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    Default Desperately seeking reliable travel / rooming companion to work w/ in Japan!

    If anyone is interested in going to japan for 1 month to work please let me know! I am going thru "Bestdancers" very reliable agency and you can go for 1-3 months. I am going to try 1 month out first. Have been doing months and months of research and I am going to work at either private eyes or seventh heaven. Both clubs are owned by same people and are the top two of the top four tokyo clubs. (other two are tantra and lips) would love a travel companion....please let me know. It is very,very safe and one dance is $60-70 US depending on flucuation in exchange rates.
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    I'd gladly go with you ~ cos you're super nice... I don't think I have enough experience in America yet. LOL.

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    i was going to go this year for 3-6months. now my imlants are broken, im not. otherwise i woulda

    sorry

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    I'm really interested in doing that, I was actually was thinking about making a post for the same thing! Inbox me on when you're going, maybe we can set something up
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    Because there has been some concerns raised on this BBS about a couple of dancers who tried a club in Mexico, let me make a few comments about Japanese clubs.

    There are a FEW very upscale clubs, primarily in the Rippongi district of Tokyo, where it is possible to make major bucks without high contact expectations. These clubs cater to a particular Japanese fetish for 'gai-jins' or hot Anglo girls. Stereotype California barbie doll knockouts with blonde hair and really big implants are in the most demand. The agencies that book these clubs are very picky about the girls they will sign to work in these upscale clubs - generally you must be a 9+, you must have dancing experience in upscale clubs, and you must have an easy-going personality so that being treated by Japanese customers as a "mere female" will not provoke a negative reaction.

    Besides these upscale "gai-jin" clubs, there are other clubs in Japan as well, and also in Hong Kong, Macao and other parts of southeast asia. However, these other clubs are not the same animal at all. A great deal of research should be done before signing onto any Japanese club contract.

    As always, if you don't work for the full duration of your contract period, the club will expect all or some of its air fare advance money back.

    Another point about the upscale Rippongi clubs - many customers will ask/expect that dancers will do things with them outside of the club. If a customer makes such a request of club management, you will be pressured to do it. This typically means only dinners and arm ornament companionship. There is a lot of money to be made with outside the club customer 'dates', and you'll catch a lot of heat from club management if a customer requests you and you refuse. There's not much of an element of 'extras' involved, only lots of hours i.e. working 8 hours at the club 6 nights a week and then spending another 4 hours on a 'date'.

    If 1/2 the reason you're thinking of working in Japan is to see the country, you probably won't have time ! But if your goal is to earn major bucks and you're absolutely settled with the idea of going there, staying there, and working your butt off for 3 months, it's a reasonably profitable approach (assuming the Yen versus your home currency doesn't fluctuate too far). But if you have what it takes to be accepted for one of these upscale Japanese clubs, you'd probably be better off from a strictly financial standpoint by working in upscale Manhattan or Atlanta clubs instead.

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    I have done research for over 5 months and the clubs that i am talking about are much, much safer than anywhere in mexico....you are comparing apples and oranges. anyways...NOBODY HAS TO WORK OUTSIDE OR EVEN DATE OUT OF THESE PLACES TO MAKE $$$$. I dont know what clubs you were at or whatever but i am definitely not asking girls to go with me to any clubs where they have to be a professional "date" in order to make $$$$. If any of u have questions related to this please IM me directly. like i said i have been doing constant research about this for almost 6 months now and i also work with 4 ladies who went back and forth from USA to japan every few months for over 6 years. i am obviously using there same agency and working at the same clubs they did. THey made huge amounts of $$$ and none of them had to go on any "dates" these girls are my friends and have no reason not to tell me the complete truth about their experiences. like i said if anyone has any questions or is interested IM me becuase i have reliable and recent information and i would not endanger myself or any of you.
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    melonie, they are not THAT strict on hiring there. when i applied, i was told id get to pick as i wished between seventh heaven ( the best club) or private eyes ( lesser club) and im definatly not a 9+ and that was BEFORE i got my , well implanT. lol

    so its relatively easy to work in the decent clubs, plus you have the option of paying your own airfare and not being on a contract

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    melonie wasn't saying that it would be like working in Mexico--she was just trying to give lots of information.

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    yes, i am aware that she was sharing information...however, some of it was not correct information.
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    have you been there? has melonie?

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    Hi there - I^m working in Tokyo right now, so I think I can give you a good idea of what the scene is like here.
    - All the clubs mentioned - 7th Heaven, Private Eyes, Tantra, Lips, are high-contact. "Light" touching above the waist. Not particularly light, in my opinion, a lot of the time. Older Japanese guys in particular, really go for it!
    - 7th Heaven does have the most beautiful girls, and does only take girls with experience. Not all the girls are 9s though. Most noticeable thing I noticed was that all the girls are VERY slim. I^d say around a third of them only, have implants.
    - You DO have to go out with customers outside the club. I should know - I have to go out with one tonight! You will be asked to dinner all the time, and the management will expect you to go. You can wriggle out of it, but you will lose bonuses, and may have difficulties getting regular customers.
    - How can anyone compare Japan with Mexico in terms of safety?!? Funny! Tokyo is still the safest large city in the world.
    - I am working with World Agency - they have treated me pretty well. I haven^t come across Best Dancers, but maybe they only recruit girls from N America - I started dancing after living here in Japan.

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    when I was looking into going to Japan some time ago, I was told that I could come...but I decided not to after I found out that touching above the waist was REQUIRED during a private dance at Seventh Heaven, Private Eyes, etc. So basically, you will be getting your breasts fondled during every $60 dance. Now there are dances that are done on the main floor for only $20 they said, and no touching above the waist is expected of the dancer during this kind of dance...but you aren't really allowed the option of only doing main floor dances. There is pressure from the management to go out on "dates" as well....I was told I would be required to go on at least one a week...and after this date, you are supposed to escort the customer into the club, and work the rest of the evening. For every "date" that you escort into the club, you are given monetary bonuses.
    You are also required to sell so many drinks a night, and get rewarded financially for each drink you sell. I was also told that I would have to light customers cigarettes for them, pull out their chair, etc.
    However...given all of this....it is certainly possible for girls there to make MEGA money...probably more than at any club in the U.S...given a girl has the right look, and adapts well to the environment. So - if all of the above things that I have listed doesn't bother anyone, and working six days a week won't bother you either...I would say go for it! Make that money! If breast touching wasn't REQUIRED/expected during private dances...I'd be there in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty-chan link=board=27;threadid=8677;start=msg103243#msg103 243 date=1083304072
    Hi there - I^m working in Tokyo right now, so I think I can give you a good idea of what the scene is like here.
    - All the clubs mentioned - 7th Heaven, Private Eyes, Tantra, Lips, are high-contact. "Light" touching above the waist. Not particularly light, in my opinion, a lot of the time. Older Japanese guys in particular, really go for it!
    - 7th Heaven does have the most beautiful girls, and does only take girls with experience. Not all the girls are 9s though. Most noticeable thing I noticed was that all the girls are VERY slim. I^d say around a third of them only, have implants.
    - You DO have to go out with customers outside the club. I should know - I have to go out with one tonight! You will be asked to dinner all the time, and the management will expect you to go. You can wriggle out of it, but you will lose bonuses, and may have difficulties getting regular customers.
    - How can anyone compare Japan with Mexico in terms of safety?!? Funny! Tokyo is still the safest large city in the world.
    - I am working with World Agency - they have treated me pretty well. I haven^t come across Best Dancers, but maybe they only recruit girls from N America - I started dancing after living here in Japan.
    Thank you Kitty and Brittany for providing this up to the minute information ! I haven't made an Asian tour in quite a while (mostly since the US dollar had risen such that the exchange rate caused a 20%- reduction in US$ club earnings exchanged from the same amount of earnings in Yen), but I didn't think that clubs have changed all that much. From some posts it would appear that the only significant change is that the Japanese show clubs are having more trouble finding "gai-jins" (probably related to a lower earning potential in terms of foreign currencies) such that they aren't as picky in regard to hiring.

    Yes it's probably possible for an extremely beautiful girl to successfully work in a "gai-jin" club without allowing much contact and without agreeing to go on 'dates' with customers. However, I would guess that such decisions would cut your potential earnings in half. Such decisions will also put you at odds with the clubowner, who knows he is losing as much potential income as you are based on your decisions. It's important to 'read between the lines' of agency info, since while something such as breast contact or 'dating' customers may not be required, choosing not to do it may greatly affect your earnings potential as well as your working relationship with the club.

    I was definitely not trying to equate Japanese show clubs with "third world" country clubs. My point, though, was that the Japanese show clubs are more or less unique in Asia, that other Asian clubs (including some Japanese clubs) have entirely different business models in regard to expected contact levels, expected earnings potential etc., and that girls should do some serious homework before considering an Asian road trip.

    I also agree with the idea that accepting a contract with "advance money" for airfare should be avoided if at all possible. Something just rubs me the wrong way of going into a club already being at the 'mercy' of the clubowner because you owe him lots of money ! This can lead to a very unhappy situation if you find yourself in a "gai-jin" club, having to fight off grabby customers, taking heat from the club because you don't want to 'date', yet being unable to leave because you haven't worked long enough/earned enough to pay back the clubowner for your airfare.

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    which is exactly why you PAY FOR YOUR OWN AIRFARE. I have talked to tons of girls who have gone recently and they were able to avoid the whole breast touching thing almost most of the time and still made awesome $$$... guess it just depends on how smart of a talker you are...if the sales skills suck then your probably gonna have to get dirty. at least thats what I have been told.
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    i doubt sales has anything to do with it. if breast touching is the norm than that is what will be expected, remember girls lie about what contact they do and dont do... all the time. just dont go in thinking your "sales" are so great you wont have to "get dirty". i mean a girl who is WORKING THERE NOW just told you breast contact is expected. not that there is anything wrong with that if you are comfortable with it.
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    vegas, stop being so defensive. People are trying to help. Just because you don't like to hear what they are saying doesn't make the information untrue. It's totally classless to imply that anyone who is actually there doing the work is "dirty" and a bad saleswoman because of what they feel is necessary to do for money. How many times have you gone to a club and paid a dancer to tell you about it, but then learned the harsh reality for yourself? Lots of girls will sugar-coat a situation they were/are in in order to keep away such accusations and judgements.

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    I dont think having your breast touched is dirty, i think going outside the club for more than dinner is DIRTY!!! Maybe i am not the overly-defensive one here abadvi. IF u dont agree then whatever, i really dont care what u or anyone else does to make $$$. knock yourselves out.
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    ab.. You took the words out of my mouth!

    I love melonies info, and she is 99.9 percent correct most of the time. Dont underestimate THE STRIPPERWEB godess!!!

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    I'm definitely no goddess here or anywhere else. I also haven't been to Asia in a while, so it was entirely possible that things had changed. However, some things appear to stay the same (like Japanese mens' love for Anglo girls' breasts LOL).

    Nobody said anything about dirty stuff going on with customers outside the "gai-jin" clubs either - the "dating" thing is almost like playing the part of a subservient trophy wife for a few hours, and is nothing like after-hours up close and personal services which are offered by some girls working in American clubs.

    But what I DID say, which was true in the past and is apparently still true, is that outside the club "dating" is still expected both by Japanese customers and by the clubowners. Outside the club "dating" provides a tidy little revenue stream for the clubowners, which they'll usually share with the dancer involved in the form of bonuses on top of any money you receive directly from the customer. The only thing "wrong" about this is that it makes for a situation where you may wind up working 12 hours a day 6 days a week for several weeks straight if you do it, and you'll wind up taking heat from the clubowner over lost revenue if you don't do it.

    Also, in regard to sales skills, unless you are fluent in Japanese your sales skills are going to be limited to the 20-30% of customers who are fluent in English. But for the other 70-80% of customers, it usually boils down to very few words, lots of facial expressions, etc. Basically, it is your appearance which "sells" you, along with a willingness to kiss Japanese customers' asses while smiling.

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    You guys are right, I can^t see how it would be possible for any dancer to get out of having her breasts touched during private dance. High contact is expected here, and that is probably why the rate for each dance is so high (the standard in the clubs mentioned is 7000 yen per dance or 5000 in happy hour), compared with other countries.

    Outside-the-club dating is exactly as Melonie describes above - going out with dancers/ hostesses here is part of the culture for Japanese men, and they are not expecting to do anything sexual with you on the date. If they wanted that kind of date they would go to a club featuring non-Western girls, who make their money that way. You will probably we asked out for dinner all the time, and it will be impossible to go out with every who asks - so just go out with the guys who are either big spenders or you have taken a liking to. The guy will have to pay a special fee when he takes you to the club to work, later on in the evening. We are also encouraged to do the dates (they are called dohan) on slow days to increase the number of customers on these days. I am trying to get as many dohan as possible during May as my club have just introduced a new system where you get a fat bonus for thrice-weekly dohan for a month.

    I had a great dinner last night with my customer! I^ve started to get very snobby about food with all this delicious grub I^m being bought by customers, that is the only problem! I always email my boyfriend the customer^s name, company, and telephone number, together with meeting place and time, etc, before the date, so if anything bad happens (like what happened to Lucie Blackman) the guy will at least be able to be tracked down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty-chan link=board=27;threadid=8677;start=msg103661#msg103 661 date=1083384052
    You guys are right, I can^t see how it would be possible for any dancer to get out of having her breasts touched during private dance. High contact is expected here, and that is probably why the rate for each dance is so high (the standard in the clubs mentioned is 7000 yen per dance or 5000 in happy hour), compared with other countries.

    Outside-the-club dating is exactly as Melonie describes above - going out with dancers/ hostesses here is part of the culture for Japanese men, and they are not expecting to do anything sexual with you on the date. If they wanted that kind of date they would go to a club featuring non-Western girls, who make their money that way. You will probably we asked out for dinner all the time, and it will be impossible to go out with every who asks - so just go out with the guys who are either big spenders or you have taken a liking to. The guy will have to pay a special fee when he takes you to the club to work, later on in the evening. We are also encouraged to do the dates (they are called dohan) on slow days to increase the number of customers on these days. I am trying to get as many dohan as possible during May as my club have just introduced a new system where you get a fat bonus for thrice-weekly dohan for a month.

    I had a great dinner last night with my customer! I^ve started to get very snobby about food with all this delicious grub I^m being bought by customers, that is the only problem! I always email my boyfriend the customer^s name, company, and telephone number, together with meeting place and time, etc, before the date, so if anything bad happens (like what happened to Lucie Blackman) the guy will at least be able to be tracked down.
    For some reason, I hadn't heard the Lucie Blackman story, assumed it was grisly and sad, searched it, and this is what I found:

    Lucie Blackman's body found PRINT FRIENDLY EMAIL STORY
    PM Archive - Monday, 12 February , 2001 00:00:00
    Reporter: Peter Martin
    COMPERE: Japan and Britain are coming to terms with shocking news about the fate of a 21 year old woman who arrived in Tokyo last year, intending to make money to pay for a trip to Australia.

    Lucie Blackman worked as a hostess in a Tokyo bar. Her body has been found, cut into eight pieces, with its head encased in concrete. Our Tokyo correspondent, Peter Martin, reports.

    PETER MARTIN: Buried underneath an old bathtub and some shrubs in a cave by a beach about 50 kilometres south of Tokyo, were eight blue plastic bags. Inside them chopped up body parts, and also a cement block inside of which was a human head.

    On the weekend Tokyo police chipped away at the concrete block and found teeth that matched the dental records of Lucie Blackman. And also blond hair that matched the samples provided by her parents.

    Lucie Blackman arrived in Japan in May last year, aged 21. She loved it here. She wanted to make money to fund a trip to Australia. Like many Australian, British, Canadian and New Zealand young women, she worked illegally in a club, The Casablanca Club in Tokyo's seedy entertainment district of Roppongi.

    Wages in the clubs are good. Anything from $50 an hour to $150 to chat to and drink with Japanese businessmen. But the greater the pay in those clubs, the more that's expected. The high paying clubs demand that hostesses also see a certain number of clients outside of the club.

    Lucie Blackman phoned a friend last July to say she was going driving by the beach with a client just before she disappeared. In the beachside flat of 48 year old businessman Joji Obara police have found blond hair they believe is Lucie's, as well as cement and receipts for buying a power saw and a shovel. They've also found about 100 video tapes showing Obara molesting apparently unconscious western women.

    It needn't have gone on for so long, and Britain's Lucie Blackman needn't have died. Back nine years ago a 21 year old Australian woman died in suspicious circumstances in a Tokyo hospital. Coritta [phonetic] Ridgeway from Western Australia had been taken to the hospital unconscious by a man who wouldn't identify himself. Police say they've found the admission papers in Joji Obara's flat. They believe he gave the Australian woman champagne laced with a knockout drug, raped her, and then became alarmed when she wouldn't wake up.

    Her family say they tried to persuade Japanese authorities to investigate the death at the time, but without success.

    Obara has now been charged with that death and five other rapes. He faces court this week.

    Australia's Ambassador to Japan has warned young women against accepting work as bar hostesses. He says people shouldn't be misled by the fact that Japan, as a whole, is very safe. He says work in its bars is not.

    In Tokyo this is Peter Martin reporting for PM.

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    sure lucy blackman, a name synomious ( sp?!) with japan hostess clubs.

    but she was ONE girl out of several thousand every year that go to japan.

    if your not stupid, nothing bad will happen.besides its more likely youll get SARS and die?!!!

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    I agree w/ mermaidnz, i am way more scared of SARS!!! lol lol
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    yah, that about sums it up. IF you're smart....

    scared of sars? sure who isn't...what with all the outbreaks that happened in JAPAN.

    goodluck on your trip.

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    I have to agree - 10 times as many club related girls have 'disappeared' in the northeast US alone over the past 10 years as have made the news in relation to Japanese clubs. The fact remains that placing yourself in a situation where you are alone with a customer always involves risk. It's necessary to be wary of and actively manage that risk - to develop an instinct about it - and to steer the situation such that you can minimize the likelihood of an unseemly occurrence being possible. This is true whether you're seeing customers outside of a club in Tokyo or NYC or London.

    The complicating factor is of course that if something untoward should happen while you're dancing in a foreign country, local law enforcement is quite likely to give the local customer the benefit of the doubt. Local law enforcement is also NOT likely to invest a ton of time and money into thoroughly investigating the 'disappearance' of a 'foreigner' under suspicious circumstances, particularly if influential and powerful local men turn up as being involved in the situation.

    Kitty also pointed out something which was trying to delicately get across to you in a previous post about all Japanese clubs NOT being equal. There ARE other clubs in Japan as well as in Hong Kong, Macao etc. which more closely resemble european 'sex clubs' than US 'show clubs'. All the more reason to do your homework and be sure you know what sort of club you're signing on with before you get there !

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