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    Was it really necessary to quote the same post twice in a row? (inspired by Lexi)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79625#msg7962 5 date=1078185565
    Was it really necessary to quote the same post twice in a row? (inspired by Lexi)....

    Oh, my gosh, I didn't realize there were rules like that!!! Will someone please send me the StripperWeb rule book ASAP!! You girls have some strict rules, I'm telling you. WOW!!
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    And so with that information, it definitely makes sense why you get so upset and get furious with my views.....I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth
    Aaaaaaaaaah, I return from a day of suffering from a bout of "stripper flu" to see that this debate has gone the way of all conversations with fundies: Neenerneener....you're going to hell while I'll be double-teaming Jesus and St. Peter".....

    I'm scurrrrrrrred....

    "Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
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    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    What happened with the other thread???

    "Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
    "And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion

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    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79623#msg7962 3 date=1078185332
    I don't think you would recognize Jesus if he was standing right in your face.
    Ah, and now we get the impled claim to being Jesus. It's a slam-dunk- you're a psychopath.
    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270

    Just to set the record straight, BW does not support the Christian groups that I am a part of, so don't link her to the sites on my AOL profile.
    To set the record even straighter, I've never mentioned BW. The quotes were all yours, as was the reference to your site.

    And I'm proud that someone finally did some checking on me...something I expected. Why would I give you my e-mail address if I didn't want you to find out more information about me. What took you so long, my friends?
    You're playing rather fast and loose with that "friends" bit. I happen to be a tad more discerning in my friends than you assume.

    And so with that information, it definitely makes sense why you get so upset and get furious with my views.....
    You don't have a view that I can see. You have mass hatred and a despite for everyone who doesn't bow down to your supposed perfection.

    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o
    Sadly, you do not realize that Buddha keeps track of your hatred and you will pay penance for it in the afterlife. Here's hoping that you mend your ways before it is too late.

    By the way, pride is an abomination before Yahweh and using your body like that to tempt Blade, a married man, makes you a common harlot. So you're screwed either way.

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    Katrine, Pryce blended the two threads in the same manner that he did Danielle's Drama.
    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79623#msg7962 3 date=1078185332
    I don't think you would recognize Jesus if he was standing right in your face.
    Funny, Jesus' disciples didn't even recognize him after the resurrection.. until he broke bread and did the first prayer... and they were with him for quite some time prior.. I wish the thumpers actually read what they were thumping so as they might make a little sense.

    Besides, if the second-coming ever happens, I'm buying that guy a lapdance. We can repent together over a pint at the local pub afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270
    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o
    Ahh yes, I remember seeing your type when I was in college. They would stand outside the student union and tell us all that we were ALL going to hell. Some made the mistake of doing their proselyting a wee bit too close to the campus fountain.


    I wouldn't worry everybody. American is just sour that she's reserved to condemning us through the internet as opposed to having her holier than thou minions hunt us all down, incarcirate us, and burn us at the stake.

    By the record that she's shown here, she'll be burning in Hades with the rest of us. Maybe you can let her borrow your sunblock.
    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270
    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o
    Oh gosh, who was it who said..."Judge not, lest ye be judged"

    Gee, I know I've read that somewhere before! *smirk*

    Go jump in a lake of fire yerself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79659#msg7965 9 date=1078191766
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270

    Just to set the record straight, BW does not support the Christian groups that I am a part of, so don't link her to the sites on my AOL profile.
    To set the record even straighter, I've never mentioned BW. The quotes were all yours, as was the reference to your site.

    And I'm proud that someone finally did some checking on me...something I expected. Why would I give you my e-mail address if I didn't want you to find out more information about me. What took you so long, my friends?
    You're playing rather fast and loose with that "friends" bit. I happen to be a tad more discerning in my friends than you assume.

    And so with that information, it definitely makes sense why you get so upset and get furious with my views.....
    You don't have a view that I can see. You have mass hatred and a despite for everyone who doesn't bow down to your supposed perfection.

    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o
    Sadly, you do not realize that Buddha keeps track of your hatred and you will pay penance for it in the afterlife. Here's hoping that you mend your ways before it is too late.

    By the way, pride is an abomination before Yahweh and using your body like that to tempt Blade, a married man, makes you a common harlot. So you're screwed either way.

    Blessed be,
    Lilith, devoted child to the Goddess of the same name




    You might think I mentioned that to merely irritate you. You would be correct.

    You are brilliant!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79665#msg7966 5 date=1078192182
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79623#msg7962 3 date=1078185332
    I don't think you would recognize Jesus if he was standing right in your face.
    Funny, Jesus' disciples didn't even recognize him after the resurrection.. until he broke bread and did the first prayer... and they were with him for quite some time prior.. I wish the thumpers actually read what they were thumping so as they might make a little sense.

    Besides, if the second-coming ever happens, I'm buying that guy a lapdance. We can repent together over a pint at the local pub afterwards.


    You are exactly correct in your statement about Jesus' disciplines.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79674#msg7967 4 date=1078193325
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270
    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o
    Oh gosh, who was it who said..."Judge not, lest ye be judged"

    Gee, I know I've read that somewhere before! *smirk*

    Go jump in a lake of fire yerself.

    Yes, and as I've said before, I am ready to be judged by the same measure I am judging you.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    First of all, what I do is between me and GOD. It is people like you that reaffirm my actions in running away from religion-PERIOD. And, for the record, I was raised Christian, and all those brothers and sisters.. well they treated me like crap-I have been treated better by people who have had no values or religious beliefs than those belonging to organized religion. And, I do believe strongly in God.. however, you, along with anyone else has no right to say who is going to hell, because if I am correct here, your initials are not J.C. What anyone does is between them and God, and if you read your good book accordingly, I’d love to challenge you to some scriptures that will state my case in point! And quite honestly, as someone said recently, if heaven is going to be filled with closed minded assholes, I’d rather be in hell.. the company would be better! One more thing American: WWJD (what would Jesus do) I do not think he’d be posting on a site telling everyone that they are going to hell….. point made: You are just like every other Christian I have ever met-judgmental and accusing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79676#msg7967 6 date=1078194075
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270
    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o



    First of all, what I do is between me and GOD. It is people like you that reaffirm my actions in running away from religion-PERIOD. And, for the record, I was raised Christian, and all those brothers and sisters.. well they treated me like crap-I have been treated better by people who have had no values or religious beliefs than those belonging to organized religion. And, I do believe strongly in God.. however, you, along with anyone else has no right to say who is going to hell, because if I am correct here, your initials are not J.C. What anyone does is between them and God, and if you read your good book accordingly, I’d love to challenge you to some scriptures that will state my case in point! And quite honestly, as someone said recently, if heaven is going to be filled with closed minded assholes, I’d rather be in hell.. the company would be better! One more thing American: WWJD (what would Jesus do) I do not think he’d be posting on a site telling everyone that they are going to hell….. point made: You are just like every other Christian I have ever met-judgmental and accusing.

    I don't think Jesus was getting drunk with the drunkards and sleeping with the prostitutes and fantasizing about the dancers he spent time around. I believe he was preaching and teaching them, trying to convert them. And his disciples did the same thing. In addition to that, he commanded his believers to spread the gospel too. If you were raised Christian (and if you consider yourself to be a Christian and a believer), have you read the scriptures that commands you to teach the gospel? If you have, you can understand that by me being here pointing out sin is something He would want me to do (although the reason we are here is because of BW and not my Christian views). If you read her posts, she has been hardened in ways that are similar to yours. I've been thankful over the last several years that I wasn't raised in a church (for several reasons). BW is here to discuss the issues separately from Christianity or religion. She's just trying to understand the stripper mentality. So everyone's assumption that we are here to convict you of sin is simply not true.

    You mentioned Christians treated you like crap? Why? Because they didn't agree with your lifestyle?

    And I didn't name anyone specifically who is going to hell. But the scriptures are full of descriptions of people who seem to fit the descriptions of many on here.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    I can't believe you would spend the short amount of time you have on this earth spreading hate in the name of God. I have two sinful choices:

    1) Continue to live happily and hate-free, as a dancer

    2) Join you and your judgemental Christian cult in spreading hate throughout the world

    Hmmm... wonder which one I should choose???




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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79681#msg7968 1 date=1078195276

    I don't think Jesus was getting drunk with the drunkards
    1 John, Chapter 2

    I believe he was preaching and teaching them, trying to convert them. And his disciples did the same thing.
    Actually, his strongest distaste was reserved for the pompous, holier-than-thou Pharisees. Not that this fact is ironic, or anything.


    In addition to that, he commanded his believers to spread the gospel too.
    Ooooh, really? So all I have to do is be exactly like you and I too can tell people how much better I am and how they are scum for not being exactly like me? Where do I sign up?

    Frankly, if you are an example of what Jesus can do then I shall pass the "opportunity".

    If you have, you can understand that by me being here pointing out sin is something He would want me to do
    First remove the beam from your own eye.

    If you have, you can understand that by me being here pointing out sin is something He would want me to do....

    So everyone's assumption that we are here to convict you of sin is simply not true.

    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell...
    I don't think even you know why you are here.

    You mentioned Christians treated you like crap? Why? Because they didn't agree with your lifestyle?
    She states that she was a child, so I'd love to know by which scripture a Christian would justify treating a child like crap for their lifestyle. Hey,. I'll settle for which scripture justifies treating anyone like crap, child or no, regardless of their lifestyle.

    And I didn't name anyone specifically who is going to hell. But the scriptures are full of descriptions of people who seem to fit the descriptions of many on here.
    Sure. Pharisees, prideful harlots and the like are mentioned in scripture.
    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79622#msg7962 2 date=1078185270

    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell when that day of judgment comes. And that, guys and girls, is simply the truth. :o
    And just who gave U the right to convict anyone of anything

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    First of all, I was treated like crap PRIOR to being a dancer… not afterwards.. and, I do not claim to be a Christian, I claim to be spiritual. I understand your convictions and your desires to preach, however, this is simply not the place to do so. Stand on a corner or something, but not here. And, I do correct you in stating that you did say that everyone was going to hell. Again, what I do, as well as anyone else, is between God and that person. NOT between someone who is trying to save souls or preach to another person. GOD has the final decision and the person who is being judged. Fine for you to state what you believe (it is a free country, but again, this is not the place) I have no desire to get into a religious thread, again, I have no respect for any organized religion, and I will never set foot again in a church, you are chewing up space that could be used for other purposes. I do not judge anyone, however I refuse to stay silent when someone such as yourself comes onto this forum and starts preaching. You do not know us, nor we you, however you feel it necessary to "condemn" our lifestyles, or choice of profession- which I’d like to clarify is NOT being a whore or a prostitute.. It is an art and not everyone is good at it… and until you experience it (or perhaps you have) I wouldn’t judge until you’ve walked in my shoes or anyone elses (I should warn you though, that the heels are very high.. sometimes up to 8 inches!) I also think that anything could be deemed erotic.. I have not an ounce of respect for anyone who wishes to condemn anyone for their choices, because again, those are choices that only the person who made them knows the reasons as to why they were made. Only God makes the final call, not you or anyone else. Find your ministry elsewhere.. this is not the place. I think many of my fellow colleagues would agree with me.


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    Polecat,

    American: I am personally sick and tired of walking down the street, going to Wal-Mart, while most every man who sees me turns around and checks out my ass or breasts (and I'm not dressed provocatively at all!) or turns to see what pretty woman is in the car when I drive by. I'm tired of being treated by men in this way.
    The question is, why exactly are you tired of being "treated" this way?
    I think I have explained this in another post, but basically, I was not placed on this earth for male sexual pleasure and I don’t care much for being treated that way. My outward appearance is not what makes me ME (which I realize most on here don’t care too much for ME!) But anyway......if a woman meets society’s standard of beautiful, she is considered more valuable and a trophy, which is absolutely and totally ridiculous. Whether you want to admit it or not, women in this country are obsessed about their appearance. And most of the time those obsessed with their appearance also are obsessed with money and social status.



    I say this as men receive the same if they are exceptional. Body builders, "hunkish" men that compete and whatnot are similarly gawked at by women when going to the gym, at the grocery store- even if wearing non-provocative clothing. You don't ever hear men complaining though as it's societally accepted. I read it that you are still living a mindset created by men to force you to feel guilty or "cheap" about your sexuality. This mindset was conditioned into you since the self-awareness of your sexuality is deemed "dirty" or "improper"...
    The bodybuilders and hunkish men who get their rocks off from their appearance (similar to the women on here), of course, aren’t the ones complaining. Again, do you hear the girls on here complaining about their beauty? I sure haven’t. They’re living it up for the attention they get....and for another reason that I didn’t realize until coming here....for the love of money.

    But a lot of men outside of the hunkish, bodybuilder image do have problems with self-esteem. And men’s self-esteems are going to be affected even moreso in the coming years with all the messages currently being received about weight loss, how to achieve the perfect muscular tanned body, how to grow a full head of hair, how to have a hard and huge penis, how to please your woman so you don’t loose her to the young stud out to get her.

    The average man (even moreso than the average woman) does not like his woman talking about other men’s bodies. From my experiences, men don’t like to share their women any more than women like to share their men. Men are just better at not admitting it and making it look like something else.....showing they have this side to them is a sign of weakness. Though not all male strip clubs are like this, but at least when male strippers come to town here....it’s usually ladies only. The men aren’t even allowed in the same place! What’s that telling you? Male strip clubs will never be popular or nationwide because men simply won’t put up with it....and rightly so. It’s just time for women not to put up with it either.



    In a sea of Honda's, Toyota's and SUV's, a Ferrari in the mix is stared at and people look. It's a natural reaction to something unusual, dare-say sexy and provocative. Things that get our attention have a natural inclination to GET that attention. To inhibit such is a travesty as we are denying our inner instincts. Men have been conditioned to live freely this way for centuries- we can look at the attractive woman and be pleased by her eloquent form, style and beauty. Women have been conditioned to be uptight, inhibited and conservative. Many cultures even force the wearing of burkas or exposing of no flesh, but the reverse isn't true for men since women aren't tolerated to be "harlots" and look at the toned garden worker. Stronger discipline is placed on women for their natural urges, and to ease such discipline for men- it's either culturally accepted they gawk and look openly, or women are chided/inhibited from exposing flesh to remove the temptation.
    You say to inhibit such an urge is a travesty? What in the world are you talking about? Maybe your mother or father should have been given the freedom to beat the crap out of you all the times they had that ‘urge.’

    Yes, of course, the sexual urge is necessary for procreation (as is anger for survival), but with as with any human urge, there comes a lot of responsibility and necessity to learn self-control (hopefully in the early years of life). Sex is THE greatest emotional and spiritual bond that exists between a man and a woman, and to pervert that in any way by including a third human being is simply a disgrace.

    Yes, some men have been conditioned to live freely for centuries. But not in all communities. And you think that just because some cultures find it ‘socially-acceptable’ for a man to be a whore and a slut, that it’s time for the female to rise up and be his equal? That is just preposterous. I think the better approach would be to require ‘stronger discipline’ (as you label it) on both men and women....and not the opposite scenario as you propose.



    American: We don't like the double standard in this country anymore than any of you women on here. We just think that possibly women are going about 'improving' the double standard in this country in the wrong way. Women are against women when we actually give men what they want.....more visuals, multiple partners, and free passes to the strip club.
    Nobody likes the double-standard once you see where it's roots are derived from. It's unprogressive and single-sided.

    If you flip the tables and think for a moment from the alternate perspective- it's currently men against men, and we give women what WE want. We are also completely societally uninhibited sexually and allowed to react to our urges.. and we can damn well wear whatever we please anywhere and have NO pathos or controlling mind games about the reaction or how we should feel from outside visual attention.

    Read that last paragraph as many times as needed before it sinks in. THAT is the model that is needed for women to become true equals- to rise to that level.
    Do you really believe a young, gorgeous, muscular, tall, fit and tanned man WITH hair walks along the average beach (or neighborhood pool) wearing a sexy black Speedo that shows off his huge package won’t raise a few eyebrows? Yes, I think it most definitely would. Usually I see the fat, hairy, old bald men on the beach wearing the Speedos!! I guess I’m not going to the right beaches! Anyway....this is just an opinion, but I think if the model of man you describe were to walk along the average family beach or swim in the average family neighborhood pool, men would absolutely throw a fit. I don’t think we see this very often because, one, it is NOT socially-acceptable for men to wear next to nothing (as you say) and, two, because the majority of men won’t lower themselves to a sexual object standard.



    People wonder why (predominantly white) men control most of the power and wealth in the world, it's because it's a bred and conditioned instinct of competition from birth on (men vs men). You can choose to believe it's due to the shape of the organ found in their pants, skin color, race or whathaveyou.. I'll continue to associate with those that know better, and prove it wrong all the time.
    What you have described is most definitely a bred and conditioned behavior...but it’s not instinct and not there from birth (as you also say). It’s not both. Men seeking control, wealth, and power through competition is learned behavior. Society teaches men to be this way. Society also teaches men to treat women like sex objects! Men aren’t born that way either.

    On another note, take the black man for instance. It seems he is bred and conditioned to be much more sexually aggressive than any white male. Go figure! Maybe all of us women need to give up our white man and go for the black man! Seems like many are. And that’s because women are getting all of these images from the entertainment industry that the black man is everything they want if they are looking for sex and attention. (By the way, I don’t have a problem with bi-racial relationships, but I do have a problem with the kind of black male that is portrayed in the entertainment industry these days.)



    American: And yes, I personally feel that when a woman dresses a certain way out in public, she is most definitely trying to get my "man's" attention. I think this is malicious, deceitful, and very disrespectful to me as a fellow woman. (I know that she is like this because I enjoyed 'stealing' away that attention from other women in years past, unfortunately.)
    Yeah, and? Some big, buffed cutey patootie beef-cakes walks by in a muscle-shirt and my girlfriend checks him out. So what? Being self-actualized sexually allows retention emphasis on intellect, character, personality, power, attitude and all that's truly important in relationships. While women that subscribe to your model are perpetually worried about getting saggy, putting on weight, or old/wrinkly, men continue to get beer-bellies, balding and stop going to the gym. How fair to you as a woman is the model you're trying to propensify?

    So, you would rather create a more controlling, Muslim-style society where women are required to "bundle-up", expose no flesh and all for the sake of allowing men a complete lack of discipline? Unless what you are saying is we become a male and female burka-wearing society, what you are proposing is the result of the biggest male mind-fuck ever, and being handily spoon fed to your readily receiving mouth. Yeah! Women should cover themselves up and be ashamed of their form and sexuality. Why not? More virgin wives! Yay!
    It seems to me that the women that you ‘propensify’ spend quite a bit of money on plastic surgery on all kinds of body parts, making their bodies into something that’s not even them. I sure feel sad for these women when the model for beautiful changes to something they are not. I guess just as long as they earn the money from stripping, they can go get that one more plastic surgery to yet again live up to society’s standards.

    You say more virgin wives....yay!!! So would you really like to have married a virgin? Seems on one hand you appreciate the virginity of a woman. Maybe you just don’t want to hold yourself to that standard. That seems to be the problem with the majority of the men throughout the years. They want to hold a standard to women that they aren’t willing to do themselves. Maybe it’s time for men to take some self-control classes? Especially, since you seem to agree that a virgin is actually something positive.



    American: But what many of you don't seem to see is that men are still in control in this country when it comes to sexuality.
    Absolutely. What a man cannot control, he lays into rhetorical bondage. It's been that way for centuries- physically and mentally.
    American: They are the ones controlling each one of you in the strip club. They are definitely controlling women when they convince us (their SO) to go to the strip club with them. It is 'every' man's fantasy to see women on women, to have their women go to the strip club with them. So how do you not see that we as women, who go to the strip club with our men, aren't actually giving up even more of our control and power?
    You're interpretting a woman's unshackling of such bondage (and capitalizing on it!) the way men/old-fashioned values have conditioned you to believe.

    And for the men taking women to stripclubs as a controlling factor- this is a farce since a woman seeing empowerment through sexuality is going to pick this up on her first visit. Men with these kinds of pretenses usually don't return as this plan backfires on them if the woman they are with has any sense or rationality. Instead, the frequenting couples that attend stripclubs are either: a) a woman too far gone to climb out of her shell and will forever be controlled, or b) a healthy acceptance by her mate that she should be empowered and respect/admire her sexuality and recognize the control it can afford her.

    There is also a reason why there are ATM's and credit-card stations at every stripclub. The actualized strippers know the name of the game IS control, but in a reversed setting. Their job is to squeek every last buck from their customer's wallet, AND gain enough control for the patron to make trips to the ATM and credit-card machines, thus spending substantially more than they sought out to. Chris Rock jokes about how ATM transactions at 3am are never a good thing. Emotionally healthy males laugh at this and find it a refreshing trend to see women so empowered.
    I think BW might have asked this question, but it seems that men are okay with sharing their woman with another woman.....but they wouldn’t be up to sharing their woman with another man? Do you see this as being the case in your industry? I realize that perhaps many men in the sex industry don’t mind sharing their women, but at least from the things I have experienced outside of the sex industry, men don’t want to share their women with men....just women. Another woman is not much of a threat to a man. A man who gets his woman to go to a strip club does not respect/admire her (in my opinion). It just a way to get more of his out-of-control, sexual tendencies satisfied.

    Yes, the strippers have quite a bit of control over a man’s money and are learning to be extremely manipulative in earning a buck.....but in the end the stripper loses because she loses in society, loses her integrity and self-worth, and loses in the mind of the men who have watched her as soon as he walks out of the club.



    I think each one of you on here should somehow, with the money you make from stripping, start a chain of restaurants where gorgeous men serve us women in those sexy bikini underwear. I think some of you should gather up your money and start a nationwide chain of male strip joints.....
    Best idea you've set forth this whole thread. But with the strong societal conditioning of how "improper" a woman would be spending $$ on this, you can see how unsucessful such ventures have become. You want to see men in a thong, you're obviously a slut, harlet, tramp or whore.
    As I said previously, this will never happen because men have more sense than to allow this to happen. Men know that it’s not okay to exploit sexuality, and actually are jealous (rightly so) when their women go to strip clubs (at least in the world separate from the sex industry). Like I said, it seems that many male strip clubs won’t even allow men to come in. Men are just very industrious on ways to get women to do what they want them to do.....they call us jealous, insecure, and threaten to find another woman (this has not happened to me, by the way, though I’ve seen it happen). Some women are just clueless as to men’s motives.


    And by women being willing to have sex with women these days and by becoming visually stimulated by women's body and by pulling up our blouses at Mardi Gras.....aren't we only giving men more power and pleasure? Where is our pleasure, girls? In giving them pleasure?!!
    Staunch heterosexual women that are also sexually liberated don't touch other women, but do enjoy the Mardi-Gras and sexual debauchery as you stated. The difference is- they are emotionally healthy enough to do what feels good and enjoyable to them, and not as a conditioned effort to please surrounding men. It rooted from health, not pathos.

    The problem is- everyone applies a wide brush when painting women in all facets. I can totally relate to the perception as there are a great deal of women working stripclubs that are in deep trouble. In the 'city- there are a great number of women in abusive/pimp-style relationships, have past abuse issues from childhood that negate their self-worth leading to harsh rejection of outside help, narcotic-addicted and controlled, and rarely see much of their own income. Their condition is servantile/controlled and often perform sex-services to strange men in seedy clubs, and hand over proceeds to their pimp-boyfriends and drug dealers. Their actions in the clubs is far, far from an empowered standpoint and have unfortunately become a stereotype for the industry. Luckily, this portion is in decline as more and more intelligent, strong-willed and intellectual women enter the arena. There will always be men seeking the former, but the latter are starting to outrank and overpower them, and patrons formerly convinced of the stereotype are finding their way into clubs to be quite surprised. This is why it's important to recognize the women working to achieve this, and grant them dignity they deserve.

    The majority of women who ‘touch’ women and act the way they do at Mardi Gras is to get male attention, the attention from the man they’re with, the attention from the men they flash. This is not sexual liberation. You would think that men would finally start pulling down their pants at Mardi Gras and start showing women what they have, since it’s such an openly-sexual environment. Like I said, the average man would never do this.....as he would never stoop to that level and expose his vulnerabilities in that way.

    One thing I have learned on this thread that I didn’t really think much about before is that women get into this industry for the money, because of greed, they want to take shortcuts in life, they want a free ride in life. These women most definitely thinks it’s something to flaunt that they have paid off their houses, their cars, their college education, their children’s education, bought jet skis, etc., etc., (as one woman wrote to me). They seem to place more value on material things (superficial things) than anything spiritual in nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79692#msg7969 2 date=1078196942
    One thing I have learned on this thread that I didn’t really think much about before is that women get into this industry for the money, because of greed, they want to take shortcuts in life, they want a free ride in life. These women most definitely thinks it’s something to flaunt that they have paid off their houses, their cars, their college education, their children’s education, bought jet skis, etc., etc., (as one woman wrote to me). They seem to place more value on material things (superficial things) than anything spiritual in nature.
    Explain how doing a legal job to earn the money for a secure future is getting a free ride? I work 40-60 hours a week 8 months a year. how many hours a week do you work American ?

    How can you sit there and judge someones spiritual nature on their finacial security level ?

    Have you ever though that a dancer might be spiritual as well as finiacialy secure ?

    Why do you think you have the right to judge peoples souls ?

    Why do you hate so much of the world ?

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    American, to borrow from your religion... FEAR IS FROM THE DEVIL!!! Perfect love casteth out all fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79686#msg7968 6 date=1078196027
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79681#msg7968 1 date=1078195276

    I don't think Jesus was getting drunk with the drunkards
    1 John, Chapter 2

    I believe he was preaching and teaching them, trying to convert them. And his disciples did the same thing.
    Actually, his strongest distaste was reserved for the pompous, holier-than-thou Pharisees. Not that this fact is ironic, or anything.


    In addition to that, he commanded his believers to spread the gospel too.
    Ooooh, really? So all I have to do is be exactly like you and I too can tell people how much better I am and how they are scum for not being exactly like me? Where do I sign up?

    Frankly, if you are an example of what Jesus can do then I shall pass the "opportunity".

    If you have, you can understand that by me being here pointing out sin is something He would want me to do
    First remove the beam from your own eye.

    If you have, you can understand that by me being here pointing out sin is something He would want me to do....

    So everyone's assumption that we are here to convict you of sin is simply not true.

    I'm straight out convicting your immorality and most of you will go straight to hell...
    I don't think even you know why you are here.

    You mentioned Christians treated you like crap? Why? Because they didn't agree with your lifestyle?
    She states that she was a child, so I'd love to know by which scripture a Christian would justify treating a child like crap for their lifestyle. Hey,. I'll settle for which scripture justifies treating anyone like crap, child or no, regardless of their lifestyle.

    And I didn't name anyone specifically who is going to hell. But the scriptures are full of descriptions of people who seem to fit the descriptions of many on here.
    Sure. Pharisees, prideful harlots and the like are mentioned in scripture.

    Jesus did not get drunk. Do you get drunk everytime you drink wine? I don't. Maybe it has more to do with your quantity? I don't think drinking wine is sinful. But getting drunk is.

    And you want to call me a Pharisee? What would you call the Apostle Paul and John the Baptist, along with all of his other disciples? Pharisees? What's wrong with that picture? If you want to get into a scripture debate, maybe that would be good for some on here. I can give you loads of scripture that came directly from the Apostle Paul that is very convicting to the sexual immoral. And I like how you threw that in there...about the prideful harlot. Harlot is a harlot, whether she is prideful or not. And a harlot who is still living as a harlot is still living deliberately with a sin that leads to death in her life.


    And I asked her the question to get more information. I will be the first to admit that the church is in serious trouble today. Hopefully, the Passion of the Christ will turn many Christians back towards the faith, as well as bring unbelievers to Christ. Many Christians are not living according to God's Word, and it seems, at least to me, that Christians are capable of falling away from God. And the Christians you have described may be the fallen ones, who still remain in church for appearance sake. With all the problems in the church today, it's no wonder that children being brought up in the church and people outside of the faith have such a poor view of Christianity. That's still no reason not to study and read the Bible yourself. Personally, I wouldn't want to take that chance, which is one of the reasons I have made some drastic changes in my life over the past year and have actually studied the Bible for the first time in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79696#msg7969 6 date=1078197852
    American, to borrow from your religion... FEAR IS FROM THE DEVIL!!! Perfect love casteth out all fear.

    Lena (devoted follower of the Goddesses Lillith and Freyja)

    Maybe you are projecting your own fear onto what you think I'm feeling. Just because I see the way that some on here are living as sinful, that doesn't make me fearful. Not sure how you can make that deduction.

    But you are right, fear is from Satan.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    /quote/ "Yes, the strippers have quite a bit of control over a man’s money and are learning to be extremely manipulative in earning a buck.....but in the end the stripper loses because she loses in society, loses her integrity and self-worth, and loses in the mind of the men who have watched her as soon as he walks out of the club"'

    HOW WOULD YOU KNOW ANYWAYS???? You have no clue as to whether we lose our integrity or self worth...

    You make a very ballsy statement there… and the one about men not acting out and then to drag in racial issues and the materialistic comment. I know of just the opposite actually, and quite honestly, it seems you know NOTHING about how the real world operates. It is not a male dominating society anymore. You have no respect from me whatsoever. My suggestion: Buy a freaking g-string, and get some heels, see how far you get. I have more self worth and integrity than some of your fellow church goers.. at least I treat others with respect and I can sleep at night. When I look in the mirror, I see a beautiful woman who gets paid (and paid well) for her time, who comes home after a night of work to a loving family. I work freaking hard for my money and its not just for materialistic items! Perhaps you should get a reality check.. however I am finished posting to your nonsense thread.. you are the prime scum of religion that I have despised since I was a child. You know nothing about what you speak of, but only muse in making statements about things you know nothing about claiming to be "holier than thou". You need to be knocked down a peg.






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