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    Hey I have a question for customers: Do you find it fake when a girl approaches you right after you see her approach another customer (presumably because he turned her down)? I mean if you see a girl sitting with someone else for a minute, then get up and walk over to you and start flirting, do you feel less special than if she had approached you first? I guess I just feel fake bouncing from customer to customer, always with the cheerleader personality shining away, acting interested in what they have to say but inevitably searching for cash. It's hard to make it seem like anything less than a hustle.
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    I don't care if the lady is "bouncing from customer to customer" or the "wanna dance" girls. Isn't that part of your job to make your money?
    I just want the girl to smile when she asks if I want a dance.
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    I have no problem with a girl going around from guy to guy as long as she is friendly in doing so. The problem I see is when I observe a dancer asking someone for a dance too quickly ("wanna dance") and is consequently rejected and handles it poorly. For me rude behavior and frowns from dancers are sure dance-killers. Just try to be friendly and smile and you shouldn't have to go around to too many guys before getting some dances.
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    I appreciate it when the ladies circulate and make themselves available. In so many places the dancers sit together between sets without bothering to circulate, it's very annoying. But when you do approach me, I'd much prefer "Would you like some company?" rather than "Wanna dance?" If I say yes, sit and chat with me for a minute or two before asking if I'd like a dance. If I've agreed to let you sit down, I will almost always go for at least one dance. Also when you approach, do so from in front of me so I can see you coming, and have a big smile on your face. It will improve the chances that I will say yes. And if I offer to buy you a drink and you accept, have the courtesy to stay with me while you drink it. And don't be afraid to ask again later. I once became a regular of a girl I first turnied down, mainly because she approached from behind me and I had no chance to see what she looked like before she asked if I wanted company.
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    Celeste, thank you so much for posting this question, because I to have been wondering the customers views on that!


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    No customer should be offended because you go from one guy to the next. It's your job, and most guys will appreciate it that you work hard to do it well. Just be polite and act like you sincerely are interested in the customer.
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    There's understandably some confusion on the whole concept of hustling so let me clarify...

    DISCLAMER: opinions expressed here may not reflect the opinions of other customers.

    Frankly, I don't see why "hustling" per se has gotten such a bad rap. To me, a gal who is working the floor is one who has her eyes on the prize, and is a much better candidate to make a sale from me. I've also found with rare exception that its that type of gal who gives me my money's worth when I say yes.

    I actually enjoy being asked by a gal if I'd like a dance with her. It shows that she thought I was worth the time to ask. It won't guarantee her a yes by any means, but how is she going to find out otherwise? I'm absolutely baffled by the customers who complain "these girls are just doing this for the money" to which I say, "Well, DUH!" I've been in enough strip clubs to know the dancers are after whats in my wallet.

    Being hustled only becomes an annoyance when one of the following occurs:

    1. I get hounded so frequently for dances that I feel like I'm the "no thank you" guy in an assembly line.

    2. The dancer puts no pizazz into her approach. I know we use "wanna dance" as a figurative term to describe a lazy dancer's approach, but I've seen gals who literally say those exact words, sometimes without breaking stride. It's as if they expect a sale to just fall into their hands.

    3. When my "no thank you" is followed up by a whiny "why not?" or some likewise tantrum.
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    It doesn't bother me, but I also go to small local clubs that get very dead at times and tend to have the majority of dancers sitting around playing video poker. So I love it when they work the room and go around to every guy! Woo-hoo!

    Don't worry about it being "fake." That kind of fake I can handle, it's the "bored staring at the wall refuse to make eye contact or smile once" fake during an LD that upsets me.
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    Doing your job I don't think is a problem for any customer. But, I'll just add, to me it's noticeable if a girl is so quick with the "wanna dance" and the fake smile or no smile. It's like she expects to be turned down and is just going through the motions. Now a beautiful girl working the room with a nice attitude, handling rejection with class, is a nice sight to see.

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    It's expected that a dancer is going to work the floor.. it's a natural part of the biz.

    That being said, I'm going to have to go against the grain here and be a bit more honest to declare I am quite leary and generally avoid the random, high volume ping-pong/wanna-dancer's since it's a surefire indicator of someone fairly green and likely inexperienced.

    You see, just running the floor and hitting in some random pattern isn't really maximizing your profits. You're expending a lot of energy for lower returns. The key is to REALLY work the floor.. waltz around, be weary of eye contact, smiles or guys interested. It also doesn't hurt to be spirited to your fellow girls on stage. The dancer wandering, making lots of eye contact, occasionally woo'ing/cheering the girl on stage, while making very selective, only periodic swoops on the interested customers get's my attention over the random ping-ponger. It also gives a lower-volume/more relaxed state to the dancer, which in turn gives the subliminal image of better value/unrushed dancer. Someone that has ping-ponged 5 times in 15 minutes right before hustling me gives her an aura of being a high-volume, "dance and dash" and likely not a good value to spend on.

    Obviously, there are going to be nights where the whole crowd is like a bunch of stunned carp. They look like statues standing upright with a drink in their hand, frozen in time, jaw agape. The only thing you CAN do is start a random hustle pattern and hope for the best. But the other 90% of the time, work on focusing on your visibility, note the responses, key on the positive. You'll reduce your hits, have greater success with them, and appear MUCH more professional as your hustle volume will be subtantially lower. Customers seeking value will be more favorable to this approach, and it's win-win since you'll likely expend less time trying to coax someone not fully interested, while your competition is landing the hard sell on the guy that really wanted a dance with you.

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    Your have to ask everyone in the room. it's called hustling. I don't even go on stage. I refuse to show myself for a dollar.
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    It doesn't bother me at all if a dancer is doing her job and working the room. By the same token, I don't feel incredibly inclined to say yes to those girls, because "i'm sure she'll make her money"...definitely like the sit down before the request, because it is a fantasy, and my fantasy isn't quick anonymous sex. Furthermore, if a dancer I happen to like is sitting within view with another guy for a more extended period of time, it just encourages me to compete with them, which is probably going to be good for business, and if the girl catches me looking while she's dealing with another customer and smiles, it's all over, because I am suddenly different from the rest of the men in the room...I'M the one she *really* wants to be talking to.

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    Doesn't bother me either, I agree with some of the others in that what does bother me is the ones with the "i'm at work and want to be somewhere else" attitude. I like to get my LP from dancers that appear to be having a good time and enjoying what they are doing, I'm there to have a good time and get some stress relief. Making eye contact and a smile is often enough to indicate that I'd like a dance, even with the girls on stage (which often is the 1st time you notice a dancer, many times I see a good stage dance and say to myself "self you needa get a dance from that lady")

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    Bottom line- Pattern Analysis, Yeah! Ladies, us customers are fish! Hook and bait for the fish to be caught, not hope to catch fish for the hook and bait you have.
    You know or will learn what type of pond/fishing grounds you work in- tourist (non-repeat oriented) and neighborhood (repeat oriented), what type of bait and hook to use!
    Sometimes we're in a feeding frenzy and it does not take very much to land one, and sometimes strikes are few and far between. Majority of the times, the hook and bait a particular fisher-stripper will not land many or most fish, but it is ambrosia for some.
    Generalized a lot, but hope you get the drift :o
    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=8;threadid=8762;start=msg104568#msg1045 68 date=1083584999
    It's expected that a dancer is going to work the floor.. it's a natural part of the biz.
    That being said, I'm going to have to go against the grain here and be a bit more honest to declare I am quite leary and generally avoid the random, high volume ping-pong/wanna-dancer's since it's a surefire indicator of someone fairly green and likely inexperienced.
    You see, just running the floor and hitting in some random pattern isn't really maximizing your profits. You're expending a lot of energy for lower returns. The key is to REALLY work the floor.. waltz around, be weary of eye contact, smiles or guys interested. It also doesn't hurt to be spirited to your fellow girls on stage. The dancer wandering, making lots of eye contact, occasionally woo'ing/cheering the girl on stage, while making very selective, only periodic swoops on the interested customers get's my attention over the random ping-ponger. It also gives a lower-volume/more relaxed state to the dancer, which in turn gives the subliminal image of better value/unrushed dancer. Someone that has ping-ponged 5 times in 15 minutes right before hustling me gives her an aura of being a high-volume, "dance and dash" and likely not a good value to spend on. Obviously, there are going to be nights where the whole crowd is like a bunch of stunned carp. They look like statues standing upright with a drink in their hand, frozen in time, jaw agape. The only thing you CAN do is start a random hustle pattern and hope for the best. But the other 90% of the time, work on focusing on your visibility, note the responses, key on the positive. You'll reduce your hits, have greater success with them, and appear MUCH more professional as your hustle volume will be subtantially lower. Customers seeking value will be more favorable to this approach, and it's win-win since you'll likely expend less time trying to coax someone not fully interested, while your competition is landing the hard sell on the guy that really wanted a dance with you.

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    No, I think it is perfectly ok. First of all every guy won't like every girl, so it is normal. Of course if she is just going to each one and spending 5 secs, saying "Wanna Dance" then there is a reason she is bouncing around. But hey it is your job to ask and get dances, and each to her own on the approach. If it works for you, go for it. I think if I guy likes you, he won't care who you were just at, he will just be like that last poor sap doesn't know what he is missing.

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    I am a girl who bounces from customer to customer, always smiling and friendly. I DO enjoy my job and my smile isn't fake. I am not a wannadance girl but I don't spend more than a song (usually only a minute or two) with a guy before asking for a dance. Keep in mind I'm in a $10 dance environment and it's very high volume. If a guy turns me down I simply tell him I have to get back to work and to "have fun" or "have a good night" as I head off to the next one. I find that most guys appreciate this and I do very well with it. The only guys I find who dislike my approach are those who, as someone else mentioned, are there trying to get a date - and they would dislike ANY girl's method who isn't saying yes to a date!

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    My approach is similar to Bridegette's approach. While I do tend to "work the room" meaning I do not sit in one place for long, I do not feel guys dislike this approach. While I do approach many customers, I always make sure to focus all my attention on the specific customer I am talking to or dancing for at the moment.

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    I had an experience in Seattle years that illustrated how this tactic can be.

    Three friends and I walk into the club. Never having been there before, we stumble around trying to find a place to sit and do so. In about 15 seconds, a young lady descends upon us like a dive bomber with the killer line, "You wanna dance?"

    She's completely lacking in any and all personality and it was a total turn-off, so I politely said, "No, thank you," and she sidestepped to my friends on the left, being rejected in succession using the same approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=8;threadid=8762;start=msg118704#msg1187 04 date=1086558363
    Keep in mind I'm in a $10 dance environment and it's very high volume.
    Ugh. I still can't believe in this day and age such a thing as a $10 dance exists.

    In that kind of climate, I see no harm or foul with a dancer working the room like a pinball as it would not only say much about some of the customer base, but also the volume needed to make a comfortable return.

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    On a busy night, like Friday and Saturday, there is nothing wrong with high hustle. I will use a more clever variation on "wanna dance" but its the same idea.

    The club will be too loud and packed for conversation, and if the guy wants a lapdance in any privacy, he had better say yes right away and move quickly because the lapdance areas fill up quickly!!

    Thus, going from guy to guy is often the best strategy...it doesn't take too long for a big fish to bite, hehe!

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