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    Hello,

    I am writing my first novel and my story involves a young girl who takes a job as a stripper in a Chicago club. In order to write my story I need some information. Normally I would take on the roll or position to learn all I could but well I am not too fit since having my daughter and I've never set foot in a topless or nude club (male or female) so I am really pretty clueless aside from what I've seen in movies. I am hoping some of the ladies would be willing to help me out. Here is what I need to know.

    What is the process for a girl to get hired in a club as a dancer?
    Do dancers work the floor or dance on a catwalk or extended stage?
    What is a lap dance? (I told you i'm clueless)
    Does any dancer do lap dances or is it your choice?
    What are some common themes that a dancer might take on for her routine?
    Say a smaller scale club-
    How close do dancers know the owner or manager? Bouncers?
    What sort of relationship does a dancer have with the other girls?
    Is there any animosity between dancers and servers?
    Do small clubs rotate the same dancers or are they ever changing?
    On a typical evening how would it work? How many dances on stage? how long do they last? How many lap dances or private dances?
    Do some clubs allow contact from customers during lap dances or private dances?

    etc, etc, etc....

    Anything else I havent asked but that you might think I should know would be most helpful.. Thank you all for your time!


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    I am a writer and researcher, both for academic work and screenplays. My advice would be to get into a little better shape, and go out and experience it. Nothing is worse for the conveyance of reality than seeing a film someone has made or reading a book someone has written who has obviously not LIVED the experience. It is see-through, no matter how much research you do, if you have not lived it, at least to a certain degree. Even just a few nights in a club will broaden your perspective dramatically. You don't need to be in perfect shape (as you may not realize not ever even having been in one).

    First and foremost, if you really want to write a story that depicts strip-club life, you MUST MUST MUST AT LEAST hang out as a customer...watch, observe, talk to the dancers, get some lap dances, sit at the stage, watch the guys, talk to the managers, let them know what you're doing, etc.

    That would only be second best thing to actually doing it yourself. I would start off as a customer then move into dancer, at least for a short while. You don't have to go to the very best club if you're that uncomfortable. If you do get the courage to do it, you can find the answers to all your preemptive questions by searching threads on this site.

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    Most, if not all, of your questions have been discussed on this board. First, take a few hours and read the posts in the stripping section. Also read the articles down on the bottom.

    Then, when you have a basic understanding go to the "male" side http://www.stripclubjunkie.com/
    In the forum area there is a whole section on what its like from both a customer and a stripper's point of view.

    Finally, visit a few clubs in your area as a customer. You can talk to the women (just remember that they are working so tip them for their time You may even get yourself a "lap dance" first hand!

    Then, armed with all of your basic knowledge, you can ask the ladies here specific questions.
    "Those who dance, are considered crazy by those who can't hear the music."--George Carlin

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    I am a writer myself and I can assure you that no description, however rich or full of information, will adequately prepare you to paint in vivid detail the nuances, performance, lifestyle and atmosphere that is a stripper and her strip club. You must see it firsthand. Often. Recall the old cliche that we write what we know, and then prepare yourself to KNOW.

    Now, to answer your questions.

    so I am really pretty clueless aside from what I've seen in movies.
    Trust me when I say that what you saw in movies was 10% reality and the rest artistic licence. Again, get thee out to a strip club until you can spot the difference.


    What is the process for a girl to get hired in a club as a dancer?
    It depends upon the club or the dancer. A girl from out of town would likely call the club manager to ascertain what sorts of fees and rules the club had, as well as the dress code for dancers, and then email some recent pictures. A smaller club might keep it as simple as having a look at the girl after she fills out an application and then telling her when she may start working. A medium sized club may, in addition, have her audition on stage (for which she will either make an appointment or come prepared). For a large club, which are almost exclusively evening gown clubs, a prospective dancer would show up looking her absolute best; these clubs have the best earning potential and are very picky. It is the choicest stripping job, however. Management would examine her closely and perhaps interview her. She will probably have to audition on stage. Some clubs then just ask the woman what days she is available to work; others have her "book" shifts, knowing that some shifts may be booked in advance and not available.

    Do dancers work the floor or dance on a catwalk or extended stage?
    Depends upon the club. I have yet to see a club that did not have a raised stage, usually at least two feet off the floor. Stages come in all shapes and sizes. Some are kidney shaped, with a girl at each end. Some look like a cross and a girl dances at the tip of each catwalk. Some have a roomy back stage and a catwalk leading to a smaller front stage.

    What is a lap dance? (I told you i'm clueless)
    Let's examine the words. Lap. Dance. A dance that takes place on a customer's lap, in other words. (I'm kidding, I always liked that scene in Men at Work) I have customers ask this often, and what I tell them is that a lap dance is a sensory experience which can no more be explained in words than can the smell of an orange or the flavor of salt. It must be experienced.

    Does any dancer do lap dances or is it your choice?
    The house usually does not mandate that you perform lap dances, and in some cities the lap dance is illegal. However, some larger clubs have a quota which must be met for continued employment and no dancer would voluntarily forego a lap dance, as it is the primary source of income.

    What are some common themes that a dancer might take on for her routine?
    Say a smaller scale club-

    You are referring to a feature entertainer. A feature is a traveling dancer who books well in advance and puts on themed shows (such as a fan dance, or a Marilyn Monroe, or a Vegas showgirl). Most other dancers simply select their music and dance as well as they can, with no theme in mind other than not falling on their face (especially new dancers, who are overly absorbed with the not-falling aspect... unaccustomed six inch heels and a three-foot raised stage makes a nervous combination).

    How close do dancers know the owner or manager?
    Most dancers may never meet the owner, or may run into him only occasionally when he pops in to check on his investment (the club). Managers run the gamut of personable, cheerful people who hold employee barbeques and give out their phone number, to cold and condescending people who treat dancers like meat, to abusive people who sexually harass or demand money in exchange for jobs or continued employment.

    Bouncers?
    I can't speak for everyone, but I know my bouncers fairly well. I don't call them at home or anything, but I have a sense of their personality well enough that I know if they're upset and we can consider each other good acquaintances.

    What sort of relationship does a dancer have with the other girls?
    Most dressing rooms are full of drama, catfights, jealousies, competition and petty theft. That is why dressing rooms have lockers. There is usually a queen bee of some sort. Even in the best dressing rooms, a dancer will not have enough time to become bosom buddies with every girl with whom she works. Even in the worst, there are still enough decent people that she makes a few friends.

    Is there any animosity between dancers and servers?
    Not that I've seen, though you do run into the occasional waitress, shooter girl or bartender who gets a kick out of spreading rumors about what you really do in the VIP room. Still, my experience is that this is rare. To a dancer, the waitstaff is part of the background.

    Do small clubs rotate the same dancers or are they ever changing?
    The shifts in a small club are very similar to the shift at a fast food restaurant. There are maybe 30 employees at any one point in time and there is a very high turnover rate. In three months time, a club such as this could have only 3 girls left out of the original 30 but more always show up to take the place of those that quit or get fired.

    On a typical evening how would it work? How many dances on stage? how long do they last? How many lap dances or private dances?
    You show up and finish getting ready in the dressing room. Then you put your name on a list kept by the DJ, this is the "ready to perform" list. He puts girls on stage in order of the list (the first to be ready is the first to perform, and so on until the bottom of the list is reached, at which point in time they start over at the top of the list). At most clubs you dance for two songs. Then you get off the stage, freshen up (it is very athletic work to dance on stage under lights, most girls sweat) and then thank the customers who tipped you. You find one who looks like a likely suspect and sit with him, chit chatting a bit and then ask for a dance. Either you get one, after which the whole process begins anew, or you move on to another customer and try again. You get as many dances as you can. Eventually the DJ will come back to your name on the list and you will have to go back on stage again unless you are busy doing lap dances.

    In a small club with 4-10 girls (typical weekday shift) you will hit the stage as often as every 30 minutes to every hour. On busy nights with 15-20 girls they usually put two girls on stage at a time; still for two songs, but a girl leaves and another girl takes the stage every song in a Round-Robin style, so you will still hit the stage every hour or so. With about 20-30 girls on the shift, you may go up only once every two hours.

    Do some clubs allow contact from customers during lap dances or private dances?
    Hell, some clubs encourage it. Some bouncers can be paid by the customer to look the other way whether the girl likes it or not. But most clubs have a Touch-and-Go policy (you touch, you go). This is only literally interpreted on stage, but bouncers often jump in during lap dances to remind customers that they need to keep their hands to the side.


    Anything else I havent asked but that you might think I should know would be most helpful..
    Stage fees. Dancers are not employees, they are independent contractors. As such, WE pay THEM. The norm is from $10-30 per shift at smaller to meduim sized clubs, plus a 10% tip to the DJ, tips to the bar if you got drinks and tips to the bouncers. At large clubs, stage fees can run $50-300 plus all the tips stated earlier. The house also gets a cut of the lap dances. The usual price for lap dances is $25-30 and the house keeps $5. That is a VIP dance, in a private room (which may also have private booths, depending upon the class of the club). There are also tableside dances. That's a misnomer, by the way, as I've never seen them actually done tableside. Dancer and customer typically move to an out-of-the-way corner or couch along the wall of the main floor and dance there. Those tableside dances are cheaper ($10-$20) and the dancer keeps all of that money.

    I'll leave the description of champagne rooms to those with more experience.

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    Go to a club.


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    I'm really not sure that Chicago clubs are the typical setting
    for strip club plot. Chicago does make for great movie and book plots and seems to increasingly be doing so. Depends what the rest of your story is about. Increasingly I see the Chicago SC market as not that typical of the rest of the country. Here's what I see as the market developing for SC. This will bring hot protests from many on the board, but appears to be the most probable for a club to succeed.
    Full nude, full bar, light kitchen, VIP rooms, (not communal areas) light to moderate contact, updated or new facilities lots of parking.
    Good atmosphere and friendly (non controling) towards customer located in a good area or safe area.

    Many clubs in Chicago are toplesss or pastie. So they aren't full nude. They do have full bar in most cases. The trade off is not nude for the bar license. Don;t seem to have kitchens or snacks.
    (Reason the kitchens lose money. However they are a necessary ammenity.) There really aren't VIP rooms, but there are VIP areas.
    There is very light contact. Facilities generally aren't new, but are generally well maintained an clean. Parking lots are small and inadequate, due to density of buildings in large city area.
    Chicago Atmosphere parallels New York in that it is not that friendly
    (even if it is acting friendly) toward customer. Doorman floor manager wants a handout to seat you... which is "controlling."
    Implicit threat is that your car is watched if you do valet and not watched if you don't... so do valet. I admit I may be incorrect but this is what I perceive to be the case. (If my car isn't safe than de facto the club is not in a "safe area.")

    If you can do full nude/full bar, the market seems to accept no or light contact. Las Vegas seems to set the standards on strip clubs, facilities, and operational issues.

    Suggestion: Use Chicago as your plot setting and pretend the strip club scene operates like Las Vegas but in Chicago.

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    no sh#t .. (excuse my lang)
    GO TO A CLUB!!! it would almost be "unfair" for someone to write about something they have no idea about! Besides, i wouldn't want to read fiction. I like reality. .. and the reality is you wont know unless you are there!! No matter how many responces you get from dancers about their experiences.

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    not wanting to sound like a bitch or anyhting.....but what makes you want to write your FIRST novel on a topic you know nothing about????????????????

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    Lilith and Niceguy thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I have what I need now to set the scene.

    For those who doubt-the strip side is less than a chapter and just enough to set up the real story. If every good author writes what she knows how do you then explain historical novels, spy and fbi stories, murder stories? Research, research, research..... A little faith, a lot of talent, and a great editor help too.

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    Not to sound rude or anything but if you wanted someone to basically supply all the research and material for a book you are writing ...dont you think they should be compensated due to the fact without their material and insight your book would not be possible.



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    TORI---EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You are writing the story ABOUT a young girl who takes a job as a stripper in chicago. im SORRY, FROM YOUR description it doesnt sound like one single chapter in the book.
    Also, a lot of authors like to write on things they are interested in, something they have backround knowledge in. From your questions.. it doesn't sound like you are too familiar with the stripper "lifestyle."
    You don't have to experience WW2, but from my experience it sounds BETTER coming from those WHO DID

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    Wow, this post got some really different responses, didn't it? Hope you weren't too offended. I admire you for your ambition, I, too, have always wanted to take the time to write a good novel. But my favorites are gothic mysteries and, sadly, no one writes those anymore. In any case, I would have given you some of the same advice, "live it and learn it. "

    I have always wanted to read a good book about someone who actually lives as a stripper..but I've never seen one. It looks like your dead set on doing this and I have to say Lilith did a superb job in answering your questions

    BUT there are other things you might want to keep in mind:

    Stripping sort of rolls over into your personal life. Unfortunately, it's not always a job you fall right out of when you go home. There are a lot of things, not posted on this board, never seen in any movie I've watched, etc..that strippers experience daily....and as we all know, books contain a lot more emotion, it's required in order to produce a good novel.

    And since your going to do it, well *phew* let's do it right:

    When we first start stripping our emotions are a rollercoaster! We are scared to death, not because we're going to be nude, but because complete strangers are watching us and we are sooooo terrified that they are going to permanently judge us a complete idiot, not just the customers either, the girls, too. If you walk in by yourself, you've never felt so alone.

    Which is why our newbie board is such a great place .

    Every girl remembers her first stage experience, FOREVER, like birthing a child they can remember exactly how many tips they got, what song they played, how embarrassed, drunk, shaken, redfaced, sexy, productive, hot etc. they were... that night. And the next day, we wake up hurting in places we have never hurt before, because, face it, we've just spent 8 hours wearing shoes that basically twisted our feet AND body in directions it's never experienced.

    Be sure to elaborate in your book...

    sometimes we come home in the greatest of moods, having a great night, feeling like the sexiest woman in the world, with gobs of money in our hands, and burning holes in our pocketbooks. Hey hon! we're on top of the world...

    BUT sometimes..not all the time..but sometimes... we have terrible, terrible nights where any of the following might happen:

    1) we get cheated out of money. (many ways this could happen)
    2) the night is really, really slow and we make less than 100 bucks (which by the way leaves us with almost nothing after tipping everybody and their sibling)
    3) run into that ONE guy who is a total jerk-off, is usually drunk, and either offends us personally by his smell, appearance etc, OR offends us verbally because of some personal reason, like maybe his wife or boss ticked him off and he needs a scapegoat, OR offends us physically by trying to reach for places he should get slapped sideways for.
    4) every guy we walked up to didn't give us a second glance and turned us down, and even though we look drop dead gorgeous, we now feel like the ugly duckling.

    And on nights like these, we may come home feeling like total crap, tired as hell, and feeling like maybe we never want to go back.

    OMG, I could go on and on about how it is to BE A STRIPPER, it's not like working in an office, the politics are COMPLETELY different. The people ARE completely different. You are not ever the same. It's not something I can ever put in just one post.

    It's great fun, the money is great, but IT IS a job. As strippers not only are we expected to entertain, but also to listen, conversate, have the answers, console, counsel, understand, pretend, role play, dramatize, empathize, sympathize, fantisize, and just about any other "athize" you can throw in. We aren't just entertainers, alot of times we're psychologists (and I don't mean that one has another job as a psychologist either)...and that not always something you just leave behind when you go home.

    {JUMP IN ANYTIME GIRLS}

    Sooooo, if you think you just need to "do a little" research before introducing your character as a newbie stripper and then moving on to the plot. Well, your way off. It would actually play a major role in the characters life and lifestyle, just like if she were a FBI agent, or a psychologist. If your dead set on doing this, you may seriously want to leave your email address and ask strippers, politely, if they would like to permanently collaborate with you while your writing....because if you don't..your character will, well, have no character.

    WHICH is what the other girls were desprately trying to explain to you...but couldn't.

    Damn I'm good ...maybe I should go write that book now..nah, just kidding.

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    Precious is dead-on-balls accurate. It's the nuances that bring characters and their surroundings to life. Frankly, if you don't know the nuances then you haven't a hope of creating three-dimensional characters in a three dimensional world, no matter what your grandfather did for a living. Stripping is just a job, yes, but not in the sense that being an accountant is just a job. It's more akin to the military being "just a job" or being a politician, in that it affects every aspect of your regular life.
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    wow! we have a lot of writers here. hmmm i don't write about things that i've had hands-on experience in in general but i still have depth to what i write and passion for it. for example, in two different stories i'm working on now, i have a 16-year-old girl in foster care trying to get emancipated. and in another i have a 21-year-old young woman who's a teen mom and recently got married to her long-term boyfriend. but i've never experienced those things.

    as to recognizing those who helped you even if you can't find them and thank them for their help, don't forget to include them. how do you plan on publishing?

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    I admire his ambition too but I think of movies like the Blue Iguana and think, wow what a shitty portrayal of dancers -so we're all a bunch of drug addicted pregnant women who sleep with their brothers? According to movies like that, apparently so. Lilith said it best when she said that it is unrealistic for someone who has not lived the experience to create a fair portrayal of dancers and the industry as a whole. Not to imply that dancers are the only ones entitled to write about dancers!!! All I am saying is at the very very least - you have GOT to get out there and do some extensive research. Go to clubs, various clubs; nude, topless, and most importantly, get to know some of the dancers. It would just make it easier for you as a writer and ultimately, it would make for a better novel overall. I know you said you had a child and it would be difficult for you to go to clubs but to get even the smallest handle on what you're writing about, you've got to do the leg work. The world just does not need another unrealistic negative spin on stripping written by someone who has no clue about dancers and this business. I think if you are going to write about a believable dancing character, you've got to get out there and do the research. Good luck!

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    Wow, lots of different responses! I'm not a dancer (yet!) but Rodeo, I admire the fact that you are doing some research instead of just using your imagination. Some of the other girls probably feel this way too, as many have said that dancers are misrepresented. Sorry I can't offer anything other than support!

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    This post is 4 years old. I'm sure the OP has either written the book by now or given up. Let's keep old topics like this dead- there's nothing helpful left to say anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francesca View Post
    I am a writer and researcher, both for academic work and screenplays. My advice would be to get into a little better shape, and go out and experience it. Nothing is worse for the conveyance of reality than seeing a film someone has made or reading a book someone has written who has obviously not LIVED the experience. It is see-through, no matter how much research you do, if you have not lived it, at least to a certain degree. Even just a few nights in a club will broaden your perspective dramatically. You don't need to be in perfect shape (as you may not realize not ever even having been in one).

    First and foremost, if you really want to write a story that depicts strip-club life, you MUST MUST MUST AT LEAST hang out as a customer...watch, observe, talk to the dancers, get some lap dances, sit at the stage, watch the guys, talk to the managers, let them know what you're doing, etc.

    That would only be second best thing to actually doing it yourself. I would start off as a customer then move into dancer, at least for a short while. You don't have to go to the very best club if you're that uncomfortable. If you do get the courage to do it, you can find the answers to all your preemptive questions by searching threads on this site.
    YES! AMEN! SOOO true. The last thing we need is another representation out there that makes us look like idiotic blonde machines! (Think Showgirls)

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    ^^^

    Woah I didn't even know there were strip clubs in Madison!! Was up WI home girl???
    (I just moved back to MKE)
    Sexy Jasmine after getting fucked over at work:

    God loves strippers and when guys do things like that its an automatic ticket to HELL!


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    Perhaps you stopped spending money on her. Strippers need money to operate. They are like coin operated juke-boxes of love.

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    I always thought the number one rule for writing is to write about something you know about.
    Otherwise you just look a fool.
    And piss off everyone who actually does have knowledge about the subject.

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    HAHA! There is ONE strip club in Madison!!

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    oh, sorry for bringing back this old topic! i didn't even look at the year, just at the 03/03 part of the date. :$

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