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    How digusted and ashamed was i when i watched this on the news a few hrs ago!


    On April 29, CBS television's "60 Minutes II" program screened graphic images of Iraqi prisoners being tortured and sexually humiliated by US troops at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. The photographs, which show American soldiers- men and women-smiling, laughing or giving thumbs-up signs alongside naked Iraqi prisoners, expose the sadistic and brutal methods employed by American forces and provide more evidence of the catalog of war crimes being committed by US-led forces in Iraq.

    One of the pictures shows an Iraqi prisoner standing on a box with a hood over his head. Electric wires are attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted. Another photograph is of naked male detainees stacked in a pyramid shape, one of the men has a slur written on his skin in English. In some pictures, prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other while US troops point and laugh.

    The photos have surfaced in connection with the suspension in March of 17 members of the 800th Military Police Brigade for mistreatment and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in November and December of last year. The jail was infamous for torture and executions under the Saddam Hussein regime.

    Six of those suspended were charged with dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts-the military's term for sexual abuse-and could be court-martialed and jailed.
    ..... click here for the rest of the story http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=841

    You can also check the story and pictures here ( the pictures they aired on the news were actually worse ) http://www.supanet.com/newsweather/foreign_news.php4


    What a joke is.... when the news broke this morning, everybody was up in arms talking about how sick and evil the American's are.... A few hrs later they showed more recent pictures of soldiers urinating and whiping the Iraqi soldiers, only this time they were British soldiers.... That shut everybody up!

    Anyway i just wanted to know your thought's.... i personally find it embarrassing and sickning.... This is no different from what sadam did imo.

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    Well...people will only be outraged and hate whoever is doing something mean or whatever at the moment. In the end...WTF?? Wasn't Bush's new excuse for going to Iraq to "stop the evil"? How are we any better than the terrorists?

    What made me laugh was Bush's comment that "Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people. That's not the way we do things in America. I didn't like it one bit."

    No, the way that we do things in America is lie to Congress about where we're spending the war money and lie to the American people about exactly what it is we are doing. Oh, and we completely disregard the UN about Iraq to begin with...sending our families over to Iraq to fight a war that should never have been started. And, aside from the fact that he (Bush) has no problem raping our country and her beautiful land...why would he have a problem letting our people "rape" the "enemies"? No one is innocent in this war. If you are not guilty of one thing, then you are guilty of another. In this case, the "Americans" are not guilty of the crimes to humanity (like Saddam), but we are guilty of violating the Geneva conventions with the POW's.

    Yes...we are so much more superior to other countries. We are so much more civil and socially advanced. I can see how far we've come...(I'm being sarcastic).

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    IT seems to me that if you cant tell these pictures are the troops just fu***** around then maybe you should take a closer look before proclaiming how utterly embarassed you are of our troops or to be an american or whatever! If u cant tell those pics. arent legit then i dont know what to tell you. but in a time of war our boys over there risking their lives so that u can enjoy the freedom to post things like that about them need your support much more than u talking about how ashamed u are. Either support our troops and there efforts to protect u or keep it to yourself.

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    Well, I'm very disgusted at graphic violence in any case. The fact that it's going on during this whole Iraq situation doesn't surprise me. It still is very sad. They don't deserve it, just as our service men and women wouldn't deserve it. Those people do not deserve to be humiliated and degraded like that, no matter where they're from, and our armed forces have no right doing so.

    On the other side of that, our service men and women have been through hell over there. Deaths are reported nearly every day, more than when the actual war and takeover of Iraq was taking place. But, I haven't seen any sick and twisted pictures of that.

    One of the most graphic things that has never left my memory since this whole situation began, was the brutal killing of journalist Daniel Pearl. His torture, murder, and so much more was recorded and broadcasted. It's still floating around on the net today. I have it bookmarked, but I won't post it here, it's too graphic.

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    Vegas,
    I LOVE when people say things like "We have the right to free speech here so you should SHUT THE FUCK UP!" howwhathuh??? you have to right to express your opinion, so you should be so thankful for that right that you never use it.

    Just bury your head in the sand and think everything we do is right so then the next time some buildings get blown up you can act surprised and say "why do they hate us!? They must be crazy!?!"

    The disturbing thing about this to me is that some soldiers are saying they did these things at the instruction of non-military "interrogators" -- (CIA? mercenaries???) which makes you wonder whether it really is the work of a few individuals or part of a larger policy that is tolerated (ends justify the means)


    That said i don't think American soldier's are any more cruel than any other soldiers (in fact, thanks to extensive training, are usually far less cruel than most) -- the point is that this shit happens during an occupation, which was one of the arguments against the war in the first place. You think these pictures are bad, if the situation doesn't improve there will be far worse atrocities carried out in the coming years -- hard to see your buddy get his leg blown off and not thirst for revenge, especialy if you're a 19 year old surrounded by a culture of machismo and testosterone.

    Sure, only a very small percentage of the soldiers will be cruel, but when you have 130,00 soliders over there for months/years, that leads to significant abuse (and every reported abuse leads to more hatred, which leads to more fighting against Americans, which leads to more American soldiers taking a bit of revenge....)



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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103543#msg1035 43 date=1083369303
    IT seems to me that if you cant tell these pictures are the troops just fu***** around then maybe you should take a closer look before proclaiming how utterly embarassed you are of our troops or to be an american or whatever! If u cant tell those pics. arent legit then i dont know what to tell you. but in a time of war our boys over there risking their lives so that u can enjoy the freedom to post things like that about them need your support much more than u talking about how ashamed u are. Either support our troops and there efforts to protect u or keep it to yourself.

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    Umm.....No#1 I am not American. And YES i am ASHAMED of the American and British soldiers who tortured and humilated the POW's.... Wasn't it the british and American goverment who went ballistic when the American or british soldiers were captured and had there faces shown on live TV? because it was against the "Geneva conventions".

    And your comment "but in a time of war our boys over there risking their lives so that u can enjoy the freedom to post things like that about them need your support much more than u talking about how ashamed u are" Is a joke.... and how do you think the soldiers who have risked their lives to fight for their country and this war will feel when they see what their fellow soldiers are doing. I am not critising or dis-ing "the troops" i am simply saying how disgusted i am with the "group" of soldiers who stripped, whiped and sexually abused the iraqui soldiers. I don't care what side you are on.... they didnt deserve that as far as i'm concerned.... weren't they doing exactly what the american and british soldiers are doing?.... fighting for their country?

    Oh and sweetie i don't have to keep my opinions to myself.... This is public board that we "all" share... if you dont like what i have to say... then dont read it. Personally i think if you dont have anything constructive to add to the subject, well then maybe you should "keep it to yourself"

    Oh and VG i agree bush's speech was a joke.

    Seraya.


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    Very well said, Seraya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103551#msg1035 51 date=1083370902
    Very well said, Seraya.

    thanks hun

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    This outrages me too. Violence begets violence, etc. etc. etc. The soldiers that did this are sick, end of story, and I truly hope they are punished accordingly. True, Americans are being killed over there, but honestly, this type of shit is not going to solve the problem. Grief.

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    OK, I am going to use small words so that you can all understand... what i was saying was that it looked like it was our troops dresses up as iraqi prisoners as a joke. I know not all strippers are stripping because they are too dumb do to anything else but some people on this board make me wonder.....
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    p.s. all of you please do me a favor....

    When one of you loses a family member because of the irrational acts of some raghead with a bomb strapped to his body please let me know if your views change or if u all of a sudden feel the same as me.
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    Wow.. Alright, I highly doubt those pictures are staged. I know that you may not want to believe that it's happening, but it obviously is. It's happened in past conflicts also. There's no need to insult someone else's intelligence simply because you don't agree with them, or they don't agree with your theory of staged photographs. Bottom line, it happened. It's wrong, no matter how you look at it. Furthermore, if it was staged, they wouldn't be bringing charges against 6 soldiers who were involved.

    We want our POWs to be treated humanely according to the Geneva Conventions, then we should be doing the same for the POWs that we take. What's good for the goose...


    From AOL News:


    Updated: 01:08 PM EDT
    Arab Stations Show Iraqi Prisoner Images
    By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD, AP

    CAIRO, Egypt (April 30) - Arab television stations led their newscasts Friday with photographs of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated by U.S. military police. One main channel called the pictures evidence of the "immoral practices" of American forces.

    The images, including prisoners naked except for hoods covering their heads, documented alleged abuses that have led to charges against six American soldiers. They were first broadcast Wednesday night in the United States on CBS' "60 Minutes II."

    The Dubai-based Al-Arabiya and the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera channels blurred the nudity of the prisoners.

    The images were potentially inflammatory in an Arab world already angry at the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Arabs consider public nudity dishonorable.

    "This will increase the sense of dissatisfaction among Iraqis toward the Americans," said U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council member Mahmoud Othman. "The resistance people will try to make use of such painful incidents."

    Prime Minister Tony Blair's office Friday condemned the alleged abuse of Iraqi prisoners, but stressed it did not reflect the conduct of the vast majority of coalition troops.

    "This is not representative of the 150,000 soldiers that are in Iraq," Blair's official spokesman said.

    Blair's spokesman also confirmed eight cases of alleged mistreatment of Iraqis by British personnel were being investigated by the army's Special Investigations Branch. The Royal Military Police's Special Investigations Branch began its probe in June 2003 after an Iraqi POW reportedly was photographed suspended in netting from a fork-lift truck.

    "Where allegations are made, they will be investigated by the SIB, and that's what every soldier who wears the British uniform knows," he added.

    Al-Jazeera introduced the pictures by saying they showed the "immoral practices" of Iraq's occupation forces. The anchor reported that some of those responsible would face trial and could be discharged from the Army.

    Among the images shown by the news channels were a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. CBS reported that the prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, although in reality the wires were not connected to a power supply.

    Both stations also showed a photograph of a female U.S. soldier standing by a hooded naked prisoner. The soldier is pointing at his genitals, which are blurred out, and grinning at the camera.

    The stations also broadcast a picture of several naked men intertwined as if they were engaging in a sex act.

    CBS said the images were taken late last year at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, where American soldiers were holding hundreds of prisoners captured during the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    The prison was the most notorious under Saddam Hussein. Its jailers allegedly tortured and killed thousands of Iraqis, and a cemetery outside has dozens of unmarked graves.

    "The Saddam era was full of executions and torture, and we want the new Iraq to be clean of such images," Othman said.

    The images caused outrage among viewers as well.

    Omar Boghdady, an Egyptian insurance agent, said he was "disgusted and angered by those humiliating pictures."

    "The scenes were really ugly, seeing people naked piled on top of each other blindfolded," said Boghdady, 25. "It really made me angry, but this is war."

    In March, the Army said six members of the 800th Military Police Brigade faced court-martial for allegedly abusing about 20 prisoners at Abu Ghraib. The charges included dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts with another person.

    In addition to the criminal charges, the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison, including Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the commander of the 800th Brigade.


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    If you guys want to believe what you hear or see on ARAB TELEVISION then be my guest....".you cant believe everything you hear" that is true now multiply that truth by 1000 when you are watching / listening to arab television in a time of war. you dont want me to insult anybody's intelligence on here right? well then why are you all acting unintelligent?
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    Quite honestly, the only one who's projecting their unintelligence here, is you. You can sit there all day and say "The photos are staged. blah blah blah" all you'd like. It doesn't change the fact that they did it. The article I posted was not only an Arab television thing (Which, by the way, was from an article, not watching actual Arab TV), has been on CNN periodically through the day. You can be close-minded all you'd like, but don't expect us to be the same way. Maybe you'd be happy if we all cheered and said "Yeah! Those (insert racial comment here) deserve it!". Keep waiting for that. I support the troops, but I don't support those type of acts. It's wrong, and if it had been done to our POWs this time around, you'd be bitching about that.


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    Did anyone realize that was why the sadists who did this were being courtmartialled? And this was before 60 minutes got word of it? No comment so far that the person in charge of this institution was a female? Are we to infer that, therefore, all women are sadists? Or all female soldiers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103563#msg1035 63 date=1083373947
    OK, I am going to use small words so that you can all understand... what i was saying was that it looked like it was our troops dresses up as iraqi prisoners as a joke. I know not all strippers are stripping because they are too dumb do to anything else but some people on this board make me wonder.....
    no#2 im not a stripper.

    Anyway........

    This wasn't only shown on only Arab tv its being shown WORLD WIDE ....

    If you call pictures of of naked men lying on top of each other with their ass cheeks spread open, with soldiers standing by with the good ol' thumps up, staged.... then you are more stupid than you come across in your posts.

    No-one was disrespectful to you in their posts so pls don't insult us by making out we are "unintelligent". Pls check your attitude, which i have noticed from you quite a few times on this board.

    Anyway thats is all i have to say on the matter... i didnt post here to argue, just to voice my opinion on the subject..... but to be honest this isn't something i thought you could argue over.... any decent human being knows what these soldiers did was wrong.... plain and simple.

    Seraya.

    Ps.. btw sorry ppl i was mean't to type POW not POV lol





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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103539#msg1035 39 date=1083369195
    In this case, the "Americans" are not guilty of the crimes to humanity (like Saddam), but we are guilty of violating the Geneva conventions with the POW's.
    yes you are right..... it isn't the same as what sadam did..... The sick shit he did was on a whole different level. Its just so disappointing though.... its only adding salt to injury, ppl around the world are already angry at the "british" and the "americans" for starting this war..... this only makes it, or should i say "us" in their eyes look worse!

    Btw did you know that this month we had the worst blood share....... 130+ soldiers were killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103595#msg1035 95 date=1083378732

    That said, I don't see why Seraya or any of the rest of us, or any of the thousands of man and women in the British and US military should feel ashamed. Disgusted, yes - ashamed, no.
    Yes this is true.... I just think that what they did was shameful. The Americans and British goverment are constantly bragging about being a "civilised nation" who are there to "save" other poor countries from dictatorship and torture. I'm not saying that this isn't the case and it is true that the military shouldn't have to answer for what small group of sick soldiers did.... all i'm trying to say is.... its just adding salt to injury. The soldiers are suppossed to be in Iraq keeping things in order and helping the ppl not handing out punishment to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103595#msg1035 95 date=1083378732

    If it's wrong for us to hate and distrust all Arabs for 9/11 and related events, why are some of you so anxious to justify Arab hatred of all Americans?
    ??? I don't believe anybody here is justifying the hatred towards the American ppl.... Its wrong either way. I just hate the goverments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103595#msg1035 95 date=1083378732
    In case nobody noticed, the Iraqis, Al Quaeda and their allies haven't been exactly following the letter of those rules either
    Too right but the american/british goverment are the first to complain when they don't.... but then a group of our soldiers go and do this. But to be honest the starting of this war by bush and blair wasn't exactly "following the letters of the rules" either imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103595#msg1035 95 date=1083378732
    Maybe we should be publishing more photos of the mutilated corpses of our soldiers to remind ourselves the stakes here are a bit higher than the outcome of a Sunday afternoon football game.
    Yea.... which is very sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103549#msg1035 49 date=1083370142

    The disturbing thing about this to me is that some soldiers are saying they did these things at the instruction of non-military "interrogators" -- (CIA? mercenaries???) which makes you wonder whether it really is the work of a few individuals or part of a larger policy that is tolerated (ends justify the means)
    I know right.. its scary. But im not really suprised... its usually the ppl at the top who are the worst.

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    If you guys want to believe what you hear or see on ARAB TELEVISION then be my guest....".you cant believe everything you hear" that is true now multiply that truth by 1000 when you are watching / listening to arab television in a time of war. you dont want me to insult anybody's intelligence on here right? well then why are you all acting unintelligent?
    Actually, IMHO I'm not so sure that the real agenda of Al Jazeera and CBS news are all that much different any more (I'd laugh but it really isn't funny!)

    When one of you loses a family member because of the irrational acts of some raghead with a bomb strapped to his body please let me know if your views change or if u all of a sudden feel the same as me.
    I was lucky enough not to lose any family on 9/11, but I did lose two friends. I agree with you that it must be much easier for people who were not directly affected by 9/11 to be voicing opinions undermining the coalition middle east war effort than if they had the horrific personal memory of that day as we do.

    Part of me feels bad for the supposed mistreatment of arab prisoners by coalition personnel. But on the other hand, another part of me wants to alligator clip a 220v generator to their scrotums and have fun throwing the switch ! You have to remember that the 'victims' we're talking about here are people who are willing to murder indescriminately in support of their extremist cause. I suppose this will draw 100 times as much press coverage though as the recent incident with Fallujians dragging charred dismembered American corpses through the streets !

    These were actions by a group of individuals, not the entire population of two countries. If it's wrong for us to hate and distrust all Arabs for 9/11 and related events, why are some of you so anxious to justify Arab hatred of all Americans?
    This approaches the heart of the matter IMHO. 98% if Iraqis probably just want to be left alone, are relieved that Saddam's goon squads are no longer officially around to abduct and 'disappear' family members, and just want a chance to live their lives. 1% of Iraqis are pissed off that they've lost the former priveleges they enjoyed under Saddam, can clearly see a power vacuum, and would like to fill that vacuum themselves to regain former power and privelege. 1% of Iraqis have actually bought into the arab fanatic cause (or perhaps more accurately stated as the anti Israeli cause), and this group is the primary cause of trouble (with a lot of outside help from Syria, Iran, Osama etc.)


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    I ,for one, believe the incidents that are portrayed to have happened did happen.

    I do not believe it was a huge consipracy. I believe it was some yucks that definately got out of hand and there deserves to be a court martial to investigate and judge what the hell happened.

    I do not believe it is representative of all or even a minority of the troops in Iraq right now. Remember it was a fellow soldier who called bullshit on all of this and informed command.

    Unfortunately, it is a propaganda coup for those who are against us. We might have a chance to prove to these people, but basically making an example out of these soldiers, that we are there for different purposes. In fact, we MUST make an example of them to prove our belief in fairness.

    I will be straight up - I do not like middle eastern arabs and muslims. I think they live in and propagate a very violent culture and breed hatred. It has spread out to non-arab places like Uzbekistan, Chechnya and Afghanistan. There are 15 or so conflicts occuring right now. Everyone of them has a muslim aspect to it. It can lead one to believe these people cannot get along with anyone.

    The Jews had Joshua and the Judges, stomping around the country side. The Christians - a younger religion than Judaism - had the crusades (which, by the way, were started by muslims invading Romania). Now Islam, the youngest of the three religions mentioned, is having their Jihads. It is just part and parcel of religion.

    WeLuckyFew, I respect your thought out opinions. I believe that in order for the leaders of these people to stay in control, they need a boogie man just like Hitler had his Jews, and the KKK had black people.

    For twenty or thirty years now, they have been raising their children to hate those who are not Muslim or arabic. There is no logic to hatred, it is an emotion - a learned emotion. The hatred is part of the culture, and it can be found among the wealthy and educated down to the poor and ignorant.

    Wahabism is the root of this, and it is an ideology that must be tamed. Nazism was an ideology also, but it only had some ten years to ferment, and really didn't matter much until the last five years before WWII.

    This sentiment against the west has been going on for more than fifty years. The seeds of hatred are beginning to roost, as was shown in Jordan with a plot to kill over 80,000 people. Yes, 80,000 arabs. You don't see that on TV.

    I only hope, that by keeping the fight over there, we are keeping most of the trouble makers busy over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103638#msg1036 38 date=1083382054
    If you guys want to believe what you hear or see on ARAB TELEVISION then be my guest....".you cant believe everything you hear" that is true now multiply that truth by 1000 when you are watching / listening to arab television in a time of war. you dont want me to insult anybody's intelligence on here right? well then why are you all acting unintelligent?
    Actually, IMHO I'm not so sure that the real agenda of Al Jazeera and CBS news are all that much different any more !

    When one of you loses a family member because of the irrational acts of some raghead with a bomb strapped to his body please let me know if your views change or if u all of a sudden feel the same as me.
    I was lucky enough not to lose any family on 9/11, but I did lose a couple of friends. I agree with you that it must be much easier for people who were not directly affected by 9/11 to be voicing opinions undermining the coalition middle east war effort than if they had a horrific memory of that day as we do.
    My mother was there at the time, she was supposed to be flying home from JFK that very day. I could have lost family who were trapped there in new york. I didnt have anybody friends or family close to me die but i have friends who did. A lot of ppl were effected by it and witnessed that horrifc day but they still don't agree with the war.

    But the war in Iraq wasn't "suppossed" to be about 9/11.... At the time it was all about the Al-queda.... untill they couldn't find bin-laden and then moved on to Iraq, claiming that they were storing "WOMD" ... weapons which haven't been found till this very day.

    Personally i just think its sad that hundreds of thousands of innocent ppl have lost their lives..... be it soldiers, muslims, americans, british etc.

    Seraya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103654#msg1036 54 date=1083383425
    just because it's sad is nothing to be ashamed of.
    I didn't say that i was ashamed to British or that anybody should feel ashamed to be American. I simply said that i am ashamed of those soldiers who did those things, soldiers who are supposed to be representing our "civilized"country..... The same way im proud of the soldiers who are actually serving the country.

    Seraya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103652#msg1036 52 date=1083383087
    Quote Originally Posted by seraya (london) link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103624#msg1036 24 date=1083380916
    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103595#msg1035 95 date=1083378732

    If it's wrong for us to hate and distrust all Arabs for 9/11 and related events, why are some of you so anxious to justify Arab hatred of all Americans?
    ??? I don't believe anybody here is justifying the hatred towards the American ppl.... Its wrong either way. I just hate the goverments.
    Not you Seraya, I only used your name because you started this thread feeling ashamed, and I didn't think you should. And not in this particular thread, but yes, there have been several posts in related threads reminding us of every mistake America may have made in the last 60 years and saying because of this we shouldn't be surprised Arabs hate us.
    Yes, right here, guilty as charged - we SHOULDN'T be surprised the Arabs hate us. WE overthrew elected governments, WE propped up autocratic rulers, WElooked the other way when they violently crushed dissent within their own country. Do i agree with the terrorists? NO! But that doesn't mean we're blameless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seraya (london) link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103653#msg1036 53 date=1083383219

    But the war in Iraq wasn't "suppossed" to be about 9/11.... At the time it was all about the Al-queda.... untill they couldn't find bin-laden and then moved on to Iraq, claiming that they were storing "WOMD" ... weapons which haven't been found till this very day.

    Personally i just think its sad that hundreds of thousands of innocent ppl have lost their lives..... be it soldiers, muslims, americans, british etc.

    Seraya.
    Maybe you should know some things that the US media hasn't been telling you. Like this photo shows, there is some shit buried out in Iraq. (Russian MIG sold to Hussein during the embargo of war technology. Also found was French equipment on the plane. Any wonder why Russia and France didn't want us to go to war with Hussein?)

    Until we get a bunch of old geezers from florida with their metal detectors wandering around the thousands of square miles of desert Iraq has, we are going to be looking for a long time.

    But the Bath'ist party had some shit going on there, and it reached pretty high into the UN as the billion dollar corruption scandal over the "Oil for food" program is beginning to show.

    Look, the dude was dangerous. He was flinging missles at our UN air patrols at least once a week before the war, which in it's self deserved a good stomping on. He had gas weapons and the technology to make it. It was only a matter of time before something would happen here in the USA using his money and technology. Then everyone would be saying "Why didn't we remove Saddam from power?"

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