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    Yea, go ahead and throw him into the mix with the other "typical men". This guy is on our side, you stupid bitch. But seeing as you NEVER get the point of anything written, you don't see that either. People like you need to be locked in a room and brainwashed. That is your only hope, you don't have the brain capacity to learn. Polecat is NOT trying to intimidate anyone. He doesn't intimidate me in the least. Some people just operate on this level. You are less than common. He's not playing any kind of game, he is trying to educate an obvious idiot. You can't even figure out how to respond to a post. I can understand every word in that post, and I follow his logic perfectly. You are a trained monkey, brainwashed by your boyfriend. I would even cheat on you, and I'm not a cheater. I'm good friends with this person, and I'll tell you what, he is transparent. Transparently compassionate, caring, tolerant, and open-minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79164#msg7916 4 date=1078079909
    And my last post, this thread seems beyond help.

    AMERICAN, i work for 3 WOMEN who are my boss. They are STRAIGHT....Husbands, kids 2 cars dogs cats and on and on and on.....

    I have a strict dress code. Skirts or dresses 2" ubove the knee only, hair tied back or polished in some way. Blouses, tops...No cleaveage.

    Wow sounds like a typical boring dress code. And it is, with out a man to screw my way to the top! I really like that!!

    Don't insult me again please by insinuating i MUST sleep my way to the top to make money.

    Pamela, who gives fantasy where it is needed, and REALITY where it is not, i,e. hospital work.

    I don't believe I accused you of sleeping your way to the top. I was talking about the women in this country who get their way to the top by using their sexuality....and you don't seem to be doing that in your hospital job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79167#msg7916 7 date=1078080890
    Yea, go ahead and throw him into the mix with the other "typical men". This guy is on our side, you stupid bitch. But seeing as you NEVER get the point of anything written, you don't see that either. People like you need to be locked in a room and brainwashed. That is your only hope, you don't have the brain capacity to learn. Polecat is NOT trying to intimidate anyone. He doesn't intimidate me in the least. Some people just operate on this level. You are less than common. He's not playing any kind of game, he is trying to educate an obvious idiot. You can't even figure out how to respond to a post. I can understand every word in that post, and I follow his logic perfectly. You are a trained monkey, brainwashed by your boyfriend. I would even cheat on you, and I'm not a cheater. I'm good friends with this person, and I'll tell you what, he is transparent. Transparently compassionate, tolerant, and open-minded.

    It seems that many of you seem to get a response from people you call a 'bitch.' It won't work with me. Call me whatever you want.
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    I WILL, BITCH. PEOPLE LIKE YOU AREN'T WORTH WORDS UNLESS THEY'RE CURSE WORDS.

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    DIE damned thread.... DIE!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79171#msg7917 1 date=1078082444
    I WILL, BITCH. PEOPLE LIKE YOU AREN'T WORTH WORDS UNLESS THEY'RE CURSE WORDS.

    And I'm the people hater? I wouldn't curse anyone, no matter what they've done to me.
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    YOU'VE ALREADY ADMITTED TO BEING A PEOPLE HATER. I AM AN "AMERICAN" HATER, "AMERICAN" BEING YOU.

    CURSING IS THE ONLY THING YOU DON'T DO. YOU HAVE STEREOTYPED US, HATED US, INSULTED US, AND ABUSED US. FRANKLY, I HOPE YOU GET RUN OVER BY A TRUCK. THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT YOU. WHEN YOU JUST INSULTED MY FRIEND, WHO HAS DONE NOTHING BUT TRY AND HELP YOU, THAT IS WHERE I DREW THE LINE. YOU ARE A STUPID, DUMB BITCH WHO THROWS HATE VIBES OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE TO TRY AND MAKE HAPPY PEOPLE MISERABLE LIKE YOU ARE. DIE, BITCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79180#msg7918 0 date=1078084207
    YOU'VE ALREADY ADMITTED TO BEING A PEOPLE HATER. I AM AN "AMERICAN" HATER, "AMERICAN" BEING YOU.

    CURSING IS THE ONLY THING YOU DON'T DO. YOU HAVE STEREOTYPED US, HATED US, INSULTED US, AND ABUSED US. FRANKLY, I HOPE YOU GET RUN OVER BY A TRUCK. THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT YOU. WHEN YOU JUST INSULTED MY FRIEND, WHO HAS DONE NOTHING BUT TRY AND HELP YOU, THAT IS WHERE I DREW THE LINE. YOU ARE A STUPID, DUMB BITCH WHO THROWS HATE VIBES OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE TO TRY AND MAKE HAPPY PEOPLE MISERABLE LIKE YOU ARE. DIE, BITCH.


    This will probably be my last post to you, because it seems all it does it throw you into a state of uncontrolled rage, which is definitely not good for you.

    I simply gave my "opinion" about what his motives were in his post. I think I'm entitled to my opinion, just like you are when you assume you know why BW and I have come here. I would hope that I could given an opinion without being called a 'bitch' or wished to die. Maybe my opinion was inaccurate, but it was JUST an opinion. Seems to me that you saw truth in it or you wouldn't have gotten so defensive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79154#msg7915 4 date=1078077402
    Most professions in the business world are professions were women can (and do) use their dress and their flirtatious nature and their ability to sleep their way to the top as a tool to get them to the top. And that is just no way to earn respect from men, in my opinion.
    Congratulations! With that quote alone, if you were someone who anyone paid attention to, you would have set feminism (70's, 90's or whatever) back about fifty years. It's still difficult for many competent professional women to command the respect they deserve in many quarters. Resurfacing old canards such as this is the last thing they need. You owe an apology to at least the four female managers and countless female co-workers I have known over the last 15 years, all of whom achieved their status by job expertise and managerial skill, not their bedroom acrobatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79201#msg7920 1 date=1078091292
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79154#msg7915 4 date=1078077402
    Most professions in the business world are professions were women can (and do) use their dress and their flirtatious nature and their ability to sleep their way to the top as a tool to get them to the top. And that is just no way to earn respect from men, in my opinion.
    Congratulations! With that quote alone, if you were someone who anyone paid attention to, you would have set feminism (70's, 90's or whatever) back about fifty years. It's still difficult for many competent professional women to command the respect they deserve in many quarters. Resurfacing old canards such as this is the last thing they need. You owe an apology to at least the four female managers and countless female co-workers I have known over the last 15 years, all of whom achieved their status by job expertise and managerial skill, not their bedroom acrobatics.

    I don't believe I owe anyone an apology, because there are most definitely women like that. It's just getting more common and accepted these days for some reason. Hike up the skirt, lower the blouse, buy tighter clothing, get the sexy eyes and voice going, let the men you work for know you work as a stripper (though maybe some of you strippers keep that private). If you don't realize women like this exist, you haven't stepped foot in many business offices or courtrooms lately, have you? No, all women aren't like that.....FORTUNATELY!! And I wasn't referring specifically to anyone on here. And if you will go back and read my post, I most definitely was not referring to Pamela.
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    Some women flirt and sleep their way to the top, and believe it or not, some men do too. They may not engage in actual sexual intercourse with their male boss, but they brownose, buy presents, take them to stripclubs (hehehe), and go that extra mile to get the promotion....


    Its called ambition, and people use their assets to get what they want. Hard work, intelligence, and devotion are integral parts of ambition, but we perceive those terms differently. The ability to "sell" a product, which includes selling yourself to get that job, project, promotion, etc...involves making people feel good, for them to trust you. Many men use their sexuality to achieve this, but it may be more subtle, or more power based, or simply more emotionally appealing and less irking to you.......

    Also, bashing prostitutes is not helping either side's argument. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, as we all know (Mary Magdelene, anyone?) and is present in all cultures, current and antiquitous......the gender equality that you strive for is a pipe dream.

    We are sexually dymorphic creatures. In the animal kingdom, species that are more physiologically similar seem to have more egalitarian social systems. Men and women have many similar differences that require stratification, at least to some extent, at least it helps maximize our efficiency because we each have our strong competancies, ie childbearing or lifting heavy things...

    Sure, we are not apes, we are civilized and self-actualized. But sometimes you must deconstruct your argument, and consider WHY its not so easy to have gender equality, and why its probably not even ideal....

    Did I use too many big words?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79205#msg7920 5 date=1078092754
    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79201#msg7920 1 date=1078091292
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79154#msg7915 4 date=1078077402
    Most professions in the business world are professions were women can (and do) use their dress and their flirtatious nature and their ability to sleep their way to the top as a tool to get them to the top. And that is just no way to earn respect from men, in my opinion.
    Congratulations! With that quote alone, if you were someone who anyone paid attention to, you would have set feminism (70's, 90's or whatever) back about fifty years. It's still difficult for many competent professional women to command the respect they deserve in many quarters. Resurfacing old canards such as this is the last thing they need. You owe an apology to at least the four female managers and countless female co-workers I have known over the last 15 years, all of whom achieved their status by job expertise and managerial skill, not their bedroom acrobatics.

    I don't believe I owe anyone an apology, because there are most definitely women like that. It's just getting more common and accepted these days for some reason. Hike up the skirt, lower the blouse, buy tighter clothing, get the sexy eyes and voice going, let the men you work for know you work as a stripper (though maybe some of you strippers keep that private). If you don't realize women like this exist, you haven't stepped foot in many business offices or courtrooms lately, have you? No, all women aren't like that.....FORTUNATELY!! And I wasn't referring specifically to anyone on here. And if you will go back and read my post, I most definitely was not referring to Pamela.
    And if you will go back and read my post, I most definitely did not mention Pamela, oh mistress of the red herring. Pamela is taking care of herself quite well. I was discussing the dozens of professional women I work with every day in the business offices of a major corporation, and those we deal with in other businesses as clients or suppliers, all of whom are tarred by your broad-brush attack.

    Certainly the literal phrasing of you quote is true. There is probably no job, from fry cook at McDonald's to CEO of Hewlett-Packard where a woman could not advance in the ways you mention, and undoubtedly for many of these jobs, just as for the job of wife, there are some women who do. But the effect of your phrasing is to indict most women in these jobs, giving ammunition to sexist patriarchal males.

    And where are the statistics behind your contention it is getting more common these days? Or is that, like every other word you have written in these threads, merely your uninformed opinion?

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    Perhaps my last post was a bit harsh. True the opinions and views expressed by american are not opinons or views that I personally share, but to each their own.
    While it is fine to want men to stop objectifying women, and women to stop using their bodies and/or sexuality to advance their careers, it's not going to happen in the near future.
    I feel that your treatment and eventual dismissal of me is insulting, remember you came to this site and started condeming us not the other way around.Yes perhaps I overreacted, but that is to be expected when the gist of your diatribe is that you hate anyone who lives their life a certain way.I feel that I tried to respond with intelligence and after being told over and over again that because I am a man who frequents strip joints or because I work in the sex industry my opinion matters not to you, I finally reacted with anger and spite.
    You said that you do not think you are better than anyone else, yet your posts give the distinct impression that you do in fact think you are superior to at least men.
    Before you object..was it not you who refused to reply to polecat because "he was obviously a man trying to do what I said in my last post. I wasn't interested in playing his game, as I said."
    The game was trying to intimidate you with his intelligence,are you so naive to believe that men cannot be intelligent?You speak of him using words that aren't found in everyday conversations, yet you use words like agape to descibe love...Who the hell says agape?
    So let's see if my responding to you with my intelligence instead of my anger educes a rebuttal from you(yes stripclub dj's can have an iq over 25)

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    Let's all play a game. It's called "Who can ignore this thread and it's creator?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79233#msg7923 3 date=1078098448
    Some women flirt and sleep their way to the top, and believe it or not, some men do too. They may not engage in actual sexual intercourse with their male boss, but they brownose, buy presents, take them to stripclubs (hehehe), and go that extra mile to get the promotion....


    Its called ambition, and people use their assets to get what they want. Hard work, intelligence, and devotion are integral parts of ambition, but we perceive those terms differently. The ability to "sell" a product, which includes selling yourself to get that job, project, promotion, etc...involves making people feel good, for them to trust you. Many men use their sexuality to achieve this, but it may be more subtle, or more power based, or simply more emotionally appealing and less irking to you.......

    Also, bashing prostitutes is not helping either side's argument. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, as we all know (Mary Magdelene, anyone?) and is present in all cultures, current and antiquitous......the gender equality that you strive for is a pipe dream.

    We are sexually dymorphic creatures. In the animal kingdom, species that are more physiologically similar seem to have more egalitarian social systems. Men and women have many similar differences that require stratification, at least to some extent, at least it helps maximize our efficiency because we each have our strong competancies, ie childbearing or lifting heavy things...

    Sure, we are not apes, we are civilized and self-actualized. But sometimes you must deconstruct your argument, and consider WHY its not so easy to have gender equality, and why its probably not even ideal....

    Did I use too many big words?

    You say my wish for appropriate gender quality is a pipe dream. I would like to ask why you say that?

    Women have done a beautiful job turning even the decent men in this country into a bunch of perverts......why not use your power in a more constructive way?

    Seems I am striving to 'improve' society in a decent way. Maybe some of you will change your story in years to come when you finally see it's not working for you and your looks and bodies become old and wrinkled and your husbands leave you for younger, more beautiful women (you sure won't be the sex able to get a young stud). Unfortunately, the used up old perverted, ugly, fat, and bald rich man will always find some young broad only interested in money, social status, and attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade is a D.j. link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79260#msg7926 0 date=1078104270
    Perhaps my last post was a bit harsh. True the opinions and views expressed by american are not opinons or views that I personally share, but to each their own.
    While it is fine to want men to stop objectifying women, and women to stop using their bodies and/or sexuality to advance their careers, it's not going to happen in the near future.
    I feel that your treatment and eventual dismissal of me is insulting, remember you came to this site and started condeming us not the other way around.Yes perhaps I overreacted, but that is to be expected when the gist of your diatribe is that you hate anyone who lives their life a certain way.I feel that I tried to respond with intelligence and after being told over and over again that because I am a man who frequents strip joints or because I work in the sex industry my opinion matters not to you, I finally reacted with anger and spite.
    You said that you do not think you are better than anyone else, yet your posts give the distinct impression that you do in fact think you are superior to at least men.
    Before you object..was it not you who refused to reply to polecat because "he was obviously a man trying to do what I said in my last post. I wasn't interested in playing his game, as I said."
    The game was trying to intimidate you with his intelligence,are you so naive to believe that men cannot be intelligent?You speak of him using words that aren't found in everyday conversations, yet you use words like agape to descibe love...Who the hell says agape?
    So let's see if my responding to you with my intelligence instead of my anger educes a rebuttal from you(yes stripclub dj's can have an iq over 25)

    Yes, I definitely respond much better to someone who actually wants to talk about the issues. So thank you for changing the tone of your post.

    I would like to ask you, Blade, IF it were possible to have a gorgeous, blue-eyed, long-haired blonde (may not be your hair color but just imagine), who works out every single day, 5'5", 125 pounds, tight and toned and tan, who is the mother of your beautiful children, who is extremely uninhibited in the bedroom, who loves to give you oral sex ANYTIME you ask her (but you have to be sweet and not demand it), who will dance for you to turn you on, loves anal sex if you love anal sex, loves to bring herself to orgasm while you watch, loves to receive oral sex, keeps up her appearance, takes care of your home, is there when you want to talk, and proves by her actions that she only fantasizes about YOU.......wouldn't you rather have this kind of woman than a woman that takes off her clothes to turn other men on and talks about other men's gorgeous, muscular, perfect bodies all the time?

    Well............I am that kind of woman. And you know what? You probably don't believe it. And if you don't, then that proves my point that you are hanging around the wrong kind of woman. But again, maybe you're not interested in this kind of woman? Many men actually are. They just are starting to believe that women like me don't exist. And we are definitely becoming a dying breed.
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    Ok, I knew this person was an idiot. Now I am convinced that this person is also a sick whacko. You need to consider therapy, and a psychiatric evaluation. No one here can follow your reasoning. What are you trying to do, break up his marriage? I am beginning to believe that you may be a fatal-attraction type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade is a D.j. link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79260#msg7926 0 date=1078104270
    Perhaps my last post was a bit harsh. True the opinions and views expressed by american are not opinons or views that I personally share, but to each their own.
    While it is fine to want men to stop objectifying women, and women to stop using their bodies and/or sexuality to advance their careers, it's not going to happen in the near future.
    I feel that your treatment and eventual dismissal of me is insulting, remember you came to this site and started condeming us not the other way around.Yes perhaps I overreacted, but that is to be expected when the gist of your diatribe is that you hate anyone who lives their life a certain way.I feel that I tried to respond with intelligence and after being told over and over again that because I am a man who frequents strip joints or because I work in the sex industry my opinion matters not to you, I finally reacted with anger and spite.
    You said that you do not think you are better than anyone else, yet your posts give the distinct impression that you do in fact think you are superior to at least men.
    Before you object..was it not you who refused to reply to polecat because "he was obviously a man trying to do what I said in my last post. I wasn't interested in playing his game, as I said."
    The game was trying to intimidate you with his intelligence,are you so naive to believe that men cannot be intelligent?You speak of him using words that aren't found in everyday conversations, yet you use words like agape to descibe love...Who the hell says agape?
    So let's see if my responding to you with my intelligence instead of my anger educes a rebuttal from you(yes stripclub dj's can have an iq over 25)

    Blade, I do not hate men, I can promise you that. But like I have said, I don't like the behavior that many men and women have these days. I think, as a woman, I am put on this earth to be a man's helpmate, his supporter, his wife, the mother to his children. And this next comment will really get these women going because they will think I am someone who allows a man to control me, and that is most definitely not true!! But what I have found if you love a man like a man is supposed to be loved, give him his place in the family unit, he will give you everything. Women are trying to stand in front of a man.....this is simply not the way things are supposed to be.

    And I have met some extremely intelligent men. So no, that assumption is not correct either. And I promise I am not saying that men or women who work in the sex industry are not intelligent. It is my opinion that they are using their intelligence in a way that is self-destructive and disrespectful of themselves (that is an opinion, by the way!) There are geniuses on death row, you know (not saying you guys are that way, I promise...only making a point).

    You made a comment about my use of the term 'agape love,' so I'll try my best to explain it. There are three kinds of love: phileo, agape, and eros.

    Eros is what we are most familiar with and is sexual in nature (a self-fullfilling love). Phileo is like a brotherly type love. And Agape has to do with the mind and is spiritual in nature. Agape is not an emotion; it is a principle by which we deliberately live. It is the kind of love that we are to have for our enemies.

    Phileo and agape are actually the only two that are really love, though, because it is self-sacrificing, for others. Like I said, eros is not really love because it is self-fulfilling, for self.

    Does this make sense? I may not be explaining it very well. But love has nothing to do with self, believe it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79283#msg7928 3 date=1078108666
    Ok, I knew this person was an idiot. Now I am convinced that this person is also a sick whacko. You need to consider therapy, and a psychiatric evaluation. No one here can follow your reasoning. What are you trying to do, break up his marriage? I am beginning to believe that you may be a fatal-attraction type.

    No, I'm not trying to break up his marriage. I already have a man. But maybe it might get him thinking about getting his beautiful wife and himself (and his children) away from this environment. I wasn't always here myself. I had an extremely difficult time not fantasizing about other men (and women for that matter) while I was polluting my mind with strip clubs, porn magazines, Internet porn, involving another woman in the bedroom, and fantasizing verbally about other partners with each other. And it takes a while away from this crap to get it out of your mind.
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    Ok now it's MY turn..... this is Blade's wife for the few who don't know it yet.I was going to stay out of these rediculous posts because well to be honest I have better things to do with my time but now I feel it's time to say a few things. I don't know who you think you are but you are obviously very misled to think that YOU are the perfect women for all or most men. You asked my husband if he can imagine " a gorgeous , blue-eyed, long-haired blonde (may not be your hair color but just imagine), who works out every single day, 5'5", 125 pounds, tight and toned and tan, who is the mother of your beautiful children, who is extremely uninhibited in the bedroom, who loves to give you oral sex ANYTIME you ask her (but you have to be sweet and not demand it), who will dance for you to turn you on, loves anal sex if you love anal sex, loves to bring herself to orgasm while you watch, loves to receive oral sex, keeps up her appearance, takes care of your home, is there when you want to talk, and proves by her actions that she only fantasizes about YOU"

    Well sweetheart I may not be blonde hair and blue eyed( I have black hair and green eyes) and I may not be 5'5 125( I am more like 5'10" and 155) but i assure you that EVERYTHING else you have made mention I also am very into and then some!!!!
    As far as "wouldn't you rather have this kind of woman than a woman that takes off her clothes to turn other men on and talks about other men's gorgeous, muscular, perfect bodies all the time?"
    Yes I am a dancer that is my JOB for now. As far as talking about other men gorgeous, muscular,perfect bodies all the time..... both he and I can appreciate someone else who takes good care of themselves MALE AND FEMALES alike!!! And yes we both look and talk about them together!!!

    Now the point in which you say you are that kind of woman and if he doesn't believe you than he hangs with the wrong kind of woman...I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!! You have shown nothing to even remotely show you are open-minded and uninhibited. All you have shown me is that you are very closed-minded, judgemental, and stuck up! Most men that I have talked to (inside and outside of my work environment) want all that you have mentioned AND to be able to fantasize with their partners. You saying that you don't look and don't want a man that looks at another woman goes against human nature. Every man and woman looks at others and if you are with someone that says he doesn't or he doesn't have fantasies about someone else or you with another woman...WAKE UP HONEY he is lying to you!!!!! We as human animals can not help it , it is part of being human and a part of nature.

    In closing I thank the gods I am not part of the "dying breed" , that I will go on to teach my daughters how to be openminded with all in their lives not just their sexuality, not to be afraid to be whoever or whatever they feel they want to be when they are grown and last but not least how to be a strong independant woman that can choose for her own paths and not to follow the mindset of people who judge others.


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    Erotic hun... don't worry just as me and Blade check out others together we also laugh at her posts together...actually I am starting not to laugh anymore and feel bad for her. Sounds to me she leds a very boring life and is also clueless that her man is in fact looking and fantasizing and won't tell her because she can't handle it.


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    I am sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience. I too have had bad experiences with Christians and due to that I do not attend church nor do I plan to ever start doing so. Not just one bad experience but many (one wouldn't be enough to turn me off)...like yourself, I feel that too many Christians are backstabbers who freely sin then condemn others. I avoid churches completely except for things like weddings and funerals. I haven't attended church since I was a kid.
    At least you learned from that and can still see positive things from certain people that you encountered despite their faults. In my opinion, genuinely good people can be found everywhere....both in and out of the churches.

    I was a DEVOUT Christian and had all the morals and ethics that come with it--I was appalled by the sex industry as a whole and felt it was immoral. However, I never belittled the women who chose to partake in it.
    I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am trying to have a discussion on this discussion message board. I am not trying to belittle strippers for their profession or nudity in general.
    I have an opinion - if it doesn't match others then I can see why their feelings might be hurt. At the same time, if they are comfortable with who they are and what they do then I would think that my opinion wouldn't bother them and discussing this with topic would be OK. I am not sitting here calling them names, threatening them, or anything like that.
    When Christians tell me that I'm going to hell....I don't even blink at that b/c it doesn't phase me. I can discuss the issue with them comfortably even though we both strongly disagree b/c I am completely comfortable and confident in my beliefs.
    I find it interesting that I've heard from many people that I have defended myself honorably, been mature regarding my comments, etc. etc. THEN in the next breathe I hear but you are "out of hand"? To me that is a contradiction. If I am being mature and honorable then how am I also "out of hand"??? Why aren't more strippers confident and independent? Now, I have met a few on here that I feel have some of those qualities...Mariah, VenusGoddess, & Ami are 3 that I recall offhand who I feel displayed some confidence, independence, and maturity.
    One theme that I've heard over and over on this message board is that 'outsiders' (non-strippers) do not really understand strippers so some of them wish to educate people. I am not taking this seriously at all.....the discussion. It is just that, a discussion. I just find it interesting and fascinating - enough to chat about this topic. I don't recall offering to help anyone nor is that a goal or concern of mine. Likewise, I'm not asking for help.
    I simply had some free time on my hands b/c I had my wisdom teeth pulled and thought I'd surf the net and post on this message board. It really is not that big of a deal.
    If people want to talk about this fine....if not that is fine too. There are so many other threads on this board for people who don't want to discuss this to go to.

    But, if you tell them in such a way that only ignites dislike, hatred, miscommunication, or any other negative effect, are you helping them? Are you changing their mind? Certainly not. I'm all for helping people--it's a major part of my life--but you can never force a person to change....ESPECIALLY if you love them.
    What happened to your advice about not belittling people? If you are going to give a long post telling people not to be rude.....then give reasons why being rude shouldn't be done.....plus give life examples of how you've witnessed people being rude to others....then why would you end your post with this?

    American--you really need to shut the hell up--you can't make an intelligent argument...if you can even CALL in an "argument"...to save your life. BW, I see that you are trying....however, please realize that your efforts are now in vain...people have plugged their ears and started humming. At least for my own personal sanity, have at least the respect for this forum as a community for strippers, people in the sex industry, and their supporters and patrons and just back out quiety. You won't change a single mind here--we've ALL been confronted with this situation before (you're not the first to point this stuff out)--and we've chosen this side of the fence time and time again--you will NOT be the one to change our minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79295#msg7929 5 date=1078111228
    Ok now it's MY turn..... this is Blade's wife for the few who don't know it yet.I was going to stay out of these rediculous posts because well to be honest I have better things to do with my time but now I feel it's time to say a few things. I don't know who you think you are but you are obviously very misled to think that YOU are the perfect women for all or most men. You asked my husband if he can imagine " a gorgeous , blue-eyed, long-haired blonde (may not be your hair color but just imagine), who works out every single day, 5'5", 125 pounds, tight and toned and tan, who is the mother of your beautiful children, who is extremely uninhibited in the bedroom, who loves to give you oral sex ANYTIME you ask her (but you have to be sweet and not demand it), who will dance for you to turn you on, loves anal sex if you love anal sex, loves to bring herself to orgasm while you watch, loves to receive oral sex, keeps up her appearance, takes care of your home, is there when you want to talk, and proves by her actions that she only fantasizes about YOU"

    Well sweetheart I may not be blonde hair and blue eyed( I have black hair and green eyes) and I may not be 5'5 125( I am more like 5'10" and 155) but i assure you that EVERYTHING else you have made mention I also am very into and then some!!!!
    As far as "wouldn't you rather have this kind of woman than a woman that takes off her clothes to turn other men on and talks about other men's gorgeous, muscular, perfect bodies all the time?"
    Yes I am a dancer that is my JOB for now. As far as talking about other men gorgeous, muscular,perfect bodies all the time..... both he and I can appreciate someone else who takes good care of themselves MALE AND FEMALES alike!!! And yes we both look and talk about them together!!!

    Now the point in which you say you are that kind of woman and if he doesn't believe you than he hangs with the wrong kind of woman...I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!! You have shown nothing to even remotely show you are open-minded and uninhibited. All you have shown me is that you are very closed-minded, judgemental, and stuck up! Most men that I have talked to (inside and outside of my work environment) want all that you have mentioned AND to be able to fantasize with their partners. You saying that you don't look and don't want a man that looks at another woman goes against human nature. Every man and woman looks at others and if you are with someone that says he doesn't or he doesn't have fantasies about someone else or you with another woman...WAKE UP HONEY he is lying to you!!!!! We as human animals can not help it , it is part of being human and a part of nature.

    In closing I thank the gods I am not part of the "dying breed" , that I will go on to teach my daughters how to be openminded with all in their lives not just their sexuality, not to be afraid to be whoever or whatever they feel they want to be when they are grown and last but not least how to be a strong independant woman that can choose for her own paths and not to follow the mindset of people who judge others.

    Deanna, it is nice to hear from you. You are definitely beautiful and have a great body.

    I was simply being completely honest and upfront with him, whether you want to believe it or not. Why do you assume a woman is uptight, frigid, and inhibited if she doesn't want to share her body with the world? That is rather odd thinking to me.

    And at the end of my post, I stated that some men may not like that kind of woman. Some men really get off in fantasy world. No problem. But yes, there are MEN and WOMEN who are don't objectify human beings. You just haven't been around them.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    Please lets keep the topic moving...if it just becomes the same arguments over and over, I will be locking this thread.
    We all imagine ourselves the agents of our destiny, capable of determining our own fate. But have we truly any choice in when we rise, or when we fall, or does a force larger than ourselves bid us our direction. Is it evolution that takes us by the hand, does Science point our way, or is it God who intervenes keeping us safe.

    So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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    Well unlike you american I NEVER generalized all women that don't "share their bodies with the world" as uptight,figid and inhibited in fact I didn't even use those words so please DO NOT put words in my mouth. I do not generalize anyone since I don't appreaciate when it is done to me. The comment I made was directed towards you and what I have seen in your posts. And my response to your last comment I didn't disagree with you on what i said. I know many people that don't objectify others in any way shape or form so don't tell me who I have been around or who I know. What I said was if you think that your man never thinks about another or never looks at another he is lying to you... unless he never leaves the house, never goes online, and you don't own a t.v..


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