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    Boy, I'm glad I'm not a kid in an American elementary/secondary school anymore. I, (hell 80% of my classmates!) would have NEVER made it through the school system with the zero-tolerance idiocy going on these days. All in the name of keeping schools "safe".

    A breaded chicken finger constitutes a "weapon", lemon drops are "drugs", and kissing a classmate is "sexual harassment". And just when you think that these school administrators couldn't possibly stoop any lower...

    http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0204/127239.html

    Apparently a natural bodily function that humans have had since Eden is now a "priveledge" that can be regulated. Why do we even bother teaching kids civics lessons anymore?
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    Whoever gets to shape the hearts and minds of today's children controls the future of our society !

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    Thats pretty ridiculous... chicken fingers a weapon??? Wtf can you possibly do to someone with that??? Make them eat it?
    Lemon drops a drug? Damn I must have been a huge druggie then? I lived on those.

    That bathroom pass thing is crazy...holding your bladder can lead to UTI's. (I dont know if little kids can get this, but I know a few girls who have had this, and even witnessed one crying at work from one.) Not cool!!!!!!
    I'd be pissed. (pun intended)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg76001#msg76001 date=1077331752
    Thats pretty ridiculous... chicken fingers a weapon??? Wtf can you possibly do to someone with that??? Make them eat it?
    LOL Lexi.. My thoughts exactly.. A chicken finger?

    That bathroom pass thing is crazy...holding your bladder can lead to UTI's. (I dont know if little kids can get this, but I know a few girls who have had this, and even witnessed one crying at work from one.) Not cool!!!!!!
    I'd be pissed. (pun intended)
    Yeah, that's pretty insane. Kids can get UTI's and bladder infections as well, unfortunately. My daughter had one really young and I remember thinking "How in the hell?". But then again, I freaked out when my son, at age 5, woke up with a um.. well, you know.. I was so shocked that it happened that young? lol.. Then, of course, I had to do my best to explain to him what it was. ed:

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    This is just another example of the nanny state's "we'll just make a rule about it". Got a drug problem, we will have zero tolerance. Got a drunk driving probelm--we will just make a law requiring all cars be hooked up to a breathalzer so you have to "blow to go". (talk about extras)

    I have only seen one source about the latter but it was supposedly passed Monday by the New Mexico legislature.

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    what the hell is wrong with these people i understand what they are saying about kids cutting classes but that bathroom break rule is beyond rediculous ...what do they expect the kids to do ? ...what are these people thinking when the come up with rules like these ...i'm sure the can find aother way of keep the kids from cutting classes....this is just rediculous(sp)
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    Personal esperience....when I was 3 years old, I was enrolled in ballet. I loved it, and to this day wish I would have stayed. I have so many memories of that and I was only three. Well, there was a small practice that the parents could watch, and I asked the teacher if I could use the bathroom. She said no... within a few minutes I could not handle it anymore and peed all over myself and my tutu. LOL Funny to me now, since being 3 its funny, but in reality whats the point in not letting kids use the toilet? My mother got up and told the teacher off, saying I was only a little kid. (And I was welllll beyond potty trained, obviously)
    Anyway, point being, its not right to do that to kids, no matter what the age. Some kids cant hold it in, some can.
    Needless to say, she took me out of the class, and I began dancing, years later, to a different beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg76008#msg76008 date=1077333245
    But then again, I freaked out when my son, at age 5, woke up with a um.. well, you know.. I was so shocked that it happened that young? lol.. Then, of course, I had to do my best to explain to him what it was. ed:
    Rhia,

    It didn't have anything to do with sexual thoughts or a wet dream at that age. The male body does this to prevent peeing in bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg76044#msg76044 date=1077339501
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg76008#msg76008 date=1077333245
    But then again, I freaked out when my son, at age 5, woke up with a um.. well, you know.. I was so shocked that it happened that young? lol.. Then, of course, I had to do my best to explain to him what it was. ed:
    Rhia,

    It didn't have anything to do with sexual thoughts or a wet dream at that age. The male body does this to prevent peeing in bed.
    LOL I know PP, I'm aware of that, now. It was just very surprising to me is all.. hehe.. After trying by myself to explain it to my lil boy, I had to call for reinforcements, (AKA My then father-in-law). He basically first laughed his arse off, then calmed me down, and talked me through it. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg75960#msg75960 date=1077325633
    Why do we even bother teaching kids civics lessons anymore?
    We don't. I think therein lies the problem.

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    The school system that we have in place is so degrading, disrespectful, and dishonest that my little girl will never attend public school (or private school for that matter). I am willing to home school her or put her in a Montessori School if necessary. But, there is no way that I am going to spend my life teaching her that she deserves to be loved and treated with respect and then throw her to the wolves to fend for herself.

    I remember one time I was in high school, and I had my *friend*. I asked to go to the bathroom, because I really needed to go. I was told to wait until the bell rang (35 minutes later). I got detention for telling the teacher to shove off and left for the bathroom. Needless to say that my Dean was *persuaded* by my dad to withdraw the detention. It's sad that it is even come to that point, though, you know?

    BTW...how do they handle the girls who have started their periods? "Oh, I know you have your period, but you used up your bathroom passes, so you're just gonna have to ride it out."

    Morons!!

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    It is an interesting comment on our priorities when women who take their clothes off and dance can easily make more money than women who teach our children.

    From New York City the short anser to the initial question, "Are our schools becoming prisons?" YES!

    sad but true

    So much for the "education" president.
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    I can see the cough drop message, they are classified as drugs and contain ingredients that may harm others...Oh yes. But food? Ok. I have to say our schools seem pretty cool. The kids wear next to nothing, and get to leave for lunch as well. Just better be back. This is Juniour high too.

    They however are not allowed to carry backpacks anymore, or anything big, even baggy clothes are iffy now. Sooooo, the less clothes the better...??? Go figure.

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    Schools have certainly changed since I attended.
    But I don't think they are turning into prisons..a prisoner in California gets roughly $60,000 of tax payer dollars while, Californian students only receive about 10% of that.
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    at my school we were flat out told the constitution didnt apply to us, we had no rights, they could search, seize, and tell us to shut up to thier likeing. I even had my lunch confiscted one time simply because it wasnt in a bag (it was just some juice). I sill say the vp owes me a dollar.

    many teachers told us there would be no bathroom breaks during thier class, others would let us go if we asked and didnt do it too much. The theory was we had 4 minuts between classes and that was pleanty of time to go to the bathroom. Well sure it was if your classes were 30 feet from each other and the bathroom was between them. But what if you have the entire length of the school and 3 sets of stairs to do plus stop by your locker and get your books for the next class?

    the year after I left (i am clas of 99) they made a rule that you couldnt have backpacks in school anymore, too easy to hide guns and drugs and the like. My sister got a very large tote bag and kept her hairbrush in it, that made it a purse and girls were still allowed to have purses for "female reasons". Just because it was big enough for her books too was just convient.... My ex took one of those plastic milk crates around school all day. Others just didnt carry thier books around anymore, and either left them in class or thier lockers. It got so reduclus that they finally replealed it.

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    ps. most of the teachers that let us go put a time limit on our pass, the passes were either paper or a little dry erase board that they would put our name on, thier class number, thier name and signature, and the time we left, useually we only had 4 minutes or so.

    I had only one class that I ever used the bathroom reason to skip. and only like twice, but it didnt matter as that was a study hall with homework its not like he lectured us or anything. And I skipped to go to the honor socity meeting that my sister was at in the library so i wasnt outside smokeing or anything..

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    A few factoids-Avg. yearly cost: per inmate, $30,929; per parolee, $3,364
    source http://www.corr.ca.gov/Communication...ts_figures.asp
    Education State Average, All Public Schools $6,719
    source http://www.cde.ca.gov/fiscal/financi...ipFacts02.html

    Differences-education is 6 hours per day 9 months a year. Prison is 365 days per year 24 hours per day. Prison includes food, housing, and medical care, education does not. The differences are apparent in parolee/prison costs.
    Debateable point-students are less dangerous than prisoners.
    Never been in California so I have not direct interest. I was just curious about FH's #'s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg76233#msg76233 date=1077394625
    A few factoids-Avg. yearly cost: per inmate, $30,929; per parolee, $3,364
    source http://www.corr.ca.gov/Communication...ts_figures.asp
    Education State Average, All Public Schools $6,719
    source http://www.cde.ca.gov/fiscal/financi...ipFacts02.html

    Differences-education is 6 hours per day 9 months a year. Prison is 365 days per year 24 hours per day. Prison includes food, housing, and medical care, education does not. The differences are apparent in parolee/prison costs.
    Debateable point-students are less dangerous than prisoners.
    Never been in California so I have not direct interest. I was just curious about FH's #'s.
    Thanks for the actual cost of housing an inmate and the links..I will do the math..
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    THe metal detectors and frisking were ruled unconstitutional. Prescribed medicines should be verified if carried. The whole "kissing" incident is because of the feminist movement which is also responsibile for the decline in male scholarship in order to pursue "athletic" objectives as prescibed by them.
    I can agree about the kissing only to the point that it becomes disruptive of the education system which is what they SHOULD be doing. I'll oppose "freaking " and those little gummy bracelets fot the same reason.
    Driving is a privaledge. Going to school for an education and proper health care is a right. But try to explain that to teachers that can't pass their own tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela link=board=1;threadid=6788;start=msg76142#msg76142 date=1077375286
    I can see the cough drop message, they are classified as drugs and contain ingredients that may harm others...Oh yes. But food? Ok. I have to say our schools seem pretty cool. The kids wear next to nothing, and get to leave for lunch as well. Just better be back. This is Juniour high too.

    They however are not allowed to carry backpacks anymore, or anything big, even baggy clothes are iffy now. Sooooo, the less clothes the better...??? Go figure.

    Pamela
    Pam, the thing is, Lemon Drops arent cough drops...they are a hard, lemony candy... I dont know what the mean about them being drugs?

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    I attended Catholic school until eighth grade so I am no stranger to any of these asinine rules. We were not allowed to have chapstick for crissake because the administration classified it as a drug. Clothing with visible brand labels was prohibited. A friend of mine was actually suspended for having a Tommy Hilfiger logo on her sock, which the teacher only saw becuase of the was he happened to be seated at his desk. Dress code dictated that we all wore male long-sleeve dress shirts with button down collars and I received a few detentions for having my collar unbuttoned.

    I'm also extremely familiar with the limited bathroom break policy. I had that in my high school!! The kids at my high school now all have to wear scannable ID tags around their necks at all times, as well as any parents or visitors of the school. I forget some of the other policies, but

    I really feel that the trend is saddening and prevents the schools to achieve the motivation for their rules-- to provide an environment conducive for learning. Instead, I think the stringent policy encourages resentment in the children. I know that is how I felt growing up. Teachers and administrators came to be regarded as a police force, not a friend or respected adult.
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    I think the expendatures on prisons are justified. Take it from this vantagepoint. If you don't restrain a disruptive student , then the whole class suffers. Yes, the student needs attention and probably will straighten up with enough disciplining but is this any reason to let them monopolize the total instructional time of the teacher? The parents of the other students are also paying to have their child instructed as well. If I have the problem student restrained so I can serve the other students then that is a wise investment. I'm not just simply trying to warehouse the problem students but am trying to make efficient use of my time.
    Therefore, if society restrains the criminal elements it promotes the prosperity of society as a whole.
    It even seems to pay off better than what we've paid for education since the grades don't improve and all they seem to do is lower the standards.

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    Just one more reason to disband the US Dept. of Education and return schools to local control. Are you all aware that 50 years ago 90% of school costs went to pay teachers, now less than 50% does? Any wonder schools have gone downhill with all the administrators sitting around thinking this stuff up and trying to comply with a long list of federal regs? Since the feds took over our public schools have gone from the envy of the world to mediocrity. And costs have increased sharply. Thanks US Dept of Education.
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