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    PEC is NOT NUDE. . .its a show club. . . w/all the bells and whistle's. . . . I love it here, and always bank. . . Although i will say this IF you are NOT competitive, do NOT work here . . . but BELIEVE ME when i SAY this . . . it is well WORTH being this way to make the $$$$ we do. . . their are clique's . . . and i will be honest . . . if i have the one who's paying and you are not part of my group. . . i will make my customer remove and replace u . . . all of us are like that. . . but the girls in your "group" work together . . . in conjunction with host's, doormen, and champagne girls. . . . i will find out what's here, and what's coming so i can have my "group" on them first. . . it's all politics here. .

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    you will make the customer "remove and replace you" is so rude and catty. customers don't like catty women and just may "remove and replace" you! that's fu--ed up Sitara. if i was at a table with customers and you told them to get rid of me-- we would have a HUGE problem-- never mess with a girls cash flow. what goes around.....

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    i had a feeling that what i said might have some negitive feedback. . . i was telling the truth. . .that's what was asked about PEC. . . do u think that this policy is just upheld by me? NO. . . this is STANDARD! FROM EVERYGROUP and HOST'S special girl's! and what i mean by not "being on the team" or "group" is a girl who does not know how to push a room and/or who is not "cool" with the other members of the your personal circle. . . thats why we have clique's. . . and i dont even go to a table where a different group has the majority because i know how it works. . i dont mean to sound rude. . . but that is the politics of PEC. . . like it or not. .

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    That is how it is at alot of upper tier stripclubs. Customers get attached to a certain clique of girls and spend money exclusively on them. And most girls that I know truly run in packs when it comes to working at certain clubs like 5 deep so that everyone has everyones back and everyone washes everyones hand. If a customer doesn't want a dance from me guess what I'll recommend one of my girlfriends and vice versa. Keep the money in the family! It does get catty at times but if thousands of dollars are at stake people tend to get super competitve.

    In a way that is why a site like this is good you get to 'network' with girls at different clubs so you may have an 'in' when you start somewhere.

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    Well...

    I can see why Sitara is like this. In my experiences working in NYC, I have found out that not a lot of dancers follow "dancer etiquette". A dancer that is not your friend or who doesn't know you may bad-mouth you to a customer, tell them you are married, a drug addict, etc. They may also try to "take over" a table...offer the guy more by way of better dances, or tell him they will charge him less even!
    It's unfortunate, but a lot of upscale clubs tend to have bitchy women like this, who for some reason just can't get along with one another, and are EXREMELY competitive and jealous. Usually, unless you are a really good hustler, and have a don't fu** with me attitude, the girls will sometimes tend to try to run all over you this way if you are new or travelling from out of town. Unfortunately, some of them don't even give someone the benefit of the doubt before taking this course of action (meaning they will try to run you off a table if they think you even MAY do something to hurt their money). I've seen girls do this to one another in NYC and in Chicago. Usually, every other place I've been - girls are not this catty and immature..and are able to work together. Not really any kind of cliques or groups...everyone just seems to get along with most everyone else.
    I think what Sitara meant by her post...was that the best defense is often the best offense. Judging by her actions in the past...such as telling girls about the club, how to get hired, how to work there, etc. it doesn't seem as though she's the type that would be mean to someone just because she's new or who would try to get someone away from the table who seemed to be totally playing by the rules. But I guess I'll let her answer that for herself! lol

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    I understand the politics of clubs and all, this has been my life for 4 years alright, in NYC BTW. So this is not new to me. but as for me, that would not happen at all. If there is a guy not sitting with a girl and his friends are all with girls, he is fair game and no GIRL is gonna tell me to get lost. If the guy turns me down, whatever, that's fine I will leave with no problem. but i will be damned if some dancer embarasses me and tells me to leave, especially in front of others- namely customers. that dancer will have serious shit to pay--but not in front of the guys of course.I have worked in several of NYC's top clubs and never had this issue with girls, hosts are one thing but the girls should stick together and not be nasty bitches who are jealous of other pretty girls being around. Because next time that important customer comes in, I'm going in full court press to convince him how I am much better company than the catty girl "what's her name?" understand?

    Girls be careful who you Fuck with, especially if you don't know them. just relax and we will all ride the happy train to money land.

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    Brittany, you are trueabout this happeneing in chicago too.I cant compare pec to vip in chicago because I never worked tere but I saw this first hand in chicago,mostly with the vip host. If you werent in with him you werent aloud in the room.Thank god after a year or two of being their I gotin good with him from a few excellent tips but until then I went through hell and lost out on thousands per night because of this.This happens in very high end clubs,were the money making potential is in excess of 1-3 thousand plus per night.I have worked in other upscale clubs were money potentail was still good but no were near the posible 2-3 a night and you didnt deal with this.Money equals greed pure and simple.Its ahme what people will do to one another to achieve this kind of money.

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    I've seen this clique type thing happen often in the bigger money days for dancing, ie, late 1990's. My question is: how does one become a part of this "clique" or "working team"? I would have no problem with a group strategy, but what would I have to do to sign on? I've always worked alone. Anytime a girl wanted to team up with me, I often left her behind in my dust, not rudely or purposefully. Just curious..........

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    oh, and to add another comment based on Sitara's post. she seems awfully content in being in a "group". A true Diva shines alone and the others hope to get close enough to smell her aroma--fuck a clique or group,that needs validation from others to feel needed, wanted, loved, appreciated , whatever. Grow up and stop relying on others to feel important. That, by the way to others not from NYC, is not how things are done here, just in Sitara's needy inner circle, usually the girls are welcoming to new faces because it keeps customers coming. Guys get tired of the same 5 girls "blah, blah, blahing" about the same shit week after week, new blood is appreciated at most places. Usually hosts like to work with beautiful women regardless of who they are friends with.



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    Tinkle- you take what i say at another level. In not "needy, or "immature". . . i work very well. . i have a main partner (my cousin) and several other grls that we work with. . depending on what my customers friends want. .also we will never tell a girl to leave but we can get her removed from a table- ex: my customer is going to pay for the room, he has two friends. . . one girl from the three is not part of the "network" and the guy wants something else, ill ask him and find one of my girlfriends for him. . . when we move into the room we tell the host that she is bing replaces with ***, and he tells you your not wanted. . . . . As far as "wanting to belong" . . . 9 times out of 10 it is she or i who lead the group. . . my other girlfriends see us at a table. . they know how we work. . . and pass by with that "look". . . if im noding they sit down. if not. . . then they know that its not worth it. . . and they do the same for me. . .im not mean on purpose.. . . if i see a new girl i talk to her; to she what type of worker she is. . if she is aggressive. . . ill work with her. . . Ebony and Brittany truly got what i said. Kathrine- Groups help you out. . . its like having 10 people working for you instead of 1. . . its just smarter. . . i had the same problem as you. . . i could never work with girls until i came to PEC. . .the true money makers are highly motivated. . . find a girl that your cool with. . . who has the same working style as you. . . my cousin and i can look at each other and know exactly what the other is thinking. . we have our own language. . .

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    Sitara
    I appreciate your honesty but I'm curious as to why you'd cut a girl off. Is it because there would be extra in the room and you're not sure if that girl gives extra or you don't want her to see the extra so word don't get out? Perhaps you loosing the spotlight? because of the way she looks? cut you off in the past? does the girls you help gives you money? or an ungratefull bitch who didn't appreciate you helpng them previously? That I can understand, some girls are just users. I sure hope race has nothing to do with it. Lots of times my customers would bring clients to entertain and ask me to get some hot girls and I would ask the guys what they like ( black, blond, asian, spanish, big tits, great ass, great legs, tall, petite, natural breast, glamour make-up or natural look and so on, if he has no preference I'll get girls who aren't busy or someone who's helped me in the past. I think if a guy likes a girl she should not be replaced. If she has bad breath, too much perfume or a catty bitch then okay. I think it's best to be nice to all and give everyone a fair chance because karma is a bitch. No one is better than anyone and variety is good. Lets all be professional, kind and curtious and make the club a happy environment so guys will always come back for more fun entertainment. Enough politics..............
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    Right on, Diva!
    I applause you , as usual!...
    Imagine : two great looking black chicks-YOU and Sitara, and ...man, what a different working styles! I worked with you in the past together , so i know you how awesome,helpful and fair you are towards your co-workers. ... And something i've mentioned to Kid about Sitara's style, which is , again, i can't reveal online, but i've witnessed it in PEC one night being there with a great customer and miss Sitara tried to get in the room with him by hustling her friend/dancer who were going to the room with us...Would you believe that shark?...Ha-ha... " Work smarter, not harder"-Sitara's favorite quote...Exept she did not know that night that she was not included in CR to begin with and my customer had lay out the whole scenario with me and another girl from PEC...Pretty shameless of her, isn'it? I would never offer myself for "would you like one more girl in a room? "business in front of ...female customer,especially.
    God bless her for making a bank, however thank God it's not my style. I'd rather work alone or with a very few chosen and greatful girls than have a bunch of shallow needy ones,who consantly kissing Sitara's behind...

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    All I can say is dont trust anyone even if they help you out on here. I have been removed fron this so called group when I was about to get into a room because I dont do extras - they probably were too embarressed to do extras in front of me. Its bad business to remove a girl you dont like everyone needs to make money not just the "your" friends.

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    Thanks Precise for your kind words.
    Chrissy one of my favorite quote is usually trust no one have no friend and you won't get hurt and by that I meant even your closest friend you work with will stab you in the back just for money. Had it happen at VIP and those 2 girls lost a good friend for life, dancing is just a means to an end. From my experience when a girl is cut off from champagne room is because there's usually extras. But to each it's own!... Let's make the clubs a happy and safe fun environment for all to work as a team of entertainers and not evil bitches. It's a wonderfull feeling when you look forward to going to work than dreading to deal with unpleasant situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg116340#msg1163 40 date=1086081321
    Well...

    I can see why Sitara is like this. In my experiences working in NYC, I have found out that not a lot of dancers follow "dancer etiquette". A dancer that is not your friend or who doesn't know you may bad-mouth you to a customer, tell them you are married, a drug addict, etc. They may also try to "take over" a table...offer the guy more by way of better dances, or tell him they will charge him less even!
    It's unfortunate, but a lot of upscale clubs tend to have bitchy women like this, who for some reason just can't get along with one another, and are EXREMELY competitive and jealous. Usually, unless you are a really good hustler, and have a don't fu** with me attitude, the girls will sometimes tend to try to run all over you this way if you are new or travelling from out of town. Unfortunately, some of them don't even give someone the benefit of the doubt before taking this course of action (meaning they will try to run you off a table if they think you even MAY do something to hurt their money). I've seen girls do this to one another in NYC and in Chicago. Usually, every other place I've been - girls are not this catty and immature..and are able to work together. Not really any kind of cliques or groups...everyone just seems to get along with most everyone else.
    Quote Originally Posted by TinkleLinkle link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg116715#msg1167 15 date=1086164293
    oh, and to add another comment based on Sitara's post. she seems awfully content in being in a "group". A true Diva shines alone and the others hope to get close enough to smell her aroma--fuck a clique or group,that needs validation from others to feel needed, wanted, loved, appreciated , whatever. Grow up and stop relying on others to feel important. That, by the way to others not from NYC, is not how things are done here, just in Sitara's needy inner circle, usually the girls are welcoming to new faces because it keeps customers coming. Guys get tired of the same 5 girls "blah, blah, blahing" about the same shit week after week, new blood is appreciated at most places. Usually hosts like to work with beautiful women regardless of who they are friends with.
    I couldn't have said this better. Diva has a point too.
    Penthouse seems to be heading in the direction of the GGR situation Kid mentioned on this post. Watch yourselves girls. Diva has a point about the extras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissy link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg117360#msg1173 60 date=1086276336
    All I can say is dont trust anyone even if they help you out on here. I have been removed fron this so called group when I was about to get into a room because I dont do extras - they probably were too embarressed to do extras in front of me. Its bad business to remove a girl you dont like everyone needs to make money not just the "your" friends.
    Chrissy,

    Are you saying that Sitara and her friends did this to you at work? Or was it another group of girls there?

    And I must say that Diva is right on about how girls should always work together, leave the politics at home, give everybody a chance, and make the club a great place for customers to come back to. Hopefully some club will make you a host someday Diva! LoL! It would be nice to have a host that wasn't only concerned with their favorite girls making money, or how much money and favors were coming their way, and who was kind, courteous, and fair.

    And I have to also agree with the fact that usually when girls are excluded from a group going into the CR, it's because the girls are going to try to get away with extras, or because the other girls have "under-sold" the girl that is being excluded in hopes of keeping the money in their group, and/or getting him as a regular. ( They think that if so-and-so is going to charge $500...and they charge $400...not only will the customer/s get rid of the "outsider" but the guy/s will return and ask for them since it seemed like they got such a deal last time).

    And I'm not saying that I think this is what Sitara must be doing (I've never met her). She may just be trying to protect herself from other girls who would do this sort of stuff to her or bad-mouth her to customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deliela link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg117486#msg1174 86 date=1086293273

    I couldn't have said this better. Diva has a point too.
    Penthouse seems to be heading in the direction of the GGR situation Kid mentioned on this post. Watch yourselves girls. Diva has a point about the extras.
    What do you mean by that Deliela? I happen to work at ggr and have never seen extras (and wouldnt ever do it) BUT there is mention of some. Does it happen? Im inclined to say yes because it happens in EVERY club.
    But if I'm not mistaken, I think your saying how the girls at these "upscale" clubs hate any contact dancers, yet they offer extras and maybe even sex in the VIP rooms. (hypocritical bitches)

    I dont understand why someone would deliberately "REMOVE" someone from a room? Hiding something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg117635#msg1176 35 date=1086313997
    But if I'm not mistaken, I think your saying how the girls at these "upscale" clubs hate any contact dancers, yet they offer extras and maybe even sex in the VIP rooms. (hypocritical bitches)

    I dont understand why someone would deliberately "REMOVE" someone from a room? Hiding something?
    I think it should be pointed out that MOST of the girls at these clubs don't offer extras ..of course some are going to as it happens in any club that there will be some girls who break the rules. And it doesn't necessarily make it suspicious that girls are trying to exclude other girls from the CR. Greed, jealousy, competition, and "Protecting" one's own can also come into play.
    And the only club where I've ever heard girls putting down girls from contact clubs was in Chicago (a lot of the girls there didn't like us because we were from Texas contact clubs) and even here it was just a select few doing the bad-mouthing on this subject. Girls I ran into in NYC didn't seem to care where we were from...at least that's what it seemed like on the surface.

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    Lexi
    I meant that there's talk about a fight and girls jumping a girl at your club mention on this board in regards to another club out there in NJ. I don't know either clubs because I stay in manhattan. How-ever the point is having a girl remove can turn into a fist fight period. The extras does go on in every club period. Weather you or any other dancer does it is their business. I just think every dancer should have a fare chance to make money $$$ period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg117635#msg1176 35 date=1086313997
    Quote Originally Posted by Deliela link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg117486#msg1174 86 date=1086293273

    I couldn't have said this better. Diva has a point too.
    Penthouse seems to be heading in the direction of the GGR situation Kid mentioned on this post. Watch yourselves girls. Diva has a point about the extras.
    What do you mean by that Deliela? I happen to work at ggr and have never seen extras (and wouldnt ever do it) BUT there is mention of some. Does it happen? Im inclined to say yes because it happens in EVERY club.
    But if I'm not mistaken, I think your saying how the girls at these "upscale" clubs hate any contact dancers, yet they offer extras and maybe even sex in the VIP rooms. (hypocritical bitches)

    I dont understand why someone would deliberately "REMOVE" someone from a room? Hiding something?
    I meant to put this post with
    Lexi & Deliela's post, I think this is what Deliela meant, I believe there was talk about 2 NJ clubs ( GGR & DD ) with girls fighting don't know if it had anything to do with removing girls from table or bad mouthing anyone or jealousy ? But I've seen fight with girls in so called clique. It went as far as one attacking the other while she was on main stage in just her bikini at Vip Club and it was over a customer. Can you imagine the show the customers got? do you think they enjoyed it? It looks really bad on the club. That's sad.... That's why it's best to be professional and don't act like animals unless you're in bed having sex..... well then let loose.
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    You can never truly understand everything until you work here. . . and chrissy, i dont mean to be evil. . . but you where removed because the guy said he thought your breasts where to big. . (the skin between them hangs down from the weight of them) and your a cold dancer (no passion/feeling/ desire in your movements) not because "we didnt want to do extra"s in front of you" . . .you just like to say that to justify the fact that you where switched up with one of my friends. . . AGAIN like i said. . . i did not say that to be mean. . . only the truth. . . I find it so funny that a good number of you oppose my style. . .although it works perfectly for me and others have witnessed it. . .
    Quote Originally Posted by Adina link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg93532#msg93532 date=1081368840
    I wonder why TheKid is so preoccupied with flame-baiting Sitara...he is certainly living up to his name. I met Sitara, albeit briefly, and not only is she stunning, she is very helpful. I am not looking for a job now, but I appreciated her forthcomingness nonetheless. I think Sitara is very good at her job - management certainly seems pleased with her otherwise why has she always been upstairs the 3 times I've been to PEC?

    Let's let this thread die and stop beating a dead horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissy link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg117360#msg1173 60 date=1086276336
    I have been removed fron this so called group when I was about to get into a room because I dont do extras - they probably were too embarressed to do extras in front of me.

    I've had the exact same experience, Chrissy! At my old club, high milage was the norm, so I was "excluded" or worked out of rooms on several occasions because I would never negotiate. I never promise things to customers to get them into a room (or ever consider giving extras), whereas many other girls did. Not how I work.

    While working in groups has definite pluses, I find that the drama that comes with it involves too much hassle. It's strip club drama that I can definitely do without, so I'd much rather work by myself. That way at the end of the day I don't owe anyone anything.

    My, how this thread has digressed!
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    I never danced for him ??? How would he know my movements are cold??? I just started to talk to him because he pulled me over. I had a 5 minute conversation with him and he loved me. I was the first girl there becuase his whole group told Edward to go downstairs and get me. Why would they go through all that trouble to get me and say that they love me and then all of a sudden turn cold towards me. Something was said to him to turn him off.

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    Wow this thread has really deteriorated. What was the original subject of this post?
    To much internal conflicts going on here. I feel like I'm in a dressing room.


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    Default Re:Auditioning in NYC (PEC? Scores?)

    Quote Originally Posted by TinkleLinkle link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg116218#msg1162 18 date=1086055378
    you will make the customer "remove and replace you" is so rude and catty. customers don't like catty women and just may "remove and replace" you! that's fu--ed up Sitara. if i was at a table with customers and you told them to get rid of me-- we would have a HUGE problem-- never mess with a girls cash flow. what goes around.....
    This is the reason to be fare with other dancers, things can get out of controll real fast. Yes this is the facts about PES & Scores. You have this information before auditioning. There aren't any real clique's at scores but it happens here too.
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