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    This is a site I found started by a family that has been eating raw foods for a LONG time. They made some amazing health transformations and have raised beautiful raw children. The husband has been doing raw foods for over 30 years, the wife for 12 years, and the children since they were born. I thought some of you might be interested since many of you seem skeptical of the validity of a live-food diet. I personally question the validity of a dead-food diet, but what do I know? Anyway, they have some great pictures and information on this site. Enjoy.


    http://www.thegardendiet.com/beforenafter.html

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    "many of you seem skeptical of the validity of a live-food diet."

    Very few people want to question the validity of a live-food diet if presented reasonably.

    What some people want to question are your tactics and tone. The voluminous cutting and pasting, the recitation of off-the-cuff statements as though they were facts, the incessant indignant tone, the intolerance of any other opinion, the refusal to believe any facts that run contrary to your pre-formed opinions, and the unreasonableness of some of the strategies you espouse.

    I think that's what some people have problems with.

    As for me, I have some doubts because you advocate your diet as leading to a happy life, but you very rarely sound happy.

    Also as for me, raw vegetables actually do make up a pretty good part of my diet because (shock!) I think they're good for us.

    But I'm not going to start turning my nose up at other things I like just because a radical guy wants to dictate how I should act and eat. I don't particularly care to subscribe to "mind control" from anybody.

    Finally, I see that you didn't agree with my posting about, if we really want to live naturally, we should trash our computers.

    Happy and healthy life to you.

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    Ryan, it seems you are only capable of talking about this one subject. Again, and again, and again in one post after another. You are obsessed with raw foods. Do you dream about raw food as much as you talk about it? Perhaps you should not be so quick to discount doctors, (psychologists especially). I think you clearly need one.

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    To answer your question, Mariah, Ryan does dream about raw foods...in fact, he fantasizes about vegetables when he masturbates.

    Ryan, do you have a job, or do you just sponge off your girlfriend?

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    ryan became a raw food advocate after his first time experimenting with a raw cucumber up his ass instead of a dildo.

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    CarmenNYC, why are you so bitter, maybe you should lay off some of those "subscription medications" you were raving about on the other thread ?

    As far as my job, I have a business selling organic fertilizers, sustainable agriculture products, and I also do landscape design, and exotic fruit tree plantings. I have been home with my daughter for the past 2 weeks bacause my girlfriend is in NYC working.


    BTY. the reason I became a raw food advocate is because of the momumental changes it has made in my life. I have spent time working with many dancers that are friends of my girlfriend to overcome many of the same problems I see on this board. I thought maybe I could help some people out here also. The reason I continue to post here is people are acually reading and responding to what i'm writing. I have a passion for helping people. I continue to write here because I get many messages from people here that they enjoy my posts, and relate to the subject. Some criticize, yes, but I know that that is their way of not stepping back and taking a look at their own dietary habits and their own role in the wolrd. Criticism is a natural defense mechanism, I understand this, and I am not offended by it. People on here know what the content of my posts is going to be. If you don't like writing, dont read my posts. If you want to criticize them, fire away, I enjoy the funny responces to my posts !! I like a good laugh too.

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    RYAN- why are you trying to diss me with the same words that i used to diss you? i thought you could think of something original....wait...no i didnt.

    on the SSRI thread i was not "raving" about antidepressants, i was discussing it with other users, which was what that thread was about. then you came in and belittled antidepressant users calling us "pathetic", blah blah blah, which was totally uncalled for. if you're going to come down on me, then i'll come down on you.

    i'm a sarcastic person and i'm just messing with you when i rip on you- but your posts do get on my nerves when i see you harping the same subject again and again, preaching why your way of life is so great. not to mention when you call me & others pathetic for being on a certain med. that's what mainly sparked my criticism of you...perhaps we should call a truce and let the threads be for what they are meant to be for- not one poster trashing another....

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    If there is a name on the info I cut and paste I include it, if there isn't i don't.

    I can make up names and add them in if you want me to...

    What is your defintion of "good science". That sounds very subjective to me, and your idea of "good science may be terrible science to the next man. I basically base my beliefs on results, not theories. I have studied human diet for years and studied the diets of the helthiest and longest lived people in the world like Dr. Norman Walker, Paul Bragg, ect.

    You say I post information that is just plain wrong, but how can my opinion be wrong? To you it may be wrong. Any statistic I post I can back up with a link, just ask. I just dont feel like posting a 100 links every post. Monty asked for a link to the source of the info I posted about medical students averaging 2.5 hours of nutrition training yesterday on another thread and I gave it to him. If you have posts of mine that you would like verified by credible sources like JAMA, just ask, I have no problem providing a link. I am not just pulling facts out of my ass. I am merely "reporting" on what I have read.

    You also say i'm arrogant. Who on here isn't . You are arrogant too. And you say I don't want to listen to others opinions. Neither do you, or you wouldn't always be busting on mine. As far as i'm concerned, your above post is just a shitty collection of all the bullshit that has been said about my posts. Come up with something original.

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    Ryan, I checked out your link above and I found a good quote.

    Many people find this diet hard to do 100%. The good news is, even if you only eat a couple of more "all-live" foods a day and keep doing what you are doing now, you are on the right path, and your health will improve. You don't have to go all the way to get benefits from this diet.
    I post that because I think you put some good topics up that are worth considering but it isn't an all or nothing endeavor. The tone the author of that quote uses makes the idea more palatable. I reiterate what I've said in earlier posts: this information might reach more people for consideration if your tone was a little more welcoming. Delivery can be half the message.

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    great! I'm very happy you checked it out! I really admire that family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss george link=board=5;threadid=6876;start=msg78194#msg78194 date=1077833180

    Right often is unoriginal.

    Don't tell that statement to Christopher Columbus, Issac Newton, Alexander Graham Bell, Albert Einstein, or anyone of the thousands of other free thinkers that totally prooved you closed-minded statements to be complete and total bullshit. I will correct your statement

    WRONG IS OFTEN UNORIGINAL


    If you think my postings are so innacurate and they are "junk" why do you obsess on them and continue to read them and respond to them. If i think someone's posts on here are BS, i just don't reaad them. I really don't get it. If you see my name next to a post, just skip by it. You would save yourself a lot of time. Take the National Enquirer for example. I think it's BS. So I don't read it. I dont read the whole thing, and then write to the editor that the magazine is full of shit. I think I would be a moron for doing that. Yet, you keep doing, and doing, and doing the same thing. I don't get it....

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    "They made some amazing health transformations and have raised beautiful raw children."

    That is funny as hell.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist...


    Dammit, Ryan--you are closing the minds of these people by harping on this stuff.

    We are by nature omnivorous.

    Raw foods are healthy, noone can deny that, but getting fanatical about it and pissing more people off than you reach with your advice is not.
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    If we are "by nature omnivorous" why can we not enjoy animal foods in their natural state ? Why are the only things that taste good to us naturally is fruit? Why do we have to alter animal food to eat them? If we are natural animal eaters why don't we eat animal foods just like every other omnivire/carnivore on the palnet ? Fruit needs no cooking, spices, sauce, seasoning, preservatives, frying, basting, additives, ect. Why does everyone that switches to a raw food diet experience monumental health benefits ? If they needed animal foods wouldn't they feel much worse after removing it from their diets ?
    Like I said, if animal foods appeal to you in their natural state, EAT THEM! However, once food is put to fire, it becomes toxic, it becomes poison.. This I can say is a fact I can back up with MANY PROVEN SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS.

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    Ryan, you are asking for all this ridicule. If anyone harped on a diet as much as you have here, they would be subjected to the same. We all heard you the first time!!!!

    I also got a kick out of that beautiful raw children line. LOL. Ryan, that's just cheesy.



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    lol, i guess it is kinda cheesy. I get a little too passionate sometimes.

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    I wil lend some credibility to your argument when you live a week on raw cucumbers and pumpkin slices (raw). Once again you have the opportunity to answer if you have ever heard of apple pie(or most any other pie), salted nuts(yes nuts are fruit), or cinnamon on apple sauce.

    By the way RYAN did you realize that the humble dill pickle is a TRIPLE Fruit? Cucumber(fruit), dill(it is biologically classified as a fruit) and Vinegar is normally made from apples and grapes(fruits).

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    I live all the time on raw foods. Fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds, and sunshine (a food in it's own right) Why do I have to limit myself to only cucumbers and pumpkin slices. I enjoy a variety of hundreds of different raw foods.

    Of course I have heard of apple pie, as well as all other foodstuffs available. I just don't eat them anymore... I am very aware if the foods that are available. However, I have eliminated all but the most highly mineralized, easily assimilable, nutrient dense, non-mucus forming, alkaline, raw foods from my diet.

    I do not eat apple pie because the apples are cooked and dead, or salted nuts because all commercial nuts are cooked during processing (try to sprout one if you don't believe me) or apple sauce (again because its cooked, dead, lifeless.

    Pickles are also cooked ducing the pickling/pasteurization process. Basically all foods that are in the supermarket that are in a can or bottle have been cooked/pasteurized to vastly extend shelf-life. Cooking kills the exzymes that would naturally beark the food down. So, they take the death out of it when they cook it, but they also take the life out of it when they cook it as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss george link=board=5;threadid=6876;start=msg78279#msg78279 date=1077842792
    I usually don't bother to read any of your posts, Ryan, but another SW poster PMed me to say you had been especially annoying lately, so I had to check it out.

    That's wierd, you say you usually don't bother to read my posts, yet you have commented on nearly every post I have written?

    You wouldn't be lying would ya ?

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    I am a fellow raw fooder myself and I think its great that you are so passionate about it Ryan but I also think alot of people on this board don't want to hear about it (fair enough they don't have to read your posts if they don't want to). I feel that you may be pushing alot of people away with your attitudes... some people just aren't prepared to be told that what they are eating and doing with their lives is out right WRONG. If you tell someone this they close off and nothing you say will get through. You can talk all you want but they just won't hear what you are saying. I have done the course through the garden diet and love what the family is about... but their approach is very subtle. As Jinjee wrote in one of her ebooks "I WILL NOT PREACH BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT RECEPTIVE TO THIS DIET. IF SOMEONE IS READY FOR IT, DON'T WORRY THEY WILL BE BEATING DOWN YOUR DOOR FOR INFORMATION." So stop turning those off who are not ready (now or ever) and let those who are come to you...Just some food for thought.

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    Ryan for an expert on food, you don't know diddly about pickles. You know those cruchy dill pickles you see people who enjoy life eating? They are crunchy precisely BECAUSE they are not cooked. The only reason to heat the pickle is to soften it. Add a few days to the process and a cold cucumber becomes a pickle,

    LOL Krys, some raw food for thought?

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    if there not cooked, why does every jar at the grocery store say "pasteurized" ?????

    I know that pickles can be made raw, because I have made them before using freh dill, fersh cayenne pepper, fresh garlic, fresh kirby cucumbers, 1/2 raw apple cider vinegar and 1/2 distilled water. Let them ferment for 7 days and then put in refridgerator...

    I also have made kim-chi and sauerkraut.

    However, I do know for a fact that the pickles at the grocery store are cooked.

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    I only eat organic, it is against organic guidelines to irraidiate anything labeled organic. I grow as much of my food as possible, thats why i moved to florida and will be moving to hawaii by the end of the year. The soil in Hawaii is the among the cleanest and most nutrient dense soil in the wolrd. And the air there is AMAZING. Hawaii is also one of the only places in the wolrd where you can drink the water right out of a stream! Iceland is another. BTW, why is anything that is differnrt than your little MTV life considered a "cult"?

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    Ryan, since all your 300 posts are about the same thing, why not keep them in one thread where you can just obsessively talk to yourself? That would make it far easier for everyone to ignore you.

    Even better, there will soon be a place for you to go and talk about raw foods with people who actually might listen to you. http://www.rawchef.org/msgboard/ Maybe you should ask to be a moderator there, that would give you something raw-foods related to do all day.

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    I for one know one thing about foods. Any item that is in a can or jar inside the grocery store has been heated at a temp. Maybe 140 i think for a short time. That is considered cooked, it's not a raw state.

    Thats why we want to eat frozen vegetables, they are taken naturally and just frozen. They hold their nutrients better, actually alot better. Cans and jars that contain food are really not good. I do try to stay away from canned foods.

    Actually pickles in a jar are heated for the market. Thats why we see pasteurized. I always wondered about these foods, then i found out through the "natural foods, and raw diets magazines."

    PS if your looking for raw food stay away from any form of "heating" it's natural state has been altered.
    Just my 2 cents worth.

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    Mariah, if you want to ignore me so bad, why do you keep responding to my posts? It doesn't seem like you want to ignore me at all, as it is extremely to see who started each thread. You must LOVE what I write. LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT !

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