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    I just started dancing and im pretty upset. I went into this thinking it was easy. I look very nice have tons of neon dance clothes Most would consider me highly attractive and a few have told me I should be dancing at a more upscale club. The problem is im not to creative on stage i don't do the pole and don't go on the floor much. I just dance exotically around the pole against it stick my butt out a lot. I don't know I really enjoy doing this but when i watch the other girls its so natural to a lot of them they have tons of dance moves. I was told not to think to much about my moves and just listen to the music but thats pretty hard to do. Can anyone give me a few tips. Some girls have such a great dance routine. I'm starting to dread the ole stage . Its tiny anyway cant move around much it has a small pole. Is this just part of the process of learning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junel13 link=board=27;threadid=7772;start=msg89015#msg8901 5 date=1080444377
    Is this just part of the process of learning?
    Yes. It took me 3 months to dance and even then another 3 months (total 6 months) to slow down a bit and look sexy. Then again I was only doing the dancing twice a week so it took me longer to figure everything out than someone who works 4 or more times a week.

    Have patience with yourself. It is a HUGE learning curve and no one expects you to 'get it' in your first month let alone week.

    I know dancers at my current club who came in with absolutely zero exotic dance experience... it took them up to two months (dancing four times a week) to finally get it and look sexy. It is amazing and you'll be amazed with yourself too.



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    These two replys have been a big help to me . I only dance two days a wk. somedays i think im good other days i think i need some pro lessons. I think part of my problem is when I do watch the experienced dancers i get so consumed in them and start to think omg i wonder what the customers think of me up there there so good! I see some girls with the same routine all the time thats just not me. I try to do something different all the time. I don't mind being on the floor but when i get down there i dont want to look like im exercising lol. im still working on that. I know its part of the process , thanks for your help~.

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    i think you should practice at home in the morror ith your stillettoes on when you have free time and before you know it it will all come naturally and like digital love said instaed of focusing on the moves focus on the men...
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    Junel13,

    I just started dancing myself, I have never danced before anywhere and the pole is not my friend. I cant make my butt pop or any of that stuff.
    I often end up on the floor, I deadly afraid Im going to end up with the nickname "crawler."
    I just try to make as much eye contact as possible, and the dj always says something like "ladies and gentlemen please welcome our newest edition to the club, dont hesitate to go up to the stage and make her feel welcome." I also sit with customer before my sets and let them know Im new, or "stage virgin" as I like to call it.(Anything with the word virgin in it makes them perk up.)
    I only dance three nights a week, so I understand how you feel.
    I have actually learned alot about handle myself on stage by looking from many different views, I asked customers what was their favorite part of a womans body was then I would go onstage, show that part with a lot of slow touching and then look directly at them and smile.
    I also noticed that alot of the dancers move the same way (this was pointed out to me by another dancer) when they first come out they swing around the pole walk to the end of the stage, rub there bodies, sit down on the stage, more touching...(and in the background is like some upbeat techno, but you cant really tell sometimes)
    Ask your DJ and bouncers for ideas they are men and usually have been in the business for a while so they know what guys want to see. Both the DJ and bouncer have been very helpful to me.

    Im sorry that this post was so long I just had so many ideas at once, If you need a life line on anything feel free to PM me. Im new too, so prehaps we can help each other.


    P.S.-Tip the girls while they are on stage, clap for them whatever, many wont mind returning the favor. Double team customers whenever possible.

    Also, when Im trying to get a lapdance, customers seem to keep talking and talking, which I dont mind at all, but I found out a great way to change that when a customer is still going, is to be "hey/omg, I love the song, can I dance for you. It worked for me twice Friday night.

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    I started dancing two months ago (three times a week) and my stage routine still sucks. I've just never been that graceful, and I have a hard time trying to think of new things to do or whatever. I tend to do the same couple things over and over and I feel really boring and bored. I even danced ballet for ten years and I was pretty bad at that the whole time too. I try to sneak peeks at the other dancers and check out what they do but I personally feel uncomfortable when another dancers sits and stares at me while I'm on stage so I try to not do that to other people. I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to steal their routine or something. I would really like to be a good dancer, but honestly from my experience so far it doesn't seem to make much difference if someone's a good dancer or not because I've been making as much money as the girls who are excellent, creative, amazing dancers. Men go into clubs so see hot naked girls and hang out with us, not so much to admire the dancing skills we put into our stage routines.

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    ~Anna you are definetely right about not wanting to steal other girls moves, but you shouldn't feel uncomfortable about girls starring at you. That is your job isn't it?

    ~If you don't want to stare at the girls in your own club I would strongly suggest going to a different club and watching those girls dance for a while. (Make sure to tip)

    ~Its also an easy way to make friends if you compliment another girls dancing and ask her for help on a slow day.

    ~Dancing skills don't matter nearly as much as confidence. If you are super confident in your sexuality you could do the hockey pockey and men would love it!
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    Anna thats me completely. I'm not to creative with my dance moves and i end up doing the same stuff all the time im bored bored bored too. . I see the other girls go up there really workiing it. I just can't seem to get my moves to flow together like theres I want to practice the pole but the customers come in at 11.00 around the time i get in and feel alittle embarrassed.so i dont get to practive that.l You don't know how bad i just want to wing that pole . . Its just frustrating going up on stage and thinking of what your going to be doing . I joke with the other girls but in a sense rather serious telling them I think im just going on stage just sit spread my legs and lick my lips for the whole darn song thehhe. Not to mention , I usually like r & B lately the dj is playing latin music only because i thought it loosened me up alittle It does i don't know i just hope this is part of the process of learning or creating my own style. As far as tips go my table dances are pretty darn good and do real well .

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    I mean lap dances not table dances dahhhhhh

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    June - I completely understand. What GCG says is correct - there IS a huge learning curve. Some girls have been in dance or gymnastics all their lives and so it's easier for them to make the transition. If it makes you feel any better, I was sooooo bad on stage. To make up for it I crawled around a lot and tried to look like I was really naughty - haha. What I found is that everytime I ended up changing clubs, I took some new dance moves with me, until now I have a routine I feel really good about. If you have the opportunity, try dancing at various clubs to learn new moves and bring them back to your home club.

    Yes, if you're a superstar on stage, it'll probably get you dances, but really and truly stage is not that important. Hot lapdances is how you make the $$. Just smile when you are up there and don't strain to do moves you're unsure about. Moving slow and sexy is what most guys like.

    Find what turns you on - like a really sexy song, and when you get up there, try to empty your mind of 'moves' and just get into the song. The sexiest girls on stage are the ones who aren't 'thinking'.
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    I have the exact opposite problem...I'm a powerhouse onstage and draw everyone in the club to it, make hella tips and everything, but i cannot sell a private dance to save my life. I'd always heard that your stage show is sort of a commercial for your PD's, so if everyone in the entire building says i'm the best onstage why am i only making 8 bucks half the times i work?!!! I'm a very high energy stage dancer, but slow and sensual in the private dance room, i guess deep down i know i should slow it down onstage, but dancing wild and crazy onstage is the whole reason i'm a dancer...it makes me feel alive...suggestions please.

    -C
    P.S. I often sell repeat dances to the same customers, so i don't think my private dances are that bad, the problem is i'll only have like 2 customers a night.

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    Charisma.. you love the stage like me. I, too, am one of the best dancers at my current club. Like you, I too will get a whole heap of "you are the best dancer I've seen" yet not alot of lap dances.

    It looks as tho' you might need to do what I did.. tone down what you do on stage a little. What I do on stage at my club is only a third of what I'm capable of doing... it is frustrating however I realised a while ago that my 'showgirl' type of dancing is not appropriate for 'club' dancing.

    Reserve that 'showgirl' type of dancing for competitions and the like. Otherwise, just find ways to 'tone down' your routine so that it is still great yet won't intimidate the audience.

    Where I am it is the audience is generally intimidated by 'showgirls' and hence won't buy dances from them. I know of places where they aren't intimidated by 'showgirls' as they are used to it... so it might depend on the club/locale as well.

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    Find out what moves work best for you and show you off in the right way and do them. Yes, it will get repeative however, as AnnaPDX said "Men go into clubs so see hot naked girls and hang out with us, not so much to admire the dancing skills we put into our stage routines.".

    Unfortunately, this is true of club dancing. You don't need to be a superstar on stage... just find your style and find the moves that show you off the best (show off your body and personality).

    Also.. remember.. there is no such thing as original stripper moves. You may think that something a dancer is doing is original... and I can guarantee you that she is only doing a move that another dancer has done before her. Hence.. there is no such thing as 'stealing' moves. LOL

    Also.. do not be afraid to stare at the other dancers and do not think much of the other dancers staring at you. I know I'm always checking out the new dancers (whether experienced or not) to check out their style or to see if there is a move or something I can try in my own stage routine.



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    I will say it again....your stage show is your marketing/promo materials....consider it a cost that will unmeasurably reap you benefits......


    Stage show means very little if you are not a showgirl/model type......


    Think of it as a sniper accessing the prey...you have a vantage point....find your earnings on stage...don't focus on the pole, most men don't care....if you want to be a "dancer" then audition with the Bolshoi....

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    Well ,I personally dont go on stage,when I travel Iam there to make money and Iam usually busy in vip for 400 an hour I would rather have that then waste 15-20 minutes on stage for 10-20 dollars.You dont need stage for promotion,I have danced 10 years in all upscale clubs all over the u.s. and never go on stage,I usually pay 50-100 to be kept off.Maybe that might be an option for you.If you are super hot,you dont need stage to promote you.

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    Dance routines are overrated - you don't need a good one to make money. Just be friendly and smile a lot. Also in some clubs you make most of your money from having a group of regulars, and that takes a while to establish. Don't worry about trying to copy or compete with anyone else, just be you. Give it time and you'll eventually find your niche. (For example, I once saw a girl lay down face down on the stage fully dressed and wriggle out of all her clothes - it's the best dance I've ever seen.)
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    Well ,I personally dont go on stage,when I travel Iam there to make money and Iam usually busy in vip for 400 an hour I would rather have that then waste 15-20 minutes on stage for 10-20 dollars.You dont need stage for promotion,I have danced 10 years in all upscale clubs all over the u.s. and never go on stage,I usually pay 50-100 to be kept off.Maybe that might be an option for you.If you are super hot,you dont need stage to promote you.
    Also a good point. I like to get to work mid-shift, do one early stage set around 6pm so I can scope the after-work crowd. That is always only ONE stage rotation that early, so its about 7-8 minutes max....this often gets me an early VIP, which takes me off the stage for the rest of the night.....those nights is where earnings are max and I don't have to pay to be offstage, and my muscles get a little warmup.....

    Michelle, don't you think that sometimes, when the patrons aren't "biting", that getting onstage will get you maximum exposure?

    ....if I'm not earning, and I do a stage set, it usually puts me back in VIP, or at least making more money......

    ...and not everyone is super hot like you chica, gotta do what you can to sell.....meow!

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    Hi,
    every dancer feels that way when they started dancing... My advise is to make sure that you get some sexy shoes! 4-6 inch high heels and preferably stileto-heel. That will make your posture different. That was what made me feel confident. The shoes they make the striper be complete ! At first you maybe feel wierd like you can't move but after little while you feel the transformation.
    Good luck! make lots of$$$$.
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    Katrine, not in the upscale show clubs that I work in.It doesnt really matter who goes on stage,they men just dont pay much attention.Now when I worked in florida at a more neighborhood type of club were there is no vip room,than it did help a bit because the guys are more fixated on the stage,ie cheaper patrons get more of a thrill from the stage then white collar business men,they just dont seem to care much about the stage or who is on it.

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    Junel if that is you in the picture you may want to search for the thread about being two beautiful to make money. Men are really intimidated by your beauty so you probably have to have a sweet innocent girl act for a lot of men. It just sounds like a confidence problem here. You also shouldnt' be afraid to practise in front of the men. Its kind of like when a man watches a woman undressing in the other room through a crack in the door or a well placed mirror. They think they are watching something private so they will be very intrigued by you concentrating on your moves and may want to experience your moves later.
    I would also suggest playing up to each audience member one at a time like others have suggested. I try to make eye contact and try out a different move for each move.
    Whats the worst that could happen if you get experimental on stage. After all the songs only last a couple minutes and no one will remember after that.

    Charisma may be having the same problem, possibly your stage show rocks but you make weird faces without realizing it. Maybe you seem unhappy or intimidating to the men. The only way you are going to make money is to hustle. Who cares if you get turned down or make a fool of yourself, you are a gorgeous stripper. Men fantasize about women like you all the time so take charge and let those guys know that you want to dance for them.
    If you don't think this advice makes sense maybe you are at the wrong club or the other girls are sabototoging your business.
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    I found that when I go on stage, I get more dances. It may be because I am still new at the club and it gets me seen. There are a lot of guys there that don't know me. Last time I got off stage, there were 4 guys waiting for dances from me and I took 2 up to VIP.

    The only time I don't go on stage is when I am in VIP; I will not turn down the stage after that. It's my marketing tool and I WANT people to see me. Besides...there may be that ONE guy there that doesn't know you are working, and he sees you onstage and then spend his whole $500 on you because he liked the way you danced on stage...and then he like talking with you.

    As for the actual stage performance. It's not really about moves, but about attitude. Are you having fun up there? Are you enjoying yourself? Are you enjoying your music? That is what people respond to. At my new club, it's not really a big "stage club", but when I dance, I make no less than $15 per set. When other girls get up there, they make about $2. It's not luck and it's not good timing. It's attitude. People come up to the stage and tip me because they see that I am having a good time and I am enjoying myself and my music...in turn, they enjoy themselves. So, the moves...forget about them...just move slow, sexy, sensually, and ENJOY yourself. Who cares about the rest? It's all just icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherDaisy link=board=27;threadid=7772;start=msg89285#msg8928 5 date=1080529297
    ~If you don't want to stare at the girls in your own club I would strongly suggest going to a different club and watching those girls dance for a while. (Make sure to tip)

    ~Dancing skills don't matter nearly as much as confidence. If you are super confident in your sexuality you could do the hockey pockey and men would love it!
    Another suggestion is to go into your club an hour before your shift in your street clothes. See if you can get permission to get a table in a corner somewhere so you can look around the club a lot without portraying that you are working at that time.

    Daisy is right though. Self confidence = wealth. That will build in time. There are two types of people in the world though...those that stick their foot in the swimming pool to see if it's warm or cold, or those that just jump right in. You need to be the "jump right in" type if you want to get good fast. You've made it this far, now start experimenting a bit more outside your comfort circle. The faster you do it, the easier it will get. Stage work is fine, but that's not where your real income is going to come from. You need to start working the floor more, especially if it's a busy club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele link=board=27;threadid=7772;start=msg89535#msg8953 5 date=1080583574
    Well ,I personally dont go on stage,when I travel Iam there to make money and Iam usually busy in vip for 400 an hour I would rather have that then waste 15-20 minutes on stage for 10-20 dollars.You dont need stage for promotion,I have danced 10 years in all upscale clubs all over the u.s. and never go on stage,I usually pay 50-100 to be kept off.Maybe that might be an option for you.If you are super hot,you dont need stage to promote you.
    This isn't true in all cases, and it is certainly true in most. We actually teach in our classes why it is bad idea to go on stage and avoid it at all costs depending on the type of club you are in. We actually do a comparison with an average dancer, working a 4 day a week shift goin on stage and off and the dollar amount made extra each night is astounding when added up over the course of a year. It's thousands upon thousands of dollars. I always tell dancers that unless you are hands-down the absolute best dancer on stage in your club, it's a waste of time. The "advertising" theory is quite a myth in almost all cases.

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    June 13, I can tell you work at a small club. How many dancers work on your shift? In that type of club staying off stage is not an option.

    I would not focus on you stage sets. Just get up there, smile and give eye contact to the guys at the tip rail and on the floor, but while on stage notice who on the floor is watching you and as soon as you get off stage do not go in the dressing room, go to that customer and sell him dances.

    Dancing in MOST clubs is not about the stage anymore. it is about being a good salesperson. Your money is made selling dances.

    In small clubs and I have worked a lot of them you may have to learn how to sell guys dances while you are on stage as you cannot approach guys for dances who are sitting at the tip rail when you are working the floor.

    Don't worry about the pole. I have never used a pole in 15 years of dancing. Just get comfortable approaching every customer and learning to talk them into buying dances. Don't take no for an answer.

    Good luck.

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    If thats yout picture you should do really well!! Maybe you should try a gown club thats upscale. At an upscale club you dont need a stage routine and there is no pole work allowed- actually no evens look at you on stage. Most of the girls just walk back and forth.

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    Thank you girls for your advice. I hadn't thought of it those ways before and think it'll really help. You're all awesome! I love StripperWeb!

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