What would you think a fish would say to all this? In the resulting scenario would you blame the fish? Hey,there are not enough of you. How come none of you are big enough?
    I think you know what I'm getting at but before you jump the gun let me ask you this. In the strip industry who do you think is the predator and who is the prey? Both are predators. Life would be too simple if it were preditor and a prey. That's why there is so much competition going on . Not only among the fishing boats but with the fish as well.
    Does it always have to be this way? No. In nature the orchid works in harmonius symbiosis with the bee. The bee wants something- food and pollen. The plant wants something --it wants it's flowers to be cross pollinated to insure the survival of the species. Both get what they want without blaming the other.
    Now back to our fishermen, don't you think that some of them will be crying for regulations to prevent others from exceeding their limit? Don't you think some will ask practices such as long line fishing that destroys the ecosystem be banned. Don't you think they want a limit as to how many boats can work the waters and a limit to the season?
    In correlation, when a dancer says they don't give extras and don't think others should be allowed to offer them, is it because she is a good wholesome girl? Yes it is possible that they possess higher moral standards but most likely i would say the purpose is to maintain a business ethic. THat is, I think the whole restriction on extras is to insure that everyone has a fair shake at the pot. It's to even out the chances that everyone gets an equitable haul.
    Any comments to the fish?

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    Far too many words for a patently unscientific poll.

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    Great , since you're the mathematical genius you can redesign the poll , run it , and disclose to us of your findings.
    a) It is not that important to me.

    b) You shouldn't be a smart-ass to people you want something from. It just makes everyone's opinion of you lower. I am just trying to help you here.

    What expectations? When I ran this poll I had no idea what the results would produce. They could have been a perfect score where everyone voted all the same category or it could have come up with extremes at both ends. All I'm doing is translating the information.
    The expectations of the people in each group. The strip club junkie might have the expectation of getting his bone licked, while the once a year might have the expectations of a simple flirt with a beauty willing to show off what ever the club allows to show off. If the junkie got his bone licked, then it would be "excellent." If not, then it might be "bad" - but yet the once a yearer is happy with a little titty in his face. Each group has different expectations you need to quantify and match to how well the industry meets them.

    You don't have that much information to translate, both in terms of what your measuring, since it is so broad, as well in terms of data, since it is so sparse. Sorry, it is what I am seeing.

    How am I trying to control the world? I'm simply trying to assess it.
    All one needs to do is read what your writing and it is all over the place. It is obvious you want to understand the workings of something so you can get something. Whether it is sex, love, validation - I don't know, but your looking for something by putting so much energy into this Medieval Alchemy of measuring people's satisfaction with strippers.

    If you were a strip club owner, I could understand. But I would think you would get your data from people walking out the door. Given em a buck for their opinion, people will give it to you.

    Now this whole everyone is a predator and everyone is the prey and your talking about fish and how the fish feel. It has me scratching my head where your coming from.

    The fish (you got me really cracking up on that one - hopefully it is not tuna!) is what the dancer (who is the fisher) is providing to the customer.

    A lot of what you say about creating a "barrier of entry to the market by regulation" limiting what a dancer can do does make sense though. Established businesses do it all the time to hinder new start-ups. That is why one doesn't see many new car companies out there, even though it is a billion dollar business.

    It ain't hard. Put a dollar down on the dancer of your choice. If she ain't selling what your buying then go look somewhere else. Your buying a few minutes of being a man gawking at gash without being slapped by a woman.

    Your really making all of this much harder than it is.

    I think the whole restriction on extras is to insure that everyone has a fair shake at the pot. It's to even out the chances that everyone gets an equitable haul.
    But everyone does not have a fair shake at the pot. Some dancers are more alluring than other dancers. The less alluring dancers need to come up with something to even the desireability level, and they choose to do extras.

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    I think your fish analogy smacks of the logic that the person driving 56 mph has no right to complain about the drunk driver because they are both in violation.

    And the fish analogy also falls on the basis that there is a finite resource. Clubs are not a finite resource, the total can be deteriorated by the "extra" illegal activity can get the club closed and innocent persons harmed. The problem with fishing is that the resource is treated as a "free good" and hence no one has a direct interest in protecting it.

    A better analogy (if you like fish) is the fisherman in Chesapeake bay complaining when an upstream water pollutor is dumping mercury in the water and destroying the resource.

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    a) It is not that important to me.
    If you are so indifferent and apathetic to the issue then why do you bother to answer?

    b) You shouldn't be a smart-ass to people you want something from. It just makes everyone's opinion of you lower. I am just trying to help you here.
    Smart-assed? I'm just trying to interpret the information! If you have any different perspective on it ,why don't you state so? Yes , it is known that everyone loves to kill the messenger. I appreciate your efforts to help me.

    The expectations of the people in each group. The strip club junkie might have the expectation of getting his bone licked, while the once a year might have the expectations of a simple flirt with a beauty willing to show off what ever the club allows to show off. If the junkie got his bone licked, then it would be "excellent." If not, then it might be "bad" - but yet the once a yearer is happy with a little titty in his face. Each group has different expectations you need to quantify and match to how well the industry meets them.

    Deogol, every poll has a purpose in mind. This poll was to determine the level of satisfaction of the clients with the s.c. industry and vice versa. That's it! Anything more than that is simply a speculation by the observers.

    You don't have that much information to translate, both in terms of what your measuring, since it is so broad, as well in terms of data, since it is so sparse. Sorry, it is what I am seeing.
    Well if i had the finances to run a nationwide gallup poll I would do it. Since I don't I'll settle for this.

    All one needs to do is read what your writing and it is all over the place. It is obvious you want to understand the workings of something so you can get something.
    The expectations of the poll was to gather information. Which by my standards, it did quite well. Any other expectations are simply speculations of the viewer.


    But I would think you would get your data from people walking out the door. Given em a buck for their opinion, people will give it to you.
    That's the nice thing about this site. People freely give their opinions and i don't have to walk out the door or pay them a buck.

    The fish (you got me really cracking up on that one - hopefully it is not tuna!) is what the dancer (who is the fisher) is providing to the customer.
    No Deogol, the fish are the target market of the strippers--the customers.

    A lot of what you say about creating a "barrier of entry to the market by regulation" limiting what a dancer can do does make sense though. Established businesses do it all the time to hinder new start-ups. That is why one doesn't see many new car companies out there, even though it is a billion dollar business.
    No Deogol, I'm not talking about putting regulations on the strip industry. Since many of the strippers are considered "independent contractors" they consider the other "fishing boats" as competition. All I'm saying is that they follow the same economic laws as any other business.

    But everyone does not have a fair shake at the pot. Some dancers are more alluring than other dancers. The less alluring dancers need to come up with something to even the desireability level, and they choose to do extras.
    Deogol, life is unfair. Some of us are blessed with better features than others. Let's get back to the fishing boats. Some have better bait and lures than others. Some have better sonar detection equipment. Some are simply larger and have a greater haul capacity. What I'm saying is that they all want some regulation that insures
    their success some stability within the framework of competition practice.
    They wouldn't like it if someone threw dynamite overboard then harvested the fish floating to the surface. They don't want someone going out before the season has begun. The teams may be different in their composition but they all want a level playing field.
    That Is the reason strippers want rules against "extras". It's probably not because they hold a higher moral standard. It's just because they want a leveler playing field. That's simply business ethic.
    Thanks Deogol for your help.

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    Dreamer should come with a warning label that stays "Will Obfuscate, Argue and be Belligerant After Encountering Opposition to His Views. Handle With Caution: Will Not Consider Alternatives".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prester_John link=board=1;threadid=5522;start=msg60250#msg60250 date=1073078967
    Dreamer should come with a warning label that stays "Will Obfuscate, Argue and be Belligerant After Encountering Opposition to His Views. Handle With Caution: Will Not Consider Alternatives".
    You can say that again

    also you might add to that disclaimer that he has extreem difficulty with the concept of agree to disagree

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