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    FoxNews BURLINGAME, Calif. — California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has ordered the state's attorney general to take legal action to put an end to San Francisco's granting of marriage licenses to gay couples.

    Schwarzenegger's directive to Attorney General Bill Lockyer was sparked in part by a judge's decision on Friday not to impose a temporary restraining order that would have halted San Francisco's weeklong parade of 3,175 same-sex weddings, said Rob Stutzman, Schwarzenegger's communications director.

    "Our civilized society and legal system is based upon a respect for and adherence to the rule of law," Schwarzenegger wrote in a letter to Lockyer. "The City and County of San Francisco's unfortunate choice to disregard state law and grant marriage certificates to gay couples directly undermines this fundamental guarantee."

    The Republican governor "feels that we've come to a point where we're starting down a dangerous path and it leads to anarchy at some point," Stutzman said. "It's time for this to end."

    Lockyer, an elected Democrat who is a potential candidate in the 2006 governor's race, has said he plans to vigorously defend state laws barring gay marriage.

    Judge Ronald Evans Quidachay denied the Campaign for California Families' request for a temporary restraining order Friday, saying conservative groups failed to prove same-sex weddings would cause irreparable harm. In a separate case, another judge declined to order an immediate stop to the marriages Tuesday.

    The conservative group argued that the weddings harmed all the Californians who voted in 2000 for Proposition 22, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

    The judge suggested that the rights of the gay and lesbian couples appeared to be more substantial.

    "If the court has to weigh rights here, on the one hand you are talking about voting rights, and on the other you are talking about equal rights," Quidachay said.

    Quidachay consolidated the Campaign for California Families' lawsuit against the city with one filed by another conservative group, and told lawyers for both sides to work out between themselves when the next hearing would be held.

    Peter Ragone, spokesman for San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, scoffed at Schwarzenegger's directive.

    "The truth is, thousands of people are involved in loving relationships and having them recognized for the first time," Ragone said. "We urge the governor to meet with some of the couples because what's happening is both lawful and loving."

    Mathew Staver, a lawyer representing the Campaign for California Families, said he believes the court ultimately will find that Newsom acted illegally when he began allowing gay marriages last week.

    "He can't decide to grant same-sex marriage licenses any more than he can declare war against a foreign country," Staver said.

    But chief deputy city attorney Therese Stewart said the failure of conservative opponents to win emergency injunctions demonstrates that the city has a strong case.

    "Both judges really recognized there is nobody who is hurt by allowing gay people to marry," Stewart said.

    Newsom remained defiant before the ruling, officiating at the wedding of one of California's most prominent lesbian politicians inside his offices at City Hall.

    A crowd of politicians and lawyers celebrated that wedding as other gays and lesbians prepared to join the more than 3,000 same-sex couples allowed to marry so far.

    About 25 anti-gay-marriage protesters later blocked the door of the county clerk's office, lying down in front of the line and singing religious songs. Gays and lesbians responded by belting out "The Star-Spangled Banner" until sheriff's deputies escorted the protesters out. No arrests were made.

    Most Americans remain opposed to same-sex marriages. A poll out Friday indicated that 50 percent of Californians remain opposed, but that sympathy for allowing gays and lesbians to marry has risen by 6 percentage points over the last four years, to 44 percent.

    In the San Francisco Bay area, 58 percent of all respondents support gay marriage, according to the Public Policy Institute of California poll, which was based on a statewide survey taken Feb. 8-16 and has a margin of error of 2 percentage points.

    While defending its new marriage policy in court, the city also is suing the state, challenging its gay-marriage ban. The city contends the ban violates the equal protection clause of the California Constitution.


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    Rush Limbaugh 2/20 - "Same thing with this gay marriage business. Don't think you're alone out there or think you're in the minority. You've seen the polling data on this. What you have to realize is who stands to get hurt by this. And that's the Democrats. Aside from the culture, but I mean the culture will be okay, because this is ultimately not going to go anywhere. The American people don't want this to go anywhere. There's civil disobedience in San Francisco but San Francisco may as well have seceded from the country many years ago anyway. So it's nothing unusual there, this is just par for the course, this is just, oh, a new day in San Francisco, what can we do next to have some fun here?

    Now, I'm not saying don't be upset about it, don't misunderstand. I'm not saying be lackadaisical about it. I'm not saying don't get your energy all worked up about it, but don't get fatalistic about it is what I'm telling you. In fact, this gay marriage business may be one of the Godsends. Can you imagine if God gave Republicans gay marriage in an election year? You might find that's a strange thing for God to do, but if God's on the side of Bush and the Republicans, it's something God would do. Rush, you're really teetering on the edge here. I know, folks, I'm just playing the game the way the left does. But the point is this is a great issue to hurt the Democrats with in an election year. Look it. This is the way I look at it, folks. It's a blessing. Gay marriage is a blessing. Gay marriage as an issue is a gift from the heavens this election year. How can you say that, Rush? Very simply. A, I just said it, but B here's how: What do the Democrats do? What do liberal Democrats do? What have I told you since I have had the privilege of sitting behind this Golden EIB Microphone for over 15 years, what have I told you they do? They try to camouflage who they are. They are always trying to make you think that they're something other than what they are and who they are. Their motto: How can we fool 'em today. It's the reason Howard Dean's gone. He was the only one that was honest." ...

    "And so late yesterday, [reading from the Los Angeles Times] "The city of San Francisco filed a lawsuit against the state Thursday, challenging laws that bar gay marriage on grounds that they violate language in the California Constitution that forbids discrimination. Mayor Gavin Newsom ordered his staff last week [as you know] to remove references to 'bride' and 'groom' from marriage licenses and to begin performing same-sex ceremonies, arguing that to do otherwise would violate the Constitution's equal protection clause. In filing [the lawsuit] Thursday's suit, city officials hope to focus the legal dispute on the constitutional issue of discrimination. Opponents of the city's decision to issue marriage licenses to gay couples have tried to limit the case to a narrower issue: whether a mayor has the right to break state law."

    Boy, that is a strange thing, "whether a mayor has the right to break state law." You mean that's open for discussion? This is actually open for discussion? This is what we've been doing. We've been sitting around debating whether or not a guy's got permission to break the law. And while we've been sitting around debating this, these guys have been putting a plan into action -- and here's what it is. [LA Times:] "Asked why the city hadn't pursued a lawsuit against the state to clarify the legal question before issuing the licenses, Newsom" laid bare the conspiracy: He said, "We put a human face and a real story behind the theory of discrimination" meaning, We wanted to create the impression of discrimination before the lawsuit, and to create the impression of discrimination we had to engage in civil disobedience.

    The "civil disobedience" is the breaking of the law, and so now they think that they've illustrated discrimination by virtue of the civil disobedience, and now they're going to file suit against the state. Once again, you people in California. You know, I'm going to start asking some of you, "Why do you live there?" just like some of you were asking me, why do I live in Palm Beach. Well? Everything you vote for out there gets overthrown. I don't care whether it's Prop 187, Prop 214, Prop 339 -- whatever it is that you vote for, some judge comes along and says, "You don't know what you're doing. Can't do that, unconstitutional."

    Yep, you've got to keep paying welfare benefits and safety-net benefits to illegal aliens. Yep, they've got to keep getting health care. Yep, they can go to your schools. Yep, you're gonna pay for it. I don't care what your ballot initiative said, it's constitutional, and that's that. And then they come along and they do something about taxes, and they say, "Nope, can't cut taxes. We're going to raise your taxes. You don't know what you're talking about." The ballot initiative process out there apparently doesn't mean anything because the mayor can just -- it's an open question whether the mayor can break the law! It's an open question whether the mayor can break the law!"

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    This looks like the beginning of "ROUND 2"




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    Those protestors are lucky they did not sing "God Bless America" or they would have been shot for "hate speech".

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=1;threadid=6800;start=msg76139#msg76139 date=1077373690
    Those protestors are lucky they did not sing "God Bless America" or they would have been shot for "hate speech".
    yeah, really !


    My own concerns over this issue are as follows ...

    - that the gays and lesbians being issued SF marriage licenses are actually being used as pawns to further a future political battle (probably SF mayor Newsom's future CA gubernatorial campaign)

    - that the gay and lesbian supposedly 'married' couples will finally see themselves as the victims of this cruel joke once the rule of law is asserted and their marriages are annulled

    - that other "liberal" causes which are important i.e. environmentalism, labor rights, individual rights (including the right for girls to dance nude and the right of club customers to purchase lap dances) will be lumped with the issue of gay marriage and will be looked upon by the majority of registered voters as part of a "liberal wacko" agenda which has been allowed to go too far and which must now be restrained.

    - that the majority of registered voters across the USA will express their disapproval of the gay marriage issue in the form of electing more conservative candidates this coming November, probably leading to conservative republican control in more cities, more states, and a greater (and potentially veto-proof) majority in Washington as well.

    - that cities and states with newly elected conservative republican administrations will then begin passing anti-dance club laws which will ruin whatever's left of the Exotic Dancing industry, as a few cities and states who took a conservative turn in the previous election have already done. (we're already beginning to run out of remaining cities with good dancer earnings potentials for girls who have been hurt by new anti-dance club laws in their own city to move to!)

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