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    okay, I'm a house mom at a club in michigan. I get about 8 girls a day...then the night mom comes in and she gets about 19 to 29 girls a day. I don't care if a house mom gets 30 girls a day, the minimum is 5 dollars. it isn't for tampons, it's for our time being there. it isn't for just buying tampons either, the needs are endless. We too have a life. I read where one girl said it's rediculous to pay 10 bucks for tampons. I just have to say to that...."You should be getting ready in your car."
    We appreciate 10 dollars but expect 5, and that's telling us we need to be there. to take care of the girls who can't handle their drinks or their money. tampons, pain reliever, food, water, mirrors, curling iron replacements, dryers, bandaids, tums, whatever you all cry for. we are there. just because you think we make 300 a night, doesn't mean we do, and it goes to our bills as well as your silly needs. Not to mention it takes almost all day for most of the girls to get around to tipping us out. it's B.S. to us as well...but we are there for you. If you don't think you use our stuff then you need a reality check.you bring your bags of stuff in the room, often leaving stuff we have to collect and lock up for you to have the next day.

    You think sitting there waiting for an incident all day is fun, try it. we don't make nearly the money you think and to top it off, if there are 30 girls in your club, the mom is feeding and providing for 30 girls, not just rediculous you. pay your mom 10 bucks, or buy your own things and get ready in your car. P.S. most of you dancers are cry babies who need an ear at one time or another so you don't say the wrong thing to the wrong person and get the wrong impression of you throughout the bar. We are there to provide that for you. Duh! If you think we are rediculously paid, then use the bathroom to get ready and stay out of our wipes when those perverted guys happen to cum on you. If you aren't tipping the mom's 10 bucks, then you are a stingy person who should not even be dancing. and when you give us your 10 bucks, say thank you. We appreciate it as much as you do. I am so mad at the post I read about house moms being overpaid. We too have family's and our job isn't cakes and tea. It's keeping your secrets and shopping for your needs on our own time usually weekends. I wish I were paid to shop as well, but I suppose that is part of the minimal pay. whatever the case, high maintenance girls are not cheap and half of our money earned goes into buying the stuff you think you don't need until you fall off the stage or get cum on your clothing and use our wipes and alcohol. Appreciate your moms!!!!!!

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    ha! I'm with you there. Good psot!

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    While I question the feasibility of a club having a house mom for a shift consisting of only eight girls, I totally agree that house moms do provide an indespensible service - if you do in fact provide dressing room security, supplies (tampons, baby wipes, makeup etc.), and psychological counseling/referee services. As a somewhat older dancer, in clubs that do not have house moms I'm often pressed into service to provide the same sorts of things - but without getting paid anything for it. I agree with you totally that many of today's new dancers severely need a house mom to keep their butts on track and to help them deal with the harsh realities of dancing.

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    Well I find this post a bit RUDE. "ridiculous you"? Please, you won't get any sympathy or extra tips with that attitude. You didn't pay for that dressing room - that's what I pay the damn house fees for. I have to say, the only reason I tip a housemom even $5 is because I feel sorry for her doing all the crap she does for the other lazyass girls who don't tip. I DON'T use her services - not her tampons, her wipes, her breath mints, tissues, snacks, NOTHING. I don't come crying to her when I have a problem. I don't spend time in the dressing room at all other than getting dressed and freshening up occasionally. I don't leave a mess, I throw all my trash away and I don't leave my 'crap' sitting out. On the RARE occasion I happen to run out of wipes - we're talking maybe a handful of times in the past 8.5 years, or need to borrow some thread to mend an outfit (which I do MYSELF), I do throw a few extra bucks in her tipjar. Yeah I know most girls take the housemom for granted, are a pain in the ass and leave messes unnecessarily, but that attitude is bullshit and I'll be damned if I pay a housemom $10 when she does absolutely NOTHING for me. I get so SICK of people extending their anger at CERTAIN girls onto all of us, and all the bad attitudes walking around with their damned hands out expecting a "tip".

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    You sound kinda like a mean mom.

    What if a girl had such a crappy shift that she was barely able to pay her house? Would you be mad if you didn't receive the $5 minimum?


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    Wow! With that attitude I can see why your girls don't want to tip you. And with only 8 girls on shift you aren't even necessary. Maybe you should ge a better job where you don't have to put up with us whiny-cum-stained-drunken strippers and we'll happily replace you with a vending machine.

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    I am so glad I can remember to keep my personal items in my work bag. I see a new job in your future. Mariah your idea of a vending machine is awsome! We can stock it together.
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    LOL Mariah. Exactly. I was thinking this chick most definitely should get another job. She is obviously not cut out for this industry.

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    i too find that post to be very rude ....i personally have my own stuff and never look to a "house mom" for help for anything ....and to think the we spend so much money in house fees .... you are acting like we owe you guys ( well maybe some of the girls do) ..i personally don't owe any house mom anything ....i know how to go out and get my own stuff... i find your post to be very offensive ...and if you are soo upset with the girls then you can always find another job no one is forcing you to do what you do ...sorry i don't mean to be rude but i found your post to be very offensive....fact is we work just as hard or even harder for our money
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    Well if i had this house mom ALL the time to give me anything i needed, i would pay out the $10, gladly. But the club i worked (only 3 clubs for many years) we did not have a house mom who was that willing to help i have noticed. She was always with customers! Talking, laughing and drinking. I heard a few times "be right there hun" only to NOT be right there.

    We had good house moms and bad ones. But i don't expect them to wipe our ass, like she seems to do. AND the house moms where i worked are not allowed to give out meds. Yep, even tylenol, we had to bring our own.

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    I try to tip my housemom more than the minimum not because of the stuff she does, but what she's capable of doing. I've had her throw me some big spending customers and I've had her lobby to get a particularly annoying girl fired. She also fills me in on all the gossip and sticks up for me when the other girls talk shit about me in the dressing room.

    They have a lot of leverage with the management too, so if you want better shifts, an easier time calling out, want to go home early, etc. they can help.

    I agree this housemom that started this thread is a bit harsh, but I do find that a couple of extra bucks to my housemom goes a long way.

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    Yikes! I'm required to pay our housemom $20 per day. She's a nice lady but she doesn't do all that much for me. It's a small day shift and the girls are not drama queens--we don't really need a chaperone. I can bring a lunch, clean up after myself, and do my job without a babysitter. Still, I'd be pretty happy to tip her $10 a day, but I feel $20 is too much.

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    Emily, in your case your housemom tip is money well spent. I would happily tip a housemom who did all that, but I've never seen one who did.

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    A couple of extra bucks? Not only is she complaining-hypocritically I might add-she is demanding a set dollar amount for YES tampons, odds and ends. Who is being stingy? Suppose a girl doesn't want her services? She is not there for everyone, only the ones that need her. and YES I agree that they are obligated to tip. But I don't harbor a soft spot for anyone who demands money from me for nothing. I will refuse to pay. We work for tips too, and we do not expect payment for services not rendered. If I don't talk to you or use any of your products, you have no cause to ask me for anything. Period.

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    Sounds like you need a "REAL" job... not waiting for your $5 handout from the dancers. I've worked with housemoms maybe twice in six years. I don't mind tipping if I use their supplies, which I never did. I always had my own shit, even down to the mints and tampons. I agree that if there are only up to eight dancers on the day shift, you better start looking else where or maybe dance there yourself!!

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    No, my attitude was to the poster who said that we are(as house moms) rediculously paid. No, I don't expect the gilrs to pay if they aren't making money. I tell my girls, it's a minimum of 5 and I often let them go free when the business is slow. However, I must say that I didn't intend my original post to be rude or intended intirely for all dancers. I love my girls. I'm trying to make the point that being a house mom isn't as easy as the poster who had said we are rediculously paid thinks it is. I apologize if I offended any of the girls who do tip well. The daily thing I face is girls who take advantage of me....like the ones who ask me to bring in a specific drink (monster low carb) or specific wipes or food such as the ever merry vegetarian dishes. The girls who come in and say "I haven't made much, I'll get you next time!" and then use this excuse everytime thereafter. I understand where the girls are coming from when they say they don't use our stuff....but stepping into the dressing room is using our stuff. 10 bucks should be a good enough tip out. and yeah, the business in michigan is very slow these days so it is a wonder why the bar would need a house mom. I suppose it's for the same reason as the bar stays open...in case it does get busy. Anyway, what I am saying is that most of the dancers don't appreciate their moms until they need them, and that's not right.
    I do happen to sew....sorry about your luck to the girl who has to sew her own stuff...that would never happen in my dressing room. The girls who don't use our stuff, fine, whatever....I have no gripe with that, but please don't think our job as a house mom is easy.
    I might add, I have never demanded a girl pay out to me when she can't and have never told a girl she can't use my things. I'm not saying that I expect a 10 dollar fee, all I'm saying is that it's respectful. Just like you expect customers to give you extra here or there. As much as you hate a guy to come in to a bar and oogle without getting a dance, is the way it feels to be a housemom and not get tipped a minimum fee of 5 dollars. all I am saying is that if you need us, show your respect, if you don't think we deserve it then please let us know how to better ourselves for you or don't step foot into our dressing room that you supposedly don't need. Though we don't pay for the room, we do provide the needs (cleaning the room, the mirrors, etc..) take it as you will. I spend at least 50-100 bucks a week on my girls, because I love them and respect them and never judge them. I only expect the same respect. trust me when I say, I don't even take money from a girl who has had a bad day...(no dances, no money, etc...) but when I go into the fourth day of getting not even five dollars, I have to wonder if they are taking advantage of me. some of you may think I'm rude, but I'm sorry.... I am very devoted to my girls. my post was mainly in reply to a post I had read earlier from a girl who said they don't need us. You never know when you will need us but when the time comes, we are there. :'( forgive my attitude if you are not taking advantage of us mom's. please also know this...there has been times when I get word from the DJ that a girl who normally pays well, doesn't get many dances...she offered me 10 when she couldn't afford it and I told her I would take only 5, because I knew she had a bad day. same with new girls...I don't want them discouraged from a bad first day, I don't charge on their first day. I tell all of my girls to pay me what they think I'm worth and nothing more. The topic of my post is that 5 dollars is a minimum. When you do have it, we do appreciate it.
    my shift ends at 7pm, I don't want to be there until 7:30 waiting on a girl who ends up telling me that she can't get me today. It's fine if any of the girls can't get me, but please don't leave me waiting overtime for nothing, let me know before my shift ends. I have no problem with that...it just shows us respect even if you can't pay out that day. Thank you for reading my posts and taking our job as serious as we take yours. I know you all work hard, it's a tough job dancing and working your bodies to do so...believe me, I have a lot of respect for dancers. I just hope you all respect us too.

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    It's redundant. We've spent the time and money to actually be prepared to work, but "must" pay someone else to keep the same supplies on hand, which we don't need. We must pay house fees to rent the dressing room, and also must pay someone another fee just for the priviledge of stepping into a dressing room we've already rented. It's hard to see respect for the dancer in that scenario. Sounds more like a scam to extract the last tipping dollar out of her.
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    Had someone at the door; this is the rest of the post.

    Anyways, the whole housemom thing seems redundant. But in your specific case, I think the problem has gone from the girls to you. As they say, take advantage of me once then shame on you; take advantage of me twice... shame on me. If I had as customer who expected service and extraordinary demands met with no promise of payment (indeed, oftentimes not paying anything!) then he would soon find himself without vivacious red-headed company.

    It's high time you stopped mollycoddling your girls, because they're taking outrageous advantage of you as is evident from your frustrated post. If someone who doesn't tip asks for your services, you don't necessarily have to deny her. Simply say, "Q-Tips? Sure I have q-tips. I also have that energy drink you requested. What say you give me $3 now and we'll call it square." It will soon become clear to the girls that good tippers get service; bad tippers or girls skiffing you on payment entirely have to pay up front for every service. This will become evident all the sooner if you go above and beyond for the best tippers, such as finding them great customers or anything else mentioned in Emily's post.

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    Damn, this housemom thing get on my nerves! I worked at one club where we had a housemom that we had to tip $20. That's ridiculous considering I never used her services and she was kind of bitchy. The housemom where I work now, well one of them was bitching about having a mandatory tip-out. I told her I don't use or stuff and never intend on using it, so I don't think I should have to give her anything. I have tipped her twice for nothing when I made a lot of money and she has never said thank you. Housemoms, in my opinion, are not needed for a lot of girls. I have my own tampons, make-up, I order food, and anything else I need I buy it before I come in. Just think with the money you are giving these housemoms for their one wipe or celery stick, you can buy way more of that shit in a convenience store. Yes, I think your comments were harsh and rude. You did use the word "stripper" in general instead of just talking about the girls at your club. Btw, getting cum on your clothes = get a new job for those dancers. You should not be taking care of that or working at a place with those kinds of issues. Just my 2 cents.

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    I don't think she actually intended to be insulting us specifically. It sounds like she's been having trouble with useless dancers who 1) can't pack a proper work bag and 2) expect her to do everything for them without being paid accordingly. She's probably got good cause to be a little cheesed off and wanted to vent about it here, but it came off sounding like she was bitching about all strippers as a whole when she really only meant girls in her club.

    But I do concur with the rest of it. Housemom likely knows who needs her services and who gets along just fine without her. To let the girls who use her products get away without paying and also demanding tipouts from girls who do NOT need her, sounds like a scam. Requiring up-front payment for Housemom's products as well as going out of her way to be of service to the other girls would, IMO, vastly improve both her work situation and her income. I personally would never need a housemom but you can bet your sweet bippy I would tip the hell out of someone who brought me business or fired the annoying skeevy dancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by housemom link=board=6;threadid=5865;start=msg64117#msg64117 date=1074441642
    I understand where the girls are coming from when they say they don't use our stuff....but stepping into the dressing room is using our stuff
    NO NO NO. Since you didn't PAY for that dressing room, simply stepping into it is NOT using your stuff. Furthermore, if I don't leave a mess, you don't clean up after me, so why the hell should I pay you to clean up after the OTHER girls? The clubs have cleaners who come in and clean the club and dressing room after closing, and that is part of what I pay the club fees for. Paying a housemom for same when I'm not even leaving a mess is ridiculous.

    all I'm saying is that it's respectful. Just like you expect customers to give you extra here or there
    No I don't expect customers to give me extra. I expect the price of a dance, and if they give me extra, fine, I thank them appreciatively for the GENEROSITY. If I give a housemom a TIP when she has done absolutely NOTHING for me, not even having to clean a mess I made, she should appreciate my GENEROSITY. I do pay for services rendered (which is a rare occurence in my case), but I am not in the business of distributing handouts.


    I was about to state that I think you are at least partially at fault in your case, but Lilith has beat me to it. I would add that you are there to work and make money, not to 'love the girls'. If a girl who doesn't tip you asks for something, you should respond with something like "I would be happy to mend your outfit / give you a couple tampons / wipes / whatever, for an appropriate tip. I have to purchase all these supplies myself, and they do get expensive." If she says she'll 'get you later', then you should respond with, "Well then I'll happily take care of your needs later," end of story. Regarding the messes, when you see them leaving a mess, just politely remind them not to leave their things out because you are not going to be responsible for them, and if they're not going to pay you for cleaning their trash, they need to clean it up. You have let them know they can take advantage of you by letting them slide on tipping but still taking care of them, and now the only way to repair the situation is to get tough. Perhaps a friendly note strategically placed on the dressing room mirrors would help also. I have seen housemoms put printed sheets up saying things like "I am not your mother so if you expect me to take care of you, you have to take care of me." They'll learn what you teach them.

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    What I don't understand is....if you guys have a housemom that brings this stuff, and you pay her for it, why don't you use it?

    And I've had guys come on me a few times. I think it's really gross, but not that bad that I will seek out a new job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily link=board=6;threadid=5865;start=msg64191#msg64191 date=1074452745
    What I don't understand is....if you guys have a housemom that brings this stuff, and you pay her for it, why don't you use it?
    A middleman always increases the cost of products for the final consumer. For example: Housemom says that $5 is the minimum for NOT needing her. She wants $10 for using her supplies or services. I work 4-7 days a week; at $10 a night, that is $40-70 per week and $160-280 per month.

    My Costs for the Month:
    Tampons- $6
    Wipes- $0.50 (economy bag, of which I use a fraction every month)
    Mint Gum- 0.88 per week, but let's round up for $4 a month
    Snacks- $18 (big bag o' sunflower seeds, Combos and Junior Mints @ $4.50 per week)
    Sewing and Notions- $13 last month (Monday night is mending/tailoring night)

    Total- $41.50

    Housemom's products cost from 4 to 7 times more expensive than those same products that I can buy myself, which is financially foolish. Just as I wouldn't pay $24-42 for a single box of tampons (price inflated 4-7 times the normal cost), I won't allow a housemom to overcharge me for services.

    But that's a moot point, as I've yet to have a housemom. I pack a work bag which is loaded for bear; I was also brought up right. If I use it, I replace it. If I spill it, I clean it up. If I get it out, I also put it away when I'm done. If I did have a housemom, I would tip her if I needed her and I would fully support her right to tips from lazier dancers. I would also tip the hell out of her if she sent me business or performed services for me. But I will not pay $10 a night for a redundant person to sit in a dressing room of which my house fees have already paid my nightly rent.
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    But you are already paying for it! You aren't paying extra. You aren't obligated to pay extra. Your minimum covers that stuff.

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    I understand where the girls are coming from when they say they don't use our stuff....but stepping into the dressing room is using our stuff.
    if ths is the case then why the heck do i pay house fees ??? ??? ???
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