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    "This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman," said NARAL president Kate Michelman. "Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."

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    Seems our society is DEGRESSING rather than progressing.
    Sad day for all, I'll tell ya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88266#msg88266 date=1080254691
    Seems our society is DEGRESSING rather than progressing.
    Sad day for all, I'll tell ya.
    I'd say that this is part of a huge conservative backlash in protest of all of the "over the top" liberal issues which the conservatives consider to be attacking the moral fiber of America i.e legalized sodomy, gay marriage, pledge of allegiance ...

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    I'm a little ignorant(not from georgia), what is the georgia piercing law?




    ooops, forget it, i scrolled down a couple threads. anyway, i think this bill is rediculous. personally not only do i think abortion should be legal, but i think it shoud be encouraged in many istances. whats growing inside a woman is a parasite until IT proves otherwise. killing a woman(or man), pregnant or not should be punished by death anyway, so theres really no reason to tack on any crap about a fetus.

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    . Gov. Bob Wise vetoed legislation Wednesday that would have made it a separate crime
    The bill (SB566), dubbed the “Laci Peterson Bill,” also defined life as beginning at conception, something the governor rejected.
    “For centuries, theologians, philosophers and scientists have struggled, with no definitive answer, to determine when life begins” Wise wrote in his veto message. “It is certainly not logical to think that in a few short hours, and in the last minutes of the session, the West Virginia Legislature could conclude such a debate.”


    While emotionally debated on the floors of both legislative chambers for hours, the bill had overwhelming support from lawmakers, passing by an 83-16 vote in the House of Delegates and 31-2 in the state Senate. The bill created a separate offense for criminal acts — including murder, voluntary manslaughter, or assault and battery — that resulted in the death of a fetus. The bill had exceptions for legal abortions, medical procedures and acts committed by the mother herself.

    The above is an excerpt from this morning Charleston Gazette{WV}

    This knee jerk reaction is running on the state level as well as the federal, I wonder want the Gov. would have done if he was running for re-election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88277#msg88277 date=1080255111
    I'm a little ignorant(not from georgia), what is the georgia piercing law?




    ooops, forget it, i scrolled down a couple threads. anyway, i think this bill is rediculous. personally not only do i think abortion should be legal, but i think it shoud be encouraged in many istances. whats growing inside a woman is a parasite until IT proves otherwise. killing a woman(or man), pregnant or not should be punished by death anyway, so theres really no reason to tack on any crap about a fetus.
    Ok I am pro choice myself, but your saying a fetus or embryo is a parasite? Come on sanderson, you could try harder than that. First ya say all strippers are prostitutes, and now an embryo or fetus is a parasite?

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    I'm torn on this issue. I consider myself conservative- though I am to an extent for abortion. I dont actively support it- but I dont think it should be outlawed either. I guess this is a very emotional issue for me- having had 3 kids. The moment you find out you're pregnant- no matter how early in the pregnancy- that is YOUR baby! You dont think of it as an embryo or fetus, it's your little life growing inside you. If I were 8 months pregnant (now remember I've been walking around for 8 months w/ this little baby in me, I can feel the kicks and the hiccups, seen the ultrasounds) and if someone attacked me and I lost my baby- oh God, that is MY baby they just killed. I would want them to be charged for attacking me and the death of my child. I dont know too much on the laws regarding this- I dont know if they have a certain restriction- like only in the 3rd trimester does it count. I know I dont agree w/ 3rd trimester abortions. I dont want to start a heated debate on this issue- I understand why some women get abortions and why some even SHOULD, but when a baby is in the 3rd trimester- it looks and acts just like a baby- just doesn't have the mature lungs yet. I dunno, I'm really torn and just throwing up my thoughts. I dont want to upset anyone. Take care.

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    I'm also conservative on the topic of abortion and therefore oppose it, but I am pro-choice. It doesn't take any amount of exposure to reality to realize that by outlawing something, you don't remove it's existence, you just simply make it unlawful.. thus will revisit the days of "Basement Abortion Clinics", which will simply lead to health risks and likely many deaths to women.. not to mention complete absence of currently available counseling and guidance.

    I'd like to envision a day in the long-term future where abortion can be outlawed and by the unanimous decision of US citizens, but there is way too much infrastructure that needs to be built and exceptions to make this feasible. Reliable and convenient means of contraception, better education, higher awareness factors, stiffer penalties/enforcement for negligent parenting, and the like would need to be almost offscale, and there would still have to be exceptions to cover the broadscope of US citizens (rape/incest victims, contraceptive failures, etc.etc.). Legislation can't tackle all of the above, only a magic wand or genie can.

    What the conservatives are trying to do is curb the young women that have had 5-6 abortions by the time they reach the age 19, but they are doing so by trying to use a flame thrower to light a candle in a paper house. It's not wise, bright nor will it have the desired results.
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    I was pretty open minded about abortion and I guess I still am to a point. The morning after pill and a couple weeks - I would be OK with it.

    There are sites like this one that can change a person's mind about abortion months later on though...

    (There may be some images you see that you wish you could unsee - so be forewarned if you have a weak stomach.)

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    Ok that site is for sickos who want to inflict more pain on women who HAVE undergone abortions. (Atleast you posted a warning!)
    I am against late term abortions but I still dont see it as my right to tell anyone what to do. (Even though its terrible)

    Im not saying abortion is RIGHT and A-OK to me, but to tell a woman that she MUST have the baby is different. People have different reasons for abortions, so I am no one to judge or tell them what to do.

    Women who have an abortion undergo some mental trauma at times and sites like this just make it worse. Instead of helping, those sites make it worse.
    I say to anyone who thinks otherwise because no one knows what its like until they are in the position. I've known MANY, TOO MANY women who claimed to be pro life, and then encountered the situation and were the first one at an abortion clinic.

    Im saddened when I see these pics, but I still dont think the government should tell anyone what they should and should not do with their body.




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    I agree Lexi about the mental trauma women go through after having an abortion. I can't completely understand cause I haven't had one, but I do sympathize- I imagine it must be very sad. I understand that women make their decisions and stand by it- but I can still imagine how much emotional ups and downs they had gone through, before, during, and after an abortion. My sympathy does go out to those.

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    Unfortunately, the legal fact remains that the "Laci Law" has created the legal precedent that an unborn fetus now has rights as a person i.e. the right to "life". This goes without saying if another person can now be charged with the crime of murder if they caused the "death" of a fetus who isn't born yet ! However, if an unborn fetus has now been determined to have rights as a person prior to birth, a legal challenge of the legality of abortions isn't far off ! By the same token, it's entirely possible that mothers who choose to smoke, drink or take drugs during their pregnancy could now be charged with endangering the life of their unborn child ! As usual, creating a legal precedent for one worthy purpose often has ramifications which wind up going far beyond the original intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88266#msg88266 date=1080254691
    Seems our society is DEGRESSING rather than progressing.
    Sad day for all, I'll tell ya.

    It does seem that way Lexi..

    everyone reading this thread..actually everyone who is a member of this forum needs to not only register to vote ,but be sure to make themselves heard through their vote !
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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88277#msg88277 date=1080255111
    .... whats growing inside a woman is a parasite until IT proves otherwise. ...
    from: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parasite
    par·a·site: An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

    a fetus grows feeds and is sheltered inside a woman while doing nothing to help her survival. while it is a strange thing to consiter it as such it does fit the definition. and personally imho they (children) really are parasites in one way or another untill they get a job. I feel like a parasite right now since I am not working and my husband takes care of everything. but thats another story......

    personally I could never get an abortion, i just dont think i could handel it mentally. but I will not impeed on anothers right to do what is best for her.

    pro-choice is not pro-abortion

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    actually everyone who is a member of this forum needs to not only register to vote ,but be sure to make themselves heard through their vote !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ami link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88394#msg88394 date=1080278739
    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88277#msg88277 date=1080255111
    .... whats growing inside a woman is a parasite until IT proves otherwise. ...
    from: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parasite
    par·a·site: An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

    a fetus grows feeds and is sheltered inside a woman while doing nothing to help her survival. while it is a strange thing to consiter it as such it does fit the definition. and personally imho they (children) really are parasites in one way or another untill they get a job. I feel like a parasite right now since I am not working and my husband takes care of everything. but thats another story......

    personally I could never get an abortion, i just dont think i could handel it mentally. but I will not impeed on anothers right to do what is best for her.

    pro-choice is not pro-abortion
    Ahhh then it can fit the description but having read sandersons response before about ALL dancers being prostitutes, I could have thought this was another attempt at degrading something that shouldnt be.
    Well, literally speaking, I guess it fits, but I would never call a baby a parasite.

    And I have always said the same thing, in fact, in another abortion thread I said that very same thing "Pro choice is not Pro abortion" but people dont get that.

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    well, for me, im not just pro choice, im certainly pro-abortion. but i know im in the minority.

    i guess im being degrading to "someTHING" that isn't even a living/functioning human being? so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88424#msg88424 date=1080284719
    Quote Originally Posted by ami link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88394#msg88394 date=1080278739
    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88277#msg88277 date=1080255111
    .... whats growing inside a woman is a parasite until IT proves otherwise. ...
    from:
    par·a·site: An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

    a fetus grows feeds and is sheltered inside a woman while doing nothing to help her survival. while it is a strange thing to consiter it as such it does fit the definition. and personally imho they (children) really are parasites in one way or another untill they get a job. I feel like a parasite right now since I am not working and my husband takes care of everything. but thats another story......

    personally I could never get an abortion, i just dont think i could handel it mentally. but I will not impeed on anothers right to do what is best for her.

    pro-choice is not pro-abortion
    Ahhh then it can fit the description but having read sandersons response before about ALL dancers being prostitutes, I could have thought this was another attempt at degrading something that shouldnt be.
    Well, literally speaking, I guess it fits, but I would never call a baby a parasite.

    And I have always said the same thing, in fact, in another abortion thread I said that very same thing "Pro choice is not Pro abortion" but people dont get that.
    Wow.. It's amazing to see the views on this topic. I am definitely pro-choice. I hate sites like those, that post the pictures of aborted babies. It's painful enough for a woman to go through it, and to have that shoved in her face, telling her that she "murdered" her baby. It's ridiculous.

    As for an unborn child being a "parasite", hmmm.. I don't get that. It IS LIVING and growing every day. Babies don't have to prove a damn thing. They may not be contributing to the woman's survival, but I think it's absolutely wrong to classify an unborn child as a "parasite". It may fit the "scientific" definition in a round-about way, but, it's definitely not the case.

    That whole way of thinking reminds me of Hitler's view on children. Babies and young children were immediately sent to their deaths because he called and referred to them as "useless feeders", meaning they served no purpose to them or his operations. Sickening.

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    Mind you Rhia, Hitler, that cocksucker, must have not had a mother huh? "Useless feeders"? Glad he is maggot food.

    And sanderson, I bet you are "pro abortion" because you just like to cause controvery. Its all good, Sandy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88446#msg88446 date=1080289505
    Mind you Rhia, Hitler, that cocksucker, must have not had a mother huh? "Useless feeders"? Glad he is maggot food.

    And sanderson, I bet you are "pro abortion" because you just like to cause controvery. Its all good, Sandy!
    Exactly.. He was completely insane. I did a ton of research on him and the Holocaust after meeting a great-aunt of my ex-husband's. She was in one of the concentration camps, and still had her tattoo. She said she never removed it, as a reminder of how lucky she was to survive it. Her first-hand stories absolutely stunned me. Fascinating stuff she told me, though.

    That was pretty much Hitler's take on children though. They were immediately sent off, because he didn't think they were worth the less-than 300 calories a day that he fed the workers.

    Sorry for getting off-topic, I just see similarities.

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    Wow wow wow is all i can say to both this and the gental piercing topic... And they say the United States Of America is a country if freedom.

    Mmm sometimes i wonder if i really do want to move there.... I mean no offense to anyone here but the American goverment is seriously f**ked up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88436#msg88436 date=1080286643
    That whole way of thinking reminds me of Hitler's view on children. Babies and young children were immediately sent to their deaths because he called and referred to them as "useless feeders", meaning they served no purpose to them or his operations. Sickening.
    actually it depended on the type of baby. if they were jewish, well of course he would kill them, they were useless to him. but he had a program set up to raise more aryan people. it would start like a resort/swinger/orgy and when the women got pregent they were sent off to a special home untill they had thier baby, then the baby was put into a program and the mother went elsewhere. there were thousands of these blue eyed blonde haired children raised in hitlers twisted programs. most never knew who thier parents were.

    heres an account of one of the first children in this program, this was before the resorts and it was just an unwed mothers program, but of course only if the mother had certain features:
    http://www.rickross.com/reference/ha...groups164.html

    more about the homes:
    http://histclo.hispeed.com/essay/war/ww2/ww2-leb.html
    "If the baby was handicapped or impaired, it would allowed to starve or otherwise terminated." but alas if it was a perfect ayran it was given wonderful treatment....

    there was a very good show on the resorts on the history channel (I think) a while back, they should show it again sometime....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88446#msg88446 date=1080289505
    ... must have not had a mother huh?
    I have heard that he was very fond of his mother, almost a momas boy, and she became very ill and died, hitler blamed the doctor, who happend to be Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ami link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88577#msg88577 date=1080325026
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88436#msg88436 date=1080286643
    That whole way of thinking reminds me of Hitler's view on children. Babies and young children were immediately sent to their deaths because he called and referred to them as "useless feeders", meaning they served no purpose to them or his operations. Sickening.
    actually it depended on the type of baby. if they were jewish, well of course he would kill them, they were useless to him. but he had a program set up to raise more aryan people. it would start like a resort/swinger/orgy and when the women got pregent they were sent off to a special home untill they had thier baby, then the baby was put into a program and the mother went elsewhere. there were thousands of these blue eyed blonde haired children raised in hitlers twisted programs. most never knew who thier parents were.

    heres an account of one of the first children in this program, this was before the resorts and it was just an unwed mothers program, but of course only if the mother had certain features:


    more about the homes:

    "If the baby was handicapped or impaired, it would allowed to starve or otherwise terminated." but alas if it was a perfect ayran it was given wonderful treatment....

    there was a very good show on the resorts on the history channel (I think) a while back, they should show it again sometime....
    I'm well aware of the history, I've done tons of research on it. Jewish infants who fit the description of his perfect Aryan concept (blonde hair, blue eyes), were given to childless German couples. Sure, they did have programs set up to breed "the perfect race", but Jewish children were also subjected to it, and taken from their families and put with German families, raised in their ways, and to carry on the genes. Trust me, I heard horrible stories from someone who actually lived through the holocaust. Her accounts just stunned me.

    Nevertheless, before we completely change the topic, my point is that whole mentality of an unborn child being a parasite, is completely ridiculous, and it goes along the same lines as Hitler's opinions and mentality, regardless of race in this case.
    When a woman decides to carry a child, she's carrying it so it WILL become something in the world. She provides what he/she needs until they're ready to live outside of her body.

    I know plenty of adults who would classify as being parasites, and there is definitely no excuse for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ami link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88579#msg88579 date=1080325562
    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=7711;start=msg88446#msg88446 date=1080289505
    ... must have not had a mother huh?
    I have heard that he was very fond of his mother, almost a momas boy, and she became very ill and died, hitler blamed the doctor, who happend to be Jewish.
    Oh yeah,I know ami, I was being sarcastic. I heard he loved his mother a lot too, and thats why I said "he must have no had one" if women were useless, etc... but then you posted that link. Great find!

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