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    Could someone please tell me what are the best clubs to work at in San Francisco ?.

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    I depends a lot on your definition of "working" in a San Francisco club. From a purely earnings potential standpoint, Mitchell Bro's and Market Street Cinema probably offer the most potential money. However, the definition of "working" in these clubs doesn't have much to do with dancing.

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    Melonie pretty much nailed it on this one. Figure the lowest mileage San Francisco clubs are generally comparable to some of the highest mileage clubs found elsewhere. A minimum of two-way contact is the baseline standard, with the exception of the Lusty Lady, which is a glass-plate peep show venue.

    The clubs with the least amount of extras (notice I didn't say "no extras"), while still maintaining the ability to make decent earnings would include: Hustlers, Crazy Horse, Centerfolds, and Gold Club. The highest money potential is found at the heavier extras clubs such as Mitchell Brothers, Market Street Cinema and New Century Theatre. SF is a unique dynamic as there is zero fear of busts and the clubs are allowed to operate as they see fit.

    Along with the large money potential comes some of the largest stage fees/tipouts in the country. While this becomes less of an issue over time with popularity, it does mean starting out can be hell on earth. Several of the top earners today were experiencing "out of pocket" tipouts their first few weeks.

    If you live in the area and trying to escape contact/mileage... or if you've never danced before, you may wish to consider the south bay and peninsula strip clubs nearby. While the money potential may only be 1/4 to 1/2 that of the city clubs, they are zero contact and strictly enforced. The hire really groovy bouncers and club security as well.

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    Polecat. Do you recommend and South Bay/peninsula clubs? I have been looking to work at Hustler, but am interested in earnings in lower contact clubs. Could I average about $500 a night at these 0 contact clubs, assuming that is what I average in Houston WITH lots of hustle skills.???

    How far away would those clubs be from California street in San Fran?

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    Some of the better South Bay clubs (all being strictly enforced no-contact):
    http://www.thekitkatclub.com
    http://www.pinkpoodle.com
    http://www.brass-rail.com

    I'm sorry that I don't have more current earnings help, but in the recent past (2003) a $500/avg expectation would have been extremely aggressive/unrealistic in the south bay. I don't see that having changed since. Hopefully someone with more current exposure can ring in. Totally different dynamic in the south bay as tourist and convention traffic is extremely low compared to the city.

    The farthest south bay club, Pink Poodle (also the smallest) is approx 45-50 miles from the heart of SF/California St., 95% of the trip being freeway with no tolls/bridges. Figure about 40-45 minute commute non rush-hour each way (or under). Getting into/out of the city during rush hour, add 45 minutes for that farce.
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    Thanks Polecat! So earnings are very poor in these clubs because customers know they can get much better value at MBOT?

    Please keep sggestions coming, I am headed your way soon SanFran!

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    So earnings are very poor in these clubs because customers know they can get much better value at MBOT?
    Essentially, yes. And this applies to all "suburban" clubs within a 50 mile radius of SF more or less. No extras = very low income.

    You might be able to turn $500 a night for the first week or two at the Gold Club or Hustler ... at least until word gets around amongst the area customers that you don't "deliver" much in the private dance area. Once that happens, you might as well think about moving again if you plan on earning more than $250 a night and don't plan on providing "high mileage".

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    Melonie is essentially correct, although recent economic changes has reduced at least *some* of the customer expectations at Hustler's.

    Surrounding clubs "special dance" rates have fallen well below Hustler's baseline Champagne room rate, which is the only raincoat-friendly area in the club (VIP and floor are public and observed). This pretty much limits it to non-regionally aware, bigger spenders or challenge seekers these days. So any word getting around about "delivery" these days would only be received with "Duh, you paid more for a 50/50 chance?"

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    Hrmm.. all the clubs are nestled within the city, and the farthest span between two of them is like $8 cab fair, so it's kind of a moot point. If commuting in from Treasure Island (or anywhere for that matter), I dump the car off at the closest lot and cab it. This is by far the most sane/productive way to get around in the city.

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    Ugh, I just realized I might have gave the impression that Hustler's Champagne room is "raincoat-friendly"... it's absolutely not and a poor choice of words. It would be more accurate to simply put that the most likely place in the club where such activities could possibly occur would be the Champagne room. Hustler's is not a pro-raincoat establishment by any means as there are plenty of SF clubs openly providing such, as well as less cost prohibitive by current market rates. The club layout is not well suited for this, whereas other clubs nearby (ala booths and curtains) are.
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    This pretty much limits it to non-regionally aware, bigger spenders or challenge seekers these days. So any word getting around about "delivery" these days would only be received with "Duh, you paid more for a 50/50 chance?"
    Sounds JUST like Houston, hehehehehehe!!

    I'm going to SanFran for fun, not just to work, but want to break in my travelin stripper shoes. Since I have a free place to stay in the city, that is where I plan to romp around. I'll take my chances with the mileage. I don't think its worth is to make my friend drive me 2 hours to be a bikini dancer/waitress at The Brass Rail. If I wanted to serve drinks, I can do that here for no $$...I am ready to bank, and am only going to work approx 4 days anyway, long before the secret is out about my lack of errr, bobbleheadedness....

    meow!

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    Katrine,

    You may also want to consider Adult Modeling in SF. Most of the BDSM porn is done there and the money looks good. Try
    www.cybernetentertaiment.com model call to check up on it. That might be a good possibility for you to earn extra income with out doing "extras".

    So it may be worth checking.



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    Hmmmm.....no pictures please, just money!!!!

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    I work in SF at Hustler Club. The earning potential can be very good, but right now we're going through an extremely bad period. I've had some of my worst nights ever in the last month. Things should be picking up in the next 2 weeks or so, with tax season coming to an end.

    I have also worked at Centerfolds. My experience there was less than pleasant. I would not recommend working there.

    Gold Club is also another good bet. Business is better there during the week, since it's close to a high end hotel and a convention center. I know several of the floor hosts there and have worked with the general manager. They, as well as the staff at Hustler, treat the ladies very well.

    It's definitly not true that you have to do extras to make good money in the SF clubs. There are, however, clubs that are known for the fact that you can get anything you want there. Hustler, Gold Club, and Broadway Showgirls are the clubs that you are least likely to be propositioned for extras. These clubs are food/beverage clubs and are topless only. Market Street Cinema, Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre and a few other establishments are well known for the extras that can be bought there. Check out the strip club message board at to get a better insight into which clubs might be right for you.

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    I worked in the South bay clubs several years ago. The South bay is the Sunnyvale /San Jose area aka Silicon Valley. if you were to work there you want to stay no farther away than Fremont which may be a little cheaper housing wise.

    I worked at Hiphugger and Candid Club, both in Sunnyvale. Brass Rail has the best earnings potential. Hiphugger is beer only, the others full bar, bikini bar clubs. No table dancing at Brass Rail. Club busy 7 days and nights a week. You go on 3 or 4 stages and wait tables for 3 songs after your set. Girls CAN make $200-$400 per shift.

    The other 2 clubs aren't as busy and money varies from $50-$350 per shift. Obviously guys will give you money to talk. You must go on schedule in these clubs which sucks and the amount of dancers is controlled and based on seniority for the best shifts.

    Brass Rail has Wet T Shirt contests on wednesdays at 9 and to be hired you have to enter the competition. The manager told me I would be hired but I hate contests and said the hell with it. they take up several hours of my time and I won't work at a club where a contest is required to be hired.

    I need full time work to survive and getting put on schedule 3 days a week isn't going to cut it for me. Then the clubs have a call in schedule and call in girls when one cancels. I am a dancer not a retail store worker.

    That is a quick overview of the clubs in the South Bay. The Bay Area is about a 60-70 mile stretch on each side of SF Bay of connected cities. Not a lot of clubs there for an area of 7 million people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina link=board=4;threadid=8160;start=msg96594#msg96594 date=1081904472
    No table dancing at Brass Rail. Club busy 7 days and nights a week. You go on 3 or 4 stages and wait tables for 3 songs after your set. Girls CAN make $200-$400 per shift.
    A friend of mine recently pulled a shift at the Rail and says that waiting tables is no longer a requirement.

    You are right in that it is the best club in which to make money in the South Bay.

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    What about the Lusty Lady? Anybody have details?


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    I'm probably not the best person to be responding to this, but since nobody else has ...

    The Lusty Lady is not a strip club. It is a "peep show", with girls working behind plate glass. Performances are similar to typical webcam stuff i.e. dildo shows.

    The dancers do not receive direct payment from club customers for shows the way strip club dancers do for private dances (although I believe that some method of direct tipping still occurs). Instead the dancers are considered to be employees and receive a fairly decent hourly wage from the club (I believe something approaching $20 an hour). This paycheck has income taxes and social security withheld, resulting in an actual pay rate after taxes on the order of perhaps $12 per hour ??? As employees, travel and accomodation expenses girls incur to work at this club are NOT tax deductible.


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    Hey Charley,
    I know you were asking about SF clubs, but maybe I could interest you into checking out Sacramento as well. There is only one really good club as far as I know, Gold Club Centerforlds. This time of year is really slow as I'm sure everyone else knows, but in the end of April business will pick up.
    If you are looking for a club where you do not have to do "extras" to make it a good night...then this would be the place. Realisticly, I walk with no less than $300 on a slow night with no regulars. On a good saturday, I walk with $600-$1000. You pay a flat fee for rent at the begining of your shift and tip out your bouncers and dj at the end. All the girls are really nice too, excuse me, most of the girls. If you have any questions let me know.

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    Thanks Mel, I did realize it was a peep show I just currently work with a girl who is from SF and worked there I'm taking a trip up there next month to check it out. I've never worked in that sort of environment before and what the hell it's time for a change albeit a brief one.


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    I'll be there next month too!! Sometime after May 10!!! Yeah!!!!!

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    Regarding the Lusty Lady:

    It's not ALL private shows, they dance as well in a separate room (but still behind glass), and that's where the majority of the hourly income comes from. The girls who choose to do the Private Pleasures booth get a percentage of whatever tips they make in there. There's a set price for different times, but I think the girls can choose how much to charge for different types of shows.

    I think the hourly rate begins at about $12 an hour, but it goes up quickly as long as you don't miss any shifts or come in late or whatever. Last thing I heard the maximum pay was $24 an hour, but I think since then they took a voluntary pay cut because The LL was having financial difficulties.

    I know someone on here works there, hopefully she'll chime in.

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    Hi Everbody. I'm still working at the Lusty Lady in San Francisco. The new hire pay rate for the live stage is $15/hr. Private pleasures is split 45% to the house and 55% to the performer. The maximum pay is now $23/hr, down from $27 a year ago.

    The good news is the club is a true no contact club, but the bad news is we're voting on more pay cuts today (4/16/04). If the new pay cuts are passed, live stage performers will now make 8.75/hr + a share of the weekly profits(if there are any). I've tried to figure out what the average earnings per hour would be if this goes into effect, but without all the financial data, there's now way I can tell. I can tell you this, it should be lower than $20/hr, otherwise it would be seen as a pay raise.

    For those of you thinking about coming out here and working at the LL, here's a few tips on the hiring process.

    1) When I started at the LL it took about two weeks from the time I auditioned to the time I started dancing.

    2) Since turing co-op, new hires are now started as "On call" or are scheduled on shifts that are hard to fill. Most clubs schedule like this, so it's probably no suprise.

    3) Most private pleasure performers average 3 shifts per week(12 hours total). Most would love more hours, but that's all you can get.

    4) You are paid weekly as W-2.

    5) There is a hiring cap on the number of performers on staff. Currently, it stands at 56, but I believe they want to lower it to 50.

    Here's an old post of mine regarding private pleasure earnings.

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/ind...86297#msg86297

    You'll definitely make more money at a mainstream club, but if you like the non contact aspect of peepshows, you'll love the Lusty Lady.

    Keep in mind that gas averages $2.50 a gallon in the city. I saw a place near the marina Safeway selling supreme gas for $2.70!!!

    Kaiya (at the Lusty Lady)

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    Kaiya, glad to see you posting again. If you don't mind, I'd like to reiterate some points you've made about the Lusty Lady as they apply to the fact that girls at this club are legally considered to be "employees"

    A - the hourly pay of every dancer in the club is based on a portion of the overall amount of money taken in from the total number of customers, meaning that highly popular girls as well as less popular girls both get paid the same hourly rate for stage dancing.

    B - all girls at this club have their total number of working hours limited (let me guess - 24 hours per week or less)

    C - scheduling is based strictly on seniority, where a new hot girl must work fill-ins and unpopular shifts while possibly less hot girls who have worked at the club longer can schedule the popular shifts.

    D - private booth shows do allow highly popular dancers to earn more than less popular dancers because individual dancers are paid 55% of the money that customers spend on them specifically for a private booth show.

    E - The club keeps 45% of all dancers private booth money to be used to pay club expenses i.e. rent, utilities etc. Any remaining portion of the club's percentage after club expenses are covered is essentially paid out to every dancer in the club in equal portions as a "profit sharing" bonus, with no provision for the fact that highly popular girls earned more of this "profit sharing" money than less popular girls.

    E - business and profits at this club are declining, necessitating an across the board pay cut for both highly popular as well as less popular dancers.

    is this correct ?


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    $500 a night with little to no contact? I did extremely well at Hustler in San Fran, but we are talking middle middle mileage to dry hump status, both of which are not deemed extras by the mgmt. lol


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    If you're talking California plus little or no contact in the same sentence, this definitely doesn't include San Francisco. It probably only pertains to cities with strict anti-dance club ordinances, like San Diego now or Los Angeles after July. However, when you try to include $500 a night plus little or no contact plus California in the same sentence, there are overwhelming odds that "it does not compute". As Nikki says, in order to earn this king of money in cities where it's possible, you'll need to raise the contact level significantly. In those cities where contact simply isn't permitted (legally or illegally), $500 a night is probably a pipe dream since very few California guys are willing to spend big money without contact. Girls at Lusty Lady (which is the only club in San Francisco without contact) probably don't earn even half that amount after income taxes are withheld from their employee earnings.

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    yes, thank you for the info Kaiya I know you've been working there for a bit I wonder...you might even know my friend.

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