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    My question to you is, what will happen in regards the contract you have with the agency? I'm sure that they will not react kindly to you leaving.
    Odds are 99.9% that the contract is with the club and not with the agency. At any rate, it is the club that fronted the money for the plane tickets, it is the club that has been providing "free" accomodations, it is the club that stands to lose money if they leave early. Like every other clubowner everywhere, the owner will want his money back and losses covered. However, given that the club is in Mexico and that the girls are foreigners working there illegally, the clubowner has many more options in regards to "collection procedures".

    I know 2 girls personally who were deported from Mexico back to the US for working in a Tiajuana strip club without visas. Best case scenario would be for you to be deported imo. But Mexico City is much farther away from the border than TJ.
    With US girls, all it cost to deport them from TJ to So Cal was a ride in a patrol car to the border. Deporting girls to Australia will cost the Mexican Gov't lots more money than this ! Besides, if the clubowner accuses them of stealing from the club because he has not been repaid for the first 1/2 of their air fare which they have already used, they'll be charged with something much more serious than just working without a visa. This would mean working their way through Mexican police stations and courts before deportation would ever be considered. You've got to remember that these girls have already "taken" probably well over US$1000 each from the clubowner and already spent it (for their flight to from Australia to Mexico). Until/unless this is repaid or worked off, they owe the clubowner big time. If they try to skip out without repaying or working off this debt, it will be considered theft by the clubowner and by the Mexican authorities ! This is an entirely different and much more serious matter than merely working in a Mexican club without a visa, as the California girls were doing. US$1000 in Mexico is SERIOUS money !!!

    Also, the clubowner or anybody else owed money really wants his money back, not the person who owes him the money busted or deported. In Mexico, there are lots of options open for an unscrupulous clubowner to "help" beautiful foreign girls earn a lot of money very quickly, and I'm actually much more worried about this possibility if the clubowner has discovered that these girls might skip out than Mexican police or deportation.

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    Where are these girls???? Now I'm worrying they were caught from posting their situation and/or took some of the early BAD advice they got to try hopping a bus or plane to Texas and were caught!

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    Kind of sounds like a 21st Century version of "indentured servant" or "bond labor." In the 17th and 18th centuries this was just one step above being a slave and was pretty much like being a slave.

    Basically if slavery was outlawed, indentured servitude was outlawed. However it really still exists on this planet. These girls are in a somewhat less harsh modern version of indentured servitude. Given that they are in a second world country. have no rights, and are way behind the economic eight ball (so to speak),
    they are being held against their will.

    The club owners argument is that this is a business contract arangement and he is just enforcing a contract. However in the strip club business in a foreign country he has their passports, he controls their movements, and he can bring them back and punish them (ex officio), probably just by assigning them to the worst shifts and worst customers. He also owns and controls their living arrangements.

    This whole thread illustrates the danger of people from first World countries, (where you have rights) getting involved in the strip club business in clubs and with owners you really know nothing about. It makes the mid size and corporate owners of US clubs look like humanitarians by comparison.

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    Where are these girls???? Now I'm worrying they were caught from posting their situation and/or took some of the early BAD advice they got to try hopping a bus or plane to Texas and were caught!
    I haven't speculated in detail in regard to the likely possibilities, because I didn't want to frighten these girls. But since we haven't heard from them again for two days, there's not much point about frightening these girls about something that might have already happened by now. Having been to Mexico many times, here are a few possibilities that come to mind in decreasing order of probability ...

    #1 - they ceased internet access because it was happening via the club or the apartment provided by the club, and these girls smartly decided not to provide any further evidence to a would-be eavesdropper that they had any plans to breach their contract and skip the country. They're still dancing at this club and nobody is the wiser.

    #2 - they managed to skip out on the clubowner successfully and are headed to the US border by bus or car right now, so they don't have internet access

    #4 - they tried to skip out via a rescheduled flight at Mexico City airport, and due to Mexican bureaucratic incompetence they were able to get through Mexican customs and board a flight, and are now already on their way home, so they don't have internet access.

    #4 - the clubowner discovered their plans to breach their contract before they were able to skip out, and he now has them working in a non-club location where they are capable of earning the money they owe him more quickly i.e. pimping them out !

    #5 - they tried to skip out via a rescheduled flight at Mexico City airport but didn't make it past Mexican Customs, meaning they are probably in custody.

    #6 - they managed to head for the US border via bus or car, but something unseemly has happened to them on the Mexican road.

    I have to believe that if these girls headed for the Australian embassy that they would easily be able to get online from there and let us know that they are OK.

    I didn't want to say this earlier, but in Mexico people have been killed for much less than $1000, and all sorts of Mexican businessmen would look upon two hot foreign girls in trouble as an extremely profitable business opportunity !





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    Your ideas are about in line with mine Mel, however I tend to think your #1 most likely scenario goes further down the list...this is why I'm worried.

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    Hi frangiapani,

    Wow, I just read this post now; I was thinking it would be a newbie question or something. Sorry I don't have any advice to offer, but all the advice that's been given here is very good. I've never been outside of the USA, so I don't know what to do in your situation. I just wanted to say please post here if you are able to and let us know that you're all right.






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    MAY THE FLEAS OF A THOUSAND CAMELS INFEST THOSE AGENTS CROTHCES!
    They should freaking know better! How awful.
    My prayers to those young ones
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    MAY THE FLEAS OF A THOUSAND CAMELS INFEST THOSE AGENTS CROTHCES!
    They should freaking know better! How awful. My prayers to those young ones
    While I agree with your sentiments in regard to the agency, it should really go without saying that ANY club which books house dancers through an agency (and therefore the clubowner is paying a fee to the agent) must have a fairly significant reason for needing to do so . That reason might be very innocent, like upscale Japanese clubs wanting to attract Gai-Jin's from halfway around the world to cater to a special clientele. But more often than not it's because local girls know the story on the club in question and avoid working there, leaving the clubowner little choice other than to use an agency to attract girls who know very little in advance about the club !

    It also should go without saying that in "second world" and "third world" countries, issues like unequal women's rights, unfair and unequal law enforcement, and expectations of high contact and sex in exchange for not much money etc. usually go with the territory. Even though an "exclusive tourist area" in a "third world" country may look like a first world country at first glance, the business ethics and laws and police and courts which apply in that "exclusive tourist area" are still just as "third world" as the rest of the country !

    Agents are in the business for one reason - to make money. Granted that there are a handful of well established reputable agencies which actually investigate the clubs they book and which are 100% accurate when providing club contract info and club expectations to prospective contract dancers. However there are many more agencies whose primary interest is convincing girls to sign contracts with clubs so that they can collect their commission, agencies which have never seen the clubs they are booking, agencies who don't really care if 50% of the girls they get to sign club contracts are actually happy or not once they get to the club and find out what's really going on.

    Finally, there's also the issue of unrealistic expectations by these Australian girls or other contract dancers. Zero contact super-upscale clubs do not need to pay thousands of dollars in order to bring in house dancers ! Plus, in relative terms, this Mexican club may not actually be as bad as some clubs in San Francisco or Houston or many other US cities in regard to sleazy customers, requests for 'extras', or mediocre dancer earnings potential !

    I'm starting to really worry about these girls ! But they did say themselves in the opening post that "they knew that this deal was too good to be true" - and they signed the contract anyhow. I'm just hoping that they were smart enough to realize the potential downside to any "rash actions" they might contemplate in regard to skipping out on the clubowner before they had worked/paid off the debt they owe ...

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    A (one of many) possibilities is that Fran was accesssing SW from an internet cafe or library on her day off. Since a prime work schedule may conflict with ready access times, access may be limited to days off. Especially if one of those days off is Sunday when stuff is closed.

    I would not panic yet.

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    i've been following this thread.... still no word from the girls?

    :shiver::shiver:

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    Luna Technologies could help on this issue. They should be able to go into their logs and find out what the ip address was from where Fran submitted her post.
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    ummmm everyones probably gonna get pissed off at me for saying this....but is it possibalt that maybe fragapani is a hoax? i dunno, a troll or something?

    shes only made that one post here, and she never said the name of the club, or given any details on where she actually is so anyone on here can help.

    i dunno. seems a bit sus to me. at first i was really worried for these girls, but yeah somethings not right.

    they are australian,surely they arent that dumb not to contact the embassy ( ????!!!) i dunno. i sound like a bitch right now., but their story doesnt sound right.... if im wrong, im sorry, i hope they get out of there safely, but yeah...something fishy with that post...??

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    hmmm lemme retract that....shes made 14...im sure it said 1 post the other day (?) never mind... still think its a bit weird tho...

    ( what the HELL are panties!!!??? she refers to her underwear as panties, australians dont call anythign panties...just a thought)

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    Panties are any underwear, but usually refer to sexy ones. Very common term here in the States.
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    h8 Stripping Related Discussions / Club Chat / Re:Ever danced in Japan?? on: February 29, 2004, 02:05:33 am
    Yes, I have been to Japan about 3 times. I'll be honest and say it's not how it used to be..and Roppongi is pretty much the gutter of Tokyo where all the foreigners, US military, drug dealers hang out..but Roppongi can be a lot of fun too..no one knows why but everybody keeps going back!? I was a dancer and a hostess and worked in Roppongi, shinjuku. &th heaven, private eyes and tantra are probably the top 3 clubs but each night a tip out of about $160 US dollars but apparently you can make a lot of money in these clubs. I have friends who have made nothing and other thousands every night. when it comes to hair colour, blonde is good but it doesnt mean anything anymore, I've seen Japanese men go for tiny blondes to fat, skinny, white, black , asian..it doesn't matter as long as you are charming and happy they like you. Shinjuku I was making $1000 US a week and I was getting accomodation free. I wasn't making too much money in Japan, I was getting money from customers fo rdoing nothing, just going out on dates and keeping them company. Japanese men I can't even beginto explain but there range from gross/sleazy to even sweet and caring and the people in japan are all pretty much friendly. my first time i went with world agency.. i had free apartment and most clubs you pay tip out depending on how many private dances you can make a night eg. 0-3 pd = $50 US dollars 4-6 = $80 7-9 $100 10-12 $120 13- = $160 and then there are clubs in shinjuku that will all offer oyu a gauranteed salary of $110 US a night and whatever u make on top of that with drinks, champage , tips is yours to keep. its not unusual to make over $300 in tips a night. I've seen some pretty amazing things with some girls. But there is touching and a lot more that goes on in japan private rooms then you like to think.. no sex though. its hard but they are allowed to touch your breasts. All in all, japan is a great place, I love it there and I have always had a great time there..I recommend 1st time with agency and 2nd time to go it alone but you have to be careful of some of the nigerian agents who have ripped me off in the past. world agency is run by aussies. I'd also recommend working in Roppongi, Shinjuku. not akasaka and not Omiya.



    13 Stripping Related Discussions / Club Chat / Question about Job offer in Mexico City?? on: February 22, 2004, 10:49:13 pm
    Hi, I was reading in the job offers section of this website and in the 'stripperweb' newsletter about the job offers in Mexico City.


    It's basically a pre paid airfare with free accomodation for 6-8 week contracts. I'm really interestd in going but I wanted to hear from anyone else with advice or if this is wise and will I get ripped off by any agents, tip outs, stage fees while there?

    To be working and living overseas in Mexico and making money sounds great, but is it as good as it sounds? I want to make some money but mostly I just want a fair chance and not to be ripped off. Thanks!


    14 Stripping Related Discussions / Newbie Board / I want to dance..but do I look like a dancer?? on: February 14, 2004, 10:25:28 pm Hi there..new to the board and I was hoping anyone might help me with my question. I'm 24 years old and i want to dance but I'm not sure if I have the right look or if there even is one? I'm 5'4, blonde, green eyes, tanned but I look really young for my age, I'm petite with a nice body but theres something about me that looks like a teenager and not a woman. I know there's guys that would like my body or think I'm sexy but I never thought of myself as a typical dancer with big breasts, long legs and full of confidence. I'm a little shy but I kow that would go away once I started dancing. I've danced before for a couple months in a topless only bar but never naked. What I'm most afraid of is not measuring up, I can pass for 21 but I just have this look about me that is innocent and I shouldn't be there and I'm afraid the customer might see through me and give me the whole'you shouldn't be working here' talk. Anyone else have this problem? I guess it's just a case of having little confidence which is one of the main reasons why I'd like to dance, I know I can do it but I don't want to look like a shy little girl either..or be pointed at by other dancers/customers. Am I just paranoid? any help on this I'd really love to hear some comments..


    im sure shes all ligit, but i just looked at her posts,and well....why would she say she worked in japan 3 times, and then a few posts earlier say shes unsure if she should be a dancer????????????????????? she said she already danced in tokyo, so obviously shes already a dancer, so why would she ask???? and she went thru an agency for tokyo, why not for mexico??


    i dunno, something weird.

    maybe im just looking into it all too much, its almost one in the morning here....i should sleep....heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooke link=board=27;threadid=8459;start=msg100507#msg100 507 date=1082729834
    Panties are any underwear, but usually refer to sexy ones. Very common term here in the States.

    lol yeah thats what i mean, aussies dont call them "panties" i think im reading too much into this....lol my bad

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    Mermaidnz, Fran isn't what one would call a regular poster, but she has made over a dozen posts over a period of several months. Quite a few of these posts were specifically in reference to dancing overseas. The thought crossed my mind that the original post might be bogus as well, so I did a search a couple of days ago before responding seriously to this thread.

    The only way to be absolutely sure is if Pryce could or someone could look up the logged IP of the original post, then do a traceroute to see whether or not it originated in Mexico City.

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    well, what a bummer we haven't heard anything. I do hope this post wasn't bogus and that everything is ok. Also, I remember several years ago on sp there was a similar 'cry for help' post. I don't remember what country they claimed to be stuck in...mexico? iceland? Hopefully frangiapani will respond after her contract is up and she's left the area...


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    WOW!

    Melonie!

    What an awesome post! Hopefully these girls in Mexico have figured out what they are going to do! But your message was extremely informative! I hope they read it and follow what you say. I know NOTHING about traveling outside the US and wouldnt know the first thing to do if I were in thier shoes. YIKES! My prayers are with them....thats for sure!

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    I dunno ladies...I am kinda thinking it might be bogus as well. The last time chick logged on was April 22.....yet she didnt post us anything to let us know how she was doing. I think that is kinda strange. I hope everything is alright...
    but if this was bogus...thats kinda shitty considering how much advise all of us ladies of put on this bored trying to help.......



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    I smell a troll

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    Actually, DJ, I'd rather that this post was made by a troll. The other possibility, that these girls were on the level, that they attempted something rash and got caught at it, and that they are now at the mercy of the clubowner/local cops, is not very encouraging.

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    Mel I agree with ya there. This is one time I'd rather this be a troll than a legit post.

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    Troll or not, I think we can all learn a lesson here. If this post is serious, I really hope those girls are alright.


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    when i first posted that "maybe its bullshit" type comment, i thought everyone would get so pissed off at me for thinking such a horribal thing , im glad im not the only one thinking this now, but i do hope fragrapani at least lets everyone know what the hell is going on.

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