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    Deagol's list in meaningless.

    The USA has 130,000 troops in Iraq, while the entirety of the 'coalition' has about 30,000 all put together (not sure how much Britain has so I did not count them). Ooooooh, spain withdrew it's seven guys, big loss.

    Come on, lets get real. Japan's whole 500 soldiers left? Lets all weep.

    Get outta here. The 'coalition of the willing', is in fact the 'coalition of the lipsynching.'

    No-one sent a substantial troop placement but the british. And we keep dropping bombs on them (which is another story entire).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104086#msg1040 86 date=1083460064
    HEY! Ace_Barker, when did you become Lestat??? I'm very confused.
    They're different people, they just have the same avatar.

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    The only thing that surprises me is that everyone was surprised to hear this.

    I am not putting down every soldier that has gone overseas to truly stop the chaos. For many, it is why they joined the army in the first place. On the flip side, you do get your groups of soldiers who use the job to gain every bit of power, control and authority they can and unfortunately abuse this by being aggressive and yes, dictatorial.

    Sickening isn't even the word. These people don't even know what human rights are and I hope that they get every book thrown at them for what they have done. And you know what? Citizens of the countries they portray (i.e. us) all look the same to these affected individuals. No wonder people are beginning to trust the West less (of course, this isn't the only reason). It's spreading neverending fear of each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104089#msg1040 89 date=1083460501
    Deagol's list in meaningless.

    The USA has 130,000 troops in Iraq, while the entirety of the 'coalition' has about 30,000 all put together (not sure how much Britain has so I did not count them). Ooooooh, spain withdrew it's seven guys, big loss.

    Come on, lets get real. Japan's whole 500 soldiers left? Lets all weep.

    Get outta here. The 'coalition of the willing', is in fact the 'coalition of the lipsynching.'

    No-one sent a substantial troop placement but the british. And we keep dropping bombs on them (which is another story entire).
    Ahhh, you all are a bunch of communists!

    But seriously, they may not have many troops on the ground, but they are allowing us to use their airspace, something that is important in modern combat. They are willing to let us place bases on their soil, and to fly missions from their soil. They are providing materials, both civilian and military. They are providing intelligence, some a little better than others albeit. All of this stuff helps.

    But most importantly, they are all saying "Hey, the UN is broken. We don't know where it got broken or how it got broken, but there is some stuff going on in the world that it is not handling appropriately."

    And simply because Germany, France, and Russia don't want to help doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't interested. If you fill in a map of the countries that are part of the coalition, you will see it approaches forty percent. That is nearly half the world that was concerned about Hussein and is concerned with Iraq. Other than Russia, Germany, and France, (which have all shown they were making money off the cruelty of Saddam) the rest of the world figures it is not their problem. So one can say a great minority of the world is against the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103752#msg1037 52 date=1083396199
    Makes me wonder if you read at all, Seraya, because I explained it was an illegal russian MIG with illegal french electronics equipment.
    I stand corrected... yes you did explain that they claim that it was a russian MIG. I apologize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103752#msg1037 52 date=1083396199
    And yes, I really do know what that picture is all about. It is about Saddam hiding weapons he should not have under the desert.
    The american's claim to have found a russian MIG buried under the desert... however this is reported to be "unclassified" information i e. not confirmed ( read the articles ).... i like how you didn't mention that part, instead post a picture of a jet found buried in the sand and make out as if it is a FACT that WMD were being hidden in Iraq to be used for an attack on the US.

    Just out of curiosty..... did you follow the hutton inquiry? About dr. kelly who was a respected expert on biological weapons and former UN arms inspector. He "supposedly" commited suicide ( yea right!)shortly after the Ministry of Defence, his employer, exposed him as the source of a BBC report which claimed that the government had "sexed up" intelligence on Iraq setting out the case for war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103752#msg1037 52 date=1083396199

    The source of the picture is a captian in the US army.
    Which makes me even more suspicious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103752#msg1037 52 date=1083396199

    You assume to much
    Like i already said neither of us know the real truth so all we can do is "assume". I never once said that there wasn't WMD in Iraq i simply said.....qoute "then moved on to Iraq, claiming that they were storing "WMD" weapons which haven't been found till this very day." Which they have not.

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    "Just out of curiosty..... did you follow the hutton inquiry? About dr. kelly who was a respected expert on biological weapons and former UN arms inspector. He "supposedly" commited suicide ( yea right!)shortly after the Ministry of Defence, his employer, exposed him as the source of a BBC report which claimed that the government had "sexed up" intelligence on Iraq setting out the case for war."

    Seraya, didn't they try to blame Blair for his "murder" and found nothing to prove the government had anything to do with this guys suicide and severely chastised the BBC for their reporting. I think the report came out and said the guys claims were false also. just another conspiracy theory shot down.

    I hate to say it but to me the BBC is not a legitimate news source anymore (along with NBC and CNN). They have an anti-war agenda which is not reporting the news but trying to shape it and they got caught big-time in this doctors suicide. Didn't they also get reporters thrown off British warships because of something either the reporters or the BBC headquarters were doing to the stories? Help me out there seraya, I'm sure you know about this

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    OK I'll get a new avatar but how do I put in a picture? make it easy because I am computer challenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104258#msg1042 58 date=1083511508
    Seraya, didn't they try to blame Blair for his "murder" and found nothing to prove the government had anything to do with this guys suicide and severely chastised the BBC for their reporting. I think the report came out and said the guys claims were false also. just another conspiracy theory shot down.
    That is incorrect. It wasn't actually the BBC who tried to blame the goverment for the death of David kelly. Medical experts, intellegent officers, key witnesses, the British public amongst others do not believe that he committed suicide.

    PPl are also angered at the fact the Lord hutton who lead the inquiry was a judge and not an expert coroner. I feel that the inquiry should have been conducted by an independent coroner/judge not one chosen by the goverment, or whoever.

    The thing is... many doctors and pathologist argued that it would be impossible for him to to die from haemorrhage. There was no obvious arterieal (sp)bleeding. There was no huge blood loss or any obvious blood loss on his clothes, apart from a small patch on his knee. Also David Kelly was a world-class scientist so it doesn't make sense that he would try to cut the ulnar artery, ( which is apparently very unlikely to lead to death )deep inside the wrist and hard to find, with a blunt knife. There is also huge uncertainty that he took an over dose of Co-Proxamol. His dr confirmed that he was never prescribed these pills...... they found an empty pack of 30 by his body but according to the hutton inquiry only a fifth of a tablet was in his stomach, during the autopsy.

    Anyway, sooo much of the evidence didn't make any sense. There were his missing medical files, times didn't make any sense etc but they decided to over look all of this.

    But lets be honest now.... They are hardly likely to admit that he died from "suspicous circumstances".

    The fact is, he was threat and a liability to intellegent sources.

    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104258#msg1042 58 date=1083511508
    I hate to say it but to me the BBC is not a legitimate news source anymore (along with NBC and CNN). They have an anti-war agenda which is not reporting the news but trying to shape it and they got caught big-time in this doctors suicide.

    I actually agree with the first sentence. But the BBC didn't get caught out of anything in this instance.... They are also being accused of being somewhat responsible for dr. kelly's death, because they "outed" him as the source.

    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104258#msg1042 58 date=1083511508
    Didn't they also get reporters thrown off British warships because of something either the reporters or the BBC headquarters were doing to the stories? Help me out there seraya, I'm sure you know about this
    Im not to sure of this story ace, sorry

    Seraya.


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    Well, everyone, I still find it funny that the REASONS we went to war with Iraq has changed a couple of times. First, it was because they had WMD (although none have ever been found). Then, It was because they were trying to rid Iraq of their evil, twisted dictator (for human rights)...now, it seems that we are over there because they help terrorists. Oh, well. Not that this surprises me...It's kind of hard for the President to keep his story straight when there are other people actually running the show...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104259#msg1042 59 date=1083511590
    OK I'll get a new avatar but how do I put in a picture? make it easy because I am computer challenged.
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    I don't mind bitching about the many faults and problems with the U.S., so long as it's constructive and not part of an agenda OTHER than making the country better. What exactly is the solution being offered here? What we're doing right now isn't perfect, but I'm a pretty smart guy and I'm having trouble coming up with a better plan. Kinda tough to form a broader coalition without getting in to bed with other nations who've done wrong (and then aren't we wrong for joining up with them?) Get France and Russia to help? They helped out Saddam. Put an Iraqi gov't in place quickly and leave? The country will tear itself apart far worse than Saddam did. Send more troops and crack down harder? That'll fuel hatred and bring more rebels to the cause. Sudenly just complaining and bitching is sounding like a pretty good plan. LOL
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    Seraya, question for you.
    Not that I have an interest in the matter( I have no dog in this hunt), BUT. Unless there is some unknown estrangement between Dr. Kelly and his family, why does his family not play a lead role in all these suspicions?

    per the BBC at this address:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3513812.stm
    For the Kelly family, barrister Jeremy Gompertz QC said they accepted Lord Hutton's findings "as to the mode and approximate cause of the weapons expert's death".

    But he added: "The family is however disappointed that Lord Hutton did not consider more fully the extent to which the state of mind in which Dr Kelly took his own life was induced by the failings of the Ministry of Defence in the exercise of the duty of care owed to him as his employer."
    Unless I am misreading this, the family has no problems with the conclusion, merely the fact that the Ministry did not see him as a suicide risk and perhaps failed on some other ground?

    As for the wound deemed fatal. If one were to believe that the presumed means of committing suicide would hardly be fatal, is it not even more far fetched that a supposed assasin would attempt to kill him in such a fashion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104300#msg1043 00 date=1083519873
    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104259#msg1042 59 date=1083511590
    OK I'll get a new avatar but how do I put in a picture? make it easy because I am computer challenged.
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    I don't mind bitching about the many faults and problems with the U.S., so long as it's constructive and not part of an agenda OTHER than making the country better. What exactly is the solution being offered here? What we're doing right now isn't perfect, but I'm a pretty smart guy and I'm having trouble coming up with a better plan. Kinda tough to form a broader coalition without getting in to bed with other nations who've done wrong (and then aren't we wrong for joining up with them?) Get France and Russia to help? They helped out Saddam. Put an Iraqi gov't in place quickly and leave? The country will tear itself apart far worse than Saddam did. Send more troops and crack down harder? That'll fuel hatred and bring more rebels to the cause. Sudenly just complaining and bitching is sounding like a pretty good plan. LOL
    I agree, there are no easy answers here, but I believe what's being done is making matters far worse. Hatred of America has skyrocketed (and recruitment of Muslim extremist groups is increasing), hundreds of Americans are dying/being maimed, thousands of Iraqis are dying/being maimed, we're pouring money out over there, etc etc etc

    Problem is George Bush has lost all credibility with the world so he can't get help from where we need it, namely muslim countries. If we had a real coalition (that means they actually contribute) of Egyptian, Saudi Arabian, Jordanian, Indonesian, Pakistani troops - led by the United States - then maybe we could get something accomplished (but it's still a longshot)

    No matter what that country was headed for chaos when Saddam died/was kicked out, but since we're the ones who did it now we're going to shoulder the responsibility and blame for that chaos.


    <<<Well, everyone, I still find it funny that the REASONS we went to war with Iraq has changed a couple of times. First, it was because they had WMD (although none have ever been found). Then, It was because they were trying to rid Iraq of their evil, twisted dictator (for human rights)...now, it seems that we are over there because they help terrorists.>>>

    And don&#039;t forget, Venus, the newest reason is that we&#039;re there to promote democracy so that it will sweep across the Middle East and lead to democracies all across the region. Really? We&#039;re talking about an area of the world that hates America, and we want them electing their leaders? No, America is not interested in democracy in the Middle East for a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104213#msg1042 13 date=1083501126
    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104089#msg1040 89 date=1083460501
    Deagol&#039;s list in meaningless.

    If you fill in a map of the countries that are part of the coalition, you will see it approaches forty percent. That is nearly half the world that was concerned about Hussein and is concerned with Iraq. Other than Russia, Germany, and France, (which have all shown they were making money off the cruelty of Saddam) the rest of the world figures it is not their problem. So one can say a great minority of the world is against the idea.
    You can measure this coalition any way you want, but there are only two ways that matter - who&#039;s paying the bills and who&#039;s shedding the blood. If these countries were really all fired up about Saddam and Iraq they would be doing something. They&#039;re not FOR us so much as just NOT against us. -

    Even look at your own wording - they were "concerned." Well, not concerned enough to do anything more than say "Go get &#039;im America!"


    Russia, Germany, and France were making money off the cruelty of Saddam? What a coincidence, so were subsidiaries of Halliburton while Cheney was still the CEO.

    No one is saying the UN is perfect...no one is even saying it&#039;s a great idea...but it&#039;s the best we&#039;ve come up with so far, and sure as hell beats the alternative.

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    AAAHHH, do any of u know how very entertaining it is to sit back and watch all of u wearing yourselves out thinking that each one of yourselves is Colin Powell or Condaleeza Rice or whoever you all think u are. especially weluckyfew....yeah they could definitely use your harvard degree in the White House lol lol lol
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    IMHO, all of the mysteries regarding "missing" WMD&#039;s will be solved after coalition troops cross the Syrian border and start digging in the Syrian desert !

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    Well, stuff like this has happened in just about every war, since there has been such a thing as war. You wouldn&#039;t believe some of the shit that happened in Vietnam, on both sides. World war 2 was just as bad. The Japaneese soldiers were totally brutal, which led to American soldiers total and complete lack of any mercy in most situations. Did you know that in WWII, most pacific regiments had a policy to never take any prisoners? Many a Japaneese grunt had his brains blown across shallow earth. Not that they didn&#039;t deserve it for the havok they caused in China and the Phillipenes, but still.

    Our guys at least weren&#039;t known for massacreing civillians, like the Imperial Army was, but they offered no quarter. It was a rare event when a surrendering Imperial Japaneese soldier was actually allowed to live. Take one prisoner and you just might get chewed out by the brass.

    Vietnam was worse. My Dad had some stories to tell about that war, once I was old enough to drink a few beers with him. That shit shakes the core. It&#039;s hard to believe.

    Happens all the time. War has that effect on seemingly normal people. The ancient Spartains used to call it the Old Greek word for "Possession.&#039;



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    Or Iran. Or Saudi Arabia. Or any number of other local states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104370#msg1043 70 date=1083538192
    AAAHHH, do any of u know how very entertaining it is to sit back and watch all of u wearing yourselves out thinking that each one of yourselves is Colin Powell or Condaleeza Rice or whoever you all think u are. especially weluckyfew....yeah they could definitely use your harvard degree in the White House lol lol lol
    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104370#msg1043 70 date=1083538192
    AAAHHH, do any of u know how very entertaining it is to sit back and watch all of u wearing yourselves out thinking that each one of yourselves is Colin Powell or Condaleeza Rice or whoever you all think u are. especially weluckyfew....yeah they could definitely use your harvard degree in the White House lol lol lol
    aaahhh...the brainiac from Vegas rears her little head again. Having someone of your obvious depth and experience question my arguments truly shreds my ego.

    If you&#039;d like to rebut any of the points i made (jeez, God knows I made enough of them - ) you&#039;re more than welcome to. So far the only thing we&#039;ve gotten from you beyond "I luvs me my marine" and "You have the right to free speech so shut up!" was when you said that it was obvious to anyone intelligent that the Marines in the photos were just fucking around. Actually you said f***ing around, because someone who extolls the glories of tricking drunk customers out of their entire paycheck is too morally upstanding to actually write the word fuck.

    Well, sorry I don&#039;t have a Harvard degree (which apparently is what you think it takes to have an intelligent opinion) but now it&#039;s coming out that not only are those photos authentic but these things may have actually been done under orders. So that leaves your posts a little thin in the intelligent opinion department. Thanks for playing though, and keep posting all the stupid insults you&#039;d like. Unlike you I actually believe in a few things this nation stands for, like free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104477#msg1044 77 date=1083556099
    Well, stuff like this has happened in just about every war, since there has been such a thing as war. You wouldn&#039;t believe some of the shit that happened in Vietnam, on both sides. World war 2 was just as bad. The Japaneese soldiers were totally brutal, which led to American soldiers total and complete lack of any mercy in most situations. Did you know that in WWII, most pacific regiments had a policy to never take any prisoners? Many a Japaneese grunt had his brains blown across shallow earth. Not that they didn&#039;t deserve it for the havok they caused in China and the Phillipenes, but still.

    Our guys at least weren&#039;t known for massacreing civillians, like the Imperial Army was, but they offered no quarter. It was a rare event when a surrendering Imperial Japaneese soldier was actually allowed to live. Take one prisoner and you just might get chewed out by the brass.

    Vietnam was worse. My Dad had some stories to tell about that war, once I was old enough to drink a few beers with him. That shit shakes the core. It&#039;s hard to believe.

    Happens all the time. War has that effect on seemingly normal people. The ancient Spartains used to call it the Old Greek word for "Possession.&#039;



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    Or Iran. Or Saudi Arabia. Or any number of other local states.
    true, we didn&#039;t massacre villagers at gunpoint, but we certainly slaughtered them from the air (firbombing of Dresden and Tokyo come to mind.) We tend to do our harming of innocents from a distance and console ourselves that we&#039;re usually not intending to harm them, they&#039;re just colateral damage. Obviously we&#039;re not nearly as bad as the Japanese or germans were, but our hands were far from clean. Another difference is that once we conquer we usually try to build them back up (although there were very strong voices calling for the total annihalation of German/Japanese industry, reverting them to agrarian societies)

    As for WMDs, a lot of anti-war opinions I heards thought they exosted, just didn&#039;t think they posed a large enough threat to go to war and take responsibility for an entire nation. And by "not a large enough threat" I mean there weren&#039;t enough of them and those that we thought existed were of low quality and Saddam had no reason to give them to terrorists. Of course if there were tons of them and they were high quality and they&#039;re now scattered to the four winds, like some here are arguing, then now they&#039;re more of a danger to us than they were before the war. Oooppssss.


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    Weluckyfew~

    I appreciate your conviction, but i still must dissagree with you. Yes, when the allies firebombed Dresden we committed a shit act. But it&#039;s not like they had their hands clean either. Do you actually expect me to believe that the German civillians had no knowledge of the camps? They had noses didn&#039;t they? Dresden was so close to a concentration camp that you could have hit it with a baseball! They placed themselves on the wrong side of history, and if we know one thing it&#039;s this: When you place yourself on the wrong side of history you tend to die. Good or bad, you tend to die. You&#039;ll die of old age before you hear me decry the world war 2 soldiers for kicking Hitler&#039;s ass. However they did it. That motherfucker&#039;s ass needed kicking.

    Those people had noses. They were not retards. They might not have known just what was going on, but if you expect me to believe they had no idea, you are sorely mistaken.

    I&#039;ll tell you this, one problem i have with the war in iraq is the constant comparison from Saddam to Hitler. That is ludicrous. Nazi Germany was a WORLD POWER that was #1 on the planet in practically everything! Iraq was (and is) a broken down third world nation. There is no comparison between Saddam and Hitler. Hitler was a bullet-shot more evil.

    My biggest issue with the retarded war in iraq is that it took attention away from getting the dyalysis freak Osama Bin Ladin. Fuck Saddam. Osama needs to feel the hammer.

    I do NOT support the war in Iraq because it makes it less safe for us average americans. All it does is supply Al Quaeda with a steady source of young dumb and full of cum iraqi morons to fly more planes. We need to be kicking bin ladin ass. And kicking it good.

    Iraqw is a distraction from the more important goal.

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    weluckyfew, if i were u (and thank god im not) i would probably not proclaim my supposed politically correct flawless knowledge of our gov. and there reasons or policies regarding the treatment of pows at a time of war for this reason...Madcap makes u severely stand out as the uneducated ass which you have repeatedly shown yourself to be. Until he began to speak up you almost (emphasis on almost) pulled off being mildly informed. But now you just look stupid...very , very, stupid. And the worst part is how unwaveringly sure of yourself you are, because now you have made yourself into a cocky uninformed ass. I hear thats the worst kind to be. However i stand corrected, afterall a pillar of knowledge such as yourself must be right I mean otherwise you might do something other than dj. continue to make an ass out of yourself by talking down to little strippers and then being corrected by madcap, time and time again. Like i previously said, it is now become entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seraya (london) link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg103534#msg1035 34 date=1083368216
    How digusted and ashamed was i when i watched this on the news a few hrs ago!


    On April 29, CBS television&#039;s "60 Minutes II" program screened graphic images of Iraqi prisoners being tortured and sexually humiliated by US troops at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. The photographs, which show American soldiers- men and women-smiling, laughing or giving thumbs-up signs alongside naked Iraqi prisoners, expose the sadistic and brutal methods employed by American forces and provide more evidence of the catalog of war crimes being committed by US-led forces in Iraq.

    One of the pictures shows an Iraqi prisoner standing on a box with a hood over his head. Electric wires are attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted. Another photograph is of naked male detainees stacked in a pyramid shape, one of the men has a slur written on his skin in English. In some pictures, prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other while US troops point and laugh.
    Ok, I, as everyone else, have my own winded opinion about this topic, but did you happen to see the Daniel Pearl video, where he (an American reporter) was decapitated on camera and broadcast for the whole world to see??? Or did you see the photos of the American contractors that were burned and hung from a bridge?
    Troops are there to do a job, and quite frankly, if the succeed, they should celebrate because you known damn well the opposition would!

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    Anyway i just wanted to know your thought&#039;s.... i personally find it embarrassing and sickning.... This is no different from what sadam did imo.
    That&#039;s an incredibly foolish thing to say. Yes, what these soldiers did was wrong, but to equate it with the type of atrocities that we know saddam to be guilty of is nothing short of stupid.

    Humiliation is one thing; systematic rape, murder and torture are quite another.

    And for the record, Iraq 1) WAS a proven sponsor of terror, albeit palestinian, and 2) remained in clear violation of the 1990 cease-fire accord. W of M D aside, that, right there, wat was more than legal justification for the invasion of last April.

    Austin Powers would be ashamed of you. There, I said it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by antsprincesss link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104579#msg1045 79 date=1083594292
    Ok, I, as everyone else, have my own winded opinion about this topic, but did you happen to see the Daniel Pearl video, where he (an American reporter) was decapitated on camera and broadcast for the whole world to see???
    Yep, I remember that one well.. I actually have it bookmarked because someone had requested it awhile back, and I wanted to make sure I could easily access it. It&#039;s definitely not easy to watch. At the end, (while they were holding up his head), they had a list of their demands, and a warning that more incidents such as that would follow, if we didn&#039;t withdraw from Afganistan. Lovely, isn&#039;t it? I wasn&#039;t going to post it, but I&#039;ve had a few PM me and ask to see it. The link is below. But, please, keep in mind, it&#039;s extremely graphic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary McPenis link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104618#msg1046 18 date=1083603182
    color=Maroon]That&#039;s an incredibly foolish thing to say. Yes, what these soldiers did was wrong, but to equate it with the type of atrocities that we know saddam to be guilty of is nothing short of stupid.
    Hello! You obviously didn&#039;t read the rest of thread because you would have noticed my post on page 2....

    Quote "yes you are right..... it isn&#039;t the same as what sadam did.... The sick shit he did was on a whole different level" ~ Seraya.

    But you was probably in such a rush to shoot me down, you over looked that one ......next time pay attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary McPenis link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104618#msg1046 18 date=1083603182
    Humiliation is one thing; systematic rape, murder and torture are quite another.
    FYI ....There are claims and pictures to back those claims, that some of the Iraqi soldiers we&#039;re raped, murdered and tortured. by american and british troops.

    Read it for yourself. ttp://www.sundayherald.com/41693

    the UK was treated to images - courtesy of the Daily Mirror – of British soldiers urinating on a blood-stained Iraqi captive, holding guns against the man’s head, stamping on his face, kicking him in the mouth and beating him in the groin with a rifle butt.

    In other pictures, two naked Iraqis are forced to simulate oral sex and a group of naked Iraqi men are made to clamber on to each other’s backs. One dreadful picture features nothing but the bloated face of an Iraqi who has been beaten to death. His body is wrapped in plastic.

    Other pictures, which the world has not seen, but which are in the hands of the US military, include shots of a dog attacking a prisoner. An accused soldier says dogs are “used for intimidation factors”.

    There are also pictures of an apparent male rape. An Iraqi PoW claims that a civilian translator, hired to work in the prison, raped a male juvenile prisoner. He said: “They covered all the doors with sheets. I heard the screaming ... and the female soldier was taking pictures
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary McPenis link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104618#msg1046 18 date=1083603182
    Austin Powers would be ashamed of you. There, I said it!
    Aww well i hope that made you feel better then .... Penis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104491#msg1044 91 date=1083558786
    true, we didn&#039;t massacre villagers at gunpoint, but we certainly slaughtered them from the air (firbombing of Dresden and Tokyo come to mind.) We tend to do our harming of innocents from a distance and console ourselves that we&#039;re usually not intending to harm them, they&#039;re just colateral damage. Obviously we&#039;re not nearly as bad as the Japanese or germans were, but our hands were far from clean. Another difference is that once we conquer we usually try to build them back up (although there were very strong voices calling for the total annihalation of German/Japanese industry, reverting them to agrarian societies)
    Hmmm be careful not to judge our past actions by the standards of today. In WWII, carpet bombing enemy positiuons in the middle of a city was just how wars were fought. I recall a WWII veteran (pilot) on the history channel explaining the differences between then and today - in WWII, if you needed to destroy a bridge, they&#039;d send up dozens of bombers at night, and with luck, they might hit the correct town. With extreme luck, some of the bombs might actually hit the bridge. The tactics were simply the best they had with the technology of the time, and not a function of inhumanity or cruelty as they would be today.

    Also, take a step back and be fair. The allied bombing of Germany killed 600,000 civilians, yes. However, it was not a matter or choice of killing 600,000 or not, but of killing 600,000 civilians to end the war and prevent GREATER civilian fatalities. I&#039;ll kill 1 to save 3, and 500 to save 1000, 300,000 to save a million, so on. I don&#039;t know any better way to measure human life than by those sorts of numbers...does anyone else?

    Lastly, a little pet peeve of mine: WWII cost roughly 52 million people their lives, worldwide (factoring in combat, collateral damage, disease, starvation, etc.). People should keep that number in mind when discussing small numbers like a few hundred thousand dead from some particular action.

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