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    With all this talk about extras and what wome do/don't for money, i had to tell you all that (and some already know who i speak with) i do private parties. Divorce, corporate etc. Anyway i have worked the clubs it seems like forever, i NEVER took a customer outside the club, and held my head high as a "clean" dancer. I had respect for all others in the clubs.

    I am in Florida, yep alot goes on around here. I perform kinda what the average person would call a solo sex show in private. I grind...yes, the man has to have a condom on, and soft shorts/pants. I guess alot would call this extras, or ?my" high mileage. That's fine.

    I am not taking anyones customers. But i don't just dance. Dildo shows make great money! As does body shots, off my belly. The guys do not screw me or touch my vagina and boobs.

    If a man want's he is more than welcome to jack off away from me. They usually sit on a chair several feet away. Also guys get excited, so a condom over the penis is protection, i am nude.

    I Like to please them as much as i can with out sexual contact. This works for me and them. I am reading alot about grinding, and the extras, so i thought i would clear up to you all what i do at private parties.

    Again, i would never do this in a club, never.

    Pamela

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    i'm glad to hear that Pamela. There is a lot of talk of extras and I'm sure it will ruin the biz. It's already blurring the line already. Stripper is almost always becoming synonymous with prostitute these days. I think a straight message to clear up the issue is worthwhile every now and again.
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    Pam you arent a threat to dancers because you arent doing what your doing in a club. Good for you, your making money AND whenever you want to do it. Thats excellent. Hell, the only ones who annoy me are the ones who do WORSE things while at work, thus putting the other girls at a risk for low a low money night.
    Keep up the good work!

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    Nice topic Pamela

    I dance in clubs and in private shows. I am rather mercenary (obviously) because I will leave the club with clients if I think there is good money there. But I bring clients in the club too, so I consider it an even trade.

    There are times when it isn't an even trade but I don't much care. When other girls are doing everyone in the club or just bending the rules beyond my boundaries or the club is really dead I have no problem short circuiting the process to make my money.

    I have lightened up a lot over the years. I will grind lightly now but for the first two years I never made contact with a clients crotch. No grinding, at all.

    Thats because I started in such a strict environment and we were constantly warned to adhere to the rules. It was made crystal clear to us if one girl got caught then everyone suffered because if the agency got too many violations in a year they would be shut down. The lawyer for the agency told us girls that if we put the agency out of business that would be a lot of people out of work and a lot of enemies for the offender.

    In that environment I learned how important LE is. If the cops don't keep those guys in line they will have the girls getting tag teamed in the lobby. If LE is strict girls don't have to do too much to make money.

    Now I see that dancers in other states routinely perform for $20 bucks what would be a prostitution offense in Utah. An offense that, at one time, I would not perform for any price because 1. it would be on my record as a sex offense; 2. I would get a 5,000 fine; and 3. I would the lose my license which wasn't cheap and which was my income source.

    On many many night I had to explain this to persistent customers who just could not understand that escort does not equal sex ...just like I do in the SC. But there are many big spending puppydogs too... same as in the SC. And the ones who whine and bitch for more are usually the guys with no money ...just like the SC.

    I think it's funny that Escort is a euphemism for Prostitute when an escort is no more a guarantee of sex than a stripper. In some places probably less of a guarantee *cough* San Francisco *cough* because I don't know any escorts who will get naked and blow a guy for $50 but apparently it happens regularly in SF.

    My rules now:

    I don't let guys put on condoms or even have them out. If I come in the room and the guy has rubbers out I will laugh and tell them they won't need them. I think it gives the wrong impression.

    No jizzing on me

    No touching my cookie, no hand jobs, no blow jobs, no sex.

    He can touch and lick my breasts and nipples. See I'm not all good! BTW this is something I never allow in the club.

    I will grind nude if he is dressed. Once he takes off his pants...no more grinding even if he has his shorts on. Costume change! Come out in bootie shorts!

    The Secret: the only person who really cares what I do is me and I care A LOT. I think it really is up to the girl to decide what she wants and to get it instead of sliding/falling into something nasty because "she doesn't have a choice."

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    No one should ever feel guilty or wrongful if what they are doing is within the limits of what they feel comfortable, is safe to their person and the people around them, and they at least somewhat enjoy what they are doing. Those are pretty much my ground rules for condoning things versus condemnation. lol.

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    What all the dancers who complain about the extras girls cutting into their income dont realize is that they are completely wrong. heres why:

    You dont have a problem with guys seeing prostitutes outside of the club("that doesn't impact our income") but you have a problem with them seeing them inside the club. I can understand your concern when you say, that it increases the chance of you losing your job due to raids, but thats your only potential loss of income.

    THE GUY IN QUESTION DOES NOT WANT YOUR NON-EXTRAS DANCES. he will therefore not be spending his money on you regardless of wether or not someone is performing extras in your club. if you're not performing them, he's not gonna spend on you. therefore, you can't say that the money he spent on the extras girl could've been yours if she wasn't cheating/giving extras.

    besides, if the extra-seeking guy did spend money on you, you'd be pissed off by him and his handsiness and constant attempts to get extras.

    you aren't providing the services that some customers are seeking, therefore they will go elsewhere to get them.

    you have the right to complain if you think the extras will get your club shut down, otherwise, remember what i've said. As melanie has stated before, soon enough most clubs in the US will be brothel type establishments. there will be several show clubs. it appears that a large majority of the girls on here have the mentality of the showclub girls. (you think its art and its about appreciating your beauty.) for some you may be able to get away with this in the coming years. Lets hope you were born with the genetics desired by the rich business types that are just looking for a pretty smile and some company. For the rest of you, if you wish to continue danceing, "extras" will be the only option.

    I'm gonna open up this bag(sometimes it hurts being so smart and right all the time, so be it). Dancers are prostitutes. doesn't matter if you air dance, or give head. its still prostitution. but you know what.....THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PROSTITUTION. i dont mean that in a derogatory way. its just another profession like carpenter or lawyer as far as im concerned.

    reason im bringing this up is you have to realize. guys who go to the SC or a brothel or a street corner are looking for prostitutes. different guys are looking for different things. some guys(as mentioned the upscale "classy" guys) just are looking for company and maybe some nice eye candy. A lot of guys are looking for more, including sexual acts.

    prostitution is a business that provides a sexual service to its consumers. the majority of the consumers are men. the old adage is that men only care about sex/all men ever want is sex. its not, all men ever want to do is look at a pretty woman. no, they want to insert their penis in one of her orifaces.

    So, dont get mad at the "extras girls" for actually supplying a product that the market is demanding.

    Itd be like if you owned a hamburger joint and sold burgers containing 75% beef and 25% pencil shavings, then complaining that people are going to your competitors joint which serves 100% beef(what the customers want), just because you dont want to serve 100% beef patties.

    you can attack my post all you want. it doesn't matter to me. im just trying to open up your eyes. attacking me isn't going to get rid of the extras from your club. its not going to stop the progression towards legalized prostitution and its not going to stop you from going out of business from providing a service in high supply(a naked girl, giving no extras) to a market which is constantly lowering and lowering its demand for said service.

    you probably think you've got me caught on one of my earlier statements. i claimed that a guy who wants extras doesn't spend his money on you. yet im saying that in the future, when all prostitution is legalized you'll lose income from customers abondoning you. here is the reason. there are a large group of extras-craving guys who do not want to get into legal trouble. these are the extras guys who spend on you know(probably most of your customers), who will leave you when they are in no harm themselves from prostitution laws.


    addendum: also, i forget who had stated this before, but escort agencies really can't be trusted. they get away with their unethical advertisting tactics for a couple of reasons9and because of their tactics this drives extras guys into the clubs). One, in most places prostitution is illegal. therefore they are operating on the black market. Customer who want sex have two choices, gauranteed sex through the escort agency or attempt to find an extras girl. atleast if the guy goes into the SC he sees what he gets. calling up an escort is a blind leap of faith move. (i realize im sort of jumping between two points here). so, thats why guys looking for extras often end up in SCs.

    In a legal business if someone doesn't provide the service/product they promised, you can take them to court. however, you can't sue the escort agency because the girl that you paid for was supposed to be 110 pounds, but showed up weighing in at just under Shamu. also, even if you could sue them, many guys wouldn't want to hurt their supposed reputations. Itd be too embarrassing for many guys to end up in court suing an escort agency for false advertising. legalized prostitution in all forms would also mean the end of the success of escorting services. however, i have a feeling many of them would adapt better to the change than many of the girls here.

    i hope you realize, im not trying to get any of you to perform extras. i couldn't care less wether or not you blow me or any other guy. just stop bashing the extras girls and claiming they're stealing YOUR money. all thats costing you money is your morals. Should you choose to not perform extras, great, good for you for choosing your line and not crossing it. but its time you respected others decisions.

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    Thanks all! i know this may sound redundant, i just wanted to express some sexual behaviour i would do outside the clubs, that i would not do inside. I was one of those club dancers who could not stand the ld's with the grinding when this was not allowed. Gosh i HATED doing ld's and did not do them for years!!!!

    Being on my own just lets me explore more of my sexual being. I have my limits, and what i posted above are it. I can't have sex, that is not me, but i will grind and perform sex shows. Alone of course.

    I know the guys can't help it at times, so i figure let them have some control and not feel like fools if they cum. Wear a condom if you want a high contact ld.

    So being a dancer and doing a tad more than dancing makes me feel powerful! May sound strange...i know. Not to mention the money, it's pretty good with no house fee and tipouts!

    Anyway, i read sooo much about all the "extras" going around, and i know this is mainly focused on club dancing.

    Just wanted to share my "dancing outside of clubs" life as it is now.

    After this i may jump down to the "flower woman"!

    Ok.. i need to update, (just saw Sanders post jump in while i was typing, excellent point)! It has been mentioned many topics ago, these "extras" are moving in the clubs BIG time. So, i figure move out and do my own dancing! I will not get busted because of another dancer, but if i get busted it will be because of ME.

    The decision was long overdue for me.

    Pamela


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    Sandy.......sheath theyself in your flame proof armour with a quickness!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83651#msg83651 date=1079125807
    What all the dancers who complain about the extras girls cutting into their income dont realize is that they are completely wrong...

    I think girls who provide sex glut the market and lower the price for girls who don't. The less sex THEY have, the more money I make...the more sex THEY have, the less money I make.

    THE GUY IN QUESTION DOES NOT WANT YOUR NON-EXTRAS DANCES. he will therefore not be spending his money on you regardless of wether or not someone is performing extras in your club...
    He will if he has no other choices. Trust me. He will. Anyway, as you note later in your post, you defeat your own arguement by claiming all men want sex here:

    the majority of the consumers are men. the old adage is that men only care about sex/all men ever want is sex. its not, all men ever want to do is look at a pretty woman. no, they want to insert their penis in one of her orifaces.
    and then claiming he will not pay for non-extras dances, while men everywhere are paying for non-extra's dances!

    you aren't providing the services that some customers are seeking, therefore they will go elsewhere to get them.
    Good. In Utah I suggest State St and around 7th South, or North Temple on the west side. But be careful because there are a lot of HIV infected ho's and crack ho's and pimps with knives and guns, and undercover cops and informants and bums and big tribes of roving transients, and the ever so dreaded RIP OFF....lol. Have fun!

    For the rest of you, if you wish to continue danceing, "extras" will be the only option....
    Oh you wish. I see our country swinging ever further to the right, toward family values and christian fundamentalism.

    Dancers are prostitutes...
    Again YOU WISH!

    Prostitute: 1 : to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money

    It's called a dictionary. Stop jacking off long enough to use one.

    its just another profession like carpenter or lawyer as far as im concerned.
    yeah it's the same ...except that carpenters and lawyers don't get beat up, or get HIV, or get fined and jailed for plying their trade.

    So, dont get mad at the "extras girls" for actually supplying a product that the market is demanding.
    I don't get mad. I get even.

    Itd be like if you owned a hamburger joint and sold burgers containing 75% beef and 25% pencil shavings, then complaining that people are going to your competitors joint which serves 100% beef(what the customers want), just because you dont want to serve 100% beef patties.
    You are the reason smart people discourage arguing by analogy.

    you can attack my post all you want.
    Done.

    it doesn't matter to me.
    You would be disappointed otherwise.. I know, I know.

    im just trying to open up your eyes.
    And our legs

    attacking me isn't going to get rid of the extras from your club.
    Attacking the extra's girls WILL get them out of the club though.

    its not going to stop the progression towards legalized prostitution
    That's what vice cops, republicans, housewives, religious conservatives and congressmen are for.

    and its not going to stop you from going out of business from providing a service in high supply(a naked girl, giving no extras) to a market which is constantly lowering and lowering its demand for.
    Just depends on where you are. The essence of business is taking a product that is in high supply in one place and transporting it to a place where that product is in low supply, thereby charging a premium.

    in the future, when all prostitution is legalized you'll lose income from customers abondoning you. here is the reason. there are a large group of extras-craving guys who do not want to get into legal trouble. these are the extras guys who spend on you know(probably most of your customers), who will leave you when they are in no harm themselves from prostitution.
    Riiight. Enjoy your little dream son. It's never going to happen.
    You get what you put up with

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    i hate cliches...but here goes. ignorance is bliss, and as im learning, so is foresight.

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    Damn she's good!

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    Well Sandy-

    San Francisco proves your argument wrong simply by the fact that it offers both full brothel-style sex clubs, as well as traditional stripclubs.

    People armed with that knowledge still make their decisions based on what kind of entertainment they wish. Some guys want to sit, nurse a beer and have pretty eye-candy/companionship, others are married or have an SO and don't want to do anything that could be considered "cheating", some are sanitary freaks and don't want to risk catching STD's... others simply want to pick out a woman and have full on sex then go home.

    The problem is- in the traditional stripclubs, a woman performing extras there is out of her element and raises expectations by visitors to that particular club. That's basically what it boils down to.

    Dancers choose clubs based on contact rules versus their personal boundries and what they feel comfortable with. If someone comes into that model with a different level of contact (i.e. higher), then customers that have been with that particular dancer now have a higher expectation level for that particular club. This is what screws other dancers and adds pressure to raise the level in order to compete.

    I have yet to find a stripper at a traditional stripclub that loathes or has any negative feelings towards the women working at nearby sex-clubs. In my city's case, they can be 2-3 blocks apart. But if one of the extras women starts working at their club and starts doing sex in VIP/Champagne room, it's a totally different story because it's just created expectations beyond the appropriate house rules. It's not appreciated by the dancers OR the customers. Customers going to the non-sex clubs when sex clubs exist a block away mainly don't want to be pressured, and they surely dont want the stigma associated behind it for whatever reason if word got out stripclub XYZ suddenly has full-on sex for sale and that's where they go.

    This is the same reason why someone like Pamela, regardless of what she offers, wont see animosity here. She's not raising the contact level for any particular club. She's not modifying the job level for other women at some established locale.

    And lastly, no- all strippers are NOT prostitutes. Strippers are sex-workers. Big difference. What do you call nude-burlesque or go-go dancers? They barely even fall into "sex worker" since it's more au'natural stage performance.
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    Well dancing is not prostitution, that's for sure, but i see the fine line that many will argue.

    Bottom line, more and more Dancers are performing sex of many degrees in the clubs. I hit my area, and south Florida yet again to see the ever changing "more bang for the buck."

    I am very upset that the clubs i went to 10 years ago, have turned this way, and it don't/wont stop. These dancers bring in money! The club only gets a slap on the wrist (you know turn the cheek, i did not se that bitch.crap) while alot of "clean" dancers have to clear their names. It sucks.

    I was told a friend on here the other night i went to a new club in my area, Club Goddess...What a major fuck up. Girl on girl shows, nude and humping!!!! WTF? Of course the longest kisser won a prize. BS.

    Clubs in my area ARE getting worse, you can not compete with a dancer who offers more "motion" for the same price as you. It will not work.

    I am NOT saying all customers will go for this type of action.

    Want the freedom to perform a little more open? Go it alone. Have some respect for the other dancers, and customers who don't play that game.

    Pamela




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    Honestly i was tired of working around the shit, so i took it out of the clubs. I can grind for a friggin hour if i want, and it feels nice not to compete with the others sucking cock.

    I have my limits and i play safe.

    Pamela

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    I have to say I agree with much of Vanilla's last post. And I know from personal experience on both sides of the fence since I've worked at MBOT
    ( something I am ashamed to admit however) back when I using and I did some CHJ's. I never took it further thankgod and when I got straight I saw things from the other side.
    Prostitution DOES NOT belong in stripclubs~ it puts way too many innocent people at risk of losing their jobs, businesses not mention arrests.
    To do or buy extras in a club is selfish and heartless. There are alternatives to it that put only the people directly involved at any risk such as escorts and to use the excuse of a not wanting to take "blind leap of faith" as Sanderson put it with escorts,doesn't cut it either. If you want to be sure what you are going to get then hit the nearest ho stroll or take a cheap flight out to one of the NV ranches or even take the time to research profiles with pics on independant escort sites. Use the peephole in the door and if it isn't the girl you ordered don't answer the door. Whats so darn difficult in that

    Again as someone whose had experience on both sides of the fence I should know ~there are plenty of customers who will buy no extras dances , hell there are plenty of customers who will buy no contact dances

    Its alot easier to earn money grinding but a dancer doesnt even have to do contact if she doesn't want to~ they are lots of clubs in the US with lots of diffent dance style options that don't cross that "legal" line.

    I think prostitution should be legal everywhere in the states, as it would make it safer for all involved but I don't see that happening in my lifetime and until it becomes legal it doesn't belong in clubs despite what extras guys think or want.

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    I personally dont have a problem with the extra giving girls in the clubs.
    I think what makes you money is what you have to say. If you can upsell yourself to a man that wants extras but make him see that you are worth the cash even tho you arent willing to do extras then your doing your job.
    I think to many times ....girls like to blame the fact that the reason they arent making money is because of the "nasty girls" ...instead of blaming it on their negative attitudes.
    I think both Sandy and Vanilla sky had valid points.....
    I dont belive all dancers are prostitutes .....but in a sence we do all fuck our customers. Whether its physically or by the mind.
    I dont believe attacking the girls giving extras is going to do anything at all. I have no qualms with "extra givers" or prostitues........I think however women are comfortable making their money is up to them.
    Whatever guideline each dancer sets up for herself is for her and her own mentality and no one will have to answer to is BUT HER....
    Then again ...we all have an opinion



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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83651#msg83651 date=1079125807
    What all the dancers who complain about the extras girls cutting into their income dont realize is that they are completely wrong. heres why:

    You dont have a problem with guys seeing prostitutes outside of the club("that doesn't impact our income") but you have a problem with them seeing them inside the club. I can understand your concern when you say, that it increases the chance of you losing your job due to raids, but thats your only potential loss of income.

    THE GUY IN QUESTION DOES NOT WANT YOUR NON-EXTRAS DANCES. he will therefore not be spending his money on you regardless of wether or not someone is performing extras in your club. if you're not performing them, he's not gonna spend on you. therefore, you can't say that the money he spent on the extras girl could've been yours if she wasn't cheating/giving extras.
    If NONE of the girls did extras, then he would spend money on someone (to see if someone would) and then realize that none would do it. If he doesnt like it, he can take his ass to another place.
    Yes we are losing money. There are tons of customers who want a regular dance, and when they get HIT up for extras by the dancer herself, are shocked and stunned, and decide, "Hell, I'll stay HERE!!!!"
    OF COURSE it impacts our money!!!!
    And im not talking about hwen prostitution is legalized like you said in your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83651#msg83651 date=1079125807
    So, dont get mad at the "extras girls" for actually supplying a product that the market is demanding.

    Itd be like if you owned a hamburger joint and sold burgers containing 75% beef and 25% pencil shavings, then complaining that people are going to your competitors joint which serves 100% beef(what the customers want), just because you dont want to serve 100% beef patties.

    you can attack my post all you want. it doesn't matter to me. im just trying to open up your eyes. attacking me isn't going to get rid of the extras from your club. its not going to stop the progression towards legalized prostitution and its not going to stop you from going out of business from providing a service in high supply(a naked girl, giving no extras) to a market which is constantly lowering and lowering its demand for said service.

    Sanderson, I am really surprised at your post. How can you compare DANCERS to prostitutes? I am a DANCER, and when I LAP dance I do 100% of my job. Now, if I decided to give extras, I would be doing something more along the lines of a prostitute.
    Dancing and prostitution are not the same, so for men who want to go to strip clubs and are SAD that they only got a dance, they should look at the title of the joint. STRIP CLUB. Not ESTHER's ESCORTS!!!!

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    Could we clear up what extras are? I think high milage or grinding,is not consider as extra.

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    Im thinking extras are hj's, bj's and sex....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83710#msg83710 date=1079135483
    Im thinking extras are hj's, bj's and sex....
    I agree and would add finger banging, letting the customer touch in a no-touch club, flashing the cookie in a topless club, and allowing feeding (nipple sucks) in a no-mouth contact club.
    You get what you put up with

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83718#msg83718 date=1079136772
    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83710#msg83710 date=1079135483
    Im thinking extras are hj's, bj's and sex....
    I agree and would add finger banging, letting the customer touch in a no-touch club, flashing the cookie in a topless club, and allowing feeding (nipple sucks) in a no-mouth contact club.
    Yeah good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83664#msg83664 date=1079128279
    I think girls who provide sex glut the market and lower the price for girls who don't. The less sex THEY have, the more money I make...the more sex THEY have, the less money I make.

    ....

    He will if he has no other choices. Trust me. He will.
    That's kinda dicey territory there, vanilla, because it borders on misrepresentation or at least a dissatisfied experience for the customer.

    I hate to use analogies, but it's like saying if you could ban the sale of all TV's in a region, you wind up with greater sales for radios. So all the people selling radios get a perk in sales, but wind up with customers who really wanted TV's. In actuality, there are people looking for TV's and radios, and the best scenario is to have accomodations for both available, just maybe not under the same roof.

    The problem occurs when a radio-only store has a few salesman selling TV's "out back"... it causes a slew of customers going to the radio store looking for TV's and pressuring the other radio salesmen into selling TV's as well constantly.

    When you start talking about banning something entirely, region wide, in order to capture additional sales- then you are misrepresenting a service or causing poor fit sales... neither case is positive. The win-win solution is- you provide a service, you cater to those looking specifically for your service. It's lose-lose when it becomes- you provide a service, a customer specifically wants a totally different service, but instead it's not made available so he/she just buys something they really didn't want in the first place. This is where all animosity in this debate lies on both sides of the coin.

    In summary, there are customers and there are johns, and it's no more or less disingenuous to try and bend a john into a customer than it is for a john to try and bend a dancer into a prostitute. Both cases are equally bad and equally dishonorable as they both stem from greed.
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    Nope, I do pretty crazy shows as well for close friends and clients. These were situations where they would pay me a flat rate to hang out with them and party....if I choose to take it a step further, I get hella tipped. A step further would be domination sessions and ejaculation shows. I do a lighter version of both at the clubs VIP. It IS totally a personal decision to set parameters to your comfort. For me, no-contact debauchery can go pretty far. Just swanky eye candy, all it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83718#msg83718 date=1079136772
    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7336;start=msg83710#msg83710 date=1079135483
    Im thinking extras are hj's, bj's and sex....
    I agree and would add finger banging, letting the customer touch in a no-touch club, flashing the cookie in a topless club, and allowing feeding (nipple sucks) in a no-mouth contact club.
    Agreed

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