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Some people are so ignorant. From what I have studied in school so far, rape doesn't have much to do with sex at all... It's a controll or power trip. As far as wearing something to provoke being raped? That's just assinine and the guy who said it, wheather he realizes it or not is probably causing some real emotional damage in his daughter. Hopefully this girl doesn't have to go through life feeling like the rape was all her fault or that she was somehow to blame for it. I think you have every right to be pissed off because now I am pissed off too!!!! It's bigots like this that make me hate men!!!





I totally agree with Bambiblue...rape is about control and anger. The father seems like he felt helpless to prevent his daughter's rape and is looking for a way to pass the blame to ease the gulit and pain he feels. IMO..I just hope the daughter gets the help she needs to overcome her assault and doesn't believe she is to blame. To blame a woman's rape on the way she dressed is an insult to men and women. Really the father's views make men seem like they are neanderthals with no self-control. Which is also untrue.
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I have a right not to be attacked, to express myself freely, and to not have my car stolen. If I walk through a gang-infested inner city while my car sits unlocked with the key in the ignition as I shout hateful language and wear a t-shirt that says: "I hate f**king ^insert slur here^"...I'm going to get the crap kicked out of me if not killed, and my car sure as hell is going to get stolen. Is it 0% my fault, as I have a right to do all of those things? How smart would I be to do just that? A woman of course is NOT "asking for it" if she's raped, but her actions can increase or decrease her risk. To say otherwise is dangerous and reckless.
A person has a right to wear whatever they want. They do not have a right to wear whatever they want and expect zero consequences. Don't wear jean shorts and a tank top to a professional job interview then complain about your freedom of expression when you don't get the job. Don't leave $1,000 sitting on the seat in an unlocked car then bitch about it getting stolen. Live in the real world and act appropriately, not in a rhetorical utopia.
Enjoy your rights, but act like a responsible, intelligent adult. A victim of anything who acted irresponsibly will get less sympathy from me than one who acted responsibly.
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OK, I agree with bambi in that the rapist doesnt just see someone and then say, "i think i'll rape her/him". The rapist decides they want to rape someone, then looks for a victem. A lot of factors play into this, most of them having to do with how vulnerable the person is(making it easier for the rapist). Being alone in a dark, sparsely trafficed area is making one more vulnerable. So is dressing "provocatively." by provocatively i mean wearing little clothes. theres less work for the rapist to get the victem into a rapable state, as well as it may draw more attention.
Certainly, everyone has the right to wear as they feel(actually they dont, we in the US are required to cover our genitals, and in some places women are required to cover their breasts/nipples. i disagree with this and say that if someone wants to be completely naked they should be able to.). I'm clearly a firm believer that you should be able to be as revealing as you choose. However, the more revealing you are, the more you're increasing the chance of being raped. THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT THE VICTEMS FAULT. as ive stated, the rapist is a sick fuck whos going to do it anyway.
Im sure that given a choice the rapist would rape the one wearing revealing clothing over the one wearing the burka. However, if everyone wore burkas, then the rapist would just rape them. It wouldnt' do anything to the rate of rape in the country. Therefor, it clearly isn't the victems fault. However, by dressing less provacatively, or in more layers(making it tougher for the rapist to get you naked), would probably decrease your risk of getting raped.
I personally think rapists should be tortured to death in public, but im a sick fuck.





WTF !!!Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76672#msg76672 date=1077506488
What this have to do with rape ?? Your statement about the way a woman dresses is an insult to both men and women. Men are not uncontrolable animals !!..If they were, none us (women) would be safe..And furthermore all of us dancer would not be safe, because not only do we dress suggestively, we also show the world our goodies !!
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Come on Lestat..I know you are smarter than this..Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76672#msg76672 date=1077506488
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I know, and I think we agree. I wouldn't blame a woman for being attacked. I do think they have some options available to them to minimize their risk of being a victim by avoiding dangerous situations. In college there was an awesome pizza shop open late, and as a night owl, I would've loved to go to it. However while closeby, it wasn't in the best part of town and I didn't have a car then. An acquaintence of mine and some of his friends were once attacked by a group of guys on the road I would've had to walk to get there. So even though I have every right to go there and not get attacked, I never did walk there late at night. If I had and were attacked, I wouldn't have felt comfortable ever saying: "there was nothing I could do to prevent it." There was, and perhaps I did prevent an attack by staying home. So I guess I'd phrase it this way: we can blame people for the situations they knowingly choose to enter, but not the crimes other people then choose to commit.Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76674#msg76674 date=1077506888
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This is hardly the same as rape..... you really can't compare these issues with rape.Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76672#msg76672 date=1077506488
I agree bambi......
Rape is all about power and control..... along with many other deep sick psychological issues.
How about children and babies who are raped, molested and abused? ......trust me this is never about the victim and to come up with a way to justify such actions is pathetic and sad.
Seraya.





I never said anything about the clothes a women wears having something to do with her being raped or it having an effect. I do think men and women have control over the situations they choose to enter. I believe a public, well-lit academic conference with security present is a safer situation to be in than at a frat part completely wasted and surrounded by strangers, or hanging out at a crack-den. That's all I'm trying to illustrate: that we can all enhance our safety by the situations we choose to enter, and by our behavior (i.e. getting drunk when you have no friends nearby to take care of you isn't safe).Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76680#msg76680 date=1077507648
Do y'all feel so powerless that you don't think you can enhance your safety by how you choose to act and where you choose to go?
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Once again, what does this have to do what someone being raped ??Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76685#msg76685 date=1077508184
If I chose to work in a bad area of town, which I have done before, I have the right to not have my body violated. Furthermore I have worked in rough areas before and never felt threatened in any way. Why ?? Because the guys there, like most men, were in control of themselves.
Like Bambi said these men chose to rape for certain reasons. Saying that a women asked to be raped by the way she is dressed is just another way of passing the blame and not accepting responsibility. It also shows men as uncontrolable animals, which is not true..
My new love...is me !
Even the greatest authority does not, ultimately, know you as you know yourself.
Jhuka
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Maya Angelou
Nuns get raped. They really dress sexy, don't they?





There is one particular type of rape which is more or less unique to exotic dancers ... involving girls who tease & bleed guys in the extreme. Girls who play the 'game' of luring customers to continue spending big money on the pretense that, if they spend enough for long enough, they may be able to 'score' with the dancer are setting themselves up as potential victims of the guy's frustration. Granted that if the guy does something extreme and irrational it is totally his fault, but the girl is setting herself up as a potential personalized victim, and the guy can rationalize that he's only 'collecting' something at last which he has already bought and paid for.
I think that the majority of people judge you by what you wear. So, alot of people just simply think if she dresses that way she is asking for it. Typical thinking. Wrong but still.....
But, rape? No. Women who are targets of rape are the ones who (usually) behave very withdrawn. She's An easy target. A women who is almost naked having a ball in a bar with a bunch of guys would not be an easy target because she is sure of herself, and not a wallflower, the best bet for her to get raped would be unless she was drugged. Rapists seek out very submissive looking women.
There are exceptions. But rape itself is an act of violence, so the easier the target (dress has no bearing) the better the chance of getting raped.
Dressing provacative makes a women look slutty. Plain and simple to alot of people. I myself think "slutty" dressing has it's time and place.
Pamela





"It was her Huggie Supreme that little slut should never dress like that, it wasn't my fault !!" said by a fictional child rapist..this was only done to prove just how stupid it is to blame rape on the victim's clothing.Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76691#msg76691 date=1077508832
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Some of these post weren't here when i made my firt one so i didn't get to read the rest.....
Lestat i hear what you are saying and agree with you about not putting yourself into dangerous situations but that applies to everything ( which i know you also stated ) but the issue here is..... Does the way a women "dress" make her an easier target or is the rape of a women who is dresses provocatively more justified than a women who is fully clothed. And the answer imo is HELL NO!!!!
Also sanderson i disagree that if that given a choice a rapist would attack a women wearing revealing clothing over the one wearing the burka ..... these kind of men don't care..... like i said its never about the victim they couldn't care less about what you looked like or what you wear they probably don't notice when they see a women/child and are in there f*ucked up state of mind.
Seraya.
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i agree its not about the victem, what im saying is that someone wearing less is an EASIER TARGET. thats all. but likewise. If you're the only one there and hes gonna rape someone, doesn't matter what you're wearing. but i agree with lestat that by wearing less you increase the risk. like i stated earlier though, it doesn't make it your fault if you are raped, regardless of what you're wearing(or not wearing).Originally Posted by seraya (london) link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76700#msg76700 date=1077509698





Rape is a crime of violence/power/control, yes? You don't see any similarity between two different crimes of violence? I think they both relate to safety concerns.Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday link=board=1;threadid=6830;start=msg76693#msg76693 date=1077509187
I didn't realize this thread was posing such a narrow question. I thought the "clothing" issue was an example of a larger rhetorical issue/question of blame, fault and personal responsibility. Speaking solely about clothing, of course it's not her fault for what she wore. See above examples of nuns and babies to see how ridiculous that idea is.
I'm an academic, finding broader issues and theories in ideas is what I've done for years. Also, it's fun for me to debate these broader issues. I wasn't trying to upset anyone or imply that clothing causes rape.
-lestat1
Actually, someone wearing less isn't usually an easier target. The librarian type tends to be introverted (and sometimes timid) while the chick trowing it all out there just might open up a can of whoop-ass (She's obviously an extrovert and obviously not timid) or maybe pepper spray.
I've met chicks that dressed provocatively where I had no doubt she could mop the floor with my skinney ass.



I think I had read somewhere that some rapists look for girls wearing Jean coveralls--like farmers wear--because it is easy to cut the straps and they are loose. Not a very sexy look.
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