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    Default vote: bush vs kerry

    i just wanna see what dancers (and the like) think.......... tips and the economy are very important to us so we will have a diffrent veiw then people who get salery......... (and this way we can say something without saying something....)

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    I haven't been following politics as of late so I can't make a decision yet. I heard that the Green party is supporting Kerry though.

    Are there any websites that break down all the candidates fairly, and that's easy to understand? I dont know who stands for what and what their platforms are.

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    it's a struggle, "who is gonna fuck me least?"
    I made about ten grand more a year when clinton was in office. I can only judge by the economy and the global temperature of our relationships. I won't make desparaging comments about bush, because I know that just opens a can of worms, but if I had to choose today, it would be Kerry
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacKenzie link=board=1;threadid=8158;start=msg94956#msg94956 date=1081650022
    I haven't been following politics as of late so I can't make a decision yet. I heard that the Green party is supporting Kerry though.

    Are there any websites that break down all the candidates fairly, and that's easy to understand? I dont know who stands for what and what their platforms are.
    This site helps alot on some of the issues, like the economy and Iraq: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4448630/

    The problem is that that site does not mention each candidate's stand on other issues, like gay marriage, womens issues and such that are important to me. But I can pretty much guess those for myself...

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    yea.. when he was pres, the money was flowing(clinton)
    What is the deal with that?

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    I'm voting for Kerry. I've just had enough of G.W. and his craziness.

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    ok.i voted bush.. but i would like some imput on why everyone is voting kerry!!!!

    to tell you the truth, id choose someone else if i could.

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    Personally I cast my vote for "Pikachu" because I don't have much faith left in any Politicians,they all seem to lie and participate in corruption if you ask me!

    And I personally think Pikachu is much cuter than any Politician I have ever seen!

    Oh and I think that everybody might be voting Kerry because he seems the lesser of two evils so to speak "maybe"!?
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    If anyone blames the economy on Bush.......please go and do some research, and stop listening to what the politicans have told you.

    The economy was starting to tank in late 1999, early 2000. By mid 2000 we were at the beginning of a recession and just now are looking to come out of it.

    The presidents controlling the economy is one of the biggest falsities ever. They might cause it to go up and down a bit........but they don't have that much control
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    Well......is this good enough???

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    Why anyone would vote to re-elect Bush is beyond me, does the fact that mislead us into to this mess in Iraq not scare anyone else, how are you going to believe anything else this guy says going forward? Do you honestly believe we are safer from terrorism now than we were before this Iraqi mess? I don't, all he has done is create more hatred for Americans abroad. I also think he is much too beholden to the religious right, just look at all this crap going on with FCC as an example, scary, don't be naive and think that can't have a backlash on the SC industry, shit falls down hill afterall. Back to the economy, I think damn right Bush can be held accountable, let's see 4 years of Bush Sr and we had a crap economy, 8 years of Clinton and we had a great economy, 3 years of George Jr's economy (which is much the same as George Sr's) and surprise surprise crap economy again, does anyone else see a pattern there? Obviously much is beyond his control but there are things that can be done and he hasn't done anything but give tax breaks to his super rich buddies. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now.

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    So Richard..........with your 'logic' then........Bush is to thank for the economy coming back up on it's feet. Go back and read what you said.......cause that is surely what your saying.

    No president has that effect on the economy. Hell........Alan Greenspan has more power over the economy then our presidents do! Economic indicators across the world, world events, trade, taxing, etc.......have more power over the economy then our president. To blame Bush for these problems......well.........is just plain silly.

    Like I said above.....I don't like some of the things that Bush has done, I liked what Kerry had said in some of his interviews........but Kerry......also scares the crap out of me with some of the comments that he has released/said.

    Where is Jesse Ventura when you need him!
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    Well......is this good enough???

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    to tell you the truth, id choose someone else if i could
    I'm in complete agreement with you on this one ! However, America had it's chance with a different path courtesy of Ross Perreau, and passed it up.

    Where is Jesse Ventura when you need him!
    John McCain and Jesse Ventura should team up for a 3rd party presidential run IMHO !


    But before deciding on the least of the evils, be aware that our news media is not exactly open and objective in regards to coverage of the candidates. The mainstream media decides which stories the American people should hear about (as well as those stories which should be "buried"), The mainstream media also decides how relatively important a story needs to be, making mountains out of molehills on some occasions and making molehills out of mountains at other times. Because of this it's extremely difficult to come up with objective information on which to base your voting decision based on what the candidates are REALLY like (versus what the mainstream media wants you to believe they are like).

    One of the relative objective news sources can be found at . Matt Drudge drudges up the goods on both candidates as well as a host of other controversial issues. It's also helpful to see how the non-objective media portrays candidates and issues i.e. versus . Somewhere in the middle lies the truth I guess. It's also interesting to see how the "foreign" press reports US stories, because in many cases the "spin" is very different. is an interesting place to start.

    On the issue of Islamic Terrorism, I would recommend researching the history of British PM Neville Chamberlain, who managed to achieve "peace in our time" ... for about a year - at which point all of Europe was plunged into all-out war. History teaches that when fanatics are involved, they cannot be successfully bargained with or trusted !

    I'll even go one step farther and state my own opinion that, given the present governments of Arab countries, the only way that the middle east will truly cool off and the only way that the US will not be a constant terrorist target is if the middle east actually gets what they have been trying to get since 1948 - the end of Israel with Palestine returned to the Arabs. I doubt that Dubya, John Kerry or any other candidate could survive selling out the Jewish community (i.e. lobby) in the US by changing to a "neutral" non-supportive policy towards Israel a la France or Germany, then standing by while every middle eastern country bands together to push the Israelis into the sea (as they have tried to do twice before).

    On the issue of the economy, I would remind you that trends and changes in the economy do not materialize in a week or a month or a single year. To be honest, much of the economic downturn of 1999-2000 was set in motion by economic changes which occurred several years earlier .... too much consumer debt encouraged by too easy credit - way too much investment by businesses and individuals in the telecom industry - changes in corporate law and stock market rules which made long term approaches by corporations expensive and unattractive but made short term results THE major goal etc.

    If you research a little history you'll find that almost exactly the same trend developed 150 years ago with the advent of railroads, with almost exactly the same negative results. Government couldn't fix the problem instantly back then, and it still can't no matter who's in office. However, IMHO, cutting taxes definitely made the aftermath of the 1999-2000 downturn much less severe than it otherwise might have been.

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    We are currently in World War III, with the US led coalition against terrorists and terrorist states. This war was declared September 11th by the terrorists. If you agreed with President Bush when he stood on the rubble with the firefighter and said we will hunt down all terrorists and gave the warning to nations supporting terror that they are against us if they continue. My feeling is if you agreed with him then you should agree with him now. Nothing has changed in my mind. War sucks but they started it, and I don't think kerry has the fortitude to stay the course.

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    Melonie, your post was concise and on the money! Regarding the Middle Eastern mess, Id take your "one step" even one step further. Even if we somehow managed to change our governmental policies to a more neutral stance regarding Israel and the Palestinians, I dont believe the Islamic terrorists would back off. Its a war of cultures and their ultimate goal is our total destruction. The most appeasement would acheive would be a short lull while they celebrated their victory.

    I dont think anyone would deny that the economy was "better" during the Clinton administrations. My business was booming and you had to being totally inept not to make money. But, you know, the whole time we were flying high I had this sinking feeling that at some point somebody was going to stuff the genie back in the bottle. For my business, it started in early 2000 when corporations starting cutting back significantly in their capital expenditures. Fortunately, there was enough pressue in the pipeline to keep things going for a few months longer but it was apparent what was happening. I believe the business crash would have occured regardless of who was elected in November 2000.

    Here we sit nearly four years later. In some respects the economy has improved this past year. However, my business is tied closely to the manufacturing sector which has not come back significantly. Jobs continue to be exported to China and other third world countries. The good news is Americans can enjoy in the influx of inexpensive goods (try to purposefully buy a Made in USA product...its tough). On the other hand, by eliminating well paying manufacturing sector jobs here, fewer and fewer people can afford to buy anything. Flipping burgers at Micky D's or working at Wal-Mart doesnt pay very well.

    I used to get so pissed reading editorials in the paper extolling the virtues of the US evolving into a "service" economy. Too bad for the manufacturing workers (wink..wink..like newspaper writers are in touch with reality) but those unfortunate souls will just have to be "retrained" for the 21st century realities and learn to live on $6 an hour instead of $20. As Im reading this bullshit Im thinking...are these people nuts? Service jobs are the gravy. Tasty but pretty useless without manufacturing "meat and potatoes" to pour it over.

    There may be a small glimmer of hope, however. Recently, there has been a lot of publicity regarding the "outsourcing" of many of our high tech white collar jobs to India and such. We're talking $100K+ per year jobs that are suddenly gone. People who blissfully spent their money on foreign made goods and didnt think twice about it are taking a step back and reevaluating. Its hard to look down your nose at some shmucky factory worker when youre both standing in the same unemployment line.

    Kerry has been making noise about his plan to penalize corporations for sending jobs overseas. Hes vague about the details, of course, and ultimately you and I will pay for it should some new law go into effect. It plays to the audience well, though. Hes counting on the fact that most Americans dont understand the basic laws of economics. I'll admit though, it gets an emotional reaction out of me too. Ultimately, what is required is a fundamental change in the hearts and minds of Americans. When we go shopping for goods the first thing we should do is discover where that product was manufactured. If it doesnt say "Made in the USA" we should kick it to the curb and find one that does say that. Yes, it may cost a little more or require some searching to find but the payoff over the long haul will more money in our collective pockets. Ive been doing this for the last year and I feel very good about it.

    Dancing is about the most "service" oriented job I can think of Dont think for a minute that whats going on in the trenches doesnt impact the strip club business. Ive heard so many complaints about the clubs being slow and its been going on for a while. If a guys not working or is working in some menial job, its hard to justify paying to see boobies.

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    Kerry, although I'm not excited about him. I was rooting for Wes Clark. I liked a lot of what Kucinich had to say, and it angered me that he was made fun of so much. He's short, so what?

    Don't get me started with the Palestine situation. The Israelis are committing an insiduous form of genocide on those people. The town where I grew up has many Jews and Arabs and they get along, but even a lot of the Jews I know back home think Ariel Sharon is a terrorist and killer. The terrorists are angry because we are trying to be omnipotent and take over everything.

    The economy might not totally be Dubya's fault, but I am appalled at the way "Amurricans" have been passively standing by as we fight illegal wars, have our civil liberties chipped away at, and don't question the torrent of lies coming from these former oil company executives that stand to benefit only them and a select few.

    I urge you to read independent or foreign media. The Guradian, a British newspaper is excellent, and the Brits are our allies! Check Indymedia.org for the REAL news that the Bushies and their corporate cronies are blocking. If you think I'm being paranoid, keep in mind that NBC is owned by General Electric, which manufactures munitions, nuclear weapons and other war supplies and not just light bulbs. Ditto with CBS's owner Westinghouse. Fox is run by Rupert Murdoch a Republican Australian (WTF!?!?!).

    I have also been trying to buy American/Union Made as often as possible. I've been called unpatriotic and worse for my beliefs but I will not back down. My beliefs come from information gathered by me from numerous sources, not what some network bleached-blonde failed actress talking head tells me.

    I don't blame people for choosing to be ignorant and not seeking out more information. The truth is terrifying.
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    I am not sure yet....I've listened to a few things Kerry has said.

    Which will change as soon as he's elected.

    Bush is interesting......Not as interesting as his father. But still on the same ground of 'odd'.

    Oh well..... The choices seem to be more of,"Who is going to fuck you over less?".....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8158;start=msg95148#msg95148 date=1081700411
    We are currently in World War III, with the US led coalition against terrorists and terrorist states. This war was declared September 11th by the terrorists. If you agreed with President Bush when he stood on the rubble with the firefighter and said we will hunt down all terrorists and gave the warning to nations supporting terror that they are against us if they continue. My feeling is if you agreed with him then you should agree with him now. Nothing has changed in my mind. War sucks but they started it, and I don't think kerry has the fortitude to stay the course.
    I'm sorry, no offense but that is just so funny to me. Bush has a photo op atop the rubble with firefighters and suddenly that means he's doing a good job? He IGNORED the problem of terrorism for 9 months - by ALL accounts they were preoccupied with missile defense (which will cost hundreds of billions and not work) , stem cell research and other "important" matters.

    In fact, when Attorney General Ashcroft presented his top 10 priority list for the Justice Department (pre-9/11) terrorism and security against it wasn't even on the list! This despite the fact that the terrorists had already blown up a US military barracks in Saudi Arabia, simultaneously bombed TWO embassies and nearly sank one of our warships, not to mention the thwarted attempt to blow up LA Airport on New Years 2000. Spare me the "terrorists declared war on 9/11" BS, they declared it long before that, but the government and media was too preoccupied by trivia to give a shit.

    "hunt down all the terrorists"???????? we pulled our forces OUT of hunting Al Quaeda to use them in Iraq, against a country that wasn't actively supporting terrorists, didn't have any active WMD programs and was not a threat. Am I glad Hussein is gone, yes. But there are FAR more pressing matters (like securing global nukes, putting nuclear/chemical/biological detectors at all our ports, securing borders) that are going underfunded because we're spending $200 billion to prop up a country that will fall to pieces as soon as we leave.

    "gave the warning to nations supporting terror that they are against us if they continue:" ???? We have proven that our good buddy Pakistan supplied North Korea, Iran and Libya with assistance and materials to help them make nuclear weapons. Is your tough cowboy going to do something about that, or is he too busy staging hollow photo ops on aircraft carriers and rubble piles.

    As for my vote, I liked Kucinich a lot, as well as Wesley Clarke. And John McCain, although i disagree with many of his views, is amazing. He's one of the few politicians who regularly goes against his own party when he disagrees with something. unfortunately none of them are running...


    Sorry, as you can tell it pisses me off a wee bit - thanks for the chance to vent. Feeling better already. Now, where's my Skyy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by samart link=board=1;threadid=8158;start=msg95138#msg95138 date=1081698628
    So Richard..........with your 'logic' then........Bush is to thank for the economy coming back up on it's feet. Go back and read what you said.......cause that is surely what your saying.
    Huh, please explain your "logic" because that is the exact opposite of what I said. The economy has been horrid under both Bush's and to say that's just a coincidence is a bit far fetched IMHO.

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    Excellent points made by Melonie, FBR, RH, NinaDaisy and Weluckyfew. The thing I hate most is that most people just don't bother to try and learn what's really going on, and just make emotional decisions based on a few snippets from some 'bleached blonde failed actress talking head' - thanks Nina LOL! Or worse yet, take a few photo ops from an elected official spewing some emotionally-charged garbage and run with it. Most Americans live in a world that is just as censored as the old Soviet Union, taking whatever crap they are spoon-fed by the powers that be as the gospel. They close their minds and ignorantly follow whatever figure they find appealing, all the while shaking their heads at foreigners who do the same - like Islamic terrorists and supporters. IMHO, the only difference between many Americans and Islamic terrorists/supporters is which herd they're following! Same mindless following, different 'fanatics' leading.

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    Like edouble, if I have to choose between the two (and there is really no other viable option), it'd be Kerry.

    But just one thing from Mel's statement I'd like to point out: Perot pretty much screwed himself out of the election when he took himself out of the running, then added himself back in later. Whether that was the result of outside pressure is up for debate. But no matter, he resigned himself from the election and when he jumped back on board later, alot of people were not impressed, which showed in the percentage of votes he wound up with. I'd still like to see where that might have gone otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samart link=board=1;threadid=8158;start=msg95110#msg95110 date=1081693950
    If anyone blames the economy on Bush.......please go and do some research, and stop listening to what the politicans have told you.
    Well I agree that we should do our own research instead of listening to propganda. I like to read newspapers and listen to/watch both right and left wing perspectives. It helps me see more of the whole picture. That's why I know Bush needs to go.

    As of today I will be voting for Kerry. I also liked Dean.

    I just don't feel Bush has done good job as President to be given another term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=8158;start=msg95006#msg95006 date=1081658049
    I'm voting for Kerry. I've just had enough of G.W. and his craziness.
    I agree 100%. Well said.
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    " IMHO, the only difference between many Americans and Islamic terrorists/supporters is which herd they're following!"

    Bridge, that is the most perceptive statement I've read in a long time. I'm guilty of it too sometimes, you get swept up in the wave of popular opinion and lose site of the fact that there are thousands of information sources out there

    A recent example is the Howard Dean "scream" after he lost Iowa, the "scream" that popular pundits said made him look to unstable to be president. Turns out the cameras were direct mic'ed from his microphone to filter out the crowd, so this "scream", especially when taken out of context, seemed far more extreme than it was. Saw a home video of the same speech and didn't even notice the scream (and the rest of the speech was clearly audible), and in context it was part of a great speech, just rallying his supporters. you never heard al that on the six o'clock news

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    Of course not. A less maniacal-sounding scream wouldn't have been nearly so 'fun' for the media, and might not have lost him the nomination....

    There are ALWAYS puppeteers behind the workings of mass media.

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    Personally that whole scream debacle just made me think the guy was human and was showing emotion...this may sound stupid,but just on that factor alone he would have secured my vote.

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    This is very tough election.
    While I support Bush for our national security, I am totally against his views on abortion and stem celll research.
    To me our national security is my top concern in this election.
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