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    Just in response to comments, in general, it is very obvious that the women on here really do not like men at all and have no respect for human life, in general (male or female). They feel inferior to men, and they have found a way to receive POWER and CONTROL, through means of a very deceptive and manipulative way. I agree that women have been mistreated for way too long, but using sex and bodies to gain power actually has just the opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve. But again, I realize that may be what some of you are trying to do.....trying to be the powerful one and willing to sell your bodies to accomplish that. You will only gain the "respect" of men who don't respect women to begin with (which of course is not respect at all). Someone said on here that the look in a man's eyes is respect. What kind of men have you been around anyway? You definitely need to get out and see the world and experience a different quality of man. But then I read someone else's comment that men aren't looking at strippers respectfully, rather they know they are in the submissive role when watching a stripper....and that in itself is another reason why women strip. It is a power play. It's the 'I'm tired of being treated as a second class citizen, so let's use men any way we can to dominate and control him' theory. I guess it's definitely working for some of you. But you will never experience the kind of relationship that comes with complete faithfulness...mind, body and soul of a man. That is something you will never experience. You probably don't even think it's possible. Most here have probably been raised in very male-dominated homes.....or raised around men who were very domineering. This is the way to get back at them, I suppose!!?? Again, I guess you think it's working for you. But you have no idea what you're settling for. Do you have any idea what it feels like to look into a man's eyes and not see any other woman but yourself in his eyes? I do. And girls, that is power....the power that is not perverted.....just absolutely awesome.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    I'm curious to know what the married dancers have to say about this....
    I know for a fact that my wife has the kind of relationship that involves"complete faithfulness"
    When we look into each others eyes there is no one else reflected, just ourselves.

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    Oh what CRAP... two trolls at once??? Who woulda thunk it?
    You two, (or the same person) need to get a life. Go preach somewhere else.

    What are you tryingto accomplish coming here??? LOL You hate strippers or what they do? Why not flee as far away as you can?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg77879#msg7787 9 date=1077776268
    Just in response to comments, in general, it is very obvious that the women on here really do not like men at all and have no respect for human life, in general (male or female). They feel inferior to men, and they have found a way to receive POWER and CONTROL, through means of a very deceptive and manipulative way. I agree that women have been mistreated for way too long, but using sex and bodies to gain power actually has just the opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve. But again, I realize that may be what some of you are trying to do.....trying to be the powerful one and willing to sell your bodies to accomplish that. You will only gain the "respect" of men who don't respect women to begin with (which of course is not respect at all). Someone said on here that the look in a man's eyes is respect. What kind of men have you been around anyway? You definitely need to get out and see the world and experience a different quality of man. But then I read someone else's comment that men aren't looking at strippers respectfully, rather they know they are in the submissive role when watching a stripper....and that in itself is another reason why women strip. It is a power play. It's the 'I'm tired of being treated as a second class citizen, so let's use men any way we can to dominate and control him' theory. I guess it's definitely working for some of you. But you will never experience the kind of relationship that comes with complete faithfulness...mind, body and soul of a man. That is something you will never experience. You probably don't even think it's possible. Most here have probably been raised in very male-dominated homes.....or raised around men who were very domineering. This is the way to get back at them, I suppose!!?? Again, I guess you think it's working for you. But you have no idea what you're settling for. Do you have any idea what it feels like to look into a man's eyes and not see any other woman but yourself in his eyes? I do. And girls, that is power....the power that is not perverted.....just absolutely awesome.
    First of all...I am engaged to a man that I have a very honest, trusting, loving, respecting, and passionate relationship with. Who are you to make the assumption that because I work as a stripper that it makes me "incapable" of having a meaningful relationship? Is it because you are the one lacking in that department? Are you down on strippers because your SO took off with one? Because you are just a fat, lazy slob that just cannot get over your jealousy of strippers? You cannot understand why your SO wants to spend time with people who don't treat him like a child? Maybe you grew up in a household where your parents constantly told you that you were nothing and that you would never find true love. I feel sorry for the fact that you are so closed minded and unwilling to accept that some strippers are empowered women and know how to use their power to make money. It may not be in the profession of your choice...but that does not make us any less worthy of respect than you. We work hard for our money...a lot of us have children...and stripping is a way that we can work 2-3 nights per week and walk home with more money than most people do in a month...enabling us to spend the days with the most important people in our lives.

    I have the distinct feeling:

    1. You and BW are one and the same...this is the last time I am going to bother with this post. It is obvious that you are a troll and therefore deserve NO MORE of my time or thought.

    2. Your SO frequents strip clubs and you just cannot get over your insecurities that he may "take off with a stripper". If you are so insecure with your place in your man's life...may I suggest that you get up off your fat, lazy ass...get into shape...buy some nice lingerie...learn how to dance...and then learn how to please your man. This way...he'll be more likely to stay at home with you instead of spending your money on me at my club. Of course...even with all of that, it may be a long shot if you talk down to him (as I am sure that you do) as much as you talk down to a bunch of people you do not know.

    End of discussion.


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    I seriously question the supposed superiority (nay, mental stability) of one who feels the need to visit, register at and then bombard the members of a message board with hate-filled posts. Someone quite clearly has too little validity in their lives coupled with an overabundance of free time. Your posts are top-full of prejudice, naive assumptions and pompous generalizations- in short, light on debateable material yet full of hot air.

    Considering that your purpose is deliberately malicious and continued presence without point, I am reporting you to the Administration. By morning you will likely be naught but another speed bump on the highway that is StripperWeb. One sincerely hopes that you eventually find a point to life beyond that of unleashing spite upon random people, and cannot help but point out that the truly happy would have no such desire.

    In other words, I've had enough of this pose. You are insecure, unhappy, jealous and in need of something to boost your self-esteem. Don't think for a moment that you've fooled us into concluding different.
    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Whoever you are BW/American/whatever, you can read into stripping a whole lot of things, and you certainly won't be the first to do so, but at the end of the day for most of us, it's just our job. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a market for strippers because men like naked women. And they like talking to pretty women in a fantasy environment. And they are willing to pay for it. That's pretty much all there is to it. Our jobs have very little to do with who any of us are as people or any insecurities or personal problems or relationship problems we might have. I'm pretty damn well-adjusted if I do say so myself. But it's really beside the point. You've failed to make the distinction between the fantasy women we "play" in a club, and the real women we are all the time. We don't need to be saved, we're not in need of professional help. We're just regular people with a controversial job.

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    I realize that you girls don't see between your lines....but you are scared to death to lose your man if you don't use your body to keep him. Boy, that would be awful to have a marriage/relationship like that!

    And it's also kind of amusing that you think I am fat, ugly, jealous, etc., etc., etc.......I've seen the pictures of the women on here so far, and not to be cocky or conceited, but just stating the truth, I am more attractive and have a better body than anyone on here. I used to be insecure and need attention from others and get off on "turning on" strangers.....but I've grown up!!

    And you think that that is a good thing that the only way you can make money is to sell your body?! Is that what you want someone to love you for and remember you for when you pass for this earth? Simply a body!? That's sad you have set such low standards for yourself.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    And to reply to this DJ guy, do you really think that your wife only thinks of you when she makes love to you? Trust me, she doesn't....not when she pollutes her mind with images and pictures of other men and women. She has to use images of other people to keep up her attraction to you. And in return....you are doing the same to her. You don't love her and aren't attracted to her when you make love to your wife......your mind wanders and fantasizes about every other woman you have objectified in your mind that day.

    And I say this again because I've been where you are and know more than you think I do. You guys and gals are addicted to the high of sexuality. You have no clue what love is.
    If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg78026#msg7802 6 date=1077810268
    And to reply to this DJ guy, do you really think that your wife only thinks of you when she makes love to you? Trust me, she doesn't....not when she pollutes her mind with images and pictures of other men and women. She has to use images of other people to keep up her attraction to you. And in return....you are doing the same to her. You don't love her and aren't attracted to her when you make love to your wife......your mind wanders and fantasizes about every other woman you have objectified in your mind that day.

    And I say this again because I've been where you are and know more than you think I do. You guys and gals are addicted to the high of sexuality. You have no clue what love is.
    Before I respond to this drivel with the venom it deserves allow me to apologize to everyone who may read this in advance. I'm sorry that my intelligent response has generated nothing but a personal attack from American, I'm sorry that you all were subjected to their p.o.v., most of all I'm sorry that I cannot reach through my computer screen and smack the living crap outta this fool!
    Now to business....
    "And to reply to this DJ guy, do you really think that your wife only thinks of you when she makes love to you? Trust me, she doesn't....not when she pollutes her mind with images and pictures of other men and women. "
    I suppose that in the world you come from you have the ability to read minds?You sit on your throne preaching about this and that and then have the nerve to tell me that you know what my wife is thinking when we make love?2 words...WAKE UP!Just because YOU need to think about someone other than your S.O. when you have sex does not mean everyone does. Images of men and women in risque, or blatantly sexual poses can be found EVERYWHERE from newspaper ads to the nightly news, does this mean we as a society are thinking of other things(persons,places etc) when we make love to our wives,husbands, boyfriends or girlfriends?No!
    "And in return....you are doing the same to her. You don't love her and aren't attracted to her when you make love to your wife......your mind wanders and fantasizes about every other woman you have objectified in your mind that day. "
    Now you done did piss me off! HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THAT BECAUSE I WORK IN THE INDUSTRY I DON'T LOVE MY WIFE!First of all ya fuckin whackjob you haven't got a bloody clue what goes through my blasted head at anytime during my waking hours, do not make assumptions that you know me or can speak for me, or that our situations are even refuckingmotely close.
    As far as objectifying women goes....seeing a dancer performing her J-O-B in no way shape or form turns me on, nor do I see them as an object.They are co-workers, actually since I am paid by the dancers they are bosses,and as bosses/co-workers they get the same amount of respect I give to any woman(be they dancers,my mom,my sister,my daughters,etc...)
    "And I say this again because I've been where you are and know more than you think I do. You guys and gals are addicted to the high of sexuality. You have no clue what love is."
    We have no clue what love is?That is one of the most asinine comments you have made yet.I'm getting the feeling that you are divorced,alone and VERY bitter.Don't despair there is help for you all you need to do is pick up the phone and call your local mental health service office. Then a kind person will help you to get over whatever it is you feel is bothering you.
    When I started this response my intention was to simply tear you a new asshole but as I was typing I realized just how pathetic you really are.You live your life just to put others down.....that makes you the lowest form of human life there is.
    If you were to respond to ANY of these posts without being derogatory or without seeking to further arguements I'm sure you would recieve some small measure of respect, but since I'm sure you are chomping at the bit to jump all over my response to you (I did mention I have daughters)let me leave you with this warning....Do be smart and leave it alone, I can and will bump heads all day long with you because I love a GOOD arguement(notice I said GOOD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg77879#msg7787 9 date=1077776268
    Just in response to comments, in general, it is very obvious that the women on here really do not like men at all and have no respect for human life, in general (male or female). They feel inferior to men, and they have found a way to receive POWER and CONTROL, through means of a very deceptive and manipulative way. [Blah, blah,blah....you get the point.....blah, blah,blah....] Do you have any idea what it feels like to look into a man's eyes and not see any other woman but yourself in his eyes? I do. And girls, that is power....the power that is not perverted.....just absolutely awesome.
    First of all....holy shit! where the hell did all of this crap come from? How the hell did I miss this last night?!

    Second....AMERICAN....be DAMN careful about who you're insulting here!!!!! You don't know a goddamn thing about me so don't you DARE make flaming accusations and absurd generalizations based on a few idiots you may or may NOT know in your own life. I started reading this whole, long, absurd, inane, idiotic, boring, obviously inflamatory post thinking that there would be no WAY anyone would drag me into this thing. But you went way too damn far! I do like men--most of my friends are male--girls can be very catty and competitive. And you can bet for DAMN sure I have more respect for human life *and each and every person's individual RIGHTS* than you will ever know in your sheltered and pathetic life. Guess what?! I have never been in a male dominated relationship....I was the "head" of my household. So that kinda fucks up you're psychotic theory huh? Aww poor baby. I don't want power and control because I feel that I am inferior (hell, I GET power and control because THEY are inferior--lol! hahaha). And I have never used deceit or manipulation in my LIFE. And yeah, I've been with a man who only has eyes for me. So what?! You think that because you are a faithful man you are A) the only one and B) deserve a big fucking pat on the back?! Umm...no...but thanks for asking. You are NOT the only one--there are a lot of faithful men out there. And you don't deserve a damn thing for doing what a good human being is SUPPOSED to do!!! My boyfriend doesn't get kudos for taking out the garbage or walking the dog cuz he's supposed to do that...you're in the same damn boat buddy. Maybe I should let HIM post and give you a piece of HIS mind!

    As for the rest of this crap....don't get me started! BW, be very careful, you're treading on very thin ice. If you thought that this was a website for those stereotypical, gossipy, bitchy, money grubbing, uneducated, stippers you were SORELY mistaken. These are the best of the best and they know more as a group than you could ever fathom. I'd suggest you tuck your tail between your legs and respectfully back out of this forum.
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    AMEN SISTER!!!!!!

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    Default Re:Feminist [email protected][email protected][email protected] Part 1

    This thread has been reported, but I'm not removing or locking it yet.

    GF and I have been following it daily. I actually thought BW and American would respond to the intelligent replies and ideas that were counter to theirs. That would have actually made for a good debate and maybe in the end something could have been learned.

    So far American has only used immature ideas about the sex-industry and stereo-types of sex-workers to blanket the members here (that is insulting fyi). A tip American, you need to read the posts before you respond and address the points made.

    I also wonder what you think of me. I am an infrequent club go-er - once a year...hell...about two years now...actually...ah, let's leave it at two years. My girlfriend (now fiancee - married in a few months) have gone with friends and as a couple for fun to stripclubs. Because we have a good time and enjoy ourselves, does that mean I don't love her? She doesn't love me? We have been together for 9 years now. When I close my eyes and try to fantasize, I can only see her. Every day that goes by I litterally love her more. We have a great sex life and all aspects of our relationship are full of passion (not just the sex). But according to you because I have been a consumer of the sex industry - that is impossible. ??? I believe you when you say you are speaking from your experience, but you may want to remember that that was YOUR experience. People are different.

    To BW, I'm hoping you'll respond to more than just little comments and address the nice strong arguments made by the dancers.

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    And for the record, they are not the same poster...but it's obvious they know each other outside of the boards - same organization perhaps...
    We all imagine ourselves the agents of our destiny, capable of determining our own fate. But have we truly any choice in when we rise, or when we fall, or does a force larger than ourselves bid us our direction. Is it evolution that takes us by the hand, does Science point our way, or is it God who intervenes keeping us safe.

    So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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    Boy, DJ, do you have anger management problems? That is also a sign of major problems.
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    Default Re:Feminist [email protected][email protected][email protected] Part 1

    It was very clear from the beginning that neither one of these posters
    B.W nor America wanted to discuss topics or have a civil debate.

    IMO they came here for the sole purpose of bashing and belittling dancers and industry. I have made a few intelligent comments and reacted to the put downs with put downs of my own.
    Having said that, I don't think this thread will teach me anything but, that there are still people in this world with nothing better to do than ATTACK others.

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    It's interesting that you don't think my views hold water.....well, like I said, I've been close to being in your world....and now I'm in a different world. Seems to me that I can relate to your world and mine. But you can't relate to both, because you've never been where I am. Get away from the filth and immorality and see how life and relationships change.
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    So anyone who disagrees with you people and want to help you see a different view of the world is bashing, belitting, trolling, uncaring, etc., etc. etc.? I realize you don't want our help, but that's the way some people are.......they actually love and care about other people. We are just on a different level than you people. We are trying to help people be 'better' people, people who really do respect human life. I realize that we are basing 'better' on what we believe to be 'better', but it seems to me that if we give in to your world....we're lowering our standards for ourselves as human beings. I would never want to come to the conclusion that perverted sex and love of money are what is important in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg78096#msg7809 6 date=1077820254
    It's interesting that you don't think my views hold water.....well, like I said, I've been close to being in your world....and now I'm in a different world. Seems to me that I can relate to your world and mine. But you can't relate to both, because you've never been where I am. Get away from the filth and immorality and see how life and relationships change.
    Your recent statements just further prove my point.
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    I will be posting replies once I get a chance. I enjoyed reading your post...thanks so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pryce link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg78084#msg7808 4 date=1077819266
    This thread has been reported, but I'm not removing or locking it yet.

    GF and I have been following it daily. I actually thought BW and American would respond to the intelligent replies and ideas that were counter to theirs. That would have actually made for a good debate and maybe in the end something could have been learned.

    So far American has only used immature ideas about the sex-industry and stereo-types of sex-workers to blanket the members here (that is insulting fyi). A tip American, you need to read the posts before you respond and address the points made.

    I also wonder what you think of me. I am an infrequent club go-er - once a year...hell...about two years now...actually...ah, let's leave it at two years. My girlfriend (now fiancee - married in a few months) have gone with friends and as a couple for fun to stripclubs. Because we have a good time and enjoy ourselves, does that mean I don't love her? She doesn't love me? We have been together for 9 years now. When I close my eyes and try to fantasize, I can only see her. Every day that goes by I litterally love her more. We have a great sex life and all aspects of our relationship are full of passion (not just the sex). But according to you because I have been a consumer of the sex industry - that is impossible. ??? I believe you when you say you are speaking from your experience, but you may want to remember that that was YOUR experience. People are different.

    To BW, I'm hoping you'll respond to more than just little comments and address the nice strong arguments made by the dancers.

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    And for the record, they are not the same poster...but it's obvious they know each other outside of the boards - same organization perhaps...

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    And to the administrator, you asked my opinion about your marital situation. Participating in any form of pornography, no matter how often it is, is choosing something that is not love for your wife. You may love your wife, and express it in many other ways.....but when you both choose to participate in objectifying a human being, that is not an act of love (rather the opposite). There are acts of everyday life that do not express love, faithfulness, loyalty, etc.....we all do that in some form or another. But to not realize that your participation in this stuff (and actually promoting it) is against what love is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg78099#msg7809 9 date=1077820581
    So anyone who disagrees with you people and want to help you see a different view of the world is bashing, belitting, trolling, uncaring, etc., etc. etc.? I realize you don't want our help, but that's the way some people are.......they actually love and care about other people. We are just on a different level than you people. We are trying to help people be 'better' people, people who really do respect human life. I realize that we are basing 'better' on what we believe to be 'better', but it seems to me that if we give in to your world....we're lowering our standards for ourselves as human beings. I would never want to come to the conclusion that perverted sex and love of money are what is important in life.
    You don't have a clue about any of us and what we do in our daily lives outside of dancing.
    Its funny that you started bashing us after you couldn't hold an intelligent debate. Your behavior is childish for the most part.
    Come back when you can hold an intelligent conversation void of all the name calling and insults.

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    So... what do you do for a living, American? Secretary? In the end, do you really think your typing and filing skills are all you're worth? Don't you know that it's wrong and bad and immoral to spend all your days doing menial work for a little paycheck? Maybe you don't know yet how degraded you really feel. I know, I've experienced it, and let me tell you, filing is just filthy and immoral. You would be shocked how much your life would change if you would get away from that crap.

    And I'm only telling you these things because I love you, dahling.

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    Everyone can trust me when I say that American is a fundementalist Baptist. S/he isn't here to debate, s/he is here to proselytize. To them, you are not even human unless you are another fundementalist Baptist, therefore they have no reservations about behaving in a cruel, socially inept or hateful manner.

    This thread will never have anything of value to offer. They will not offer debate, only insults, because they have nothing to debate. And trust me, they are getting their jollies off every time we react. If there was ever a time to ignore (or ban), it is now.

    Do. Not. Respond.
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    Yea, she doesn't have a whole lot to say except that we're wrong and she's right. Who's smarter? There have been some great replies on here which you can't debate because you don't have the information or ability, BW and A. By the way, you might want to check your home storage building. You may be surprised what you find there... Men are going to look at women, no matter what. Women are going to look at men, no matter what. It doesn't mean there is any less love there. I find it pleasurable to look at beautiful forms. Bodies are natural and beautiful. Why not enjoy it? If you would open your mind and allow yourself to see what others see for one moment, you might realize that it is not so dirty after all. It sounds like you are so uptight because you're trying to live by rules that others have imposed upon you. Allow yourself to be natural, don't fight feelings. Close-mindedness is miserable, it causes hatred and division. Trying to close down your feelings of sexuality only leads to anxiousness and anger. That is what I'm seeing here. I've got an idea for you. Go out and buy a Playboy and a Playgirl magazine. Buy some sex toys. Buy some sexy lingerie and seduce your husband tonight. You might find that you actually have fun for once. If God didn't want us to be sexual creatures, he wouldn't have made us this way. Go with the feelings.

    And here. You need these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg78105#msg7810 5 date=1077821225
    And to the administrator, you asked my opinion about your marital situation. Participating in any form of pornography, no matter how often it is, is choosing something that is not love for your wife. You may love your wife, and express it in many other ways.....but when you both choose to participate in objectifying a human being, that is not an act of love (rather the opposite). There are acts of everyday life that do not express love, faithfulness, loyalty, etc.....we all do that in some form or another. But to not realize that your participation in this stuff (and actually promoting it) is against what love is.
    You mean it is against what YOU feel love is. I feel that YOU are the one struggling to learn how to truly love. If you truly love people, you will not judge them based on color, religion, profession or opinions. Yet, you are the one who has come here and bashed us for being dancers. You tell us that we do not know what true satisfying, faithful love is...and you have no clue as to who we are or anything else that matters. I love my fiance. I love my daughter. In fact, I love my daughter so much that I quit my 9-5 job making 40 a year so that I could stay home and raise her myself. When I go to work, my fiance stays with her. My daughter is always with the people who love and care for her. I love all of the women on this board...granted, we may not see eye to eye on everything, but they are still wonderful people. I will not judge them for who they are or what they do. Life is about experience. We are all here to experience. I enjoy experiencing my sensuality in a club environment. That does not make me incapable of loving outside of the club environment. It does not make me any less of a human being. It does not make me an "abuser" by accepting money for doing so. Everyone is equal in the game. If you choose not to experience this aspect in your life in this way...then that is your choice. As soon as we are done experiencing certain things in our lives, then we will make concious choices and move on. We don't need anyone to hold the bible over our heads and ride our backs screaming of the damnation on our lives and the "I am holier than thou" attitude.

    The only thing that you have proven in this thread is that you are against stripping. That is fine. In fact, that is better than fine, because if you feel that your quality of life is better because of it, then you are in a very good place. HOWEVER, that does not mean that everyone feels the same way you do. It does not mean that someone feels that the quality of their lives are diminished by being a stripper...in fact, I feel that stripping has given me a lot more than any other job could give me...just the opportunity to spend all day with my daughter every day. It is worth more than any amount of money in the world. I am a respectable woman because I make the choices that give me the most out of what I want in my life. I am respectable because I am working to help pay bills and give my daughter time with her mommy everyday. I am not sucking the government dry by sponging off welfare...even though my tax dollars have paid for that. I am respectable because I realize the power of sensuality and sexuality. I am respectable because I choose to be in a relationship that gives me the freedom to make choices about what I want to experience...and supports me through those experiences...and would be there for me no matter what. He doesn't stay because I have a great body or because I am beautiful...he stays because he sees me for Who I Am...a loving, caring, kind, forgiving, trustworthy, non-judgmental, accepting, powerful, joyful, intelligent, and free-spirited soul. That's why he stays...and those are the same reasons I love him and choose to spend my life with him.

    My last post was posted out of anger. And I apologize for the rude things that were said...however, you have shown so little respect for the CHOICES that every single woman in the world has decided to make and experience. You are trying to degrade that experience. There is so much more to life than judging others...maybe it is time for you to sit back and just let this all go. You have made your choices...the most loving thing that you could do for yourself and everyone else is to let them make their choices and experience what consequences those choices bring.

    Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg77879#msg7787 9 date=1077776268
    Just in response to comments, in general, it is very obvious that the women on here really do not like men at all and have no respect for human life, in general (male or female). They feel inferior to men, and they have found a way to receive POWER and CONTROL, through means of a very deceptive and manipulative way. I agree that women have been mistreated for way too long, but using sex and bodies to gain power actually has just the opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve. But again, I realize that may be what some of you are trying to do.....trying to be the powerful one and willing to sell your bodies to accomplish that. You will only gain the "respect" of men who don't respect women to begin with (which of course is not respect at all). Someone said on here that the look in a man's eyes is respect. What kind of men have you been around anyway? You definitely need to get out and see the world and experience a different quality of man. But then I read someone else's comment that men aren't looking at strippers respectfully, rather they know they are in the submissive role when watching a stripper....and that in itself is another reason why women strip. It is a power play. It's the 'I'm tired of being treated as a second class citizen, so let's use men any way we can to dominate and control him' theory. I guess it's definitely working for some of you. But you will never experience the kind of relationship that comes with complete faithfulness...mind, body and soul of a man. That is something you will never experience. You probably don't even think it's possible. Most here have probably been raised in very male-dominated homes.....or raised around men who were very domineering. This is the way to get back at them, I suppose!!?? Again, I guess you think it's working for you. But you have no idea what you're settling for. Do you have any idea what it feels like to look into a man's eyes and not see any other woman but yourself in his eyes? I do. And girls, that is power....the power that is not perverted.....just absolutely awesome.
    wow, you dont even know us yet you assume so much. facinating.

    but as I am bored I will humor you:

    I like males, most of my friends are male. Most of my male friends don't like strip clubs. The reason being that they want a real person and not just the fantasy. They want to talk and share and they don't get off on strange women getting naked in front of them. We talk about many things, philosipy, physics, poetry... It is very fun.

    We also do not sell our bodies, we sell our time. Just like any fast food worker. We get paid a rate to do something. They get paid to flip burgers, we get paid to take off our clothes, we just get paid better.

    I said before I do not care if customers respect me, they are just customers, not my friends, I care about them or what they think of me as much as the person who hands you your Mceggwich in the morning does about you.

    Never experience compleate faithfullness? you need to meet my husband. He is the most wonderful person. He is so careing and understanding. We talk about everything. He is my best friend. We have loved each other for 7 years and have been through a lot together and on our own. We know we belong together. And before you go off thinking this is just some delision, He has told me much of this himself. We finish eachothers sentances, we think the same way, it is truely a wonderfull experince. We have talked about the definition of cheating. We both agree on what is and what isnt. I know I only think of him when we make love. When I masterbate; I think of nothing, or I think of him.

    Male dominated homes, dominering men? Nope, wrong again. I was raised in a matriach. My mother was the head of the household. Everything went through her. She mowed the lawn, chopped firewood, and all the other "mens" work. My father did the dishes and the laundrey and cooked us dinner. My father is a very gentle understanding person.

    See only myself. Yes, everytime he has a concern, wheather it be the cats vet appointment, or my visit to my sisters. Everytime he just wants to curl up on the couch and cuddle. Everytime I clear the dishes after we eat the dinner he has made. When he says "I love you" on his way out the door to work. I don't belive it is power, as I did not force him to love me. But I will agree it is awesome.


    oh, and BTW, Love and Sex are not the same. You seem to be mixing them a lot.

    There you go Blade, a response from a married stripper.

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