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    Default PORNOGRAPHY vs. PROSTITUTION

    I just wanted to know everybodys view on this.

    I was talking to my best friend about this guy I met that wanted me to be in porn. I've been kind of avoiding him like the plague though...he's weird. Anywho, she is a devout Christian and a virgin (maybe she wasn't the right one to ask, but she's also my best friend so...).

    She's accepted the fact that I dance, but when I told her about this she was very upset. She told me that all a porn star is is a highly paid prostitute on film. Of course, I don't agree with her, but she got me to thinking... what is the difference between a prostitute and a pornstar other than one is (mostly) illegal and the other is filmed?

    I know some girls that trick, and they're not filthy streetwalkers like some people portray them to be. One of the girls is using that money to pay her way through law school. To me, prostitution is a victimless crime...but why is it a crime??

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    Default Re:PORNOGRAPHY vs. PROSTITUTION

    Porn stars aren't that far off from highly paid escorts. They both get paid for having sex. One is on camera, one is not (as far as they know). So if the definition of prostitution is one who has sex for money, then porn stars qualify. Why is it that girls who have sex on camera for money are idolized but girls who have sex in private for money are looked down upon???

    I know a lot of escorts who refer to themselves as a "courtisan," which is a prostitute who has a high class clientele. Neither courtisans or porn stars are in the same league as street-walking $50 ho's that most people tag as prostitutes.

    So, what IS the crime done in either situation? None. It is a victimless crime. It IS the oldest profession and it will always exist. As long as you don't let it destroy you inside. You must be a very strong person to do that kind of work and not let it ruin you.

    If you are considering porn as a way to get someplace you want to be, just remember that there will be EVIDENCE of your current activities for the rest of your life. Unless you plan to remain in the sex industry for the bulk of your youth, don't do it. If it is moral issues that concern you, as long as you are not bothered by it, do what you will. You only have yourself to answer to.
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    I don't see a difference, except whendoing porn your ass is covered by an agency, so you can get your pay and not a bust.

    They are one and the same, sex for money. Intercourse, usually bareback. Yikes!

    Think long and hard about this. If you want to go into porn, you may be out soon, i hear the money is not worth your health risks. Long hours, and a very open mind is what you would have to give along with the sex.

    I dunno, even if you do porn and a guy wears a condom. Lets say you do 3 shoots a week for a year, chances are with hard thrusting, and different positions, a condom will tear. They are not great for protection when it comes to hardcore sex.

    Being called a prostitute i could handle, Been called worse...Lol. But my safety (sexual health) comes first. That would be my main concern.

    Pamela

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    There isn't really a difference. Actually in California prostitution is "legal" if it is taped. As in, "oh, officer, I wasn't turning tricks I was participating in a low budget film," and some of the call girls actually carry a camcorder around with them and have their clientele sign something saying they are contracting her porformance in a video that may contain sexual acts, or something.

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    SkoolGal- I hope you have thoroughly read & digested
    what the ladies above have had to say. Both escorting & doing porn are HARD WORK in every sense of the term. Don't be fooled by the "happy talk" of a Jenna
    Jameson (nothing against Jenna but her experience
    & treatment in the porn biz is atypical). With the exception of about 20 "contract girls" and a few
    high-priced independents- the pay for porn scenes is
    roughly equivalent to escort work. $500 to $1500 per
    day or per scene-escorts generally get $300 to $1000
    per hour.
    Have some women found success in these fields w/o
    any lasting damage to themselves-Sure; but I'd dare
    say for every one of them there's at least one who
    never should have tried it.
    Remember something else- female porn stars don't last.
    They usually burn out and leave after 2 or 3 years. A
    few, a very few like Jenna, Jill Kelly, Asia Carrera stay
    around for 10 yrs. or more.
    And the days of getting a few porn credits to boost
    your fee for feature dancing are starting to fade.Most
    features don't get paid as much as they used to &
    fewer clubs have features on a regular basis than 10 yrs. ago.
    Lastly, guess what a lot of porn gals do on the side
    for extra money? They work as ESCORTS- Body Miracle
    and Exotica2000 are the two biggest agencies for this.
    Bottom line- it's all sex for money.Before seriously
    considering it- Ask,Read, Learn,Think and Think some more.

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    I am about to buy Traci Lords book, " Underneath it all." Should make for some good reading. She went in underage, and was found out. I think this women would tell how life for her was inside porn honestly.

    Pamela

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    Yes but with a big "BUT"- Traci Lords has become
    famous for blaming everyone but herself for her porn
    biz experiences. Yes, she was underage and what
    happened with her caused All the producers & film
    companies to tighten up & make sure there were no
    underage performers- no doubt a positive corollary
    benefit. Nonetheless, I'd take what she has to say
    with a grain of salt. She's been away from the porn biz
    for over FIFTEEN (15) YEARS!!!

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    Pamela-
    Anything Traci Lords may have in that book refers back to the porn industry many, many years ago.. even prior to the internet porn explosion. The dynamic has changed dramatically since her days in the industry, as The_Kid stated- over 15 years.

    Alternatively, you'd be surprised how many VCA/Avid contract women are doing the stripclub rounds these days. I have yet to find one that wasn't totally happy to sit down and give their perspective on the industry after hours. Keep your eyes peeled on local club features! Candid horse's mouth is SOO much more reliable than someone trying to sell books heh.

    SkoolGal-
    Both are sex for dinero, but porn can be more dangerous, less $$ and also gives away a LOT of control unless the porn outfit is self-owned/self-managed.

    The bottom line is- STD testing has proven itself unreliable as people can become infected and spread STD's up to 30-60 days prior to them being indicated by testing. A week is far too long in the porn industry, and many of the smaller outfits still insist or price based on bareback (no condom). The bigger outfits (most in LA) that have good payscale, contractual workload, and safe policies are very selective so only the smallest portion can get contracts with them. Everyone else is left to low dollar, more demanding, and less convenient smaller outfits with schedule stability varying wildly. They might have 10-15 scenes one week, then none for 2 weeks, etc.etc.

    Prostitutes are pretty much self-employed if they avoid the agency route. They pick their calendar, they screen customers, they dictate what they will do and can demand only the safest routes they feel comfortable with. Obviously, there really is no such thing as "safe sex" anymore, but prostitutes can work totally on the safest route possible and define who they see. Obviously, there are higher risks with personal safety, but this can be financed through proper security (i.e. driver, next-door suite with bouncer, etc.etc.)
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    Don't count on porn as being some big, glamorous money for you. I think most of those girls get fucked in some dingy motel room for 200-400 bucks. Same as an escort. Only a few make the big dollars, as there are a million girls out there willing to work for cheap, and the same goes for escorts.

    Unless you kind find an agency which will give you steady work for loads of cash, you're probably better off just dancing. No STD's to worry about, and the money is the same.

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    Mariah & Polecat are both on the money. I would not
    reccomend doing either but of the two, escorting permits you to have more control; esspecially if you're
    independent.

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    For Any Of You Ladies thinking about doing PORN- I
    very much hope you are up on your current events.
    At present the WHOLE industry has temporarily shut down until ALL performers update their HIV test status.
    Darren James and Lara Roxx recently tested HIV positive
    but not before each worked with as many as a dozen
    other performers; each one of whom had sex with who knows how many other people.
    This latest nightmare grew out of a shoot in Brazil
    where apparently they are far too lax in testing and
    practicing "safe sex" i.e. use of latex condoms.In addition there has been far too much (IMO) "extreme"
    or "nasty" porn where there is no restraint;no limits
    etc. and where unsafe sex is the rule; not the exception.
    AIDS is a horror I do not want to see visited on anyone-
    well maybe Saddam, Osama and in a real angry moment
    Mr. Asscroft ( can't stand that putz)- BUT maybe this will
    serve as a necessary wake-up call and braking
    mechanism for an industry that could use both.
    I have nothing against porn or doing porn or watching
    porn BUT I could never understand why more
    performers did not INSIST on safe-sex with certified
    HIV negative partners.
    Just another reason not to do this sort of thing unless
    and until you have completely thought it through.

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    Aside from AIDS, what about other more common illnesses that I would think come out of hardcore porn scenes?

    For instance, I've been quite a bit of porn where a woman has to give head after anal sex. Even with cleansing, it would be so easy to get a fatal staph infection from an act like that, or hepatitis at minimum. I don't know the details, I just think that other illnesses are underreported and much more common than HIV infection, yet just as deadly!!!!

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    yeah i think that is soooooo gross. if there is a cut scene first thats ok, but when its streaming, ewwwwwww... i useually dont even watch those parts... the other day i saw one (extreeme teens or something), every sence had regular, anal, and oral in it, plus some cheesy setup. one of the girls had this total look of discust when he pulled out of her ass and told her to suck it, but for some reason she did it anyway....

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    Katrine- ATM aka Ass To Mouth is exactly the sort of thing I was referring to. To me it's disgusting and
    grotesquely unhygenic. This is exactly the sort of thing
    that "extreme porn" has descended to along with
    fisting, "gang bangs"; double insertions in the same
    orifice and the like. One problem is that many performers are active in both the "extreme" films and
    more "mainstream" stuff where the standards are higher and practices safer.
    Common sense alone ought to make condom usage
    and WEEKLY testing mandatory. We'll see.

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    Kid,
    I know that much of this extreme porn is shot in Eastern Europe, namely Czech Republic and Hungary, using native girls. How are testing standards over there, pretty poor I am sure.......

    If they require the weekly tests/all condoms, I have no doubt that the industry will find willing unsafe participants elsewhere.....this movement into the extreme seems to be becoming a zero-sum game. Once a person is initiated into such hardcore sex, either as a participant or a spectator, its nearly impossible to return to vanilla. Thus, participants have to keep increasing the hardcore nature of their sex scenes, and spectators will demand increasing danger and violence in the porn their are buying......resulting in...I dunno....Soddam and Gommorah....

    Trying to predict the possible outcomes really frightens me....

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    I have no disrespect for prostitutes as a whole. They provide a service that may prevent rapes and assault to women who are unwilling. The line of decency is far to fuzzy for me.

    I must say, I see very little difference. there are some, such as having the agency pay you and not the john. And you can't just wave the john away if you don't feel like fucking him. The taping is another difference. You lose a bit of your anonymity. You are peddling your service for mass distribution. It is entirely your choice. Know exactly what you are getting into before you do it. If you feel like your psyche will survive and everything is to your liking after you know the facts, the decision is solely yours to make.
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    Katrine- You are 100% correct. The Czech Republic,
    Hungary, Costa Rica & Brazil are popular because they are cheaper for the producers AND are much more lax about safety issues. Another problem is that some of
    the "extreme" stuff has seeped into mainstream porn.
    Vivid has their own line for it- Vivid Extreme. The problem is a lot of performers do both.

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    Lena - that is NOT true. I was in porn for 2 years. It is NOT legas to say "officer i was doing a film" because you need PERMITS to film adult videos. Ive been on plenty of sets where the cops came to the door to check permits. If you dont have them everyone can go to jail.

    Another difference (with the light of the HIV thingy doesnt seem too real) is that everyone is SUPPOSED to be PCR-DNA HIV1 tested by AIM Healthcare every 30 days. this HIV thing going on is because someone either worked without a test in Brazil OR someone worked with someone who had an Elisa HIV test which is different.

    Im not condoning porn.. Id say dont do it - it never goes away. I made a TON of money and spent it all... i have nothing to show for it and wish i never made the decision to do it.

    I still do nude modeling which I wouldnt/dont mind people knowing about but the video is a whole different thing.

    Just my $0.02

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    are you sure that you have to have permits everywhere? or is that just where you were?

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    Audrey...I love your note.

    one perspective I see is: If you do do porn, make sure you save your money so you can retire early and not need to look for a job with an interviewer who "enjoyed your other work:

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    I agree with the zero-sum game theory. Porn seems to have gotten to a point of no return with the most disgusting and sometimes violent films being the most requested.

    Have any of you seen the PrimeTime (I think) special on porn? Dr. Koop was on explaining that since PETA came along it is totally accurate to say that cockroaches (!!!) are treated better and with more regard for their health and safety when they are in a film than adult film actors are treated. It's true. It's very easy to violate young, naive and willing girls in every way.

    I have been to the AIM website, but I wonder what I can do as a consumer, a former sex worker and a woman to change this attitude in porn. I can't get off when I know how cruel and thoughtless the industry can be. I know I could stop buying the freaky porn, but since I don't already, nobody will miss my money. Is there anything else I can do? An organization I could support? Anything?

    I love a good dirty movie but not if I know it's destroying somebody's life.

    Oh, and another note: I think the average porn career is only 18 months unless you are a big star or a man.

    Wait, one more (sorry, really ) Remember that your daddy, uncle, church deacon, kids teacher can see you having sex within weeks of the shoot and FOREVER after. My dad found nude photos of me on the internet. Not only was that a horrible conversation to have, but he thought it almost literally killed him.

    Take care of YOU!!

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    Does not matter if you come from Europe or the US, what gets my goat is you DO get tested in Sweden anyway as you do over here, BUT.....these people ride bareback, and get tested every 3 to 6 months or so. Know how long it can take to show a positive HIV result?

    Crazy. Wear condoms in these movies, and at least the chances are better that you can walk away healthy when you are done. Right?

    This whole testing thing is messed up. Once you have it, you have it, and your partner gets it.....

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