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    While it may be distressing to some, the Electoral College actually simplifies close election considerations. Consider the election of 1960 when JFK had 34,227 K votes and RMN had 34,108 K votes (119,000 differences-the Gore/bush differential was 550K). If that race had been decided by popular vote alone think Florida in 2000 multiplied by 51. Actually a lot more because counties would have individual challenges to their performances.
    http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/...b/election.pdf

    Personally, I think the Electoral college system should be modified to operate at the Congressional District level rather than entirely at the state level.

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    I am registered and I vote in both local & national elections. Alot of people forget about local elections and then complain it seems to me. I am an independant & plan to vote for Kerry this Pres. election. I liked Dean alot but dont think he is quite ready. i'd like to see him get more national experience and maybe run again in 4 or 8 years. I predict Kerry will win ! I want Bush out thats for damn sure!

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    I agree Isis..I vote in local elections too. Our votes are very important !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=1;threadid=7077;start=msg80889#msg80889 date=1078437612
    I am registered and I vote in both local & national elections. Alot of people forget about local elections and then complain it seems to me. I am an independant & plan to vote for Kerry this Pres. election. I liked Dean alot but dont think he is quite ready. i'd like to see him get more national experience and maybe run again in 4 or 8 years. I predict Kerry will win ! I want Bush out thats for damn sure!
    Right On, Isis. I vote in both local and national also. I voted for Kerry in the primary. I'm just sick and tired of G.W., for many reasons.

    I did like Dean also.. He's way energetic.. lol.. I always make jokes that he speaks like an auctioneer. Hopefully, he'll build himself up and be ready within the next 2 terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina link=board=1;threadid=7077;start=msg80598#msg80598 date=1078369262
    Republicans are against abortion and are for good old fashioned religion.

    Even though the Democrats aren't perfect, they are pro choice, and any dancer who votes but who doesn't vote democratic is adding more fuel to the fire for more ordinances beiing passed against adult entertainment.
    The problem with the boldfaced quote is that your presumptions quoted above are inaccurate. While some, perhaps even a lot, of politicians can be divided on party lines, this is not an absolute. Notably, Republicans have worked on pro-choice legislature. Democrats have been against gay unions/marriage. Repiblicans have cut taxes and worked to create jobs. Democrats have passed bills severely affecting the working poor and anti-dancer ordinances. (Not to say that these instances are solely attributed to the party mentioned, but to rather illustrate that politicians vary political stances as often as we change thongs).


    This is why I do not toe the party line. For all you know, this broad demand to do so will result in electing a Democrat who is against gay unions/marriage, for an increase in taxes, and in favor of anti-dance ordinances. Don't elect on party affiliation; elect on their stances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=7077;start=msg80741#msg80741 date=1078398027
    Ah.. definitely a question for Melonie. lol.. I've always thought that it is actually the "Electoral" votes that count, and ultimately determine the outcome. Am I understanding that right?
    Yes, absolutely correct. when you and I vote for president we are actually casting votes for "electors". Each state is assigned a certain number of "electors" based on the state's relative population. It is the "electors" who then cast THEIR votes for presidential candidates. Actually, the "electors" ALWAYS vote for the candidate that the voters elected them to vote for, but they are not legally bound to and COULD vote differently if given enough reason.

    From my understanding, having an Electoral College stems from the same 'states rights' theory that gave us a Senate where every state is equally represented regardless of population, versus a house of representatives where each state is represented in proportion to its population. The principle is that every state's "voice" should count not just the ones with huge populations totally dominating the smaller states, which was a condition of the original 13 colonies forming the USA in the first place. IMHO there was a great deal of wisdom in choosing this approach !

    With the electoral college system, the "losing" votes of registered voters in individual states don't count. This means that in the 2000 election Al Gore won California with a large majority of votes from registered voters. However, George Bush won lots of states with smaller populations with smaller majorities of registered voters. Therefore if you add up the winning registered voters' votes for Gore in California plus the losing votes for Gore in the smaller states, it did indeed come out to be more registered voter votes than Bush received. Nonetheless, Bush won more "electors" and is thus president while Gore is lecturing.

    If we were to abolish the Electoral College system in favor of "true democracy" we would also have to abolish the Senate, where it's currently possible for the low population states like RI and VT and WY to "out-vote" the states of CA and NY even though the combined population of RI + VT + WY is less than that of greater NYC or greater LA.

    The Electoral College and the Senate are "checks and balances" against the extreme concentration of power in a very few places, because those very few powerful places might possibly develop some 'wacky' ideas which would not be good for the rest of the country ! The founding fathers were indeed very wise men ! But the one thing that the founding fathers failed to anticipate was the evolution of individual city newspapers into a nationwide system of electronic broadcasting, with the centers of that electronic broadcasting being located in those very few powerful places. Unlike 200 years ago, where people who lived 1000's of miles apart were very unlikely to hear of/read about the 'wacky' ideas emerging far away, today those 'wacky' ideas can be selected as the lead story by a very few powerful people in those very few powerful places, and electronically broadcast to people in every part of the country with a loud enough message to sometimes drown out locally developed ideas to the contrary. The Electoral College and the Senate guarantee that those ideas to the contrary will still be heard, even though the very few powerful places can now shout their own ideas across the country with a much louder voice !
    Wow.. Thanks, Melonie. I had always heard that the Electoral votes determined the outcome, but I wasn't aware of the details. Thanks for explaining things once again to me.. I just can't get into this politics stuff. LOL

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    While it may be distressing to some, the Electoral College actually simplifies close election considerations. Consider the election of 1960 when JFK had 34,227 K votes and RMN had 34,108 K votes (119,000 differences-the Gore/bush differential was 550K).
    It's reported that if Richard Nixon had requested a recall in 1960 that it would have been discovered that Chicago Mayor Daley singlehandedly delivered 100,000 Kennedy votes from Illinois residents who were deceased prior to the election ! Yet Nixon had the good judgement not to open such a public 'can of worms', and was wise to sit back and wait for another chance rather than choosing to 'air America's dirty political laundry' before the entire world press as Gore did.

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    yes i am...

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    Yes I am registered and my political stance makes Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal! lol
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