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    I know there are plenty of clubs in Arizona but I was wondering about the average money girls make in both the good and bad seasons. I'll be moving there for school in a few months (University of Arizona) and I'd like to continue dancing. What clubs should I check out? I'm from the east coast (D.C.) so if anyone knows how the two areas compare I'd appreciate it.
    Also, would it be worth the commute to vegas to dance? If anyone has done it let me know.
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    I've posted many times on AZ, I suggest you scroll old threads in the Club Chat and Club Review sections.

    Az is very much a "wanna dance" environment. Table dances are $10 for 3 minutes. Jan-mid April is the busiest time of year, the long hot summers are very slow, fall season sept-nov is decent, but not as busy as the spring.

    There is no average. It depends on your ability to upsell champagne hours (200/hour for you). I work with girls that consistently pull in 1000/night for 5 hours. I also work with girls that are ecstatic when they make 300 for a 6 hour shift.

    You mentioned that you were from DC. Have you worked in any other cities? I ask because I find that the way I work in AZ is very different from my strategies in Vegas, which were different from my sales tactics in San Francisco. DC doesn't have lap dances....(I've always wondered how you made money there???) so if you've never done one, you'd better learn quick.

    Since the dance cost is very low ($10) in AZ, guys tend to say yes more frequently because it's not that much of an investment if they don't like your style. Therefore, you have to learn to not invest too much time selling it...one song MAX of chatting before you close your sale. Conversely, I've found in Vegas, that $20 is a bit more of an investment for them, so they usually want to get to know you a bit better before you can close the sale. I'll chat for a song or 2 before I set up to close.

    Bridgette, if you are reading this, how have you made out on your AZ trip? Did you work at Christies?
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    I work in AZ at the moment. I've worked in a bunch of clubs out here and find they vary wildly. Per capita, I think Phoenix has way more beautiful women that the other cities I've worked in, including LA and Honolulu, but earning potential depends largely on your sales ability.
    I'm not pushy, I don't make a lot of money, I've never adapted well to having to do lap dances to make money (my stage money in Hawaii was way better than on the mainland), and I prefer to work the day shift when you don't have to be as pushy.
    You can find Phoenix topless club reviews at
    http://www.phoenixtopless.com/Whats_new.htm

    I like Skin Cabaret the best. If you're not bothered by men irritated by pushy dancers the old Christie's is good, as is Bourbon Street (you will have to cover large tattoos if you have them). I thought Hi-Liter was kind of sleazy and even during the day the men seem kind of irritated because someone tries to sell a dance at least 4 times per song.
    If you happen to be blue/blonde/athletic, Babe's (like Skin) is right down the road from ASU and stays busy, but I'm not joking about the blonde/blue thing, its the whitest bar I've ever set foot in. Sometimes, there's a single brunette for variety but not often.

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    I'll tell you the scoop on Arizona. And you are in Tucson. AZ is a "wanna dance" place and dances historically have only been $5. Guys are used to buying dances from multiple girls since they are inexpensive. Dancers are not allowed to drink while working and not much sitting with customers is done as you need to get 6-7 dances per hour sold to make money.

    Dances have gone up to $7-$10 in most clubs now and some have VIP or champagne area but they don't get a lot of action, although some girls sell a few each night.

    If you are only working 5-6 hour shifts, do the math. You don't always sell 6-7 dances per hour. You will make anywhere from $70-$150 per shift in mediocre and bad times and $200-$300 is a good night. House fees vary by club and are around $25 per 5 hours in many plus DJ and bouncer tip outs. Some clubs will let you work over or come in early for an extra house fee.

    If you want more consistent money IF you can work 4-1 you have a better chance of having a decent night by getting happy hour and night customers.

    Vegas is a hard place to commute to, not from the driving sense as that is easy, but to get hired takes time as well as getting your paperwork. I am there now working and clubs have a lot of girls and 3 shifts a day as they are open 24 hours, so night shift isn't a given, and clubs don't hire all the time. It may take 4 weeks or so in Vegas to get your Sheriffs Card, go from club to club to get hired and you may have to work in a less desireable club while you keep going back to the clubs you really want to get hired in, and then you may get hired on the 5-1AM shift or on days.

    I'm not trying to discourage you but giving you the real scoop.

    El Paso is only 4 hours from Tucson and Prince Machiavelli is a lucrative club. Dances are $10 but you sell lots of them. This club attracts business travelers and you could do better than Tucson there. Just go in at 8 and ask for Gus.

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    I've been in AZ for two months now, and I like it. Dances are so easy to sell it's ridiculous. You don't sit and chat, just 'wannadance'. Like Britney said, at the MOST you might chat for ONE song before getting the dance or moving on. I turn 10-12 dances per hour pretty consistently, $10 each. No VIP, just straight lapdances. Do the math. Of course everyone doesn't do that many dances, but it's possible if you keep moving on the floor and don't spend time in the dressing room. House fees and tipouts are reasonable, so you actually get to keep most of the money you make.

    When I came here I stayed a few days in Phoenix and then a few in Tucson. I liked Phoenix better and made more money, so I stayed in Phoenix. If you're going to Tucson, Phoenix is only 2 hours away. With the working environment in Vegas lately, I wouldn't bother trying to commute there. Living expenses are pretty reasonable here, and money is fairly consistent.

    Britney, I'm doing fine, wound up staying in Phoenix. Been working at the Hi-Liter, it's such easy money there it's ridiculous. Been thinking of checking out Bourbon Street Circus too. Wound up not going to Christie's, that whole merchandise thing is too big a turnoff. I'd get pissed off about that real quick. Anywhoo, I'm liking it here. Only prob is I'm bored as hell! Don't know anyone, all I do is work and sit home. Bleh!

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    Bridgette, Hi-Liter is a good club for you.You seem to have an upbeat personality and I can picture you selling dances easily there. They have a good mixed clientele and have business even during the day. Even though things will start slowing down in Phoenix over the next several weeks, that club should still do better than most.It's been there along time and has pretty dancers. Christies is more of a facade for the guys and you will notice the drop in business there more during the summer.

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    Tina that's the feeling I get too. Hi-Liter gets alot of travellers, but lots of local regulars too. Crowd is well-mixed and pretty much everybody comes to buy dances. The regs are pretty loyal to the club too. I know we're about to hit the slow-down, but from what I can tell Hi-Liter should still do ok. And yeah, I fit right in at this club, it's pretty much perfect for me.

    I'm wondering why the comment was made above about this club being sleazy though. I haven't seen anything more than straight lapdances going on, and it's so crowded and open with cameras everywhere it'd be hard to get away with much. I have heard about things going on in the past, but apparently that's not the deal anymore. One girl did get arrested recently for letting some guy finger her, but that is certainly not the norm here. That girl was fired and banned from the club too. They are also pretty good about keeping customers in line. I do watch pretty carefully whenever I start a new club to see what is going on - I wanna know what the customers are getting and what is expected. Anyway I work nights, and dayshift is more loose in most clubs so who knows? Maybe dayshift is 'sleazy'.

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    Hello again,

    I'm a bit of a nomad so I wandered away last summer but my school schedule means I get to stay through the pleasantly stifling AZ summer. Do either of the two ladies currently working in the Phoenix area have any advice on which clubs might not completely die during the summer?
    I kind of quit my club in Chandler and am going up to Scottsdale today to see about going back to Skin but if you have another recommendation for summer, I would love to hear it.
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    And Bridgette, please don't be offended by my comment about Hi-Liter. It was not meant as a personal attack, it was a reflection of my experiences and some things I read on a city council report on adult businesses in Phoenix.

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    Well I did do some checking and apparently there WAS some stuff going on for certain big-spending customers a while back, but there was a bust and they had to clean up. Girls have also said that those certain customers don't come in anymore, but I can't see that it matters. The place is so busy all the time it's crazy! Straight laps, that's it. In the two months I've been there I haven't seen anything more than that either.

    Anyway, regarding the question about which clubs might not totally die in summer, I'm thinking Hi-Liter will still do ok in summer. They have lots of loyal regulars. I haven't been to any of the other clubs yet as I've been happy at Hi-Liter, so I can't speak about them. Been thinking of checking out Bourbon Street Circus too though....

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    Bourbon Street day shift has "normal" girls but the night shift is barbie barbie barbie. not necessarily PRETTY barbie's, just barbie bodies. Skin has the consistently 10 girls. Skin opened shortly before I moved out of Phoenix, so I'm not sure what the money is like there.

    I worked at the Hi-Liter for a while (along with Christie's and -oh crap - mind blank - the club at 42nd & Thomas ish?, by the McD's?). lots of nice girls.

    Bridgette - if Tantra (slim, dark hair, into Wicca) or Nadia (dark-blond hair, loud, partier) still work there, tell them both that Tanha (Tawn-ah) says HI from Iowa.

    Nadia is a good person to socialize with if you're bored - she's super friendly and talks to everyone. she travels to NM and tucson a lot though so I don't know how much she's around. I've known her for years - she's young (22) and parties a lot so is kinda flaky - but a good heart and will love to show you around town.

    have fun in the AZ sun (god i miss it.... although the $$ there sucks in the summer)

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    Bridgette,

    I wondered what happened to you! I'm glad you are doing well at Hi-Liter....do you know what happened last week over there with the shooting in the parking lot? An acqaintance of mine works the "sleazy" day shift and said that they closed up and she had to go home about an hour into her shift. Funny, she says the opposite though, that the night shift is sleazy and ghetto and the day shift is more white-collar business oriented. Isn't it hilarious how we dancers can really slam each other, even when we work at the same clubs!!!!

    I agree with Christie's extravaganzas, they are a pain. But, I have ALWAYS worked at chain clubs, so I just take it as something I have to do....I've always done it so I don't know anything else. I think most of us pretty much have the entire stock of merchandise in our lockers. I just ask the guys if they want it (usually the answer is no) and re-sell the stuff over and over again. I'm just kinda bummed I didn't get to meet you! I totally thought you'd be a VIP queen!

    As for AZ business....it has been BUSY! I broke my long-standing money record this month!!! Even compared to when I worked at $20/dance and 3 for $100 clubs! Christie's is having problems with not enough girls. Honestly, I don't know what happened to all of them, but the housemoms are actually calling girls on on friday and sat nights because only 35-40 are showing up and they usually run 80-90! So, this past month we'll have 300-500 customers in this HUGE 11,000 square foot building with only 40 dancers! I was turning 25 dances an hour and had the next three lined up even before I was finished with they guy I was dancing for! A stripper's wet dream! Phew...I love spring training!!!!

    April and May are not as crazy, but you still have Bike Week, Drag Races, and vacationing golfers from the upper Mid-west where it is still icy and cold.

    As for summer, don't sweat it. You still have your business travelers and baseball. Not to mention that Phoenix has is the 6th largest city in the nation. There are over 4 million permanent residents. Plan your schedule around the D-backs home games. Christie's was still standing room only on those nights. The weekday volume is not as hectic, but the higher-dollar business travelers make up for it. Plan on making 20% less than what you made Jan-March. I myself am taking much of the summer off (my wedding/honeymoon in July and my new boobies in August)

    As for contact...yes, Phoenix has gotten much handsier in the past year. At Christie's it's up to us to handle it. Security only steps in if we give them a nod. I haven't seen anything too bad dancer-customer...but a lot of dancers have taken the girl/girl double dances a bit too far up in VIP (myself included)

    Sabre, good luck in your search. Keep in mind that you just need to find the club that works best for YOU. You WILL NOT make money if you're not comfortable in your working atmosphere (i.e. clientele, dress code, room decor, management, etc).

    I happen to have found a home at Christie's and have not had a truly horrible night since I started there. Personally, I like to wear like the high energy hustle, wearing long gowns, and giving "gifts" with my dances. I think I've prospered there because my business philosophy is akin to the way Christie's does business.

    Also realize that YOU ARE IN SALES. You are selling a product (dances, your time) and you need to market your product to the proper demographic. A girl who likes to wear bootie shorts and do the ass shake isn't going to prosper at Christies because it doesn't fit in with the upscale environment. And yes, I'm 6 feet tall, with long blonde extentions to my ass, athletic build and 36C natural boobs.

    But...that's my point, it's all supply and demand. I supply the 'tall blonde amazon" fantasy that Christies' clientele demands. There are other girls that supply the busty latina, rail thin model, body builder, ballet dancer, etc fetishes as well. The dancers that don't supply a certain "look" at Christies tend to fall between the cracks and only pull 150-300 a night.

    Find a club where you can supply a look where there is a demand for and lack of supply. If I were 4 inches shorter and 30 lbs lighter I would probably lose my niche market. Judging from your prior post, are you Hawaiian or Asian? If so, you are at a HUGE advantage over the girls who are 5'6 115 lbs with fake D boobs. Use it!

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    A shooting in the parking lot at Hi-Liter last week? I haven't heard anything about that. Is your friend sure??? I'm thinking surely if there were a shooting in the parking lot I'd have heard about it!

    Sleazy dayshift LOL. That was just a passing comment based on past experiences and present experiences. Most clubs don't run as many bouncers in daytime and customers are ALWAYS going on about how dayshift at any club is better because it's 'looser'. The night girls at Hi-Liter all say they couldn't handle the mileage in day, and the day girls all say they hate the 'ghetto punks' who come in at night. LOL! There are alot of punk guys (wouldn't really call most of them ghetto though) at night, but they are easy. Sometimes I run into some older guys who says they're normally day guys, and invariably they're way more handsy than the 'ghetto punks' at night. I guess it depends on whose definition of 'sleazy'. I don't have anything to say about day vs night girls. I don't know the day girls. Anyway it was just a comment in passing, I certainly don't rag on the day girls.

    I've worked in all sorts of clubs, and I find the merchandise sales particularly distasteful, although if I'm making significantly more money I can put up with it! I like the high energy hustle too; Hi-Liter is definitely high energy, the place is packed like crazy most of the time. It is not a 'chill' kinda place. VIP queen, LOL. Well I guess I could be, have been at other clubs Maybe I'll have to go check it out.

    WOW 25 dances an hour - that's some damn short songs! Hah and I thought the 3 minute songs at Hi-Liter were kinda short. One thing I was also concerned about at Christie's was the low VIP rates. I think I read the highest you get there is like $100/hour? Hell for that I'd rather stay on the floor, I'm making that at Hi-Liter anyway with just laps. But then if they're cutting the songs short enough to turn 25 per hour at Christie's.....

    I'm not an assshaker or booty shorts kind of girl. I do like being able to wear different outfits, but I like the long gowns too! I guess what I'm saying is I can work pretty much any type of club, so I guess I need to check out Christie's, especially if $$$ potential is so much better over there. Actually I think I need to check out more of the clubs here period. Go as a customer and scope them out. Haven't done that at all yet. duh

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    Britney must have meant 25 songs in 2 hours. If the average song is between 3-4 minutes long, that is only about 15-18 songs played an hour.

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    I was thinking maybe 15 in an hour? I can totally see that, our DJs are supposed to play the songs 3-3:30, or roughly 18 songs per hour. I know there've been times I was turning 15 per hour, but that's not every night. 10-12 is usually my norm, or 8 on slower nights. But, if they cut the songs to 2 minutes, it would be totally possible to run 25 per hour. I wanna work at a club where that's going on!

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    Wow, typo!! Sorry bout that! I had cut and pasted a few sentences and that slipped through my proofread. I had intended to write that I'd turned a PROFIT equal to 25 dances (with tips included)

    The songs tend to be shorter at the end of the night, and very long during the day shift. I'd say there's probably 15 songs/hour (4 min each) during the day shift when there are fewer girls on stage rotation. At happy hour when they go to a two girl on stage rotation, they'll cut them shorter (about 3.5 min) When the night hustle starts, there's twenty 3 minute songs per hour. After last call when they close the stages, the songs are about 2 minutes each, with the DJ emphasizing that THIS is "the last song" I counted 8 "last chances" on Saturday night and made $120 in the last 16 minutes.

    Again, it was supply and demand. IF a customer knows that there is another guy behind him waiting for you, he'll pay you more than $10/song to keep you there. When you add in tips and guys who give you $20, $50 or $100 per song (yep, I got a $100 dance last week) you can easily make 250/hour on the floor.

    As for your question about VIP, the Club has a MINIMUM charge of $100/hour for the dancer's time. They want us to upsell the champagne, so the different sections have different minumums. So basically, it's up to you to negotiate a price with your customer.

    This past week, however, I saw a distinct drop in weeknight volume (bye bye spring training!) But the weekend was nuts because of the baseball games at BOB. This is how summer will pan out.

    Oh, and be sure to go in early on Tuesday night. The opening game for the DBacks is at 3, so the clubs will fill up by 5 pm!

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    Ok right on! Yeah I get alot of tips for dances too, but I don't have time to count all that, I only manage to keep track of the dances and I only really remember the BIG tips LOL! I had some dude give me $200 for 4 dances recently, but not $100 per song - you go! But it sounds like I should probably check Christie's out. It seems you're getting more big tippers in there, go figure

    Heh, I hear girls talking at work about Christie's, and they talk alot of trash! Isn't that just the way?

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    I think trash talking is just what some people resort to when they lack a better method of expressing themselves. In order to boost themselves or their current situation, they knock the competition.

    I've noticed the same day-girl/night-girl cattiness at EVERY club I've ever worked at. I also watch girls that emphatically proclaim "Christie's sucks...I'm going to Hi-Liter/Bourbon/Babes" Some stay, and others come back after a few months saying "it sucked over there" I think anyone with that kind of negative attitude is going to suck anywhere!

    I don't think Christie's is any better than Hi-Liter/Babes/Bourbon. I've heard great things about all of them; and I think you there is money to be made at all of them. A $10 dance is a $10 dance regardless of where you doing it. I do think that a lack of VIP room makes it difficult to break the 500 mark though.

    Personally, I find Christie's work environment to be most conducive for my personality, sales philosophy, and target client demographic. If Hi-Liter is working for you, then you don't need to fix what's not broken.

    However, if you haven't checked out your other options, you may want to see what else is out there. I really liked Bourbon's $20 dance VIP, Babes supposedly has a new VIP room, but I don't know the details.
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    I just found this on azcentral.com
    Apr. 6, 2004 12:32 PM


    The Senate on Tuesday approved a bill to permit alcoholic beverage sales until 2 a.m., an hour later than now permitted under state law.

    The bill already has been approved by the House, and the Senate's 19-to-11 vote means it now goes to Gov. Janet Napolitano.

    Aside from changing the last hour for alcohol sales from 1 a.m. to 2 a.m., the bill also would extend the time that patrons can finish their last drinks at bars or restaurants from 1:15 a.m. to 2:30 a.m.

    Supporters include the Arizona Tourism Alliance, the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and industry groups representing bars, restaurants, hotels and convenience, liquor and grocery stores.

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    Britney I know that I've posted this before *somewhere* on this site.... (maybe even on this thread, I'm a scatterbrain right now)..... but if PARIS (long blonde hair, huge beautiful blue eyes, rail thin, main dressing room) still works at Christie's, PLEASE tell her hello from Crystal.

    Thanks so much.
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    ok this is kinda ot(in fact its wayyyy ot) Kali do you pronounce you name cali? or do you pronounce it k(long a)l(long e)?My youngest daughters name is Kali and we pronounce it k long a) l (long e)

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    I pronounce it Cali, like California. I got the name from the Hindu goddess Kali (but I don't know how she pronounces it LOL). She's the goddess of feminine protection and has been known to devour her men. ROTFL!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland link=board=4;threadid=6349;start=msg92917#msg92917 date=1081280985
    I just found this on azcentral.com
    Apr. 6, 2004 12:32 PM


    The Senate on Tuesday approved a bill to permit alcoholic beverage sales until 2 a.m., an hour later than now permitted under state law.

    The bill already has been approved by the House, and the Senate's 19-to-11 vote means it now goes to Gov. Janet Napolitano.

    Aside from changing the last hour for alcohol sales from 1 a.m. to 2 a.m., the bill also would extend the time that patrons can finish their last drinks at bars or restaurants from 1:15 a.m. to 2:30 a.m.

    Supporters include the Arizona Tourism Alliance, the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and industry groups representing bars, restaurants, hotels and convenience, liquor and grocery stores.

    I heard about this too! Woooooohooooooo! IMO this is long overdue. I've never heard of any other area where liquor sales had to stop at 1am everyday. Another hour to make money! Yeah! **crossing fingers that governor signs it**

    Britney, I'm in full agreement with you on the this club, that club, dayshift, nightshift issue. Having worked in so many clubs I can work just about anywhere and make money - the only thing I really care about is that expected mileage isn't too high.

    I also agree that the lack of VIP makes it difficult at best for me to break the 500 (net) mark - haven't done it yet, but close. There are just so many dances you can do in 3.5 hours! You are also right about the girls who constantly talk trash and for whom every place sucks. I generally keep my mouth shut around them because all I want to do with them is point out that it might not suck so badly if their attitudes weren't so crappy - which doesn't accomplish anything except maybe pissing them off.

    So I'll try to get in for an audition at Christie's this week or next. I'm doing the Miss Hi-Liter contest this month though, so don't want to stray too far from the regular voting customers there - I'm getting some god regs who will vote for me when the time comes

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    Lmao thats where we got the name too...and my Kali lives up to the goddess of destruction part of the name, that kid will destroy anything and everything in her path to get what she wants lol

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    Insofar as AZ is concerned, I have to disagree about the whole dayshift/nightshift nasty factor difference. There is none.

    I've been coming to Phoenix every year for the last 15 years for Spring Training, going to ball games in the day, golfing in the late afternoon, and then SCing late into the night (or as I call it: baseball, bogeys and boobs). Hi-Liter is by far my fave club when I go, and I generally arrange my hotel accomodations for easy access to the club.

    I bought probably around 250 laps this year at around 10 different clubs (still haven't done my review, yet), and the differences in what passes for nasty here (mild stick shifting, the occasional quick nipple nibble) is strictly on a girl-by-girl basis. Last year there were two girls at this club who gave me near LA mileage (!!!) there; both were night shift gals. This year, the best mileage I received was from a Christy Canyon look-a-like who took a whole lot of my money and was worth every penny. Her laps were still mild by LA standards, but higher than anyone else in the club (including you ).

    Now if you're talking LA, there can be a real difference in the day vs. night shift, but the split has shrunk dramatically over the last couple of years, and this is coming from someone who seeks out and knows where/how to find mileage.

    Bridgette, please stay at Hi-Lighter. You are NOT a Christie's girl. This is said as a compliment, not a criticism. You had a very pleasant personality (incidentally, you thanked me for being such a good customer) and I would hate to see you get sucked up into the priggish vortex that is Christie's Cabaret. Oh yeah, you have a great friggin' bod, too. :o

    Looking forward to next year,

    Chili

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