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    Default Ratio of customers to dancers in your club??

    I've noticed too many slow nights on account of there being more dancers than customers. Sometimes there are 3 girls for every guy! Around 10 pm the ratio evens out, and the later it gets into the night, the more the odds are in my favor.

    Do lots of other clubs have this problem? What is it like where you work? What is a good place to work where the dancers are in high demand?

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    Mariah, this is a problem most of us feel in big cities. I am trying Vegas now and there are ALWAYS more dancers than customers. You'll find at least as many dancers as customers in Phoenix, Houston, Florida Memphis, and in most towns that have no dancer schedules.

    As many of you know that is why I stopped working in Houston regularly and went on the road working bookings in Montana and the Upper Midwest. The money I make on bookings is CONSISTENT and I NEVER get in a bind financially working bookings.

    We as dancers are in demand in smaller clubs like those. Every club runs different girls each week. One club runs 5 girls a night, Fargo runs 10-12 each night. The club in South Dakota that I work regularly pays $400 a week keeps $5 per $15 dance, and on a slow night has 40 customers in the door from 5:30- 1 up to 100 a night or more on busier ones. And they push dances. There are good customers there and if you regularly communicate with customers who like you and spend money they will come see you on each booking.


    Scarlett o"Haras in Sioux Falls SD runs 10-14 girls a night and has VIP rooms. They pay $350 for a 6 day booking. They have probably 70-150+ customers in the door from 5-1:30 depending on the night. Northern in Fargo is much the same.

    Shotgun Willie's by Billings MT works 4 girls a night 5 on weekends and you go on stage once an hour but you get paid $400 for the week and clear $100-$150 a night in stage tips plus your dances. Sell 8 dances Sun-Tues and no house fee and 13 the other night s and no stage fee. Summer is good there. My worst week there was $1500. Worst week in Vegas waaay less.

    Those clubs like new faces. Many girls rebook monthly or every 6 weks. The bigger the city the less they need dancers. The more there is to do in a city the less clubs are popular too. Sioux Falls and Fargo are big enough cities where they DON'T need dancers but house dancers can't work every week because the customers get tired of the same faces and clubs like to mix it up.

    You probably think these are just hick places with shitty customers.These clubs get a mix of customers and people with money live everywhere. Some of these clubs get more customers than bigger city ones. Smaller towns in other parts of the US ARE NOT like these clubs. These clubs have stable earnings. Trust me. Working at a small town club in Texas IS NOT the same as these clubs I have mentioned. And these clubs pay.

    Check out the websites. Scarlett's and Northern have pretty girls. You are a pretty girl and if you are friendly, work the floor and do a good stage show, you should do better than in Austin.

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    Due to recent ordinances banning lapdances within the city of Detroit, the clubs in metro Detroit have been flooded with dancers otherwise out of work. There are only a few good clubs left in Detroit since the new law. I have definitely experienced the phenomena of more dancers than customers.

    I have been working dayshift recently and I know some girls are really hurting for money. It's been slooooow.....last Tuesday there were 19 guys through the door all day, and about the same # of dancers.

    Whenever a customer in a suit walks through the door a bunch of girls practically run to latch on to him first--sort of an obscene display. Sometimes 3-5 girls will sit with one guy hoping he will spend.
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    Anti dance laws are a big part of why clubs get flooded with dancers. Girls move around to avoid the problems like you just mentioned. And customers avoid clubs involved in legal problems.

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    In the northeast, the vast majority of clubs have already experienced the "Detroit Factor" when local ordinances started tightening up about 3 years ago (some clubs closing or going to shit, and dancers moving to vastly overload remaining good clubs). The northeast clubs recognized the problem, and dealt with it. Now, most northeast clubs set rigid schedules and book dancers 2,3,4 weeks in advance. If a dancer has not booked herself onto the schedule she is not allowed to work - it's that simple.

    On the good side, this guarantees that there will be a reasonable ratio of customers to dancers. Also on the good side, this guarantees that the girls who did manage to get onto the schedule will make money.

    However, on the bad side, this means that there are always at least twice as many girls trying to get onto club schedules at the better clubs than the schedule has room for. This allows the clubs to be picky in regard to the appearance of the dancers they "hire" and allow to book into the club schedule. But this also leaves many dancers out in the cold as far as ever working in the better earnings potential clubs. Also on the bad side, this allows some clubs to institute high stage fees (i.e. 100-200 or more a night), which not only earns more money for the club but it also "starves out" any dancers who did manage to get hired and scheduled at a better club but who turn out to be marginal earners.

    Of the girls that don't make the "cut" at the better earnings potential clubs, they are basically stuck working in 'neighborhood' clubs for low money, or they wind up working at high contact nude clubs. Also, there are so many extra dancers now that even the high contact nude clubs and some of the better 'neighborhood' clubs are following rigid scheduling.

    In fact, there are so many dancers around that a few of the northeast clubs are starting to institute rotating schedules. This means that even if a dancer is stunning, she is not allowed to book herself into the club schedule on a full time basis. This may mean she can book 1 or 2 nights per week, or that she can book 1 or 2 week a month. This of course results in some girls working at 2 or 3 different better clubs on a regular basis in order to find enough work. This in turn has caused some clubowners to start "blacklisting" dancers who work at their club but who are also thinking about working for a 'competing' club (i.e. if you start working for the club across town who is our archrival, don't bother coming back to this club). Some clubowners even send out 'scouts' who pretend to be customers in competing clubs just to see if dancers are working there who also work at the original club.

    What the northeast club culture has basically done is to simply drive away dancers who are less than average in appearance and less than aggressive hustlers, which has improved the customer to dancer ratio as well as improved the earning potential of clubs and those dancers that can manage to be hired and booked into the club schedules. It has also put the clubowners in a position of nearly complete control, as the clubowners know that if a dancer is unhappy that there are 10 more dancers dying to take her place in the club schedule.

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    An actual number I don't know,but not enough. They just remodeled my club and they are on this hiring kick to not stop until they hire 70 new girls. A local club just got closed down so there's no shortage of girls, and its making work tough. I'm about to feel free to flee b/c its about to get crazy there. I work at a small club and on friday nite there were 42 girls there and it was absolutely ridiculous. There is also a new club opening up that is the closest to the casinos that will surely pick up all the slack b/t the city and the casino, so I guess I'll trickle on down there when it opens and see what I can do for the few opening months b/4 all the other girls come running down.
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    There are good customers there and if you regularly communicate with customers who like you and spend money they will come see you on each booking.
    This may be the smartest thing I've read on this site.

    Ladies, I cannot emphasize this enough: get a basic website set up with your pics (clothed), your schedule of availability and a Mapquest link for directions to the club. Add an e-mail contact and create a mailing list for those who write to you. Direct people who meet you in the club to your website and tell them to bookmark it so they'll know your schedule.

    Whether you're a house dancer or a travelling pro, if we like you, we want to see you again. Increase your bank account by making a PL's life easier to see you--a website does this without compromising your anonymity or security. I'd be shocked if your average monthly take home did not increase by at least 25-50% doing this.

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    Good advice.

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    You don't even have to have a website! Just some internet communication. Customers who want to see you again will often email you if you have an email addy available for them.

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    Agreed.

    The problem with just an e-mail addy is that many clubs don't like to see you writing anything down and handing it to a patron. Trying to remember an e-mail address is a lot more difficult than a basic web address. Also, the website is 24/7 and requires minimal initiative on your part to let people know when and where you'll be appearing. Basically, unless you change your schedule frequently, or are going on vacation, it's one shot and boom, you're in business.

    But the bottom line is: keep your regulars informed, and they'll keep paying your mortgage.

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    Mariah,
    Have you tried Palagio yet? I went there last night and there were at least 3-4 customers for each girl that was there. Most of the girls were hanging out and not hustling hard, and although the place wasn't terribly busy, it looks like you could do pretty well if you moved your booty.

    Also, ther was a lack of very attractive girls and I did not see very many blondes. The 2-3 decent looking blondes I did see were busy in VIP the entire time too. You should try it out, they waive the tip-out before 7pm AND waive it if you bring someone with you to the club (customers I guess). The place is very beautiful. I might work a couple of nights starting the 26th.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer link=board=4;threadid=8204;start=msg96283#msg96283 date=1081873898
    There are good customers there and if you regularly communicate with customers who like you and spend money they will come see you on each booking.
    This may be the smartest thing I've read on this site.

    Ladies, I cannot emphasize this enough: get a basic website set up with your pics (clothed), your schedule of availability and a Mapquest link for directions to the club. Add an e-mail contact and create a mailing list for those who write to you. Direct people who meet you in the club to your website and tell them to bookmark it so they'll know your schedule.
    That is done with my yahoo group, though I'll admit I mostly forget to give that address to customers. Sometimes I go a whole month w/o even mentioning it. Great reminder! If I want to quit fucking off I need to get some cards printed!



    Katrine, I've been asking everyone and their momma about Palazio. The suck stick is that I live way north, so it is a hellofa drive to that place. But of course, before I apply--I have to go in and see what the other girls on my would-be shift look like. I'm a prissy bitch and I like to be the pretty princess. I like what you say about there not being many blondes. ---Though I did work this WED at Penthouse and it was actually pretty good...

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