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    For example, why is it necessary to learn self-control when it comes to anger but not in the arena of sex?
    I disagree, we are forced to have quite a bit of self-control over our sexual desires. Otherwise, all women would always be pregnant and STD's would be even more rampant than they are now. There would not be laws against rape/molestation. We also have religion and social pressure to "outcast" people who do not conform. Individuals who sexually exploit children are often violently lynched......

    People have different natural levels of sexual energy as well. One person will want kinky sex with many people often, while another will want occasional traditional sex with one partner. The beauty of our western culture is its accomodation of our diverse needs....Yes, sometimes it can be too accomodating with some of the stuff on the web and in porn, but that brings up a freedom of expression issue which forays into another topic....

    My sexual desires do not control me anymore
    As I've already mentioned, this is unnatural. Our sexual desires are a very strong instinct for a reason...that big obvious one.

    And I really think each of one us, male and female, would really like to experience a relationship with a person who actually is self-controlled in every thing they do.
    Self-control can apply to many things, including the ability to give love. Personally, sometimes it take a loss of control to really go the distance and innovate, create, and really get into the mind's potential. Otherwise, I think cultural and technological progress would suffer. Self-control keeps the world spinning (well gravitational force does, but anywhoo), but going balls out crazy and changing the future, for good or bad, is what makes us human.... :

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78986#msg7898 6 date=1078015782

    For starters, I can't imagine women really wanting to be like the 'typical' male. And that's what you call progression?
    You seem to be the one who hates men, which is what you are accusing us of. Who in the hell said that women want to be like the typical male? We just want to live with equal freedom.

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    I wonder if you women (and men) can agree that with sexual aggression comes other forms of aggression?

    If the "feminist" woman continues in her search for aggression, she will most definitely begin to take on male character traits. And there will be more and more women cheating on their spouses, exploding with anger, abusing the people in their lives, becoming addicted to drugs to hide shame, more serial killers........and there will be more women in prison due to aggressive behavior that men are so well known for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78962#msg7896 2 date=1078012692

    You've given some really good advice here. No one can make a person feel or do anything, I agree. I do make the choice to conclude that when certain men look at me, he's looking at me like I am a piece of meat! But he makes it pretty obvious, to be honest with you! :o :o :o
    You know...there are guys that are just bad poker players (they see a nice woman, and the salivary glands kick into overdrive, eyes bug out and they couldn't utter an understandable mono-syllabic word if they tried). He's looking at you like you are a piece of meat? Or is he telling you (non-verbally perhaps) that he finds you extremely pleasing to the eye? I used to get all bent out of shape when some guy looked at me like that (what a pervert!!) but now, I just let him be. I am flattered that he finds me attractive. It doesn't matter HOW he views you...the only thing that you can control is how you respond to that situation. Everything else is just drama...

    BTW...I am not that young...29...so young enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78990#msg7899 0 date=1078016069
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    For starters, I can't imagine women really wanting to be like the 'typical' male. And that's what you call progression?
    You seem to be the one who hates men, which is what you are accusing us of. Who in the hell said that women want to be like the typical male? We just want to live with equal freedom.

    And yes, to some extent, your comment is true. I am a hater of 'typical' male behavior. It seems that women in your mindset are winning the fight....because it would probably be a safe guess to say that at least 80% of all men in this country fit into the 'typical' male category. I would say at least 80% (probably much more) of all men participate in the various forms of pornography and sexual exploitation in this country. So you are definitely winning the fight. However, men complain to me that women are becoming more deceitful, manipulative, players, liars, etc., etc......I see it that men are starting to see a mirror image of themselves.

    I just think we women can and should take a different approach. But I realize that's not a popular opinion on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78993#msg7899 3 date=1078016335
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    You've given some really good advice here. No one can make a person feel or do anything, I agree. I do make the choice to conclude that when certain men look at me, he's looking at me like I am a piece of meat! But he makes it pretty obvious, to be honest with you! :o :o :o
    You know...there are guys that are just bad poker players (they see a nice woman, and the salivary glands kick into overdrive, eyes bug out and they couldn't utter an understandable mono-syllabic word if they tried). He's looking at you like you are a piece of meat? Or is he telling you (non-verbally perhaps) that he finds you extremely pleasing to the eye? I used to get all bent out of shape when some guy looked at me like that (what a pervert!!) but now, I just let him be. I am flattered that he finds me attractive. It doesn't matter HOW he views you...the only thing that you can control is how you respond to that situation. Everything else is just drama...

    BTW...I am not that young...29...so young enough...

    Yes, he may be saying non-verbally that I am 'well-pleasing' to the eye....but you know what? Odds are he's in a committed relationship or marriage, so I would like to tell him to go home and give that attention to the woman he supposedly loves and is attracted to!!

    And I'm also talking about the man who waits for the opportunity to check me out as soon as his wife or girlfriend turns around. I just see this as very disrespectful to his woman. I just think the woman who is loving him, taking care of him when he gets sick, gives birth to his children, and is his life partner deserves that look....and not me.
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    I strongly believe that there is nothing wrong with a stripper that also considers herself a feminist. A stripping career does not make any woman any less of a feminist, or any less moral. While it may be difficult for many to understand, I consider myself a feminist and strongly believe in the power of women, and I do not feel that my job makes my opinions or ideals any less credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78987#msg7898 7 date=1078015814
    For example, why is it necessary to learn self-control when it comes to anger but not in the arena of sex?
    I disagree, we are forced to have quite a bit of self-control over our sexual desires. Otherwise, all women would always be pregnant and STD's would be even more rampant than they are now. There would not be laws against rape/molestation. We also have religion and social pressure to "outcast" people who do not conform. Individuals who sexually exploit children are often violently lynched......

    People have different natural levels of sexual energy as well. One person will want kinky sex with many people often, while another will want occasional traditional sex with one partner. The beauty of our western culture is its accomodation of our diverse needs....Yes, sometimes it can be too accomodating with some of the stuff on the web and in porn, but that brings up a freedom of expression issue which forays into another topic....

    My sexual desires do not control me anymore
    As I've already mentioned, this is unnatural. Our sexual desires are a very strong instinct for a reason...that big obvious one.

    And I really think each of one us, male and female, would really like to experience a relationship with a person who actually is self-controlled in every thing they do.
    Self-control can apply to many things, including the ability to give love. Personally, sometimes it take a loss of control to really go the distance and innovate, create, and really get into the mind's potential. Otherwise, I think cultural and technological progress would suffer. Self-control keeps the world spinning (well gravitational force does, but anywhoo), but going balls out crazy and changing the future, for good or bad, is what makes us human.... :

    Sexually-transmitted diseases are most definitely on the rise, though. And pregnacy rates are up, but most of the women who have with the stripper mindset also believe in abortion. Also, since humans have discovered 'the pill,' we have used that as an excuse to become more promiscuous. That is not the way 'sex' was intended. The pill and abortion, I don't think, were in the original plan of life.

    So you just limit sexual self-control to rape and incest?
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    [Sexually-transmitted diseases are most definitely on the rise, though. And pregnacy rates are up, but most of the women who have with the stripper mindset also believe in abortion. Also, since humans have discovered 'the pill,' we have used that as an excuse to become more promiscuous. That is not the way 'sex' was intended. The pill and abortion, I don't think, were in the original plan of life.

    So you just limit sexual self-control to rape and incest
    No, just examples.

    Sex and violence are nothing new. The nature of humanity is neither good nor evil, just contingent upon our values and the immediacy of situation.

    I just saw of photo of a Taliban soldier after his head was blown off with a large weapon. The shooter was my marine friend, and was so proud of that photo, beaming as he showed me and watched me freak....the dead soldier was an object to be looked at, no longer human, and obviously gave some US Marines a very perverse thrill...........was not sexual at all.......

    I don't think that 20% of men are ideal as per your description...I think maybe 2% of men at most are what you look for...the rest of us just fall somewhere around trudging through our miserable lives having some hope that the people we encounter around us care a little bit........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79012#msg7901 2 date=1078020991
    [Sexually-transmitted diseases are most definitely on the rise, though. And pregnacy rates are up, but most of the women who have with the stripper mindset also believe in abortion. Also, since humans have discovered 'the pill,' we have used that as an excuse to become more promiscuous. That is not the way 'sex' was intended. The pill and abortion, I don't think, were in the original plan of life.

    So you just limit sexual self-control to rape and incest
    No, just examples.

    Sex and violence are nothing new. The nature of humanity is neither good nor evil, just contingent upon our values and the immediacy of situation.

    I just saw of photo of a Taliban soldier after his head was blown off with a large weapon. The shooter was my marine friend, and was so proud of that photo, beaming as he showed me and watched me freak....the dead soldier was an object to be looked at, no longer human, and obviously gave some US Marines a very perverse thrill...........was not sexual at all.......

    I don't think that 20% of men are ideal as per your description...I think maybe 2% of men at most are what you look for...the rest of us just fall somewhere around trudging through our miserable lives having some hope that the people we encounter around us care a little bit........

    I'm wondering if this last paragraph is a real or sarcastic comment? I was going to tighten the percentage, but I figured I would really piss the men off on this site so I stayed conservative!

    Someone accused me of stating that strippers are evil. And before now, I haven't used that word, but I'm going to use it now only because you've mentioned it.

    I believe the nature of human is basically good and not evil, to be honest with you. It's just that so many people these days are choosing the 'evil.' All the things we experience in our early years form whether we have a good or evil view of the world. And unfortunately, many are being raised with parents who know virtually little about agape and unconditional love, unselfishness, responsibility, service to our families and friends, forgiveness, patience (I could go on and on and on). No wonder most people don't think anyone cares.
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    Ok i just jumped back into this thread, and all i want to know is can anyone explain to me what the hell American wants ? What is American's point ? And what is going on, men hater, lover...What?

    Pamela ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

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    Well Pamela my guess from reading her drama is that she's here preaching to us to "respect ourselves" more.


    Its the whole you're exploiting wome argument.

    She is here distinctly seeking conflict.
    We are being trolled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78692#msg7869 2 date=1077931716
    For starters, I am personally sick and tired of walking down the street, going to Wal-Mart, while most every man who sees me turns around and checks out my ass or breasts (and I'm not dressed provactively at all!) or turns to see what pretty woman is in the car when I drive by. I'm tired of being treated by men in this way. In days past, I did enjoy this attention, but since then (now that I actually am secure with myself), I don't get a 'thrill' from this type of behavior, or this type of man. It seems that you girls still are attracted to this type of man. All power to you. I guess to each his own.
    I dress in baggy clothes when I go out to avoid this too. I need down time where I am not the center of attention. I could never be a famous celebrity, the paparisi would drive me nuts.

    As for women having sex with women, well I like women, I think we are waaaay sexier then men. I consiter myself bi although i lean more twards likeing women. (my husbands hot as #@!% though)

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    There are trolls like this on about very board you will ever come across. that is human nature..sigh regardless, no one can judge but God himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78960#msg7896 0 date=1078012454
    Blade, it seems you have misunderstood many things. I am not 'bashing' anyone. I am simply stating my opinions about people who are caught up in the world of the sex industry.

    I would be interested in knowing how you people (girls and guys) would define sexual addiction. Is there such a thing? And what would it look like? What character traits would a sex addict have?

    And Blade, if you go back and read my insert from the book.....it's not talking about prostitution in the sense of having sex with someone. Maybe you didn't read the entire post. Or maybe your mind could only concentrate on the word 'prostitute,' and your mind couldn't consider it to mean anything else but physical sex.

    AND I AM NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ON HERE!! Period. I think my current choices are better, yes, but that in no way, shape, or form makes me better than anyone of you.
    First of all let's look at the definition of bashing,the Merriam Webster dictionary defines bashing as"1 : to strike violently : HIT; also : to injure or damage by striking : SMASH — often used with in
    2 : to attack physically or verbally <media bashing> <celebrity bashing>
    I think we have determined that is EXACTLY what you are doing.Secondly let&#039;s look at the definition of prostitute(again from the Merriam Webster dictionary)[b]"[3]prostitute
    Function: noun
    Date: 1613
    1 a : a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse especially for money : WHORE b : a male who engages in sexual and especially homosexual practices for money
    2 : a person (as a writer or painter) who deliberately debases his or her talents (as for money)
    Function: adjective
    Date: 1563
    : devoted to corrupt purposes :
    Function: transitive verb
    Inflected Form(s): -tut·ed; -tut·ing
    Etymology: Latin prostitutus, past participle of prostituere, from pro- before + statuere to station —more at PRO-, STATUTE
    Date: 1530
    1 : to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
    2 : to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : DEBASE <prostitute one&#039;s talents>
    - pros·ti·tu·tor /-"tü-t&r, -"tyü-/ noun
    The definition of stripper is also found in the Meriam Webster dictionary and it is"Function: noun
    Date: 1581
    1 : one that strips
    2 : STRIPTEASER
    3 : a machine that separates a desired part of an agricultural crop
    4 : an oil well that produces 10 barrels or less per day "

    Now,where is this going I&#039;m sure most of you(including myself) are wondering....
    Simple, Throught the last 2 threads strippers have often been confused with, or reffered to as, prostitutes and my goal was to point out the definition of both so there is no question about what each entity is or does for money.
    As far as the excerpt from the book I see that I am not the only one to wonder what the hell the point was...Even though I am a man and have a simple mind, I do believe I know the difference between a stripper(dancer) and a prostitute(hooker). I also believe I have not misunderstood a thing, there has not been one bloody post by american that has not belittled someone somehow.As far as americans opinions go..opinions are like assholes,everyone has one.The difference being I sure as hell don&#039;t go around trying to push my opinions on people who don&#039;t want to hear them.
    As far as I can tell from reading these endless posts american hates dancers, men who go to stripclubs, women who have sex with women or bare their breasts in public,hates women who go to stripclubs,men who work in stripclubs,men who stare at her,men who look at her as she drives by and let us not forget the straight women who look at her to find flaws in her to feel better about themselves.Have I covered everything?
    Crawl back in your cave, take your outdated and outlandish ideals and holier than thou morals with you. This is the year 2004 and women have more power than you seem to give your kind credit for(hell I have a woman proofreading this before I post it to make sure I don&#039;t make myself look like too much of an asshole)Your mentality may have been correct in the dark ages but to quote some famous broad(virginia slim I think her name is) You&#039;ve come a long way baby!Yes I have tried to use humour in this reply simply because I am sick of the crap spewing forth from the fingers of some people.

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    Alas, she would prefer to live like the Muslim women. Go for it, but don&#039;t think any of us are going to join you. We&#039;re too smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78992#msg7899 2 date=1078016192
    I wonder if you women (and men) can agree that with sexual aggression comes other forms of aggression?

    If the "feminist" woman continues in her search for aggression, she will most definitely begin to take on male character traits. And there will be more and more women cheating on their spouses, exploding with anger, abusing the people in their lives, becoming addicted to drugs to hide shame, more serial killers........and there will be more women in prison due to aggressive behavior that men are so well known for.
    This behavior is not "typical" male behavior. Not just Feminists "take on" this behavior. People who behave in this fashion have taken to blaming their lot in life on other people, instead of taking the responsibility for themselves. People who behave this way are doing what you are doing...telling themselves that OTHER people are the cause of their anger, hate, lust, shame, etc. After enough years of not dealing with the truth and having all of this build up...well, that energy needs to go somewhere and the behavior described is the typical end result. You seem to think that throughout history, there have been nothing but kind-hearted, gentle, loving, accepting women who have just suffered through the most unbearable of human conditions caused by men. This is simply not true...stop being such a victim and take your power back!

    Yes, he may be saying non-verbally that I am &#039;well-pleasing&#039; to the eye....but you know what? Odds are he&#039;s in a committed relationship or marriage, so I would like to tell him to go home and give that attention to the woman he supposedly loves and is attracted to!!

    And I&#039;m also talking about the man who waits for the opportunity to check me out as soon as his wife or girlfriend turns around. I just see this as very disrespectful to his woman. I just think the woman who is loving him, taking care of him when he gets sick, gives birth to his children, and is his life partner deserves that look....and not me.
    Ok...so let me get this straight...you think that because someone is involved in a relationship, then they should no longer look at ANYONE else, if even to say, "Wow...she&#039;s a real hottie!"?? You think that once someone finds "the person they love" that means that they go blind except for the "one true love" in their life? How do you even function in a relationship? I find it very hard to believe that you can even find a man that will not even look at another woman when he is in a relationship with you. My SO and I are very committed to each other...and we let each other look at other people. There is nothing wrong with appreciating beauty. There is nothing wrong with seeing someone you find attractive. How do you go to the movies? Don&#039;t you think that your bf/husband would be oggling over the movie star? That is not to say that he&#039;s drooling and running to the bathroom and jacking off...but, why is it so wrong to look at another person in a non-sexual way and appreciate their beauty?

    And, again, for the last time...say this with me now..."I can NOT control anyone else&#039;s decisions, actions, speech, feelings, or thoughts. I can only control my own. I choose to let others do as they please. Nothing anyone does can affect me if I choose to not be affected. I am now removing my DRAMA QUEEN crown and burning it. From this day forward, I will no longer spend my days getting angry about things that I have no control over. My days of drama are gone, and I will be happy working on my own self and finding why I feel and react the way that I keep choosing to. And so it is."

    The person who waits for his gf/wife to not be looking to check out someone that he finds attractive is a very typical trait...of a man who is with a woman who is very controlling and very insecure and believes that he is cheating on her by appreciating someone else&#039;s beauty. Are you sure that your name is not HELEN EKSTEROWICZ?

    This topic has become more and more like a broken record and I no longer wish to participate. I feel sorry that you are choosing to keep doing the same old thing with the same old results. I hope that you find what really makes you happy and go with that. From this point on, I will not be looking at this thread. Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79075#msg7907 5 date=1078042593
    Alas, she would prefer to live like the Muslim women. Go for it, but don&#039;t think any of us are going to join you. We&#039;re too smart.

    What women with mindsets similar to yours have done is only made it even more difficult to get a job in the &#039;normal&#039; world comparable to that of a man, with equal pay. Women with your mindset are teaching men even further that we are just sex, sluts, and here for a man&#039;s pleasure. Women can make more money, yes, than the &#039;average&#039; man by stripping or whoring herself. But take that same woman and put her in to the world of business and she will be treated only like a body by the majority of men she works with. Men don&#039;t take women seriously when we don&#039;t mind using our bodies to give them pleasure without any emotional commitment.
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    Now i can speak up! I work for a major hospital, and yes, i do make more money than many co-workers in different depts. As i have no men in my dept. I am in the corporate world too! Not just private dancing anymore. Have been at this hospital for years! I DO make more money the alot of men! And they treat me with respect, as do i treat them with respect!

    My job at the hospital puts me in a whole different lifestyle change. I can&#039;t dress sexy, and i can&#039;t hustle. I need to use my brain, and i DEMAND respect from anyone who needs my services. I would expect to give the same respect to a woman or man at work.

    It&#039;s just plain old good manners. I could give a rats ass who makes more money than me. I still get my pay for my services. Again....i make more money then many MEN at work. Big deal. :o

    Who cares? really. If a woman does not take charge of her life, then she will get what is thrown at her, as will a man. Take charge! Love men and women! Love life. It takes both to make up the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79121#msg7912 1 date=1078069116
    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg78992#msg7899 2 date=1078016192
    I wonder if you women (and men) can agree that with sexual aggression comes other forms of aggression?

    If the "feminist" woman continues in her search for aggression, she will most definitely begin to take on male character traits. And there will be more and more women cheating on their spouses, exploding with anger, abusing the people in their lives, becoming addicted to drugs to hide shame, more serial killers........and there will be more women in prison due to aggressive behavior that men are so well known for.
    This behavior is not "typical" male behavior. Not just Feminists "take on" this behavior. People who behave in this fashion have taken to blaming their lot in life on other people, instead of taking the responsibility for themselves. People who behave this way are doing what you are doing...telling themselves that OTHER people are the cause of their anger, hate, lust, shame, etc. After enough years of not dealing with the truth and having all of this build up...well, that energy needs to go somewhere and the behavior described is the typical end result. You seem to think that throughout history, there have been nothing but kind-hearted, gentle, loving, accepting women who have just suffered through the most unbearable of human conditions caused by men. This is simply not true...stop being such a victim and take your power back!

    Yes, he may be saying non-verbally that I am &#039;well-pleasing&#039; to the eye....but you know what? Odds are he&#039;s in a committed relationship or marriage, so I would like to tell him to go home and give that attention to the woman he supposedly loves and is attracted to!!

    And I&#039;m also talking about the man who waits for the opportunity to check me out as soon as his wife or girlfriend turns around. I just see this as very disrespectful to his woman. I just think the woman who is loving him, taking care of him when he gets sick, gives birth to his children, and is his life partner deserves that look....and not me.
    Ok...so let me get this straight...you think that because someone is involved in a relationship, then they should no longer look at ANYONE else, if even to say, "Wow...she&#039;s a real hottie!"?? You think that once someone finds "the person they love" that means that they go blind except for the "one true love" in their life? How do you even function in a relationship? I find it very hard to believe that you can even find a man that will not even look at another woman when he is in a relationship with you. My SO and I are very committed to each other...and we let each other look at other people. There is nothing wrong with appreciating beauty. There is nothing wrong with seeing someone you find attractive. How do you go to the movies? Don&#039;t you think that your bf/husband would be oggling over the movie star? That is not to say that he&#039;s drooling and running to the bathroom and jacking off...but, why is it so wrong to look at another person in a non-sexual way and appreciate their beauty?
    And, again, for the last time...say this with me now..."I can NOT control anyone else&#039;s decisions, actions, speech, feelings, or thoughts. I can only control my own. I choose to let others do as they please. Nothing anyone does can affect me if I choose to not be affected. I am now removing my DRAMA QUEEN crown and burning it. From this day forward, I will no longer spend my days getting angry about things that I have no control over. My days of drama are gone, and I will be happy working on my own self and finding why I feel and react the way that I keep choosing to. And so it is."

    The person who waits for his gf/wife to not be looking to check out someone that he finds attractive is a very typical trait...of a man who is with a woman who is very controlling and very insecure and believes that he is cheating on her by appreciating someone else&#039;s beauty. Are you sure that your name is not HELEN EKSTEROWICZ?

    This topic has become more and more like a broken record and I no longer wish to participate. I feel sorry that you are choosing to keep doing the same old thing with the same old results. I hope that you find what really makes you happy and go with that. From this point on, I will not be looking at this thread. Have a good day.

    I could say respond in other ways to this post, but since she&#039;s not coming back, I&#039;ll just comment on the one bolded statement. There is nothing wrong at looking at someone in a non-sexual way and appreciating that person&#039;s beauty. But I just don&#039;t see how anyone, being the sexual creatures we are, look at a stripper or any woman dressed like she&#039;s all about sex, and not look at her in a sexual way. Women&#039;s nudity in this country is not simply nudity....it is shown in a sexual way, as an object of sex for men. Most images of male nudity (at least in the movies or on TV) is seen as nasty, disgusting, and something we don&#039;t want to look at. Some of that is changing slowly, and maybe unattractive men (with little morals) some day won&#039;t be able to get that "beautiful" woman. Maybe those "beautiful" women will someday want more from their men than just a wad of cash in his pocket.
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    What women like me are doing is ENJOYING THEMSELVES. While you sit around judging and hating the whole world, we are loving it. We&#039;ve tried to educate you here. The truth is, people who hate the world and are prejudiced and hateful see no logic, only hate. You can&#039;t follow simple logic, A + B = C, because you allow the strong hatred and resentment that you feel get in the way of your reasoning. You won&#039;t even answer Polecat&#039;s posts, because you know he&#039;s right. You don&#039;t have a mind complex enough to counteract, or even understand his arguements. This is my last post. I will not waste any more of my time on this, it&#039;s pointless. Go crawl back in the hole you crawled out of, you hateful bitch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79148#msg7914 8 date=1078076708
    Now i can speak up! I work for a major hospital, and yes, i do make more money than many co-workers in different depts. As i have no men in my dept. I am in the corporate world too! Not just private dancing anymore. Have been at this hospital for years! I DO make more money the alot of men! And they treat me with respect, as do i treat them with respect!

    My job at the hospital puts me in a whole different lifestyle change. I can&#039;t dress sexy, and i can&#039;t hustle. I need to use my brain, and i DEMAND respect from anyone who needs my services. I would expect to give the same respect to a woman or man at work.

    It&#039;s just plain old good manners. I could give a rats ass who makes more money than me. I still get my pay for my services. Again....i make more money then many MEN at work. Big deal. :o

    Who cares? really. If a woman does not take charge of her life, then she will get what is thrown at her, as will a man. Take charge! Love men and women! Love life. It takes both to make up the world

    Pamela


    You&#039;ve made some really good points. I have a few questions and/or comments. Yes, I agree that it is definitely possible to earn respect from men in the business world, but the way that is done is to not use sex as a stepladder. It seems you are doing that, and that is absolutely awesome! It seems that you have said you can&#039;t (or don&#039;t) dress sexy at work and don&#039;t hustle men. Most professions in the business world are professions were women can (and do) use their dress and their flirtatious nature and their ability to sleep their way to the top as a tool to get them to the top. And that is just no way to earn respect from men, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=27;threadid=6962;start=msg79151#msg7915 1 date=1078077072
    What women like me are doing is ENJOYING THEMSELVES. While you sit around judging and hating the whole world, we are loving it. We&#039;ve tried to educate you here. The truth is, people who hate the world and are prejudiced and hateful see no logic, only hate. You can&#039;t follow simple logic, A + B = C, because you allow the strong hatred and resentment that you feel get in the way of your reasoning. You won&#039;t even answer Polecat&#039;s posts, because you know he&#039;s right. You don&#039;t have a mind complex enough to counteract, or even understand his arguements. This is my last post. I will not waste any more of my time on this, it&#039;s pointless. Go crawl back in the hole you crawled out of, you hateful bitch.


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    Okay. You want me to respond to Polecat. I will go back to that loooonnnnggg post after I finish this and will respond to him. It seems to me, with all of his seemingly deliberate &#039;intelligent&#039; words thrown into his poast (word that aren&#039;t used in everyday language, by the way, but which I can understand of course and don&#039;t mind looking up the ones I don&#039;t know!) and the way he seems to deliberately form his sentences, he is trying to prove something and trying to intimidate my intelligence. I wasn&#039;t interested in playing his game. He knows what I&#039;m talking about too. I&#039;ve been around men who are trying to &#039;prove&#039; their intelligence and actually feel inferior around women. Men like this don&#039;t realize how transparent they really are. I just wasn&#039;t interested in debating &#039;women&#039; issues with a man either. But if it turns you off because I haven&#039;t, I&#039;ll go back and do it anyway.
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    I&#039;ve gone back and reread Polecat&#039;s post, and I have to take back some of what I said because I think I got his language confused with some woman on here that likes to use her &#039;educated&#039; words to prove her intelligence. I chose not to respond to him, one, because I&#039;m still not sure how to copy and paste parts of his posts and then respond to them individually (but I&#039;m going to go back and try to figure that out!) and also because he was obviously a man trying to do what I said in my last post. I wasn&#039;t interested in playing his game, as I said. I&#039;ve gone back to try to figure out the copy and paste feature so that I can put comments in between his comments, but I can&#039;t figure it out yet. This is just something new to me; I&#039;ll get it figured out.
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    And my last post, this thread seems beyond help.

    AMERICAN, i work for 3 WOMEN who are my boss. They are STRAIGHT....Husbands, kids 2 cars dogs cats and on and on and on.....

    I have a strict dress code. Skirts or dresses 2" ubove the knee only, hair tied back or polished in some way. Blouses, tops...No cleaveage.

    Wow sounds like a typical boring dress code. And it is, with out a man to screw my way to the top! I really like that!!

    Don&#039;t insult me again please by insinuating i MUST sleep my way to the top to make money.

    Pamela, who gives fantasy where it is needed, and REALITY where it is not, i,e. hospital work.

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