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    i think porn is prostitution,i mean your getting paid for sex.same as prostitution.

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    It depends on which country (even state/province) you're asking this question in. Just FYI, in many countries, exotic dancers would be considered prostitutes.

    In some Western countries, producing porn is different from prostitution because the one paying the porn actress and actor (or whatever combination you'd like to toss in there) isn't one of the parties involved nor are they viewed as personally getting sexual gratification as their motive is profits of selling it to others.

    However, what does it matter if porn is prostitution or not? Being a libertarian, as long as both parties are consenting adults, there should be nothing wrong with what they do as far as the government should be concerned.
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    No, it's not the same. In porn you are getting paid to make a movie so the sex is acting. In prostitution you are paid to have sex.

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    Yes, I agree with jedi...Porn is pure entertainment. The actors are not enjoying themselves...they are doing it solely for the enjoyment of others...they don't even do it for the money. Prostitution, however, is done solely for the money. Prostitutes don't care what entertainment her john gets, just as long as she's paid...so there's a difference.

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    I agree with Jedi as well. Porn is entertainment. Every porn star I have met have all said the same exact things about it. Its a job, there is no enjoyment other than the money that is made which is absolutely insanely high- one porn star that featured at my club told me she owns three homes, one which is 170 acres in Montana. She is only 30 something and plans on retiring in two years.

    Prostitution is not an industry for entertainment other than for the man who is paying for sex because he can't get it anywhere else.

    I guess my main issue is with prostitution is this: Why pay for sex? I mean, how ugly, desperate and old do you have to be? I mean, for chrissakes, go into any bar in the US and you will find the lonely, the ugly and the desperate, (and those of us who go for girls night out and bday parties etc.. )come closing time, I'm sure you can find someone to take home....

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103495#msg1034 95 date=1083361174
    Yes, I agree with jedi...Porn is pure entertainment. The actors are not enjoying themselves...they are doing it solely for the enjoyment of others...they don't even do it for the money. Prostitution, however, is done solely for the money. Prostitutes don't care what entertainment her john gets, just as long as she's paid...so there's a difference.
    Having known women on both sides of this argument as well as many producers of porn, I can tell you honestly that there many girls that do porn not only because they like it, but because it pays the bills and is easier to do than dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103503#msg1035 03 date=1083361872
    I guess my main issue is with prostitution is this: Why pay for sex? I mean, how ugly, desperate and old do you have to be? I mean, for chrissakes, go into any bar in the US and you will find the lonely, the ugly and the desperate, (and those of us who go for girls night out and bday parties etc.. )come closing time, I'm sure you can find someone to take home....
    The reason is because with prostitution, it's a guarantee. If I'm at the Mandalay Bay here in Las Vegas, and I entertain a woman and spend a lot of money on her, there is no guarantee of anything afterwards, especially if I don't have "all the right moves". With hiring a prostitute, there are a lot of other things to consider. First of all, a guy doesn't have to go through the rituals of getting to know one another. Second, it's a guarantee you are going to have sex with a girl of your choosing, and more importantly, since you are paying for it, you are more likely to get in return what you specifically are requesting. Yes, it is much more business-like, but if a guy wants XYZ, then he is more likely to get it with the girl he wants AND, it may cost about the same, or even less, than he might spend on a woman that he may or may not take home. I look at it like this... The difference between taking a woman home you picked up in a bar and hiring a prostitute is a lot like the difference between going to a topless show on the Strip in Vegas and going to a gentlemen's club. I mean, in both cases, the customer is seeing topless women, right? Sure there are similarities, and yet one is more of what the customer wants than the other. I'm not trying to make the connection between prostitutes and dancers...far from it. In my book, it's night and day by comparison. But also in my book, if you are getting paid for sex, you are a prostitute. Where the source of the money came from or whether there are cameras present to me is irrelevant. I mean, if it quacks like a duck, has a long bill and webbed feet, well, let's call it a duck. Heck, look at Websters:

    Prostitute (pros·ti·tute): 1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts; 2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.

    So, just to get some other points of view on this, how is participating in a porn shoot different than this first definition? Also, keep in mind, I consider this the same defitinition for the guys who do porn also, not just the women. But seriously though, if I walk on a set, have sex with a strange guy while others video tape it and then get paid for it, how is it not prostitution? Just because the intent is different doesn't mean the definition is.

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    <<<The actors are not enjoying themselves...they are doing it solely for the enjoyment of others...they don&#039;t even do it for the money. Prostitution, however, is done solely for the money.>>>

    I&#039;m sorry, but am I reading this right??? Porn actresses do it because they love to make people happy? Are you delusional? That&#039;s like saying strippers only give lap dances cause it turns them on.

    <<<In porn you are getting paid to make a movie so the sex is acting. In prostitution you are paid to have sex.>>>

    Guess what - if the penis goes into the vagina (ass/mouth/ear) for money, it ain&#039;t acting, it&#039;s sex for money. The ONLY difference is whether or not the camera is there. -- "Hey, I&#039;ll give you a thousand dollars to fuck this guy" - you&#039;re saying whether or not I film makes a moral difference?

    <<<Prostitution is not an industry for entertainment other than for the man who is paying for sex >>>

    So, the difference is if you fuck for one person&#039;s pleasure you&#039;re a whore, if you fuck for a thousand people&#039;s pleasure, you&#039;re an artist. OK. Clear on that now. Thanks.

    lol don;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with porno, I just think prostitution should be legal too. Consenting adults, etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103510#msg1035 10 date=1083362831
    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103503#msg1035 03 date=1083361872
    I guess my main issue is with prostitution is this: Why pay for sex? I mean, how ugly, desperate and old do you have to be? I mean, for chrissakes, go into any bar in the US and you will find the lonely, the ugly and the desperate, (and those of us who go for girls night out and bday parties etc.. )come closing time, I&#039;m sure you can find someone to take home....
    The reason is because with prostitution, it&#039;s a guarantee. If I&#039;m at the Mandalay Bay here in Las Vegas, and I entertain a woman and spend a lot of money on her, there is no guarantee of anything afterwards, especially if I don&#039;t have "all the right moves". With hiring a prostitute, there are a lot of other things to consider. First of all, a guy doesn&#039;t have to go through the rituals of getting to know one another. Second, it&#039;s a guarantee you are going to have sex with a girl of your choosing, and more importantly, since you are paying for it, you are more likely to get in return what you specifically are requesting. Yes, it is much more business-like, but if a guy wants XYZ, then he is more likely to get it with the girl he wants AND, it may cost about the same, or even less, than he might spend on a woman that he may or may not take home. I look at it like this... The difference between taking a woman home you picked up in a bar and hiring a prostitute is a lot like the difference between going to a topless show on the Strip in Vegas and going to a gentlemen&#039;s club. I mean, in both cases, the customer is seeing topless women, right? Sure there are similarities, and yet one is more of what the customer wants than the other. I&#039;m not trying to make the connection between prostitutes and dancers...far from it. In my book, it&#039;s night and day by comparison. But also in my book, if you are getting paid for sex, you are a prostitute. Where the source of the money came from or whether there are cameras present to me is irrelevant. I mean, if it quacks like a duck, has a long bill and webbed feet, well, let&#039;s call it a duck. Heck, look at Websters:

    Prostitute (pros·ti·tute): 1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts; 2. One who sells one&#039;s abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.

    So, just to get some other points of view on this, how is participating in a porn shoot different than this first definition? Also, keep in mind, I consider this the same defitinition for the guys who do porn also, not just the women. But seriously though, if I walk on a set, have sex with a strange guy while others video tape it and then get paid for it, how is it not prostitution? Just because the intent is different doesn&#039;t mean the definition is.

    I guess I didn&#039;t think of it as a guarantee. I just don&#039;t understand why anyone would have to pay for sex. But, you make some good points.


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    I&#039;m sure some porn stars and prostitutes actually do enjoy what they&#039;re doing, as well as strippers



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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103510#msg1035 10 date=1083362831
    Prostitute (pros·ti·tute): 1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts; 2. One who sells one&#039;s abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.
    *biting my tongue. biting my tongue. biting my tongue*

    otoh, I&#039;m sure some porn stars have sex for money off camera as well.

    but I really don&#039;t want to get into the whole whore argument again so I will continue to bite my tongue and probably won&#039;t even click back on this thread.



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    Yeah porn stars just do it for fun,not money or enjoyment are we kidding.It is also a huge misconception that porn stars make huge money.Most make most their money of feauturing.Movies dont pay a hell of a lot unless you have a big name in porn already or you have a contract with a huge company like vivid.There are a handfull of porn stars who make huge money but the average girl gets like a thousand or 2000 a movie.Some make less.

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    Putting aside all of the moral issues and judgements, from a purely LEGAL standpoint there is a world of difference between doing porn and performing acts of prostitution. First of all, acting in a porn film is specifically protected by first amendment rights, whereas prostitution certainly isn&#039;t. Second, with the porn industry the money exchanged is between the producer and the actor, and the actor&#039;s job is to have sex on camera - there is never a case where one actor pays another actor for the privelege of having sex. In a nutshell, in most US states at least, porn acting is 100% legal and prostitution is 100% illegal.

    Most make most their money of feauturing
    This is true but doesn&#039;t tell the whole story. If you&#039;ll check you&#039;ll see that many porn actresses do feature, but the income they receive in the form of a feature fee from the club is not that much. The REAL income potential comes from using a feature tour as a means of writing off travel expenses from city to city for feature performances, but with the real emphasis being placed on advance booking "1 on 1 private sessions" with fans in those cities at prices in the $1000 per hour ballpark !

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    i SO want to jump in on this one..........

    but you already know what i think. lol. if only we still had karma, this would be a great thread for me to rack up the negative points.

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    hahaha sandy. Yes, bodymiracle was the site I was thinking of but couldn&#039;t remember the name.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103503#msg1035 03 date=1083361872

    I guess my main issue is with prostitution is this: Why pay for sex? I mean, how ugly, desperate and old do you have to be? I mean, for chrissakes, go into any bar in the US and you will find the lonely, the ugly and the desperate, (and those of us who go for girls night out and bday parties etc.. )come closing time, I&#039;m sure you can find someone to take home....
    My take on this is that&#039;s not actually the typical John. It&#039;s the stereotype yeah, but I think more John&#039;s have issues with regection than anything else. Then I think there&#039;s a subset of Johns who have control issues.

    That&#039;s my observation anyway of the the customers who asked for paid dates


    And I do think Porn is prostitution- just a more evolved form of it.
    The john&#039;s are just the ones buying the porn instead of the one doing the screwing

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    Melonie,
    very informative - thank you- the fact about the 1-on-1 sessions is really interesting and enlightening. Reminds me once again that there are whole worlds out there i know nothing about

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    I&#039;m with you! I&#039;ve often wondered how porn is legal and getting paid for sex isnt?? Arent they generally one and the same?


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    ahhhhhh, this is a tough one!
    I have been a feature for a LLLLLLOONG time, and I ONLY did mags and pageants to boost my credit sheet, then lo and behold I woke up one day and found (to my dismay) that club owner only wanted to book porn stars! I had to ask myself the same queastion being asked here, is porn prostitution? While I was thinking about this all my work dried up. I didnt want to house dance because of the HUGE investment I had made in regards to my feature career, and when I started dancing there was no such thing as a lap dance! (to this day I have never done one, I dont think it&#039;s wrong, it was just a personal choice)
    So I went out to LA and made girl on girl porn. This was my comprimise, I saved my job and my dignity too (since I love the girlies! )
    If both parties are getting paid, than is it different? I dont know.......
    If a girl gives a dance and the guy gets off is she a hooker? I dont know that either. Shades of grey my dears!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103553#msg1035 53 date=1083371269
    <<<The actors are not enjoying themselves...they are doing it solely for the enjoyment of others...they don&#039;t even do it for the money. Prostitution, however, is done solely for the money.>>>

    I&#039;m sorry, but am I reading this right??? Porn actresses do it because they love to make people happy? Are you delusional? That&#039;s like saying strippers only give lap dances cause it turns them on.

    <<<In porn you are getting paid to make a movie so the sex is acting. In prostitution you are paid to have sex.>>>

    Guess what - if the penis goes into the vagina (ass/mouth/ear) for money, it ain&#039;t acting, it&#039;s sex for money. The ONLY difference is whether or not the camera is there. -- "Hey, I&#039;ll give you a thousand dollars to fuck this guy" - you&#039;re saying whether or not I film makes a moral difference?

    <<<Prostitution is not an industry for entertainment other than for the man who is paying for sex >>>

    So, the difference is if you fuck for one person&#039;s pleasure you&#039;re a whore, if you fuck for a thousand people&#039;s pleasure, you&#039;re an artist. OK. Clear on that now. Thanks.

    lol don;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with porno, I just think prostitution should be legal too. Consenting adults, etc etc
    I think you took the words right out of my mouth.

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    What&#039;s wrong with Prostitution?

    I don&#039;t partake, but in many cases it&#039;s adult sensible people making a deal.

    The only kind of sex that I consider immoral (aside from any kind of Rape, including Beastiality and baby-raping) is picking up a drug addicted prostitute. Because then all you are doing is helping her destroy her life in exchange for a headjob. Other than that, i&#039;m not into it but who really gives a fuck?

    If some chick wants to sell it, who cares. I&#039;m not buying but someone is. Adults. No drugs involved? No problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103606#msg1036 06 date=1083379696
    It is also a huge misconception that porn stars make huge money.Most make most their money of feauturing.Movies dont pay a hell of a lot unless you have a big name in porn already or you have a contract with a huge company like vivid.There are a handfull of porn stars who make huge money but the average girl gets like a thousand or 2000 a movie.Some make less.
    Most make less. The majority actually. I was recently flying back to Vegas on a flight from Orlando, Florida and interestingly enough, the two people sitting next to me were porn producers. I learned more about the industry than I ever could have imagined in those few hours. Having known a few adult actresses, I already knew that many girls make less than $1000 a shoot. One girl I know told me she got paid 1500 because she was going to do her first appearance in an Ed Powers video. Anyway, one thing these two guys on the plane told me was that women were lining up to do porn these days. I think one of them even said, "You&#039;d be amazed what these girls will do for money...even $750 or $1000 and these girls will do anything you want them to nowadays."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103793#msg1037 93 date=1083403225
    What&#039;s wrong with Prostitution?

    I don&#039;t partake, but in many cases it&#039;s adult sensible people making a deal.

    The only kind of sex that I consider immoral (aside from any kind of Rape, including Beastiality and baby-raping) is picking up a drug addicted prostitute. Because then all you are doing is helping her destroy her life in exchange for a headjob. Other than that, i&#039;m not into it but who really gives a fuck?

    If some chick wants to sell it, who cares. I&#039;m not buying but someone is. Adults. No drugs involved? No problems.
    I have no problem with legalizing prostitution provided it&#039;s done in a way where everyone is safe. The way it&#039;s done down here in Pahrump is extremely regulated, and everyone is happy. The girls have to go through routine testing and the customers know it&#039;s a safe place to go. Heck, even our Mayor recently was testing the waters about legalizing prostitution in downtown Las Vegas. Interestingly enough, the public here seemed to like the idea a bit.

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    It&#039;s pretty much the same thing. It&#039;s just one is legal. Could you set up a brothel, where all johns are actually paying to produce their own videos, and send em with a copy? Maybe when I&#039;m not hammered I&#039;ll look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLDiscoLawyer link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103800#msg1038 00 date=1083406572
    It&#039;s pretty much the same thing. It&#039;s just one is legal. Could you set up a brothel, where all johns are actually paying to produce their own videos, and send em with a copy? Maybe when I&#039;m not hammered I&#039;ll look it up.
    It works like that in California.... However, in MA and RI its illegal to film penetration(for the purpose of sellling, but who knows, maybe its just illegal to film it in general....puritans and all). This way, people can&#039;t pay others for sex and claim its for porn, since it would be illegal to film. i&#039;m exhausted, didnt sleep well, hope that made sense.

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