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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103793#msg1037 93 date=1083403225
    What's wrong with Prostitution?

    I don't partake, but in many cases it's adult sensible people making a deal.

    The only kind of sex that I consider immoral (aside from any kind of Rape, including Beastiality and baby-raping) is picking up a drug addicted prostitute. Because then all you are doing is helping her destroy her life in exchange for a headjob. Other than that, i'm not into it but who really gives a fuck?

    If some chick wants to sell it, who cares. I'm not buying but someone is. Adults. No drugs involved? No problems.
    whoa whoa whoa...some of us can only afford the crackhead prostitutes! I am so tired of you rich elites trying to restrict my hooker options!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103813#msg1038 13 date=1083416670
    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103793#msg1037 93 date=1083403225
    What's wrong with Prostitution?

    I don't partake, but in many cases it's adult sensible people making a deal.

    The only kind of sex that I consider immoral (aside from any kind of Rape, including Beastiality and baby-raping) is picking up a drug addicted prostitute. Because then all you are doing is helping her destroy her life in exchange for a headjob. Other than that, i'm not into it but who really gives a fuck?

    If some chick wants to sell it, who cares. I'm not buying but someone is. Adults. No drugs involved? No problems.
    whoa whoa whoa...some of us can only afford the crackhead prostitutes! I am so tired of you rich elites trying to restrict my hooker options!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103797#msg1037 97 date=1083403601
    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103793#msg1037 93 date=1083403225
    If some chick wants to sell it, who cares. I'm not buying but someone is. Adults. No drugs involved? No problems.
    I have no problem with legalizing prostitution provided it's done in a way where everyone is safe. The way it's done down here in Pahrump is extremely regulated, and everyone is happy. The girls have to go through routine testing and the customers know it's a safe place to go.
    Being a libertarian, I think regulation of such an activity is wrong. As for then making it safe, that's where marketing can come in. If I were to run a brothel, I would advise how often my workers were tested AND that instead of the usual visual inspections all brothel workers do of their johns before they do the deed, my brothel would have a trained certified nurse do the visual inspections and conduct one of those quick STD tests of the johns. Testing the johns adding another measure of prevention thus protection. It would make it even more unlikely one of my workers will catch a STD and thus spread it to customers. Like Mercedes-Benz, I'd sell my club on being the safest. When a john enters my establishment, they'd be welcomed and then taken into a side room where a digital mug shot of just their face would be taken ... ..., a visual inspection of them done ... ..., and blood sample taken. While the blood test is run, I'd have the john sit in the reception room. Once the test comes back negative, on with the parade of beauties. If it comes back positive, the nurse would tell the guy what the test thinks he has, encourage him to get further tested, and show him the door. My nurse would then call all the other brothels in the city, alert them that this guy is STD-positive, and group email them the digital photograph of the guy so they know what he looks like.

    Heck, even our Mayor recently was testing the waters about legalizing prostitution in downtown Las Vegas. Interestingly enough, the public here seemed to like the idea a bit.
    A good start for Las Vegas would simply allow brothels in the neighboring counties to advertise in LV. Currently that's illegal. If the mayor is considering legalizing prostitution in LV to get rid of the street hookers in LV, allowing neighboring-county brothels to advertise would probably be an easier sell to the electorate. However, if the mayor is viewing this as a revenue-producer for LV, then legalizing it would be the route to go.
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    I'm with you! I've often wondered how porn is legal and getting paid for sex isnt?? Arent they generally one and the same?
    According to the Supreme Court's interpretation, no they are not similar at all. Acting in a porn film on a movie set, or on a "legitimate' stage (i.e. Broadway), is considered to be an artistic performance. As such, the actors/actresses are paid for their performance by the producer. The fact that the script happens to include sex acts is beside the point. The performance is protected under the first amendement, and the actors are specifically exempted from being charged with prostitution.

    On the other hand, a prostitute or her pimp engages in a business transaction directly with a customer who paid the money. The entire point of the business transaction is that the prostitute receives money in exchange for providing sexual contact with the customer. Legally speaking there is no "legitimate" performance involved, no first amendment protections etc.

    It's pretty much the same thing. It's just one is legal. Could you set up a brothel, where all johns are actually paying to produce their own videos, and send em with a copy? Maybe when I'm not hammered I'll look it up.
    The only way this would be legal is if the 'John', while acting as producer, did not have sex with any member of the cast and also if the 'John' paid BOTH the male and female actors in his film.

    Lower courts have interpreted that a person spending money to finance a "private porn film" gives up all pretense of a legitimate artistic performance (and therfore gives up all first amendment rights relating to artistic performance) once he becomes an active participant in the sex acts he is filming. When that happens, the 'John' is clearly paying money in exchange for sexual contact, which violates prostitution laws, and just happens to be videotaping himself committing that crime.


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    All I know for sure is, asking a dancer before a private dance to "make a porn movie" with you won't go over any better than the prostitution offer. Nice try though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103846#msg1038 46 date=1083426781

    A good start for Las Vegas would simply allow brothels in the neighboring counties to advertise in LV. Currently that's illegal.
    Actually, one of the brothels figured out a loophole in this already. Sherri's Brothel, one of the brothels out in Pahrump (1 hour drive out of Vegas) bought out a very small club in Vegas. It's now called Sherri's Cabaret. The customer/John goes in, talks with a few dancers and they may even dance for him there. Then she says something to the effect of, "I'd really like to take this to the next level. How about we take a limo to where we can have some more adult ful legally?". Then, they take the customer with the dancer/prostitute out to their brothel where everything else is legal.

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    OK, How about we take this discussion in another direction.....Escort Services.

    How do escorts get around the law? They advertise on the web and in newspapers, open any big city phonebook and you will find pages of advertisements. Some even advertise "full-service". They even quote a price or "donation" for the escorts "time and companionship". Then they have the little disclaimer that "This is not a solicitation for prostitution, only companionship, any thing other activity that happens is strictly between two consenting adults".

    After the john pays his "donation" and both parties are satisfied that the other is not a cop, they fuck like rabbits. But this "appears" to be completely legal. I just don't understand how they get away with it, but LE busts the hookers and johns on the street for doing pretty much the same thing. I also understand thet there are some escort services that are legitemate and provide just companionship and no full service, but I think the majority are the other type.

    By the way, I think prostitution should be legalized in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103909#msg1039 09 date=1083439324
    All I know for sure is, asking a dancer before a private dance to "make a porn movie" with you won't go over any better than the prostitution offer. Nice try though.
    I actually do receive such "private porn movie" offers several times a year, and for astronomical amounts of money. I turn all such offers down, though - just not my thing.

    How do escorts get around the law? They advertise on the web and in newspapers, open any big city phonebook and you will find pages of advertisements. Some even advertise "full-service". They even quote a price or "donation" for the escorts "time and companionship". Then they have the little disclaimer that "This is not a solicitation for prostitution, only companionship, any thing other activity that happens is strictly between two consenting adults".
    In a nutshell, THEY DON'T. If an escort is busted for prostitution, there's virtually no way she's going to be able to beat the charge. As you say, the only real legal difference between an upscale escort and a street hooker is that the upscale escort usually has several intermediaries involved in the financial transaction (making it harder to prove in court that the escort was paid for sex) where the street hooker/john direct transaction serves as instant proof of payment. Also, the upscale escort is doing her thing in a physical setting which is much more secure and far from the eyes of police who don't have a concrete reason to be looking in her direction (making it harder to prove in court that sexual contact occurred), versus a street hooker who is blatantly doing her thing on the sidewalk and a nearby parking lot or hourly motel.

    Neither of these make escorting any more legal, just much less likely to be prosecuted because much more effort is required for the police and DA to come up with the proof they need in court. But if they take the trouble to gather the financial and sexual contact evidence, the escort is not going to escape a prostitution conviction.

    The "time and companionship" announcements that you see on escort websites are legally worthless BTW. I suspect that their real intent is simply to offer would-be customers who are "thinking with their little head" a phony peace of mind that when they spend money to book an escort that they are not subject to a prostitution bust themselves.

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    By the way, I think prostitution should be legalized in the US. Just my 2-cents worth
    Perish the thought ! If prostitution were widely legalized and accepted, the only dancers who would still be able to make money by dancing would be the girls working at Scores and Penthouse and a handful of other super-upscale show clubs. Every other dancer in every other club would be expected to put out or get out, just as has already happened in european clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103940#msg1039 40 date=1083442618
    By the way, I think prostitution should be legalized in the US. Just my 2-cents worth
    Perish the thought ! If prostitution were widely legalized and accepted, the only dancers who would still be able to make money by dancing would be the girls working at Scores and Penthouse and a handful of other super-upscale show clubs. Every other dancer in every other club would be expected to put out or get out, just as has already happened in european clubs.
    Melonie, excellent point! Obviously we would all be out of jobs because first of all most of the girls arew against "high" mileage. Imagine if asked to give a bj or sex???
    I dont find it WRONG, just that if it were legal, we'd be in deep shit. hahaha

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    strictly ajob? just for entertainment? are you kidding me?it's just a job to them?!no way. they do it for entertainment purpeses only? if they didn't enjoy it why do they cum? so what your saying is that they didn't enjoy that orgasm?they get paid for having sex,selling there bodies same as prostitutes. prostitutes get arreseted for selling there bodies because the goverment doesn't get a cut out of it as peorn stars pay there taxes!

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    This is what I think.Prostitutes do it for money.I dont think most are enjoying it. I think its done mostly for money or drugs.Now porn stars they do it because they like it.W hould youget fucked in the ass by three guys for a measly thousand bucks if you didnt like it.

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    Darkness, I actually find it hard to believe that most pro's achieve orgasm. I could be wrong.

    Isn't orgasm in women two-thirds mental?

    P.S. (Edit)~ And I REALLY doubt that the Orgasms a porn star is shouting out... is a real orgasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103948#msg1039 48 date=1083442988
    This is what I think.Prostitutes do it for money.I dont think most are enjoying it. I think its done mostly for money or drugs.Now porn stars they do it because they like it.W hould youget fucked in the ass by three guys for a measly thousand bucks if you didnt like it.
    But Michelle, who CARES if its for enjoyment or money? Obviously each side is STILL collecting money.
    So if a hooker is horny, and gets offered money to screw, and she ENJOYS it, does that excempt her from being a prostitute? No way in hell. If she gets caught, she will be arrested.

    Porn stars do it because of the money as well. And many like it, too.
    It doesnt change the matter here. Both parties are screwing and receiving money at the end. To label it because of "only money" and "enjoyment" is ludicrous.
    So why dont porn stars just screw people, and NOT get paid? Doesnt make sense. Hell, if its only for enjoyment, WHO CARES about money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reliance6791 link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103924#msg1039 24 date=1083441464
    OK, How about we take this discussion in another direction.....Escort Services.

    How do escorts get around the law? They advertise on the web and in newspapers, open any big city phonebook and you will find pages of advertisements. Some even advertise "full-service". They even quote a price or "donation" for the escorts "time and companionship". Then they have the little disclaimer that "This is not a solicitation for prostitution, only companionship, any thing other activity that happens is strictly between two consenting adults".

    After the john pays his "donation" and both parties are satisfied that the other is not a cop, they fuck like rabbits. But this "appears" to be completely legal. I just don't understand how they get away with it, but LE busts the hookers and johns on the street for doing pretty much the same thing. I also understand thet there are some escort services that are legitemate and provide just companionship and no full service, but I think the majority are the other type.

    By the way, I think prostitution should be legalized in the US.
    Just my 2-cents worth
    I agree and dissagree at the same time. I don't think It should be made strictly legal (as in that 'legal' things have little to no restrictions. Such as just being 18 for buying ciggarettes). I do think it should be decriminalized and regulated. Issue Pro's an ID card and require them to take STD tests to keep the registration. This would also take care of the Crackheads out there, since, chances are, she will not have a registration (as she's out there because of need as opposed to making a buck to pay the rent). If the Pro doesn't have a card, she goes to lock-up and, hopefully, gets some help. Also takes care of the 12 year olds that assholes like to buy. Not 18? No card. No Pro. Free trip to jail, and a social worker (with any luck).

    Don't get me wrong, i don't like prostitution, but too many people forget that they are humans too. All too often we, as a human race, forget the old adage "there but for the grace of god go I."

    A sensible person can make a choice, someone running shit up their arm or smoking poison off a pipe has already demonstrated that they lack sense. Is it right to make their decision for them? No. But they need someone to lift a finger. It sickens me that most do not.

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    My post had nothing to do with prostitution.Just an observation to hoe everyone is saying porn stars do it only for money. No enjoyment whatsoever.I never really thought about weater porn stars are prostitutes or not.Doesnt effect me.I just thought it was ludicrious tat people thought porn stars do what they do because they didnt like or enjoy it.I mean really like I said earlier, would you get fucked in the ass by three guys for less than a grand if you didnt like it?

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    Man Iam sorry for my typing today.I just re read my post and I sound or read like Iam tweety bird.

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    Michelle~

    Most male porn stars are gay, so I can't really comment. I can say that I would certainly have a ton of fun at the job, if it were mine. :grin:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103940#msg1039 40 date=1083442618
    By the way, I think prostitution should be legalized in the US. Just my 2-cents worth
    Perish the thought ! If prostitution were widely legalized and accepted, the only dancers who would still be able to make money by dancing would be the girls working at Scores and Penthouse and a handful of other super-upscale show clubs. Every other dancer in every other club would be expected to put out or get out, just as has already happened in european clubs.
    Plus women wouldn't be as successful with the "withold sex" technique for getting their way.
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    Oh please, there's a lot more in the female arsenal than the "withold sex" routine. Take it from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103604#msg1036 04 date=1083379425
    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103510#msg1035 10 date=1083362831
    Prostitute (prosĀ·tiĀ·tute): 1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts; 2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.
    otoh, I'm sure some porn stars have sex for money off camera as well.

    Go to the bar at the Palms in Vegas on weekends and you'll likely see a few. Also, high-end escort agencies often promote porn stars for "limited engagements".
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    Better bring yourself a couple grand, though. Something tells me Devon isn't letting herself go for less than an arm or leg.

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    hmmm, madcap, is that the voice of experience talking ?

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    Never paid for it. Not to say temptation hasn't been there, though.

    By God temptation has indeed been there. I just have a problem with the meat in the butcher shop line of thinking, curse that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8789;start=msg103964#msg1039 64 date=1083443971
    I agree and dissagree at the same time. I don't think It should be made strictly legal (as in that 'legal' things have little to no restrictions. Such as just being 18 for buying ciggarettes). I do think it should be decriminalized and regulated. Issue Pro's an ID card and require them to take STD tests to keep the registration. This would also take care of the Crackheads out there, since, chances are, she will not have a registration (as she's out there because of need as opposed to making a buck to pay the rent). If the Pro doesn't have a card, she goes to lock-up and, hopefully, gets some help. Also takes care of the 12 year olds that assholes like to buy. Not 18? No card. No Pro. Free trip to jail, and a social worker (with any luck).
    What? Now let me get this straight. You think that a crackhead isn't going to continue to do a non-violent illegal act to pay for their addiction if it was all of a sudden decriminalized and regulated but still out of their reach? You're not making any sense. Think about it. The crackhead is right now running the risk of arrest and jail. It wouldn't matter in the slightest if you made it hard for them to get your prostitution permit or not. They'll still do it the same way. The only difference is that they'll have to sell their bodies for even less.

    A sensible person can make a choice, someone running shit up their arm or smoking poison off a pipe has already demonstrated that they lack sense. Is it right to make their decision for them? No. But they need someone to lift a finger. It sickens me that most do not.
    It's called personal responsibility and accountability. Did someone hold a gun to their head to smoke that joint? No. Should taxpayers be required to pay for the cleaning up the addict's mess after they make that decision? Hell no. If your child trashed their bedroom, would you give them a hug and then clean and repair it for them as they eat milk and cookies out in the kitchen? I've known too many addicts in my forty years. I knew of NONE that cleaned themselves up before they've hit bottom. It is only when they hit bottom do they decide on their own that what they're doing is wrong and they take action to stop their bad habit(s). Providing them a safety net is simply enabling them. Will we lose some of them to overdose? Yes, we will, but we would anyway. What I'm advocating is "tough love". Those of weak wills do addicts no favor.

    However, I am in favor of charities helping the addicts that seek help on their own. People give to them of their own free will and know what their money is going to fund. Private charities also have a better track record of success, doing it for less money, and not bringing politics into the issue.
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