Jese this city never stops. I think it is the old Silk here is a flyer
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Jese this city never stops. I think it is the old Silk here is a flyer
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www.xtrememag.net And yea that it is the old Silk.
yes i saw that add too ....gosh ...these people needs to quit ...this place is getting over saturated... ceo ...solid gold ....scores west....larry flynt's hustler club... whats next??? sheesh
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lol ...i cant wait to see who's gonna come out on top cause every one is trying to be the club to talk about in nyc ..i've noticed with all these clubs popping up PEC has started advertising on late night tv also their website is looking a bit diffrent/better than when i went there a few weeks ago ...i haven't really heard much about the hustler club ....but we'll see what happends by the summer ..
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PEC is beautiful. I think Scores shitted on themselves..lol. I have have to check out the new club. I want try Hustlers. But I hope they have a pole. The new clubs just want the girls to look cute on stage. Not much to do if there's no pole and you cant do floor work in most clubs. I need a pole. I'm going club hopping.





I swear that this rash of new/repackaged Manhattan clubs is a conspiracy ... to increase the total amount of stage fees club owners earn from dancers, and at the same time to reduce average dancer earnings potential.
The only winners in this trend are going to be those few girls who are able to be hired at the very best 1 or 2 upscale clubs which emerge from all of this new club competition. Every other dancer in town is going to see her earnings drop, as there is just no way that opening more clubs and hiring more dancers is also going to produce an equal percentage of new big spending upscale club customers to provide a source of income.





Admittedly, some clubs in Manhattan serve "niche" markets. Flashdancers is smack in the middle of the Broadway theatre section, and Lace is smack in the middle of Times Square, so both of these clubs get some element of their customer bases from tourists. Also, neither of these two clubs (ok maybe Flashdancers when they have a "hot" feature) is likely to be on the Celebrity "night on the town" agenda or on the client entertainment A-list of million dollar deal businessmen the way Scores and/or PEC typically are. Therefore, in all probability these two clubs in particular will not be severely affected by the coming or going of new top shelf clubs in other areas of town, because their particular locations exempts them from depending on city-wide competition for customers.But do the Lace and Flashdancers chains and the others compete in the same league, either for customers or dancers?
As far as attracting dancers goes, there is a lot of "prestige" associated with working at Scores or PEC which often appeals to dancers who have, shall we say, big egos. However, its also not a secret that earnings potential at either Lace or Flashdancers can more or less rival that of Scores or PEC on a good night (especially if you factor in paying $250+ in stage fee and tipouts at Scores, while the "lesser" clubs are charging $100 or less).
Private Eyes or Stiletto would indeed be a "downgrade", both in terms of club "prestige", in terms of customer "class" and spending habits, and in terms of earnings potential. I agree with you that it's unlikely that a dancer would voluntarily choose to make such a move.If a girl starts making less at PEC, is she going to "downgrade" to Private Eyes or Stiletto and hurt the girls already working there?
But consider the following situation ... the publicity about these new/repackaged clubs, combined with the effects of new anti-dance club laws and the poor economy in other cities and states, will likely draw the attention of out-of-town girls - particularly after the club has been open long enough to illustrate it's earning potential (as just occurred with PEC). While the new/repackaged clubs may hire whatever local dancers are available in order to staff the club for the grand opening (in PEC's case they hired girls who were, say, 8's), over time more and more higher "quality" girls will approach these new/repackaged clubs to work there. Once club management has a much larger supply of would-be dancers than it needs, it can afford to be much more selective in the "quality" of dancers it hires. This can (and in PEC's case, DID) lead to many girls who were 8's who had been hired for the grand opening soon being pressured to leave the club to make room for new girls who are 9's and 10's. These girls who are 8's are going to be severely hurt financially if they are forced out of their top shelf club, simply because it is very unlikely they will be hired by another top shelf club. When rent is due, some of the girls who are 8's may consider going to Private Eyes or Stiletto.
This of course starts exactly the same process as previously occurred at the top shelf club(s), with girls who are 7's beinging replaced by the newly available '8's by the clubowners of "lesser" clubs. However unlike the top shelf clubs where earnings potential is based to a large degree on "eye candy" with no contact expectations, in the "lesser" clubs the issue of higher contact expectations on the part of "lower class" customers, and higher contact being readily provided by some of the dancers comes into play. Therefore it's very questionable what the earnings potential of a former top shelf club dancer will be in a "lesser" club if she persists in trying to sell on the basis of no contact while other dancers are providing higher contact, even though the former top shelf club dancer might be an 8 while the high contact dancers might be 7's.
IMHO it is these dancers, girls who prefer low/no contact but who do not have the appearance and attributes to compete with an increasing number of "imported" dancers who are 9's and 10's for positions in the top shelf clubs, who will be hurt the most by these new club openings. This is based on the assumption that the total number of top shelf club customers is not going to increase just because the total number of top shelf dancers is increased via the opening of these new/repackaged clubs. If a dancer who is an 8 chooses to continue working at a top shelf club, and if fewer top shelf club customers choose to spend money on a girl who is an 8 because they have the ready alternative of choosing a 9 or a 10 instead for the same price, the earnings potential of girls who are 8's still working in top shelf clubs could drop significantly. And even if some of these girls choose to move to "lesser" clubs because of significantly reduced earnings potential when competing with 9's and 10's, they may also experience earnings problems in "lesser" clubs as well because the higher contact factor may offset the fact that a girl who is an 8 offers more "eye candy" appeal than another dancer in the "lesser club" who is a 7 but who also will provide high contact.
In ANY business, when the supply of product increases but the total number of dollars spent by customers does not, SOME aspect of the market is going to suffer. Just like Tiffany's Jewelers, top quality will always sell so girls who are 10's have nothing to worry about. And just like WalMart, quantity discounts will always sell so that girls who offer high mileage also have nothing to worry about (not counting local cops of course). The market segment between the two extremes is usually the area that that takes the worst financial beating.
Melonie is 100% correct. BTW- what she has outlined is not
a hypothetical phenomenom- it's happening and will continue
to happen. For the most part it's the dancers in the "middle"
who are feeling the squeeze. One reason it will probably get worse before it gets better is the "jobless recovery". More
than a few ex-dancers who have been or will be laid off from
their so-called "straight" jobs may decide to go back to dancing to pay their bills. Orthers who were hoping to leave
the dance biz will have to stick around because there just
are no jobs out there for them right now. We are just
STARTING to undergo a painful period of adjustment in this
country as job after job is "outsourced" to India among
other places. The entry level jobs in computers, data
processing & retrieval, digital communications, web-design
etc.etc. are going to India for 1/3 to 1/4 what an American
would be paid. To make the picture even bleaker- NYC has
NOT recovered from 9/11. the jobs that were lost have not
returned. Guys on unemployment do not make for big-spending customers. Then you have the influx of dancers
who worked at clubs with a high percentage of military
personnel.they had to go elsewhere because the guys are
mostly overseas.Don't believe me?- ask the gals in San Diego;
Norfolk; North & South Carolina how business has been and
what they're doing about it. The younger ones with shallow
"roots" have gone to NYC, Vegas and Fla.
The bottom line is these new club openings will probably
mean a ratcheting down of dancers exactly as Melonie
laid it out.

wow, and I couldn't deal with a semester of economics in college
The other economic variable to help in the calculation of success rate int he various niches in NYC clubs will be which club provides "high mileage" dancing versus "low mileage" air dances.
you go girl... thats a non fictional short essay I would back up 100perc.. I ama former Scores HS girl. I am now in state of degrading to lower scale clubs but yaknow i dont have the patience or the ego any more.. LOL Ny will always be a tough city to work,, good luck to all the 19 yr olds.. save it while u can ...it ends Nadine![]()
uug.
I hear this club is reopening as crazy horse
Like the one in Vegas??
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