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    I just talked to a lady who said her club pays $300 a week but they keep all your lap dance money until the end of the week. Then they give it to you with your pay in a check. Has anyone ever heard of this?

    LD's work out to a net of two songs for $15 which is pretty shitty. (Two for $20 but house keeps $5) She did say most of the money is made on stage.

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    I've never heard of that. Personally I'd be very leary of trusting a club to pay me at the end of the week. What if their count of dances isn't the same as yours?
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    The dancers are supposed to have the bartender sign them into the dance and write the dance in a book and have the dancer initial it. Only one dance can take place at a time because there is only room for one. It sounds like a total nightmare to me.

    I visualize waiting for the bartender to finish making a round of six drinks while me and my customer wait...and wait...
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    Yes, this is part of the new financial trend which stems from the California employee dancer law and renewed IRS enforcement. The idea is that the club handles all of the transactions with the customer, instead of allowing the customer to directly pay the dancers. The club also handles all of the payouts to dancers, including whatever they may have earned from private dances and champagne room trips. This allows the club to take a business expense deduction for all of the money paid out to the dancers, both in the form of a basic "salary" as well as end of week "commissions" on sales of private dances and champagne room trips. Of course, next January the club will issue 1099 forms to the IRS and to the dancers reporting all of the money the dancers have received as taxable income.

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    Hmmm...I worked in a place in Austin where they give you a waitress paycheck of 1/2 minumum wage based on hours worked...its of course for their tax reasons. Although we could pick them up from the office, it was hard to get a manager to take the time to give us the checks, and most girls didn't even bother to pick them up since they pay would have been so shitty, like $30 for a week or something......

    I did rack up like $200-300 in those checks over time once. Then I went out of country, and when I returned to try and claim them, they had been "sent back" and I could no longer get them...yeah right, there does management's tip!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=6;threadid=7427;start=msg84793#msg84793 date=1079422768
    Yes, this is part of the new financial trend which stems from the California employee dancer law and renewed IRS enforcement. The idea is that the club handles all of the transactions with the customer, instead of allowing the customer to directly pay the dancers. The club also handles all of the payouts to dancers, including whatever they may have earned from private dances and champagne room trips. This allows the club to take a business expense deduction for all of the money paid out to the dancers, both in the form of a basic "salary" as well as end of week "commissions" on sales of private dances and champagne room trips. Of course, next January the club will issue 1099 forms to the IRS and to the dancers reporting all of the money the dancers have received as taxable income.
    Hmmmm. That should cut into the extras biz a bit! LOL

    Last thing a girl is gonna want to hear is ...looks like you made 10 grand last weekend little lady! You sure can dance!

    Seriously though. That really sucks. A whole new group of clubs crossed off my list as unacceptable. *sigh* Anyway that supposed to be in effect for all of Wyoming now.


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    Default Re:Club Keeps All Lap Dance Money

    I danced in one club like that. But it wasn't for tax purposes. We would sign off on our dances/champagne rooms and also get little receipts signed by the bartender for them. At the end of the night we would one at a time go into the office and make sure that our counting up matched the managers counting up. Then we would sign something saying that was what they owed us for that day. At the end of the week there would be a dancer meeting after which we would get called into the office one at a time to get our $$ for the week in cash.

    I didn't like it.

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    Hmmmm. That should cut into the extras biz a bit! LOL
    Actually this will have the opposite effect. "Extras" money directly paid by the customer to the dancer without the knowledge of the club potentially escapes club bookkeeping, therefore having to be declared as income and having to pay taxes on the money. For example, if a dancer does ten $20 private dances, the club keeps half, the dancer is paid her half in the form of a $100 check, the $100 is reported as income requiring about $40 in taxes to be paid, then the dancer actually got to keep $60 out of those ten dances. However, a $100 tip from a customer for "extra" attention in the VIP room potentially represents $100 directly into the pocket of an unscrupulous dancer.


    Supposedly this is the way the service industry is going due to the IRS cracking down. One by one, the restaurants are doing this...maybe SC's are headed that way as well?
    These changes are the result of "voluntary agreements" on the part of the casinos and other businesses. The business agrees to handle all of the cash transactions on the part of their tipped employees, to collect withholding tax, to pay the employees by check, and to report all of this to the IRS. In exchange, the IRS agrees not to audit the casino's or business' books too closely.


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    Default Re:Club Keeps All Lap Dance Money

    Another industry going this direction is cab companies. A lot of them are on tip agreements with the IRS and several have switched over to giving their employees paychecks once a week. As with Melonie's comment about the hiding of "extras" money, I'm sure that none of these drivers are reporting any of their SC stripclub money.

    Hmm....this gave me a bizarre, sleep-deprived, tax-season induced thought...the six degrees of strip club separation...can anyone/anything be connected to a strip club in less than six steps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=6;threadid=7427;start=msg85297#msg85297 date=1079545053

    "Extras" money directly paid by the customer to the dancer [/b] without the knowledge of the club potentially escapes club bookkeeping....
    I think that works good for the girls who actually have the smarts to charge extra for extra's. Not so much for the girls who give extra's away in hopes of keeping lots of reg's or selling the most dances!

    I really hate the idea of giving my money to the clubs to hold. Most of these clubs are not run by legitimate business people. For the most part they cannot be trusted to hold large -or even small- sums of cash.

    What happens if they get robbed? Or the money and/or paperwork gets *lost*? What if the club gets raided or abruptly closes?

    What happens if shit goes south between dancer and club? If the dancer needs to leave right away because the club is a whorehouse and the managers are pimps is she going to get her money? Or are they going to keep it because she broke her contract?

    I'm surprised there are not more clubs doing this if they are doing it all over Wyoming. Since when did Wyoming become a trend setter?

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    VD, you really are not in such bad shape when it comes to getting paid. Before you wet your pants with excitement, let me explain.

    If the club folds you go to the head of the line of creditors, even ahead of the tax man. One of the few things beauracrats are good at is liquidation. It does not mean it is fast but it is effective.

    Cautionary not --Keep an independent set of records and if you doubt one payperiod make them sign your records like they make you sign theirs. Any deviation take straight to the Hours and pay people at the state department of Labor(Name is going to vary by state) if they do not accept your records or the mistake does not pass the sniff test. They cannot refuse producing complete records on YOUR pay.

    There are worse ways it could work out--the club could just rat out all the dancers who have to prove they paid all their taxes for last year.

    If you need consolation, at least Uncle Sam wears a condom when he pops you in the heine. No diner or thank you though--those are extras in the tax business. I am afraid that states are sufficiently desperate that everyone is going to get caught in their web--Just a matter of time and priorities.

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    Hmm....this gave me a bizarre, sleep-deprived, tax-season induced thought...the six degrees of strip club separation...can anyone/anything be connected to a strip club in less than six steps?
    A difficult legal test indeed for every single mayor, police chief, city council member, patrolman ...

    What happens if shit goes south between dancer and club?
    ask the dancers who are trying to sue the VIP club in Manhattan for thousands in unpaid private dance/ champagne room "commissions". It's absolutely true that in order for dancers to get in line as official "creditors" they must open up their own income and tax records to the courts. This immediately puts the dancers at risk of independent IRS investigations into their own declared incomes and taxes paid if any discrepancies are found between the club's records and the dancers' records.

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