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    hey everyone... as most of you probably know i have only been dancing for around 4 months... i dance go-go in new jersey... i keep hearing horror stories about the bars getting raided by the ABC... and that we are going to be raided soon... i'm not sure how this works in other states... but i think it's basically the alcohol beaurau coming in and checking for underage drinking... drugs... and prostitiution... but from what i understand the jersey laws are pretty strict... and that we are not actually by law allowed to sit on laps for lapdances and things like that... and i'm wondering why my boss never mentioned this to me... anyway... i'm pretty nervous about all this... and i'm wondering if anyone ever went through a raid, and can tell me anything about it all... thanks everyone... ;)

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    my club suffered a big fat raid about a year ago. Under cover comes in for months before the big raid. When it finally goes down they already have a big fat list of warrants. They block off the entrances and cops and drug dogs unload out of vans through the front and back door. Lights come on, music goes off and everyone hits the floor. (even customers). It is scary and lots of people go to jail. Drugs, lude and lesivious, drink soliciting (its illegal here even to ask a customer to buy a drink), underage drinking, they really cleaned the place out. We have a great owner though and she bailed us all out and paid all of our attorney fees. She said next time we are on our own.
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    ahhh... that is so scary.... i'm freaked out...

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    Heidi..I live in Central NJ too and have heard about raids, though they're not that common. They basically only happen around here if the community complains about the strip club. I've never heard of any law that says you're not allowed to sit on a customer's lap, at one club I visited and worked at briefly they HAD cops there 24/7, I guess to keep an eye on things, but this was a nude club and I'm sure if lap dancing was illegal, it wouldn't have been going on. Also, some clubs have laws that require all Law Enforcement officials to identify themselves at the door, even if they were off duty. Unfortunately, go go clubs seem to be more of a target because of the drinking. BUT, many clubs have "deals" with the Police, i.e. they come in once a month and if they see anything "unreasonable", they'll warn management first. It's definetly something to think about, but I wouldn't worry about it too much, especially if you work in a "clean" go go club.

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    thanks a lot hon... i don't know if you'd call the club i work at "clean:... there's a lot of drugs and illegal things going on...well as long as i don't do anything wrong i can't get in trouble right?...lol

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    OK, been lecturing NJ laws over and over again! I cannot comment on juice bars but I can comment on the liquor go-go bars. Legally, you are not supposed to be in anyones lap. When giving a dance, technically you are supposed to be I guess about 6 inches or so away. You are not supposed to take the dollar tip in your breasts. You are supposed to take it in your hands. In NJ it is a prostitution offense to take the dollar in your breasts. They can and will arrest you for it. To thevalkyriexxx, most of these raids are done by the state. The ABC does not have to identify themselves to any club. To say that clubs have rules that all law enforcement people must identify themselves at the door is totally ludicrous! They can do what they want, to anyplace they want, it is a public place. The only thing the ABC MUST do, is tell the local cops, that they are going to be doing a raid on a particular club, because I believe they have to have a local cop with them when it goes down.

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    To money: well, the club I worked at previously (nude juice bar) DID have a big sign in the entrance that said all LE officials must present their badges. Of course, doesn't mean that they will. I'll take your word on the lap dance laws, you sound pretty informed about NJ laws, it's just something that I never heard before.

    To Heidi: If the girls (and/or management) are doing illegal things inside the club, GET THE HELL OUT. There are tons of go go clubs in NJ, and many will NOT put up with that crap. Even if you are not participating, if the club gets raided, they will most likely arrest every dancer in there. You don't want to risk it, especially if you're not doing anything wrong.

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    i don't know if you'd call the club i work at "clean:... there's a lot of drugs and illegal things going on...well as long as i don't do anything wrong i can't get in trouble right?...lol
    This issue is, unfortunately, not something to laugh about. When a club is raided, very often the cops are not very discriminating in regard to gathering specific evidence about which dancer was doing what illegal act with which customer, or which dancer was using what drug in the dressing room. It is much easier for the cops to simply charge every dancer in the VIP room with prostitution or lewd conduct, and much easier for the cops to simply charge every dancer in the dressing room with drug possession, and then let the judge sort it out.

    Unfortunately, this puts every dancer in the club at the time of a bust at risk of being charged with something. True the charge may be totally bogus, but you're likely to be charged nonetheless. This means that you'll be hauled down to the police station, held in a holding cell overnight, and arraigned before a magistrate the next morning. At that time the magistrate will set bail. Providing that you have enough cash to pay it, or your clubowner agrees to pay it (providing of course that the court allows the clubowner to pay bail), you'll be freed until your trial date.

    At the time of your trial, you'll have the opportunity to go before a judge and jury whose knowledge of strip clubs comes almost exclusively from the Hollywood Stereotype, and try to make them believe that you are innocent of all charges even though a respected local cop said that you were guilty, and other dancers busted at the same time and place that you were have already pled guilty or copped a plea. When placed in the situation of the word of a cop versus the word of a stripper, 99.9% probability is that you'll be found guilty by those housewives, retirees and civil servants comprising your jury regardless of the actual truth of the situation.

    The only way that you can be reasonably sure that you'll be found innocent is if you can offer irrefutable proof of your innocence. This means showing the judge and jury club security tapes showing you maintaining proper distances from customers at all times while on stage or in the VIP room etc. Unfortunately, in 99.9 percent of clubs, such security tapes are not made or kept. Without this sort of positive proof, the housewives, retirees, bible thumpers etc on your jury are free to rely on the Hollywood Stereotype that strippers are whores, thieves and drug abusers, as well as to rely on the word of a cop who says you were doing "extras" in the VIP room, and find you guilty.

    I was involved in exactly this sort of situation, where I accepted an out of state gig and found myself having to work in a situation where other girls were "bending the laws" pretty extensively. However, I held the belief that if I myself wasn't doing anything wrong that I had nothing to fear ! WRONG. After a night in the county lockup, a bail hearing, posting $500 bail, a preliminary trial, and an appeal proceeding, requiring 2 extra trips back to that state at my own expense to appear in court, over $5,000 in attorney's fees, and 6 nights of lost dancing income while travelling and appearing in court instead of earning money, I was finally able to "prove" my innocence.

    Believe it that working in a club where blatantly illegal stuff is going on and where the likelihood of a bust is high exposes every dancer in that club to the risk of being busted. If/when you are busted, figure that you'll either have to come up with $5,000 plus out of your own pocket to "prove your innocence", or face accepting a plea bargain to avoid jail time which will leave you with a black mark on your permanent record.

    You cannot rely on the clubowner covering your butt either. Even if the clubowner agrees to pay bail, sometimes the court will not allow this if the club has also been charged such that dancers are accessories to the same offense. Also, accepting legal representation by the club's attorney puts you at risk of being used as a "pawn" in a larger legal game between the club and the D.A., where you may be talked into copping a plea in exchange for the club paying your bail, fine and legal fees (and of course they don't tell you that by dancers agreeing to plea bargains the D.A. is willing to drop charges against the club altogether!). While this allows you to avoid any jail time and having to pay any legal fees or fines yourself, it will also leave you with a guilty plea on your permanent record which can be extremely inconvenient in regard to future "straight world" employment prospects, in regard to obtaining a dancer's license in cities that require them etc.

    I wrote an article on this subject for another website, which can still be read at . The only significant change which has occurred since the time I wrote that article is that most courts discovered that by setting $250 bail that virtually every dancer could cover it. Thus today most jurisdictions have raised the bail requirement to $500 in the hopes that dancers won't have enough money in their purse when they are busted to make bail, and thus will wind up spending some extra time in the county lockup or be forced to call parents/friends to post bail for them if the clubowner won't (or isn't allowed to by the court).

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    Yup, what Melonie just said is true. I was waiting for her to respond to it because she has always said it... ALL the girls will get charged with it and its true about the jury. They will immediately think you are guilty, blah blah. So be very careful. Try to find another club or something. I know its a tough deal, but its better than getting into trouble for which you are not guilty of.

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    What's even more ironic about this situation is that busting clubs and dancers indescriminately only makes clubs "dirtier". The reason for this of course is that once girls have a black mark on their records, it really isn't any worse if they have 2 black marks or 10 black marks. This leads some girls to the conclusion that if they are going to be bogusly busted, that they might as well actually start doing some of the things that they will be busted for and earn big money in the meantime.

    Doubly ironic is the fact that, by actually doing 'dirtier' things in the club they ARE able to earn much more money so that the next time they are busted they can afford to hire a really good well connected criminal law attorney. A dancer who is actually guilty of providing "extras" for example, but who can afford a high powered locally connected attorney in her corner, will actually be LESS likely to ever have her case go to trial since the high powered attorney can pull strings on her behalf. On the other hand, a "legal" dancer who earns much less as a result will likely be charged with exactly the same offense as the "dirty" dancer, but will not be able to afford the high powered attorney and as such will actually be MORE likely to be found guilty !

    Remember that club busts usually have very little to do with a genuine desire to clean up the clubs. Instead, club busts are usually calculated to provide free publicity, political advantage and a favorable public image for local politicians up for re-election. Guess what - this is an election year !

    Also, the local legal system finds club busts of "dirty" dancers to be a very good source of income. In truth, once the club bust publicity hits the papers and the politicians get their brownie points, local governments would much rather see a dancer agree to pay a $1500 fine and plead guilty to jaywalking thanks to a high powered attorney's negotiations. Having to hold her overnight, having to furnish a public defender, having her case go to a jury trial (all of which create expenses for the police and court system), eventually being found guilty of prostitution, and then be fined $300 with a year's probation. If the dancer pleads innocent and goes to trial the local government and court have to spend thousands of dollars for her prosecution and trial costs, and they'd actually rather not go this route if it can be avoided (via a high powered attorney's string pulling). After all, the only thing that the cops and politicians were really after in the first place was headlines in the local newspaper, and they already got what they wanted the day after the bust !

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    Last night I showed up to work to discover two cruisers and 4 cops at the front door of my club, and I grudgingly walked in and paid my fees to work, wanting to know what the damn cops were doing there (besides screwing up business with their mere presence at the front door), but thinking I should be fine....

    I went on with my getting ready in the dressing room, paying close attention to what was being said. Found out some dayshift girl was apparently really dirty, getting finger-banged during dances and who knows what else, and she had the same stage name as a night girl I work with (who doesn't do any of that). Cops came in looking for a girl with that stage name, and apparently had to spend some time figuring out the night girl was not the same one who was doing the nasty for the undercover guy a couple days ago. I have heard that undercover cops visit regularly and that there are 8 girls going to court right now with charges related to dirty dancing. This makes me a bit paranoid. I know I don't do any of that nasty stuff, but like all the other girls there, I do some grinding and I'm really not sure if this will get me in trouble or not. Guess I better do some checking....

    I do know that lots of times they will take everyone present during a raid, often even girls in the dressing room who haven't even started working yet, just to pump up the arrest number for the papers. And this is the season (elections coming), so we all need to be careful.

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    Pan Dah,
    I think she mentioned she dances gogo, meaning bikini, there is liquor in those clubs. I am not too sure about the LE laws around my club. I think most clubs hear rumors that they will get raided and such, but so far it hasnt happened. In all honesty, I dont even know what would happen. Actually, I gave a cop a lap dance once, and although he wasnt from the area, he was very nice.
    I dont see anything illegal going on in my club, so I really cant comment. Although like in every club, there MAY be things we dont see, ya know? I dont know! Now ya got me all worried. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=7293;start=msg83104#msg8310 4 date=1078969252
    A dancer who is actually guilty of providing "extras" for example, but who can afford a high powered locally connected attorney in her corner, will actually be LESS likely to ever have her case go to trial since the high powered attorney can pull strings on her behalf.
    There are attorneys in Vegas who SPECIALIZE and exclusively take clients who have been busted for solicitation. Today I saw an attorney's ad in the yellow pages which had a girl in high heels, standing on the street, and headlights in the background. It said, "Been Busted for Solicitation?" or something to that effect. Makes me wonder.
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    wow.. thanks for all the stories and advice ladies... i'm scared... it really sucks that dancers have such a stigma... and we can be held accountable for things we don't do...i'm gonna start looking for a better club... and be very careful in the meantime...

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    Cops came in looking for a girl with that stage name, and apparently had to spend some time figuring out the night girl was not the same one who was doing the nasty for the undercover guy a couple days ago. I have heard that undercover cops visit regularly and that there are 8 girls going to court right now with charges related to dirty dancing. This makes me a bit paranoid.
    First of all, it's a good sign that your local cops are actually gathering specific evidence and charging specific girls. This would tend to indicate that if you personally don't break the law, your local cops aren't likely to simply sweep you up because you're there !

    I know I don't do any of that nasty stuff, but like all the other girls there, I do some grinding and I'm really not sure if this will get me in trouble or not. Guess I better do some checking....
    Well, this is the area where things can get dicey. Depending on how a local D.A. chooses to read state prostitution statutes, local ordinances etc. it's entirely possible that the "standard lap dance" done every night in your club for the past 10 years is actually illegal. Thus you may be at risk of being busted even though you are only doing what every other dancer has been doing for 10 years and which the local D.A. has never chosen to prosecute before. This is particularly likely if the local population takes a conservative turn for the worse in an election year, since club bust headlines create lots of political brownie points.

    In regard to options available to dancers where they can work in a "squeaky clean" club which is essentially bust-proof, but where there is also the earnings potential to make dancing worthwhile, these clubs are few and far between. In the tri-state area, you're basically only talking about clubs like Scores and PEC, which hire very few dancers and which are extremely selective about the dancers they do hire. This leaves the vast majority of area dancers who can't get hired in the "upper crust" clubs with a dilemma on their hands. If a dancer chooses to work "squeaky clean" in a club where other girls are doing "business as usual" they'll wind up earning WalMart wages once word gets around amongst club customers that this girl isn't providing the customers their "money's worth" in the private dance room. And if dancers choose to work "business as usual" like the other dancers in their club they can earn decent money but do face some risk of being busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidi link=board=27;threadid=7293;start=msg83050#msg8305 0 date=1078959667
    thanks a lot hon... i don't know if you'd call the club i work at "clean:... there's a lot of drugs and illegal things going on...well as long as i don't do anything wrong i can't get in trouble right?...lol

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    The last place I worked in was like that and I was told that if one person was caught for prostitution, we would all go to jail. I don't know if that was a fact, but the dancer I was talking with was somebody I really respect and think highly of and I'm pretty sure she knew what she was talking about. It freaked those of us out that weren't doing "extras" and there was rumor of a raid happening for many many months. They actually did get raided sometime after I left, although nobody was caught doing anything serious.....minor things like not being topless on the other side of the bar (the stage was in the middle).

    Kelly, that sounds terrifying....I am soooooo glad I was gone by the time it went down.

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    Our clubs get raided here in Washington state about once a year. Our laws are strict and in order to make a living, we break them all.
    I know quite a few girls that have been charged with prostitution, even though they were just breaking the 4ft law.... with clothes on!! WTF!!
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    A dancer who is actually guilty of providing "extras" for example, but who can afford a high powered locally connected attorney in her corner, will actually be LESS likely to ever have her case go to trial since the high powered attorney can pull strings on her behalf. On the other hand, a "legal" dancer who earns much less as a result will likely be charged with exactly the same offense as the "dirty" dancer, but will not be able to afford the high powered attorney and as such will actually be MORE likely to be found guilty !
    I disagree entirely. I work in las vegas and I do not do extras at all and I make good money. I have also worked in 9 other states and 40 clubs...and have not done extras and do just as well if not better then girls who do do extras.
    You are suggesting that girls who dont do extras have a lower income which is not true.

    In vegas vice are in the clubs frequently. I myself even got a ticket last October for "have my buttocks upon a patrons groin" said my ticket. But I was only sitting on his lap fully clothed and talking. Vice does not mess around in vegas. I have seen girls get tickets for NOTHING.

    I have never heard any Jersey horror stories and I worked there. But the clubs I worked in scanned customers for metal objects so badges went off when Cops came thru the door. Usually dancers are prewarned before vice comes into mess with them....



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    Quote Originally Posted by ToriBaltimore link=board=27;threadid=7293;start=msg83797#msg8379 7 date=1079152381
    But the clubs I worked in scanned customers for metal objects so badges went off when Cops came thru the door.
    If this is a reliable way of detecting whether or not cops are coming in just by having their badges set off metal detectors, well HELLS BELLS! How come all clubs aren't doing this and warning girls when the assholes come through the door?! I realize that at times clubowners make deals with local yocals to 'let' them bust a few girls now and then to make the conservative local screaming dipshits happy, but why even go for that? Why not shut the local screaming dipshits up by never having dancers busted, as a way of 'proving' that we're not automatically a bunch of whores just because we're strippers? Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! I get so riled sometimes thinking of all the dumbasses who equate stripping with whoring! To say nothing of all the moronic legal definitions of prostitution!!!

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    We have a metal detector where I work but for some reason I believe that cops are not subject to the same discrimination, as far as metal detection) as everyone else. This is where we must rely on management to alert us to their entry to the club.
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    I disagree entirely. I work in las vegas and I do not do extras at all and I make good money. I have also worked in 9 other states and 40 clubs...and have not done extras and do just as well if not better then girls who do do extras. You are suggesting that girls who dont do extras have a lower income which is not true.
    Tori, you are obviously one of those fortunate few dancers who has no problem getting hired in super upscale "show clubs" where it is indeed possible for dancers to earn beaucoup bucks without contact, and who has the "attributes" to easily convince guys to spend money on you without them expecting high mileage when you work in more 'average' clubs. As such, you are earning enough money so that, if the circumstances demanded it, you could pony up $5,000 out of your own pocket on a moment's notice to deal with a bogus bust carrying serious charges.

    However, unlike yourself and that small percentage of dancers who have the "attributes" to be hired in the super upscale "show clubs" and the stunning appearance and demeanor to have customers spend big time on you in more 'average' clubs without having to offer high contact, the vast majority of dancers are NOT in the same fortunate position that you are.

    For the vast majority of dancers, they do not 'measure up' to the hiring standards of the super upscale "show clubs" thus never get a crack at high rolling customers. The vast majority of dancers working in more 'average' clubs also have to compete heavily to convince guys to spend money on them, often against other dancers using high contact and 'extras' as a competitive tool. For these dancers, if they choose not to offer high contact and 'extras' while other girls in their club are, their earnings potential is definitely going to be negatively impacted as a result. It was these dancers that I was speaking about. These dancers. by and large, are NOT in a position to cough up $5,000 on a moment's notice to cover bail and a high powered private attorney. It is these girls who will be drawn into a club's offer to pay their bail and their fine if only they agree to cop a plea (which will leave a black mark on their permanent record) so that, unbeknownst to them, charges against the club will be dropped as part of a larger back room deal with the D.A.

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    Wow... I've heard about raids before, but these posts gave me a better perspective on things. I work in Houston where (most clubs) girls either must be licensed or wear full backs and latex. I remember getting raided once and (luckily) I was licensed at the time because the cops went around making sure the latex covered enough of the breast. It was late in the night, and the latex on many girls who'd been their a while began to peel- needlesstosay, many girls were taken to jail (in their dance clothes) just because the latex had peeled a little around the edges.

    I now work in a Houston club where licensing is not required. Some of the managers are former cops, so many of the raids are known before (or the managers friends warn them right before). Last monday, there were some girls taken to jail-- I wasn't working but I heard about it. What ticks me off is how the managers protect the VIP members and those dancers whoring for them, while leaving the girls who are doing a whole lot less to get sent to jail. We have a distance rule (I think 3 feet, I'm not sure) but it's never been enforced. We have rooms where we give dances and there's a small stage in each with tape specifying the proper distance. Usually when a raid comes, someone goes up stairs to tell everyone to get up on the stage, but those giving dances down stairs are skrewed.

    It saddens me how dancers are compared to street whores-- I'm just a college girl trying to save up for law school and am constantly fearing that my years working as a dancer will come back to haunt me. However, I would not be able to afford school while still maintaining straight A's if I didn't dance. The little humor I get from the hostility from housewives and bible thumpers is that their husbands probably spend half their income in strip clubs- with a wife that uptight, they probably long for a little attention from beautiful women.

    I'll start law school next year- so I'll graduate in 2008. When I do, I'll give cheap legal council to any dancer who needs it.

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    Sarah, where do you work??

    Your Houston observation makes so much sense. In most of the clubs I've been to, very little lap dancing occurs at the tables around main stage. Most laps are done in the dark corner tables and couches...where its easier to hide high contact, and VIP of course. Thus, when cops come in, if they see a girl giving a contact dance on the floor, she is more likely to be busted, while there is time for someone to go into VIP and warn everyone...

    Because of this, its more desirable for dancer/patron to go into VIP/dark corner because it is more hidden and we have a vantage point to see if there is a bust starting....but also those dark corners/VIP booths where it is hard to be caught make it easier for the patrons to pressure the girls for extra work....and of course the dancer will be arrested if caught, so we are basically screwed. But most local men will not accept a dance from me unless we can go somewhere away from everyone so he can get the contact he wants....

    This is totally different in Austin, and during Superbowl in HTown because of all the Northerners. Medium contact dances take place on the floor all the time in Austin. They aren't VIP money, but they are nice, and you can just work the floor one after another....I do some of these in Houston for young guys on the weekend when the place is really packed....but never during the week.....

    Also, when I am giving a dance on the floor where everyone can see, management bitches me out for it, and tells me I need to get off the main floor to do dances or to be very careful....if there are no private booths available and the guy doesn't want VIP....I am screwed once again....

    Its really pretty ridiculous and just opens the door for whoring in and out of the club, thus giving Houston a bad rep, thus increasing chances of morality busts, thus increasing our chances of going to jail for nothing......damned if ya do, damned if ya don't......

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    The only thing I have seen management do where I work in Houston is make sure no one is horizontal. Literally. Anything that resembles lying down, and management is right there telling whoever it is not to do that. Girls can blatantly blow guys in VIP but if you lean back on the couch a little too far they will say not to do that.

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    I am just catching up to this article and Melonie brought up a point that is often overlooked by many girls- using the club's lawyer. If you get a ticket at most clubs, and its a pretty decent club, the club has its own lawyer who will take care of it for you and the club tells you not to go to court and not to pay it and let them handle it. Usually, the club lawyer simply gets it dismissed and girls assume that thats the end of it. Don't go for the okey doke with these club lawyers and what not because they leave stuff out. I am not saying that the club lawyer is not effective or don't use them at all, but once your ticket is dismissed you need to get in touch with him yourself and find out if your ticket can be dismissed with costs or get another lawyer, to have it expunged with costs so that you won't have problems later.


    The club lawyers here don't tell girls that if you get a misdemeanor contact, pornographic conduct(or whatever your local LE likes to write) ticket dismissed, but without costs or dismissed and not expunged with costs, when the DA gets ready to shut down another club or sexually oriented business such as a massage parlor or whatever, they can bring your charges back up against you and lump you in with all these other people who have nothing to do with you and more likely than not you will be guilty second time around. Also, you now need a lawyer of your own b/c the club lawyer can't help you b/c he did what he was supposed to and you are now on your own. Most dismissals are done for lack of evidence/technicalities rather than innocence b/c it makes the DAs job easier and keeps the docket flowing.

    I have been lucky enough to avoid a ticket in a place where you figure you'll average one a year because of local politics, but I have found a good lawyer who has been doing criminal defense for years and has actually defended entertainers and celebs before so he understands the business. If I have to explain that I was hanging upside down on the pole and removing my top when I got a ticket that claimed x,y,z, he is asking all the right questions instead of being stuck on the fact that I was upside down and undressing myself.

    Every dancer, in a city that has routine politically based busts, needs a lawyer who is familiar with our profession and how things really work in your particular political climate. The money you spend to put him/her on retainer will be nothing compared to how you'll feel if you're taken to jail for nothing and have never spoken to anyone and have to go to jail first thing in the morning and don't know what to do when you walk into court.
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