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    Why are there soooo many young guys in groups patonizing strip clubs now???

    What happened to them going to night clubs? These fu**ers just hang out and maaaybe buy a dance here and there and many are rude and obnoxious (especially in Vegas).

    And it doesn't matter how high end a club is. These guys are OUTNUMBERING the older guys who USED to come in by themselves at night. High end clubs, middle of the road clubs and smaller town clubs are all having the same problem. I've seen them all.

    Are the older more educated guys bored with clubs now? After all GC's were made for them.

    Would the older educated customers rather have older well kept women to keep them company rather than young dancers their daughters age?


    A convention with 90,000 white collar attendees hits Vegas and hardly any of these guys go to the clubs when in past years LOTS of them went. Casinos aren't doing as badly as strip clubs.

    Every city is overwhelmed with young guys and girls. These bastards need to go back to the nightclubs where they belong and the 35-65 year old guys who are middle and upper middle class white collar guys need to be the MAJORITY customer in the clubs at ALL times.

    I don't want to hear it's the economy. These older guys have money to lose in the casinos. and the young guys have enough money to drink, and whoop it up.

    Something is wrong. REALLY WRONG. And many dancers besides myself want to know what the problem is.



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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    There are probably several reasons. I wish they would go back to the Night Clubs as well. They are the reason I go to strip clubls in the afternoons.
    When I was younger I would hang out mainly at bars and would very seldom go to a strip club.
    But I guess these young punks go out now after taking viagra and then go to the strip clubs to "get lucky" hahaha. I really think that most of these young punks don't have the social skills needed to "pick up" a girl in a night club so they go to the strip clubs to gwak.
    I too, rarely see them buy any dances.
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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    I can definitely sympathize-try living in a college town, it can be even worse! I wish I knew the answers...

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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    Tough questions. I do agree with you, over the last couple years it seems like the average age of any customer in a SC has dropped a lot.

    I know that 10 years ago in Houston there was only about a third of the clubs there are today. The girls that worked on average made a lot more cash. The club owners were making good cash too so they opened up more clubs and saturated the market so now every one makes less. So there are about the same amount of white collar guys going to the clubs but they have about three times the clubs to choose from. I don't know if other areas have experienced this kind of club growth.

    At the same time it just seems like it is now cool for young guys to hang out in an SC but back when I was in college it was something you rarely did (went to the Yellow Rose 2 times for my 4 years in school).

    This is just what I have seen.

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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    Personally, I've never thought the problem was necessarily young guys in clubs. First time I ever went to a strip club was four days after my 21st birthday. Sure I wasn't Mr. Moneybags but I tipped each of the dancers a couple of bucks at the rail, and bought more than the two-drink minimum (bear in mind this was a bikini bar w/alcohol, no laps/table dances), so I couldn't have been worse than average. Later that year I got my first lapdance, and a year later I became a regular in a local establishment, where I stayed until I moved out of state a couple of years ago. Also, when I travel I usually try to check out at least one SC in the town where I'm at, and I suppose I spend about as much as the typical tourist/conventioneer, maybe a little more.

    IMO, the problem is that guys in groups, no matter how old they are, tend to act as a pack. It's why I usually don't like going to strip clubs in a group; we usually end up trying to out-do one another (trying to get away with the most with the prettiest dancer for the least amount of money), or clam up because we don't want to become known as the group perv who spends all his $$$ on laps and VIPs.

    I really wish I had the answer for ya, Tina. I'm probably not the best example because I started going to clubs when I was one of those hated "youngins" and after 10+ years of mostly-continuous patronage of SCs I feel like an old sage
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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina link=board=27;threadid=8636;start=msg101633#msg101 633 date=1083005802
    Are the older more educated guys bored with clubs now? After all GC's were made for them.
    Gee, and I thought GC's were made for all guys.

    Every city is overwhelmed with young guys and girls. These bastards need to go back to the nightclubs where they belong and the 35-65 year old guys who are middle and upper middle class white collar guys need to be the MAJORITY customer in the clubs at ALL times.
    And how do you intend to make this occur? Force the young people out, and the older men in at gunpoint? Last time I checked, anyone of majority age, regardless of gender or income bracket can go see whatever type of entertainment they want to. Besides, its not how much money a customer has that matters, but how much they SPEND.

    I don't want to hear it's the economy. These older guys have money to lose in the casinos. and the young guys have enough money to drink, and whoop it up.

    Something is wrong. REALLY WRONG. And many dancers besides myself want to know what the problem is.
    Well here would be my theory of whats wrong.

    1. There are more clubs than there used to be, so its possible that those more affluent customers are still there. They're just thinned out a bit more.

    2. Back in the 90's, a lot of those guys were paying for their SC visits on their company expense accounts, not with their own money. When those expense accounts were taken away, well the answer should be obvious.

    3. A lot of those older customers also lost their jobs and watched their retirement savings evaporate. Since older guys are more likely to be married and have children, they have significantly greater life expenses to cover. Therefore the amount of discretionary income that they have has dwindled greatly. Perhaps some of them took stock of all the money they spent in GC's during the late 90's, and had a little buyers remorse.

    4. As far as Vegas goes, when I went out there last August (definitely off season) I didn't see the casinos (including many of the nicer ones) exactly full of people either. But by comparison, on two of my four SC visits, I couldn't find a seat when I first walked in (at the OG and the Spearmint Rhino). If there was an explanation on these guys having money to gamble, it would probably be the one advantage gambling gives over hitting a strip club as far as entertainment value: The fact that you can actually leave a casino with more money than you walked in with. Trying doing that at the GC.

    5. I also think that some guys who go out to LV perhaps feel that the high hustle atmosphere in Vegas clubs has become overwhelming, esspecially if they're used to more laid back settings at their local clubs. For example, view this comparision in expenses that I had:

    Cover charge, first drink and waitress tip for ONE SC visit in Las Vegas: $27.00

    Cover charge, first drink and waitress tip for FOUR SC visits in Oklahoma City: $28.00 ($7.00 average per trip).

    Granted OKC isn't Vegas caliber by any means, but at those prices, I can see why guys are opting to stay home.

    This environment isn't so much caused by the young, less affulent customers, but by greedy management and an increasing number of dancers that have become pushy, deceptive, and in some cases downright mercenary with their sales techniques. This wasn't my experience with most gals there, but all it takes is a bad apple or two to put a customer in a sour mood, and God knows that I saw more than a few bad apples who apparently couldn't understand the meaning of the word "no".

    That's just my eight-and-a-half cents.
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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    I was just wondering the same thing after this past weekend in New Orleans. It's Jazzfest, plus there's a doctor's convention in town, and the club over the last 5 days has been full of young, dumb punk-asses. WTF?

    One reason I don't go out to nightclubs is to avoid people like that, and now they're invading my job! We stayed open until 6 AM this past Saturday night because packs of guys kept coming in. There wasn't a single VIP room sold for three solid hours at one point, on a Saturday night!

    I joked to the DJ that the club was spending more on electricity to keep the place open than it was taking in with drink money since a lot of these guys were just passing out anyway. It's been pretty infuriating.
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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    I have to agree with many of Catfish's points, and add a few more ...

    - the corporate gold cards being used freely at strip clubs and written off as a business entertainment expense,as they typically were in the 90's, has been reined in big time by corporate accountants and the IRS.

    - upscale middle aged guys now have new worries in regard to their future job security and income ... outsourcing of white collar jobs, downsizing in manufacturing industries etc., which puts them in a financially cautious mode.

    - the economy has not been good enough for employers to pay bonuses and give big raises since about 1999, which definitely affects middle aged guys who have a significant percentage of their 'regular' income tied up in mortgage and car payments, tuition for their kids, retirement fund contributions etc. Without 'extra' money coming in, they're more cautious about spending what money they have on luxury items (like strip clubs/private dances).

    - middle aged guys do not want to risk any adverse publicity or encounters with local police should they be present when a club is busted. With this being an election year, and with lots of new anti-dance club ordinances going into effect without a known history of enforcement, many middle aged guys are being cautious. A corollary to this is that other strip club customers who might tend to increase the likelihood of problems/busts/police attention occurring at the club (rowdy young guys, bikers, punks etc.) tend to drive away conservative middle aged guys for the very same reason.

    - lots of middle aged guys will NOT tolerate high pressure sales techniques on the part of 'hungry' dancers. If they want abuse from a female they can get that at home for free. A corollary to this is that middle aged guys do not want to sit and listen to a dancer talk about her problems as this is waiting for them at home also.

    - lots of middle aged guys have a hard time connecting with young dancers who ACT young as well. Many times these guys want to converse about serious subjects, their own jobs etc. Some young dancers fresh out of high school have neither the knowledge base to understand what the guy is talking about or the social skills to carry on an interesting conversation with a guy who is 35+.

    and my #1 answer - middle aged guys will NOT tolerate being ripped off. Whether this means being promised more before a private dance than was actually delivered, being overcharging on the number of actual private dances performed, or being hit up by the club for hourly champagne room charges and mandatory drink purchases which were not spelled out clearly in advance, middle aged guys will remember such occurrences for a long time. Many choose not to return to that club because of what happened to them.

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    I'm someone who falls into the older guy category (3, I know when I go to Vegas the Strip Clubs are not on my agenda, I'm there to pitch a tent at the Black-Jack tables! I can go to a strip club any time I want,
    but it's hardly ever I get a chance to lose my ass at blackjack! you know, now that I've just re-read my post, maybe my "pitch a tent" analogy was a bad choice of words!
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    Part of the problem is strip clubs are becoming way too mainstream, with club owners trying to squeeze money out of it through quantity, not quality. Gone are the days when the club owners knew all their girls by name (and often many of their good regulars)...nowadays its all about numbers, greed, and market oversaturation. Going to the strip club and hanging out for hours (and coincidentally not buying dances, drinks, or tipping) is now the "in" thing for young guys to do. Of course mainstream stuff is going to attract a younger crowd. I can't tell you how many clubs I've stopped working at on Friday and Saturday nights the past 2 years due to the "free pass" or cheap young college crowd coming in and wasting time and space. Like NinaDaisy said, I dont go to nightclubs just because I want to avoid people like that. If I wanted to work in a college bar/nightclub, I'd get a job there.

    Strip clubs are everywhere. Packing them with tons of rowdy young customers will put off the older customers with money. And if there are too many dancers on shift trying to over hustle them, why should they spend alot of money to be given assembly line treatment, not to mention feel uncomfortable?

    Sure, there are problems from the economy that have affected our business. But the club owners solutions of putting a strip club on every corner and packing it with 10 times as many girls as customers just lacks all common sense. These short sighted business policies are now beginning to bite them back in the ass. Such a shame too, because there is still good money to be made in this business IF the people running it would stop f***ing things up.

    Tina, I understand your frustration.

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    I feel for you Tina. I HATE younger guys usually. I can not imadgine working at a juice bar. Working at a 21 and over club though it feels like I am with all the youngins running around taking up club space. I really can't compare to how it used to be because I haven't been in the buisness that long but mabey it has something to do with the media and how stripping is portayed as so cool and hip and it is in movies that young guys like to go to and it is just more acceptable now? Mabey strip clubs are not taboo very much anymore at least not for young people.

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    Default Re:Why so many young guys?

    The club that I work at has a mostly white middle aged men or a mixture of older blue collar workers. I noticed at night that there's much more of a younger crowd. Hey, maybe the older guys stopped coming because they were getting in trouble with their wife for staying out too late lol! I'm not sure why there are alot more younger guys than older thou..

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    Hey, maybe the older guys stopped coming because they were getting in trouble with their wife for staying out too late lol! I'm not sure why there are alot more younger guys than older thou..
    Actually, I'd sooner think that the older guys were more concerned about spending a late night in a club and then doing a s#!tty job at work the next day. Unlike 5 years ago when seniority guaranteed most middle aged guys a job forever, these days there is so much corporate downsizing and outsourcing that no job is necessarily safe. This is particularly true if the middle aged guy shows up at work half awake with eyes like p1ssholes in the snow, and is ready to fall asleep in an afternoon staff meeting !

    I also agree that clubowners are responsible in large part for this change. This is particularly true because of the latest trend to allow way too many dancers per shift simply so the club can collect more money from them in stage fees. This indeed creates a scenario where dancers are so 'hungry' that some tend to resort to high pressure sales techniques and/or outright rip offs of customers in order to make decent money. Nothing will drive away middle aged guys faster !

    The younger guy trend on friday and saturday nights is really nothing new, though, in the Northeast. For years the majority of middle aged guys came to clubs mostly on weeknights. This was usually the result of business travel or after-work business entertainment. Thursday nights were usually the best night for middle aged travelling businessmen, since by thursday they had usually completed the week's business on the road and were ready to party before flying home on Friday.

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    I was thinking the same thing last week. The club was packed, huge amounts of people, but NO money. There were two or three impromptu bachelor parties going on, so there were probably 40 or 50 young guys on the main floor, making it seem like the joint was jumpin', but I don't think any of the girls walked out that night with more than $150. I made $80, and the night before I made $550. A one point, I walked back to the VIP area and the champagne manager mentioned that every single champagne room was empty, and this was about 11PM, prime time!

    I think part of the problem (at least in my area) is the fact that the younger, less experienced entertainers will sit with the hot, young guys for literally hours, with nary a drink or a dance bought, simply because the guys are attractive. These guys know that they can come back again and again and hang with the girls for nothing (or close to nothing). It's like they're on a freakin' date!

    This is why I usually don't approach the younger crowd unless they tip me on stage and specifically ask me to come over. I just seem to have better luck with older gentlemen.
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    I am by no means saying this is dominant- but part is the music. Young hip dancer + young hip DJ= young hip music, therefore young crowd attracted. In 2 1/2+ hours Saturday night, I think I recornized 1 song. Not that it was bad, just not what an old geezer like me would have found attractive. Volume does not make music better.

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    The other night, a new dj started playing rap...management chewed his ass out and told him if he did it again, he'd be fired. Then management went to the dancer and told her absolutely no rap. Don't want to go down that path.

    I work on Sunday, Thursday and Saturday. This past Sunday night, I walked with $700...and that was without the champagne room. Thursday nights I usually make around $800, but on Saturday, it's always hit or miss. Last Saturday I walked with only $280. But, I'm one of those dancers who will sit and chat with the hot guys for about 3 seconds and then leave. Management asked me one time why I wasn't sitting with one of the guys and I simply replied, "Because they feel that they are too young and hot to have to pay for my company." At the end of the night, all of the girls were complaining how they didn't make any money. When I asked them why they kept sitting with the guys that weren't paying out, they simply said, "Well, there was nothing else to do." I was just shocked. I refuse to sit and chat with someone for free. If it is apparent that he doesn't want dances or won't pay me for my time, then I politely tell him that I need to get back to work and then get up with a smile, a wink, tell him I'll check on him in a while and then walk away. If these younger girls would stop chatting for free...then maybe they would find that they become in "higher demand".

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    A very interesting question, first I don't really agree with economic reasons as money is still out there to be spent and enjoyed. For every Enron that goes down there is a Halliburton that is doing well. Also, I don't totally blame the owners of the clubs, as they still seem to be making money. The clubs are usually full, so they are still making money on admission, even if its not the right customer mix for the dancers to make good money and there seems to be more dancers then ever so the owner is making money off their tip out. In addition, I don't fell older customers are not coming in due to fear of being ripped off, as this has always existed somewhat just the same as customers trying to push the boundaries on dancers.

    Older guys not coming in:

    1. Internet - The adult industry has been changed as more people utilize the Internet to expand there spending options. Escorts, which use to be hit or miss as far as getting ripped off, have become more widely used as more and more Escorts and agency's utilize the Internet to promote them selves and message boards are used to provide detailed descriptions of what will and will not occur during a rendezvous. Now I realize that most of the Dancers on this board do not want to be classified in the same category as Escorts, but in regard to how some gentleman choose to spend a few hundred dollars they do sometimes fall in to the same group.

    2. Clubs for business socializing - As mentioned previously in this thread the clubs used to be used more heavily for after hour's business socializing. This has been curtailed in some part to companies entertainment budgets but also I believe that as more clubs have gone to higher contact and/or extras more business people do not want them or there company associated with this type of activity. Now I appreciate this is in somewhat contrast to what I wrote about the use of Escorts, but people will behave a lot differently in private than they will in front of a business associate or client.

    3. Music - The veteran dancers choose their music for their enjoyment as well as the pleasure of customer they are trying to attract. Newer dancers, which usually far outnumber veteran dancers, seem to be selecting music for their personnel gratification, which may irritate some older customers. Basically, Older customers, in general, would prefer the club to sound like VH1 not MTV.

    Many reasons have already been given on why younger guys are coming in such as Strip clubs being more mainstream, some younger, less experienced, dancers happy to just hang out with younger guys and the music mix sounding more like a night club then a Gentlemen's Club.

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    Ok, Im 22, and i spend a really good amount when i go into a SC and I am a very well known member in a club in my hometown. I think that some of these "young guys" just want to be cheap and see a little t and a which does kinda suck for the ladies because it is harder to make money. The club I go to does have an average amount of middle guys coming in, some with money and some just as if not more cheaper than the young guys. I guess its just hit or miss with guys. But I dont think its fair to single out the younger guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    This environment isn't so much caused by the young, less affulent customers, but by greedy management and an increasing number of dancers that have become pushy, deceptive, and in some cases downright mercenary with their sales techniques. This wasn't my experience with most gals there, but all it takes is a bad apple or two to put a customer in a sour mood, and God knows that I saw more than a few bad apples who apparently couldn't understand the meaning of the word "no".
    Regarding Vegas, I absolutely agree!



    ***I have to ask the "older gentlemen", what kind of club would you prefer? A large classy looking establishment with hundreds of hustling girls and a restaurant OR a "titty bar" locals type place with considerably less girls (at about 30-40), decent in quality and a laid back bar-type environment?

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    Default Re: Why so many young guys?

    I'll expand on Chance's comments ...

    There used to be a fairly significant sector of club customers that could be considered medium aged businessmen. There are fewer of these sorts of customers lately because ...

    A. in some cities the 'extras' have already resulted in some publicized club busts, these businessmen don't want to take any chance whatsoever that their name / picture is going to wind up in the local paper if the club happens to be busted again while they're inside

    B. because of sexual discrimination lawsuits (where female employees have successfully argued in court that the ability of male co-workers to entertain / close company clients in strip clubs discriminates against female employees), essentially ALL big corporations have now issued directives that their employees cannot entertain clients in strip clubs on the company expense account, period.

    C. highly publicized outrageous credit card billing incidents at some strip clubs have made businessmen wary of their own personal credit cards being overcharged, possibly leading to an embarrassing public dispute of such charges.

    D. many middle aged guys who are truly only looking to have a good time in strip clubs are simply put off by the 'wanna dance', 'where's my tip' abruptness of many of today's dancers, as well as by the high contact levels that the customer and dancer next to him are engaging in.

    E. 100% correct on the music, but it goes farther than that to include the typical presence of other club customers who, shall we say, make middle aged businessmen carrying lots of cash and driving expensive cars ... mmm ... uncomfortable !

    F. last and worst, there have been a couple of highly publicized recent incidents where brainless bouncers have beat the shit out of customers who had the 'audacity' to complain about a dancer scamming them for extra dances or whatever !

    And there's now a totally new wrinkle which is just starting to pop up -

    In some jurisdictions that have figured out that busting dancers only leads to a revolving door of busts, bail, plea bargains, and right back to work again, some recent club busts have dragged some customers out of the club in handcuffs after charging the customer with soliciting prostitution (in other words, clubs in some cities now have to worry about undercover dancers tipping off cops waiting outside the club who intend to bust club customers who expect high contact !).
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    Default Re: Why so many young guys?

    American clubs have priced themselves in a market which makes international travel a viable alternative to Las Vegas.

    Rush Limbaugh just returned from Costa Rica as an example (see Rush Limbaugh Viagra bust).

    If you read the thread on the junkie side titled Brazil you can get an idea of what is happening. A round trip ticket to Thailand is not much more than one evening in an expensive club in NY or Atlanta or Tampa.

    In parts of Asia a suite of rooms in a four star hotel $100.00, Lobster dinner $5.00. A fifth of JW Black in a top strip club $50.00. Cab ride anywhere in town $2.00.

    It is not just that the price of OTC is less expensive and no hassle it the whole experience is much less expensive. Plus the dancers really like the customers from America. Americans in Asia are considerably more gentlemanly than the Arab, African, Korean or Indian customers and are treated accordingly.

    The Asian market is dominated by old guys but more and more every year one sees young guys coming because of the economic realities of life. The young guys seem to come in groups and mostly from Australia or England.

    When I am in a club and a group of young guys come in I leave. The young guys are trouble, loud, aggressive and not free spending. They seem to feel the dancers should be so impressed with them that they get it for free.

    There are estimates of the amount of money Western clubs are loosing to the international market and it is substantial and growing every year.



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    Guess that means that I shouldn't go to clubs anymore? Judging from posts in the past it seems that you ladies hate the "stripper" stereotype. Why do that same thing to your customers? Not every 20 something guy that comes in is like that and assuming they are will only hurt your chance at making money from them. Treat them like you would a middle aged businessmen for a minute and then go from there. If they are rude or whatever by all means get up, just don't assume that we are all going there with the intention of not tipping or buying any dances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheif_Bigfoot
    Guess that means that I shouldn't go to clubs anymore? Judging from posts in the past it seems that you ladies hate the "stripper" stereotype. Why do that same thing to your customers? Not every 20 something guy that comes in is like that and assuming they are will only hurt your chance at making money from them. Treat them like you would a middle aged businessmen for a minute and then go from there.
    I'm sorry, but I simply CAN NOT talk to a guy my age (18-25) the same way that I talk to and older man (30+) All that hustling and the young guy "MAY" have $20...sheesh it's not worth it. I'm trying to work smarter and not harder.

    In my club the young boys come out in groups of 5+ and 80% of the time they have their GF's on their arms with their dam noses up in the air.

    Oh, and I forgot to mention that alot of these young guys think ALL the girls in the club are hot. It's so frustrating trying to talk them out of trying to take me out after work to I-HOP I'm sorry but I get kinda insulted when a guy who hasn't even bought 1 dance has the nerve to even think I would give him my number. Hell, my regulars who have spent thousands dont' even have my number!!!







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    I'm 18 and I hate working weekends for this reason.
    It's just ridiculous when you look around a packed club and see like 2 girls giving dances.

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    Well I guess that is your choice on how you want to talk to younger guys that come into the club. I'm just saying that not all of them that come in are like that and if you don't give them a chance you are possibly missing out. I'm sure this changes from area to area but the last trip I had one of the girls talked me into a 30 minute VIP when I had no intention of doing that. But then again that also taught me to set, and stick to, a budget.

    Didn't mean to come off as telling you how to do our job. You know how to do it and I only know things from my perspective. Just meant that anytime you label a group of people and treat them as a bad customer the odds of them being a good customer are going to be about zero. Don't mean that as just in a SC either. I went in to a furniture store to look for a recliner at one point not too long ago and got treated like it was too much of a pain for the salesperson to come and talk to me that I looked at a couple and left. I had every intention of getting a chair but when you walk in the door and get treated like its a pita to even come and say "May I help you?" the sale is lost before you even try.

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