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    Hmm. It's been mentioned on many other threads and I just don't like this "housewife test" idea. What if I NEVER (even as a housewife) tanned or got nails done or purchased make up before I danced? And that is the sole reason that I have these expenses? Couldn't they be considered a deduction because I only spend this money to help myself make more money?

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    Anais, the test is not what YOU "as a housewife" would do, but what a typical person as a housewife would do. Take as an example a BA, a housewife would possibly get one up to a certain size. A BA above that size is considered only usable as a matter of commercial interest. Take makeup. There are grades and characteristics of certain makeups which only make it useful as a stage makeup. The $4 Walgrens makeup bought by a performer at a local theater would not pass the test, but makeup for a Broadway performer to be seen from 200 feet away would be deductable as well as makeup bought by the theater and under its control.

    The test is not what you would do but what others would reasonably do. If it were you as the basis, they would have to give psychological tests to millions of individuals to evaluate each return. If it is a "reasonable person test", the answer can be determined easily.

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    The point behind the "housewife test" is to determine whether or not the expense/deduction is truly for business purposes. The IRS position is that anything at a typical housewife would choose to spend money on with no business reason whatsoever behind it cannot be justified as a business expense. As Geek points out, this applies to normal sized breast implants and department store makeup. This also applies to bikinis (which housewives wear at the beach), tanning and hair and nail salons and health clubs and a whole host of things which a dancer might spend money on but which housewives also spend money on with no business reason behind the expense.

    A gray area exists over certain expenses though, such as wigs and gowns, home computers with internet access, or other items where there is a reasonably clear business basis for making large expenditures. Although the occasional housewife might purchase a wig or gown, if it is a club requirement that gowns be worn by dancers on a nightly basis there's a very good chance that a business expense deduction will fly. Same is true of home computers and ISP's as long as a clear business purpose is involved i.e. a website which a dancer uses to attract customers.

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    I guess I am just frustrated though, because for me, it IS solely a business expense, so it seems unfair that I cannot claim these things. I know there is nothing I can do about it, but I was just expressing my frustration.

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    me too

    I'd never get my nails done if I weren't a dancer....but at least you get to have pretty nails!

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    I am waiting for my last form to come in and i am going to my accountant yet again.

    I last year wrote off my whole room dedicated to work. And it is, webcam, phone sex, etc. I could not write off the pole now. I have in the past, but it is now not properly set anymore, kinda hanging lose some, so that would actually qualify as something that i can not write off. Even tho i used it for many years to learn moves at home, it was considered exercise equipment.

    Some say yes, others say no. I have yet to get an audit after 20 some years, and i will not write off anything the everage person outside a club can wear. This has protected me.

    I wrote off pillows i used for cam and sheets for cam etc. BIG chance. (Last year) As well as the cleaning expense. I took one hell of a chance actually.

    The IRS will not play around this year, too many dancers my way last year got an audit. Hefty!

    I will kick back and even keep thoughts about my g-strings now, everyone is wearing them!
    But....Not everyone wears or bought 15 pair of 7" shoes for every day wear. Yes keep records...receipts

    Play with caution. paying out alot of money because you pick everything that "seems" do-able wont work. They are looking for these mistakes, at least that is the word this year around here for adult entertainers.

    PS my accountant was a male stripper!!!

    Pamela

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela link=board=6;threadid=6648;start=msg74373#msg74373 date=1076955748
    PS my accountant was a male stripper!!!

    Pamela
    If I was a male stripper I'd NEED a second job...lol

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    Lol hun! He was a stripper while going through school and also (to this day) owns a "head shop as well!

    I think he done stripping for fun. He has that funny silly kinda different look about him, although he is pretty pumped up.

    pamela

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    A male stripper accountant would have his own "housewife test"

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    Oh yeah...I'd be testing a few housewives...nudge nudge, wink wink.

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    It seems to me like just the fact of working in a strip club would be enough evidence that makeup and clothing purchases in dancer supply shops, nails, hair, etc. is for work purposes!

    But that makes too much sense I guess. this IS the IRS we're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francesca link=board=6;threadid=6648;start=msg82576#msg82576 date=1078841590
    It seems to me like just the fact of working in a strip club would be enough evidence that makeup and clothing purchases in dancer supply shops, nails, hair, etc. is for work purposes!

    But that makes too much sense I guess. this IS the IRS we're talking about.
    Francesca, The merely logical standard you provide ends up opening a can of worms. Suppose I were a real estate agent or a car sales guy. I have to look nice for the customers. So I should be able to deduct my jacket and pants, and while I am at it, dry cleaning them. Then the garage mechanic wants to deduct his washing his pants which get dirty and the carpenter wants to clean his clothes because he sweat in them. The number of reasonable extensions soon becomes unmangeable, everyone has to hire an accountant an doing taxes becomes expensive or very time consuming and the rates have to go up to produce the same revenue. Not being able to take SOME reasonable expenses is ultimately the cost of having a simpler system.

    You, like almost everyone, do not want to pay taxes. Neither do I!! Your only choice is to vote what you believe is that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=6;threadid=6648;start=msg82750#msg82750 date=1078883424
    Quote Originally Posted by francesca link=board=6;threadid=6648;start=msg82576#msg82576 date=1078841590
    It seems to me like just the fact of working in a strip club would be enough evidence that makeup and clothing purchases in dancer supply shops, nails, hair, etc. is for work purposes!

    But that makes too much sense I guess. this IS the IRS we're talking about.
    Francesca, The merely logical standard you provide ends up opening a can of worms. Suppose I were a real estate agent or a car sales guy. I have to look nice for the customers. So I should be able to deduct my jacket and pants, and while I am at it, dry cleaning them. Then the garage mechanic wants to deduct his washing his pants which get dirty and the carpenter wants to clean his clothes because he sweat in them. The number of reasonable extensions soon becomes unmangeable, everyone has to hire an accountant an doing taxes becomes expensive or very time consuming and the rates have to go up to produce the same revenue. Not being able to take SOME reasonable expenses is ultimately the cost of having a simpler system.

    You, like almost everyone, do not want to pay taxes. Neither do I!! Your only choice is to vote what you believe is that way.
    Monty, does your estate agent, car sales person, or auto mechanic produce receipts for $20 apiece for g-strings at a place called "Las Vegas Showgirl Supplies?" I don't see this purchase as an unreasonable extension.

    By the way, I wash my very expensive g's, bras, socks, and gowns by hand...and of course with wear and tear my g's only last a month at best. My bras get stolen left and right by customers and the dressess wear out within a few washings (even by hand). I mend them myself but still they fall apart quickly.

    Not to mention at my club we are now required to wear gowns M-F. Can you imagine how quickly they wear out when rotating the same gowns five days a week three weeks a month?
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    Francesca,

    My car salesman can indeed produce receipts for far more expensive suits than I could ever produce receipts for bras and g-strings. Not to mention the expensive shoes he wears. It's a rule that applies to everyone. Some items just aren't going to be deductible. The option is a gross income tax on businesses. It's simpler, but the hue and cry would be deafening.

    Z

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    francesca,
    I agree that the stuff you are talking about is legitimately thought of as a business expense to you, but it is things that are REALLY hard to enforce and audit. How is the IRS to know you did not wear that bra and G-string outside of work. Set up random bra checks? Or the makeup.

    Just because the stores name had a work related title does not mean it does not function perfectly adequately the other days of the week. To qualify as a business expense it has to be clearly usable for no other purpose. That is just the accepted standard.

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    Hence the reason why I love costumes (themed outfits). I really doubt I will be wearing a nurse, school girl or Dorothy (Wizard of Oz) type of outfit outside of work... LOL !

    Here's a question for you monty...
    What if the dancer gets her name embroided (sp?) on the outfit? Does it them become a uniform and hence tax deductible ?

    I know that if I was working in a cafe and I had to buy a white TShirt and then the employer got their logo/symbol (etc) embroided on that TShirt... the TShirt for me is tax-deductible as it is now clearly defined as a uniform (or for work purposes only).

    I'm assuming the same applies for dancer costumes and outfits... if she has her name on it (not underneath but on top somewhere).. it can then be classed as a uniform and she can have it tax deductible ? ???



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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=6;threadid=6648;start=msg83140#msg83140 date=1078974349
    francesca,
    I agree that the stuff you are talking about is legitimately thought of as a business expense to you, but it is things that are REALLY hard to enforce and audit. How is the IRS to know you did not wear that bra and G-string outside of work. Set up random bra checks? Or the makeup.

    Just because the stores name had a work related title does not mean it does not function perfectly adequately the other days of the week. To qualify as a business expense it has to be clearly usable for no other purpose. That is just the accepted standard.
    I know. I'm just being the Devil's Advocate here. I do that sometimes. But really, who pays $18 for a g-string in a store called "Las Vegas Showgirl Supplies?" And buying them in bulk...and happens to work full time in a strip club????
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    francesca,
    You are not the "Devil's Advocate"--I am-- I am backed into the position of defendding the IRS!! Talk about the Devil, whew!

    As who who else buys $18 g-strings from Las Vegas Showgirl's supplies, I suspect some people are. I realize we are talking about LV, but is there enough sales volume to support a business just on the showgirl population.

    Vee. I think your question about uniforms is a good one and is going to depend on more technical issues Josh is much better positioned to address. Just your name may be tough to qualify--remember Laverne and Shirley and bowling team shirts have that. Given some of the work uniforms I have seen there is probably a standard of ugliness they have to pass before they qualify. LOL

    Maybe it is the "funeral test" as in "I would not be caught dead wearing that."

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    My opinion is that putting your name on an outfit would not in and of itself make the outfit deductible. If it did, every redneck with a 6" belt buckle would get a tax deduction (cue the snare drum). Or, the people who buy team jerseys with their name on the back. The key is could you wear it as normal clothes.

    Now, while you might not be able to take your $18 g-string as a deduction, you probably could take many of the stripper dresses. A lot of them are just not passable as "normal" clothes. An auditor might not agree with me, however I think that's a defensible position. Similarly, I think you have a semi-valid case for the 6" - 8" heels. Its a little aggressive, and I don't think its crossing the line.

    Francesca, from another thread I know you have a Nevada corporation. If your corporation buys the supplies and provides them to employees as a uniform, and produces a document that says "These clothes are only to be worn on work assignments", then everything from g-strings to fake eyelashes will be deductible, one of many neat extra deductions you get with a corporation.

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