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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63650#msg63650 date=1074284146
    PP, I think most strippers who've been at it past the 5-year mark, and who've worked several clubs in several areas, generally will have learned pretty well how to do business successfully without relying on 'easy' circumstances or extras. In my experience, most girls who rely on extras and/or who don't have good skills don't last too long, and/or generally don't get around to dancing in many areas. I also say that once a dancer has been at it more than 5 years (especially if she is a true veteran and has worked a few different areas), she's most likely figured out how to do something constructive with her money other than go shopping. You won't need to ask or verify all those things. Furthermore, I really don't think those things should really factor in when you're looking for women to make an appearance - whether or not a woman is good with her finances or has ever broken a rule isn't much of a reflection on how well she knows the business. I daresay all of us have been guilty of spending unwisely and broken some rules at some point, but the true veterans generally have learned how better to manage their money and how to work within boundaries successfully.
    *BIG sigh of relief* That's good to hear. I've been scratching my head on how we would actually inquire about all that. I know I'd get offended and refuse to show my personal finances. To say nothing about inquiring about them doing "extras". Being a libertarian, I'm a BIG advocate of privacy.

    Oh, and I too have made numerous mistakes with my finances. We all do. What matters is that we learn from our mistakes and not keep repeating them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63650#msg63650 date=1074284146
    I disagree with polecat's assessment that feature-type dancers should be excluded. Some or most of them started out as house dancers and just managed to improve their lot by becoming features.
    Maybe I'm a bit confused on the terminology here. What I thought was "feature" dancer was someone that the club advertises and who swings through on a tour. Someone that has done something special that the club can promote to the public, such as being a porn star, Playboy Playmate, or Miss Nude America. I was thinking that this would be what veterans have done at least once and might be where they're at and want to remain.

    As for unique features like women with MASSIVE breasts, I want to save those for later episodes that will focus on just them. I'd like the veteran stripper episode to just have normal healthy (highly-)attractive women as its guests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63650#msg63650 date=1074284146
    Those women may appear to be bimbos on Springer and Jenny Jones, but we all know that is an act 'encouraged' by producers and they appear on those shows to increase their marketability. IMO, that is not an indication of any lack of experience or skills, but in fact is an indication of business sense.
    I do NOT blame any of the strippers that have done such shows and taken on such roles. Not at all. I know the importance of publicity for one's career ... especially a career in an entertainment field. The only ones I blame for those awful shows is the show's producers and host. And what I blame them for is not doing it but presenting the act as if it is real.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63650#msg63650 date=1074284146
    One problem I see for you is that, with your geographical and budgeting limitations, you may find it extremely difficult to come up with a few true veterans to make an appearance. Chicago should prove to have a better source for veterans, but I would think that you'd be hard-pressed to find many true veterans who've worked several areas in Wisconsin. I think you'd have much better luck if you managed to expand your budget a bit. I know that is easier said than done....
    I wish I had the budget to do that. Hopefully as ad revenue comes in, we can start flying in guests. Also, we might move the show to a bigger city sometime in the future if a nightclub, casino, or even a classy strip club were to make the right offer. They getting their place advertised by being the film location and we getting the place to film at during their off-hours (daytime) and being paid cash to sweeten the deal. Currently, the show's film location is a cool-looking nightclub in Madison, Wisconsin. The owner allows us to film there free for the publicity.

    And as for getting veteran strippers to come to Mad City (as us locals have nicknamed Madison), I'll just hope to get lucky. Already one veteran stripper has expressed an interest. Hopefully others will as well or that one will know others that might be willing to come on. Otherwise, I'll just hold off on the veteran stripper episode (thus all episodes with strippers) until ad revenue starts rolling in and we can afford to fly and house them here. Needless to say, I'll always have a soft spot for the guests that help us out at this early stage in the show and will have them on again and again in the future as a way to say "thanks".

    By the way, one of the veteran comics that will be appearing on the veteran comics episode is driving up from Chicago to appear on that episode. So hopefully it isn't too out of the question that a veteran stripper or two in Chicago might as well.

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    I'm wondering why limit the possibilites to 'normal' strippers rather than include a representative from the huge boobie group? I think it could add interest, showing that type of stripper as an intelligent businesswoman rather than just a huge pair of tits. Also the simple fact that getting huge tits can be a smart thing to do This business if VERY diverse and I think it would be a disservice to put such limits on a show about veteran strippers.

    As for the feature question, yes features are those who are advertised by the club and 'blow through' for a week or so. They tend to tour alot and don't spend much time in any particular club. BUT I think most started out as house dancers and, being smart businesswomen and recognizing that they could greatly increase their profitability with the hard work and sacrifices it takes to become a feature, moved themselves up.

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    I do NOT blame any of the strippers that have done such shows and taken on such roles. Not at all. I know the importance of publicity for one's career ... especially a career in an entertainment field. The only ones I blame for those awful shows is the show's producers and host. And what I blame them for is not doing it but presenting the act as if it is real.
    Well, actually, it was a little less "voluntary" than you imply. The JJ Show's producers basically left me in a situation of "playing along" with their script versus not appearing on the show and having to finance my own return flight home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63731#msg63731 date=1074297340
    I'm wondering why limit the possibilites to 'normal' strippers rather than include a representative from the huge boobie group? I think it could add interest, showing that type of stripper as an intelligent businesswoman rather than just a huge pair of tits. Also the simple fact that getting huge tits can be a smart thing to do This business if VERY diverse and I think it would be a disservice to put such limits on a show about veteran strippers.
    My audience will be primarily straight men. I'm afraid that if I only have one stripper with "big boobies" on the veteran stripper show, her presence will dominate the audience's attention.

    However, seriously, if most ... or even a significant minority of veteran strippers have MASSIVE breast implants, I would appreciate knowing this and may make a change in my position. Also, remember that what I'm been talking about is only the first episode that will have strippers as guests. Even if it turns out to be stinker, I do plan to make at least a couple more attempts to see if I can get this guest type (a.k.a. strippers) to work. I've already made my guest booker aware that I want a later episode to have as guests strippers with big breasts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63731#msg63731 date=1074297340
    As for the feature question, yes features are those who are advertised by the club and 'blow through' for a week or so. They tend to tour alot and don't spend much time in any particular club. BUT I think most started out as house dancers and, being smart businesswomen and recognizing that they could greatly increase their profitability with the hard work and sacrifices it takes to become a feature, moved themselves up.
    Yes, that was my thought. Just as with any profession, those in a profession seek to maximumize their income. Be they computer programmers, doctors, soldiers, or, in this case, strippers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63740#msg63740 date=1074300466
    I do NOT blame any of the strippers that have done such shows and taken on such roles. Not at all. I know the importance of publicity for one's career ... especially a career in an entertainment field. The only ones I blame for those awful shows is the show's producers and host. And what I blame them for is not doing it but presenting the act as if it is real.
    Well, actually, it was a little less "voluntary" than you imply. The JJ Show's producers basically left me in a situation of "playing along" with their script versus not appearing on the show and having to finance my own return flight home.
    If that is what happened (they didn't inform you of this before flying you in, you didn't agree to it in advance, and they then pulled this pressure play on you after you've arrived), they were nothing more than scumbags in my opinion. Sorry that was done to you. I hope you realize that not all talk shows and the people behind them are alike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63631#msg63631 date=1074281180
    I can see how my guest booker could verify if the clubs were nude, topless, or bikini, but how about "upscale" and "average"?
    that's a fairly straightforward task, since there are probably less than two dozen truly "upscale" show clubs in the entire country and they're all very well described on the strip club review websites.
    Which strip club review website(s) would you and other recommend that give very accurate unbiased reviews?
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    Accurate and unbiased strip club reviews? Never! LOL
    Seriously, and are the two most popular and widely known review sites. Both have reviews submitted by readers. Tuscl has the advantage of being a members-only site (to read reviews), and the reviews there seem to be more sincere. Most reviews there are posted by members and it's easy to click on a member's handle to read his/her previous reviews to get an idea if they are legit or not. Stripclublist is open-posting, and the reviews there are more like unmoderated club chat rather than legitmate reviews. Of course, on ANY site, human nature being what it is, alot of bogus reviews are posted by club employees and dancers (promoting themselves and/or dissing other clubs/dancers), pissed off customers who want a little revenge for not getting laid, purposeless trolls, etc. If you read those two sites for a few hours, you'll see what I mean and get a feel for what is probably a legit review and what is probably garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63635#msg63635 date=1074281514
    Thus you'd rule out Melonie for the veteran stripper episode?
    Just to follow up. My statement about features was there are exceptions. It only takes a few seconds around Melonie to realize her feature isn't her only strength.

    To give a better example of how the media has gone wrong- say an interview to get viewpoints from a "Rich Entrepreneur" were conducted. It wouldn't be unusual for the talk shows to latch on to someone that just landed a multi-million dollar inheritence 6 months prior. Obviously, choosing a candidate that has been a millionaire for 5+ years, as well as built their million themselves would be more representative.

    As far as poor behavior being condoned for ratings- that is indeed what's expected of the Jenny Jones/Springer guests. Those shows thrive on ratings from a more absurd and bent perspective on things. A foreigner who's only exposure of American culture was simply through these kinds of shows would obviously have a very distorted vision of how things are here. It's mainly the more serious, day-time talk shows and interview/reports that cause the bad imagery- and these, unfortunately, also seem to pick poor representatives of the industry who aren't acting or trying to increase marketability... they are just incapable.

    Ratings are a two way street as well. It's just simply easier to get high ratings with the absurdly comedic than it is to get high ratings through intellectual and more informative entertainment. It will be interesting to see what avenue your interview may take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63860#msg63860 date=1074354286
    Ratings are a two way street as well. It's just simply easier to get high ratings with the absurdly comedic than it is to get high ratings through intellectual and more informative entertainment. It will be interesting to see what avenue your interview may take.
    I plan to have a mix of shows.

    Some will be deadly serious. For example, we're working on having an episode about three Japanese-Americans that were interned in US concentration camps during WWII.

    Some will be on the farside. For example, we're working on having three history professors to discuss a "What if...?" alternative history scenario. I'm hoping to make these a regular staple of the show.

    Some will be risque. Either the topic and/or the guests. Strippers would fall into this category.

    Some will be relatively mundane. For example, one of the first episodes will interview three computer programmers.

    And some will be meant for just plain fun. For example, later episodes featuring comics and strippers. The first episode of these types will be on the more serious side as they'll be featuring veterans from these professions. This doesn't mean later episodes won't be serious at times, but just that they'll likely have a more fun and light side to them.

    Needless to say, what will really determine the tone of an episode will be the topic and the guests. If the guests are in a goofy mood, the episode will be on the light side. If the guests are all serious, the episode will be likewise. I wouldn't be surprised by an episode of stand-up comics that is deadly serious ... especially if another comic overdoses again (like John Belushi or Chris Farley) or gets killed (like Phil Hartman). Nor would I be all that surprised by a zany episode featuring three accountants. As host, I'll just go with the flow.

    As for ratings, I'm just not going to get too concerned about that. The show will reflect me and my interests. It will be freely and solely available off of peer-to-peer networks and thus operate differently due to this. The difference being that viewers will get to pick and choose from all the episodes publicly released and watch what interests them when it interests them. Currently, if you want to watch Oprah, you have two choices. Either you watch what the show is about that day or you don't watch Oprah. With mine, I give greater choice to viewers and let them determine when they want to watch an episode about a certain topic or guest type.

    And most importantly (at least to me), I'm not going to try to be someone I'm not. If you do that, it just comes back to bite you and kills your show ... as what happened with Rosie O&#039onnell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63731#msg63731 date=1074297340
    I'm wondering why limit the possibilites to 'normal' strippers rather than include a representative from the huge boobie group?
    Just a question here. What do you define as "huge boobie"? If you're the Bridgette that's shown in SW's gallery, I wouldn't put you into the "huge boobie group". I would Melonie ... if she's the Melonie Charm that's shown in the SW gallery. To me, the "huge boobie group" would be those whose breasts no one would think could happen naturally.
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    I definitely wouldn't put myself in the huge boobie group. But strippers like Melonie, yes. And she or someone like her would be GREAT for your veteran stripper show, IMHO. She has extensive experience in all aspects of our business, has travelled widely, is very intelligent, can hold a sophisticated conversation and is damn entertaining too!

    I just think that excluding this type of stripper in a show about veteran strippers would cause you to miss out on a great deal of perspective and, of course, a possible ratings boost

    Ideally, I think a balanced show of this nature would include one veteran from the huge boobie/feature group (preferably one who started as a house dancer and moved up), one from the veteran house dancer group (those who have never been features but have alot of regular club experience), and one from the touring group (those who may or may not have done features but also house dancing, with the majority of their experience being working as a travelling dancer). I think these are the 3 main types of veteran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63897#msg63897 date=1074364760
    I definitely wouldn't put myself in the huge boobie group.
    Ok, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63897#msg63897 date=1074364760
    But strippers like Melonie, yes. And she or someone like her would be GREAT for your veteran stripper show, IMHO. She has extensive experience in all aspects of our business, has travelled widely, is very intelligent, can hold a sophisticated conversation and is damn entertaining too!

    I just think that excluding this type of stripper in a show about veteran strippers would cause you to miss out on a great deal of perspective and, of course, a possible ratings boost

    Ideally, I think a balanced show of this nature would include one veteran from the huge boobie/feature group (preferably one who started as a house dancer and moved up), one from the veteran house dancer group (those who have never been features but have alot of regular club experience), and one from the touring group (those who may or may not have done features but also house dancing, with the majority of their experience being working as a travelling dancer). I think these are the 3 main types of veteran.
    That's the kind of information I've been looking for. Unless someone here disagrees with what you propose, I think I'll discuss this with my guest booker and aim to get these three types on that episode. Might be a bit hard due to its location (Madison, WI), but we'll try the best we can. Hopefully the veteran stripper that contacted me yesterday is still interested. I'm not sure she has a college degree though. If she is still interested, I think she would qualify for the second type you outline above.

    Hmmm. Now as for getting the other two types. Hmmm.

    For the touring stripper, I think my guest booker could try contacting talent agencies that book these. The goal being to snag one of these touring dancers as they pass by Madison. Does that sound like a good idea? If so, which agencies might be good ones to approach about this? All and just see who bites?

    For the big boobie/feature dancers, I guess I'm less sure how to go about this one. Unless Melonie would care to come up and appear on the show.

    My guest booker will also bring up this need for veteran strippers when contacting the local strip clubs. We're looking to establish good relations with them and the dancers that work at their establishments. Saying episodes with strippers are a hit (which I expect them to be), they'll hopefully be a regular staple of the show ... right along with stand-up comics, "What if...?" alternative history scenario discussions, and such.

    If anyone has a better suggestion(s) on how to do the above, I'm all ears.

    And thanks for the help, Bridgette! Hopefully someday I'll be able to have you on the show. Then again, swinging by Madison anytime soon??? You're the type (doubly so as you have a college degree) I'd like to have on the veteran stripper episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63897#msg63897 date=1074364760
    I definitely wouldn't put myself in the huge boobie group. But strippers like Melonie, yes. And she or someone like her would be GREAT for your veteran stripper show, IMHO. She has extensive experience in all aspects of our business, has travelled widely, is very intelligent, can hold a sophisticated conversation and is damn entertaining too!

    I just think that excluding this type of stripper in a show about veteran strippers would cause you to miss out on a great deal of perspective and, of course, a possible ratings boost

    Ideally, I think a balanced show of this nature would include one veteran from the huge boobie/feature group (preferably one who started as a house dancer and moved up), one from the veteran house dancer group (those who have never been features but have alot of regular club experience), and one from the touring group (those who may or may not have done features but also house dancing, with the majority of their experience being working as a travelling dancer). I think these are the 3 main types of veteran.
    I totally agree with you..Melonie is a veteran dancer who is extremely intelligent and has used this profession to truly benefit herself financially. She is a true veteran in my book !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg64775#msg64775 date=1074586853
    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=5840;start=msg63897#msg63897 date=1074364760
    I definitely wouldn't put myself in the huge boobie group. But strippers like Melonie, yes. And she or someone like her would be GREAT for your veteran stripper show, IMHO. She has extensive experience in all aspects of our business, has travelled widely, is very intelligent, can hold a sophisticated conversation and is damn entertaining too!

    I just think that excluding this type of stripper in a show about veteran strippers would cause you to miss out on a great deal of perspective and, of course, a possible ratings boost
    I totally agree with you..Melonie is a veteran dancer who is extremely intelligent and has used this profession to truly benefit herself financially. She is a true veteran in my book !
    I agree. Unfortunately, the show doesn't have a budget to fly her here ... yet ... so I need to look for a local version of her. Does anyone know of one that's within reasonable commuting distance of Madison, Wisconsin? Perhaps as far away as Chicago? Any help would be appreciated.
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    Veteran dancer? Well, I knew a girl who started dancing at 18, she been at the same club ever since. She's 38. Maybe not well travelled, never the less a veteran in my eyes..........
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