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    So somebody I know very well goes there last night to visit a friend who works there and says the place is horrible. Not only was the dead but the girls were all far from being 10's and were on the chubby side. Actually he said he couldnt even look at the girls on stage becuase it was making him sick. This is all coming from someone who spends alot of money at these places... doesnt look like its going to do too well.

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    Default Re:So heres the scoop on Scores West

    Just an educated guess but they probably don't want
    interchangeable "funny money" for "accounting" reasons. There may be some differences in ownership
    between the two; they may want to keep an accurate
    handle on how each club is doing etc.
    BTW- my sources tell me Scores West is even worse
    than Scores East. The dancers that went West either
    couldn't get hired at Scores or weren't making money
    there.Too bad.

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    I can't believe that Scores management is allowing the "Scores" reputation to be associated with dancers who are "chubby" and "lots lower than 10's" at the new Scores West club. This is going to harm the Scores reputation with would-be customers at BOTH Scores clubs.

    I'm trying to figure out what's actually going on with the West Side clubs. If I remember correctly, the very first club to move to this area was Legz Diamonds, which was always fairly low on class but high on "ass". The latest addition is of course Hustler. It's curious that the Hustler/DejaVu chain could have chosen either name for the new club, but chose Hustler which is also fairly low on class but high on "ass" (whereas DejaVu is generally considered to be upscale).

    Also, based on personal experience as well as recent news footage, neither Legz or Hustler seem to be staffing their clubs with girls who are 9's or 10's. There are also some "veiled allegations" by the Manhattan councilwoman that clubs in this area are in need of increased police attention. This is beginning to really make me wonder what sort of "action" is actually available in these other West Side clubs. This might explain the result of Scores West being dead but Hustler being busy, when both clubs are offering less than "top shelf" girls to the same area clientele, but with Scores West offering their typical zero contact.

    Miss George, you may find that you'll be playing a very different game with a different sort of clientele at Scores West. Please keep us posted !

    I also agree that Scores West appears to be a huge marketing mistake on the part of the Scores chain. If it does indeed require higher mileage for west side clubs to be financially successful, then the Scores chain would have been light years ahead by naming their new west side club something entirely different. As it is, anything bad that west side club customers have to say about Scores West is going to land on Scores East as well.


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    You know, Melonie, you make a very god point about the naming of the Hustler club. "Deja Vu" is much less trashy sounding, and the Hustler club here is at least trying to market itself as being upscale. The only reason I can think of is that they did open up a Deja Vu club here in New York, albeit very briefy--right next to JFK airport in Jamaica Queens
    I would sooner think that the choice of the name Hustler was made deliberately, for the express purpose of selling the club on the basis of higher sleaze factor ! After all, Manhattan has already stretched the available customer base for upscale zero contact clubs to the limit with Scores and PEC. Manhattan has always had its share of sleazier clubs with higher levels of contact, but many would-be customers have shied away from going to these sleazier clubs because of bad or risky location, fair probability of a bust etc.

    If only there was a Manhattan club which made no bones about offering a higher sleaze factor, but was located in a reasonably good non-risky location, and had enough legal clout to cut the odds of a club bust just about out of the picture, such a club would absolutely clean up ! I'm starting to think that this is EXACTLY what Hustler's marketing plan is all about !

    I asked a friend who is knowledgeable about NYC anti-dance club laws what would be required for Manhattan to actually manage to close down west side club(s) or to force them to relocate elsewhere. He tells me that the original NYC adult zoning laws specifically created the west side adult zone, and also created a loophole that any NYC clubs forced to relocate in the future were entitled to up to 5 1/4 YEARS of operation in their current location in order to recoup the investment made by the club. This pretty much guarantees that the city faces the option of dealing with Hustler in its current location for at least the next 5 years, or paying the Hustler/DejaVu corporation millions of dollars worth of NYC tax money in "stranded costs" damages. In other words, Hustler isn't going anywhere no matter how they choose to run their club !

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    Good choice!!

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    Default Re:So heres the scoop on Scores West

    Sorry, guys, I might not be able to give the scoop on Scores West at all--I keep hearing bad things about it (the rumours get worse and worse!) and might just chicken out and stick with Scores East
    Truthfully, Chrissy is right - this sounds like the smart call. If the bad vibe on Scores West is even 1/2 true, leaving Scores East to work Scores West will be a "lose-lose" situation for you.

    The only way that I could conceive of reneging on Scores West could work against you is if/when Scores gets desparate enough to FORCE Scores East girls to also work Scores West, either based on a Limo Shuttle arrangement through the shift or "must work Scores West first in order to work Scores East" booking restrictions. Both of these would be somewhat "harsh" measures, but if Scores really starts to find that the West side club is turning into a financial disaster and are unable to staff Scores West with enough "Scores calibre girls" to maintain the reputation I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

    Eventually, I'd be surprised if Scores East can continue to function as profitably as it has been in a Manhattan club environment which is increasingly dominated by "corporate clubs" with "corporate club rules". However, as you point out, Scores East is one of the few high earnings potential clubs which does not require a minimum number of shifts per week or a rigid advance booking schedule, continuing to make Scores East popular with "top shelf girls" who demand an unrestricted schedule (although Scores East charges dancers $200+ a night for the privelege, and does not extend that privelege to every dancer).

    Change is in the wind (and it smells kinda bad) !

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    Wow I pretty late but I guess because of opening night they had all the beautiful girls there. But I think PEC is probably the best club in NYC right now.

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    We appreciate the "live report", Miss George ! It is interesting that you have confirmed that Scores West is allowing higher contact levels on the floor. One would assume that the higher contact levels can also be found in the Champagne room ? These observations would tend to support the "Hustler" theory i.e. that higher contact is going to be part of the new game in the west side adult zone.

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    Default Re:So heres the scoop on Scores West

    Dont be fooled miss George there was plenty going on in the private rooms on the East side trust me!! They just keep it more hidden.

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    I know what you mean.

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    Miss George
    Thanks for the report, it sounds like scores west is picking up, they're smart not to charge a house fee and I'm sure when they have a certain amount of girls they'll become more strict on the contact and costumes, right now now they have to kiss girls asses to make them want to work there. I checked out Hustler club last night and it was very empty and the few guys that showed up had a drink and left, the quality of the women was not good either but a few 3 pretty ones. The waitress and bartender out fit was ugly and they had pot bellies. The club is small and pretty and the entrance out side even nicer but that pole in the middle of the stage was very cheesy. I will check out scores west soon and post my opinions.
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    I saw on Howard Stern not to long ago they were trying to promote the opening of Scores west and the owner guy( forgive me for not being educated but I forgot the owners name) and like ten girls went on the show trying to promote the grand opening. I couldn't get over how while the girls had nice bodies I couldn't get over how advarage their faces looked. I honestly did not think they were "Scores" material. But to be fair I am very picky and love faces so mabey I am just too demanding of what sexy is. But yeah I didn't think they were "10's" or whatever. I always wanted to work at Scores and while I am realistic enough to know I probably would not be hired at the original Scores after seeing that episode I was pretty confident I could at least be hired at the Scores they were promoting.

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    Lilac- Do NOT sell yourself short.While I don't care for the place (mostly for reasons not connected to the dancers) Scores can be a very good place to work and
    their standards have definitely declined i.e. they can't afford to be as picky and choosy as they used to be.
    From what little indication I can get from your photo,
    I'd bet you can get hired at Scores and maybe PEC too.
    Go for it!

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    Hi all!
    So I went to scores west tonight as a customer with my boyfriend and immediately it was great!... I ran into one of the owners at the door who welcome us with open arms and told a host to seat us and gave us 2 rounds of free drinks on the house and asked why aren't I working there? so I replied I'm here to check it out and if I'm happy I'll be back to work. So I made sure I had a table which over-look the entire club. I was surprise to see how many people from the east side scores was there working ( managers, bouncers, host and a few dancers as well as owners ) they were all very nice and attentive... The girls were true hustlers and they were young, attractive and in great shape. I had 2 different girls dance for me that were a 10 and they had good clean fun contact that my pussy was wet!... and I'm thinking my boyfriend was horny too when they dance for him or when he watched them danced for me or both...... I also had an incredible massage from the massage girl 5 times in a row and did massage my boyfriend too. ( she was young & petite but very strong & professional ) I even recognize a few regular customers. The club was busy but not packed. I saw a lot of traffic going to the private rooms. It was nice to see some new dancers as well as well known dancers who said they were helping out the west side club and that the east side was busier. So I guess they are limosine some staff as well as dancers to keep the upscale image. the cover charge at the door was $30 per person so I guess this will keep the no money young studs out... As the night progress the champagne room got quite busy and all that's required to get a table there is a bottle at your table which is $250 and up and the dances are same as the floor. The good thing is there was a variety of girls and they have the scores image but there were some girls with the open toes shoes and platforms and some gowns with a slit all the way to the waist. At the eastside club this is not allowed....... but it was in good taste and the girls were sexy ( personally I like open toes, my feet are always well manicured ) But the girls are hot!... I got hot!... wet!... etc..... I'm thinking I will go and work here and bank clean $$$.............. I'm off to a sunny easter vacation and will keep you all up-dated on my return. Well kisses and good cumminigs for now.... I know I'm going to ha! ha! ha!
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    Hey Kid and miss george thank you for those kind words. I didn't want to make it sound like I was ugly or had low self esteem or anything. I guess I just think my hips are a little bigger and legs a little more muscular to be hired at Scores. But hey if you guys think I could give it a shot I'll take your word for it! But the more and more I hear about the Penthouse club the more and more I would rather make it out to NY for that place!

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    im thinking of flying up to NY to check out Sores west...im in South Carolina /large club with 200 girls.........can someone explain to me what funny money is??? Thanks

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    can someone explain to me what funny money is
    "Funny Money" is basically counterfeit currency which is only good in the club. The reason that clubs use it is that it allows business customers to put all of the money they spend in the club on their credit card tab (and probably take a tax write-off), as opposed to tipping in cash. Basically the customer buys say $100 worth of funny money at the club's cash register, the customer tips dancers using the funny money instead of cash, and then at the end of the night (or week - depends on club) dancers turn in the funny money they have collected to the club and are then paid in cash.

    From a dancer's standpoint funny money has two drawbacks. First, the club usually charges a percentage to cover their costs of credit card transactions (plus raking a little extra profit), meaning that you might only get $80 in cash for turning in $100 in funny money. Second, an official financial transaction record is created as a result of the cash-in, which may show up on an official dancer's income report issued by the club to the IRS (who may then want another $20 in income tax out of the $80 cash the club paid you).

    Some clubs also use funny money for other purposes - for example regulating which dancers are allowed to schedule the most profitable future shifts based on the amount of funny money they turn in (supposedly indicating how popular they are with club customers). If you're not aware of this, most northeast clubs strictly limit the number of dancers allowed to work per shift based on advance scheduling. This is done precisely to avoid the situation you're facing now, where 200+ dancers show up to work versus only 100 customers, such that very few dancers earn decent money. In the northeast, if you can get on the schedule in the first place, you're pretty well assured to earn decent money.

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    What exactly makes a girl "Scores material?" I find comments like these to be confusing. One customer's taste differs from another customer's taste. So for one customer to make a statement that all of the girls were chubby, and for everyone to get nervous about going to a particular club because of a statement made by ONE customer, does not make sense. I seriously doubt that Scores would hire fat girls to work at their establishment. It seems to me that this customer seems to like a walking stick with tits. I'm sure every other customer won't feel the same.

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    Scores East is very picky in regard to hiring practices ... although they are less picky now that Penthouse has opened ! They want girls with a particular "look", and are not afraid to turn away girls who don't have that "look" even though they may have very pretty faces and trim bodies. Scores West is another story and has much less demanding hiring standards (to go along with much lower income potential).

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    When I left Scores they were hiring any girl that wandered off the street to audition. They were hiring girls that most clubs would not even take in. I have also the heard that the quality of girls at the west side is still poor, most of them are out of shape.

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    i hope PEC doesn't mean Private eyes. They have the most rigorous schedule and it's true about it being a no contact club. But as far as the champagne room goes, things are different. i used to work there and after i quit, my boyfriends friend went into the champagne room and was able to finger a girl back there. I'm not surprised by this because i saw more than that in the back. I quit that club because of the schedule (i was starting school) and they started to hire girls who looked like they were 14 years old.

    I'm surprised about scores west becuase i work at priviledge now and it's been dead there. i assumed it was either hustler or scores because scores is just a few blocks away from us.
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    Well on my most recent visit to scores west I saw a variety of young girls in their 20's with great bodies not 0ne was fat, I also got the impression they flew these girls in to work and saw some from the eastside club. I was told business was off that week I guess because stock market was down........ however there were girls going to private rooms and I saw a host got in the way of a dancer making $$$$ and bought the customer his girls then they went to private. This was bad...... this is what the hosts at vip club does and I was surprise this went on at scores. I wonder if management and owners knows about this? and if so what are they doing about it.
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    stupid me figured it out. Completely forgot about Penthouse Executive Club. DUH
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    DIVA- Business was "off that week because the stock
    market was down"?????? No, no, no! Scores West has yet to take off at all and I doubt that it will. There is too
    much competition and both dancers and customers are
    getting wise to the "real world of Scores". That "steering" incident you witnessed should not have surprised you at all. It goes on all the time at Scores.
    The dancers who benefitted from the host's "intervention" probably kicked back to him. That's
    been going on at Scores for YEARS!!!

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    The dancers who benefitted from the host's "intervention" probably kicked back to him. That's
    been going on at Scores for YEARS!!!

    I don't think this is exclusively a Scores set up. I've seen it go on at many a club. You take care of the Host he looks to take care of you. You take care of a bartender they take care of you. It's just the old adage "You rub my back I'll rub yours." I'm not saying this to defend the practice but just to say it goes on often in many businesses.

    Just my 2cents on that. LOL

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