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    The guy who piloted the Enola gay lives (lived?) not fifty miles from me. I knew his grandson for a time. Wanna talk about haunted. Try NUKING Hiroshima!

    That guy's been a Jack Daniels addict for sixty years since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104588#msg1045 88 date=1083598464
    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104419#msg1044 19 date=1083545677
    IMHO, all of the mysteries regarding "missing" WMD's will be solved after coalition troops cross the Syrian border and start digging in the Syrian desert !
    The way I see it, we're talking about an area that has been inhabited since the beginning of recorded time, no? They know their desert like we never will.
    Iraq is the home of both Sumeria and Mesopotamia. Ur, the first city ever is still located there (as is Babylon). And for some reason, the middle east has been at war with itself ever since then. Go figure.



    EDIT: Geeze, i don't wanna go to work! There should be a law against making people work evenings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nopinkstars link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104651#msg1046 51 date=1083607149
    Be forewarned...these are heartbreaking.
    Doesn't look like playing around to me.
    http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow
    These are incredibly graphic.
    OMFG ....SICK and yes shameful!

    I didn't know iraqi women we're raped by them too! I think maybe some of you should have a look for yourselves.

    Anyway i rest my case.

    Seraya




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    OMG, Rhi -
    I haven't known anyone til now that has seen that video. I actually watched it about 3 times in a row (thought it was a joke at first) and by the time it was over, I was in tears. It is now something that will never leave my memory and every time I hear (American) people bash what our troops may be doing/have done over there, I want to just tie them to a chair and make them watch that over and over until they realize what kind of insanity our men our dealing with.
    So maybe I am a sick f*ck, but IMHO, kill them all.

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    I cant even explain what those pictures did to me just now.
    I doubt I will erase that off my memory anytime soon.
    Shit like that isnt needed. (Especially the rapes)
    And to defend my last statement, the reason I say this is because there ARE innocent people there as well.

    When Daniel Pearl was executed, I had evil thoughts towards many of the people over there thinking that we should do it to them as well. But at the same time, I do have some compassion. The thing with the POWs is different, only in the sense that they are killing ours as well, so I guess they think it makes it "ok" and what not.
    Anyway, did you all hear that the POW who was missing for three weeks escaped?? Thank GOD!!!!!

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    Ahh yes, and I read the article too, and agree though. We cant judge the whole army on the acts on a certain few.
    Most of them are doing the right thing...

    But the negative news always gets the publicity, obviously.
    Either way, I hope that they come home soon.
    George, we miss you!!!!

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    Yeah, the stuff going on in those pics is pretty sickening. At least someone is taking heat for it, might go a ways toward preventing this crap in the near future.

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    VEGAS ~

    LOL.... look i know your heated and probably feeling a lil small just about now but there is no need for the foul language, try acting like a lady.

    I am just one of the many non-dancer's who contribute a great deal to this board. If you go back and read my post's it will become obvious to you as to why i'm here. This is an open board and if you can't except that and deal with the opinion's from other members then maybe you shouldn't bother coming here.

    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104665#msg1046 65 date=1083608037
    And I'm the idiot? Hey here's a thought since you aren't a US citizen then why dont you keep your uninformed , unimportant little mouth shut because everyone is sick of hearing your blah, blah, blah about our country when u dont even live here.
    Read the title of this thread. "Iraqi POWs tortured and sexually abused by US and BRITISH soldiers" HELLO :o

    Also if you read my post's you would see that i haven't actually mentioned anything about YOUR country! I spoke about the death of a weapons expert from MY COUNTRY..... and the war which effect's the WORLD.

    I can tell that you are deeply offended but lets get something straight. I have not once said a bad word about the american ppl... i love american ppl.... but i am not going excuse the actions of the soldiers that tortured the pow's.

    Geez you are so simple. d:

    Seraya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104668#msg1046 68 date=1083608267
    OH but since you dont even live in the US events such as 9/11 wouldnt bother you now would they.
    My mother was in NYC that VERY day.... My uncles were trapped in NYC with no way out. My BF lives there .... so yes it did bother me, it bothered me a great deal... not just because, for those few hr's i thought my mother could be dead but because thousands of innocent ppl lost their lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104668#msg1046 68 date=1083608267
    Maybe if someone crashes a plane into the tower of london or Buckingham Palace or into a bunch of corporate buildings in the heart of London then maybe you would change your pathetic tune.
    How about having buildings bombed right where you live and being in the middle of it. Yes that is what we went thorugh everytime the IRS decided to bomb buildings in the heart of London. But i didn't want to go to Ireland and kill innocent and i didn't hate all Irish ppl because of it.

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    Didn't the IRA cut that out though?

    I was under the impression that all that was worked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nopinkstars link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104651#msg1046 51 date=1083607149
    Be forewarned...these are heartbreaking.
    Doesn't look like playing around to me.

    These are incredibly graphic.
    Thank you for sharing the link, Nopink.. I'm left speechless and absolutely disgusted. I had only seen one picture (the one with the hooded prisoner standing on the box with the wires attached to him), I hadn't seen any of the others. I don't know what to say at this point.

    Thank you again for sharing them.

    ~Rhi~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104689#msg1046 89 date=1083610014
    Didn't the IRA cut that out though?

    I was under the impression that all that was worked out.
    Oh yes that has all stopped now.... Thankgod! It was horrible waking up to you whole building shaking.

    Yea they worked it out.. with peace talks, not war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104670#msg1046 70 date=1083608423

    Anyway, did you all hear that the POW who was missing for three weeks escaped?? Thank GOD!!!!!
    OMGs yes, Lexi! I saw that on CNN I think last night. It's so nice to see something like that amidst all this other crap. I am incredibly happy for him and his family. I hope they'll be reunited soon.


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    NOPKINKSTARS~

    Sorry i was so preocupied with my idiot-bashing (he he monty) that i forgot to thank you for sharing that site.

    Oh and welcome to the boards btw.

    Seraya.



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    Vegas,
    anytime you wish to add any facts or opinions that are not immediately proven incorrect you are welcome to, and anytime you wish to prove my "ignorant" statements wrong you're welcome to - until then I am sure I'm not the only one who will be ignoring your diatribes.

    As for my "arrogance" -- as I've stated, the reason i love this board is because well informed people of every persuation are debating. I put my beliefs out there and if they are proven wrong then I'm glad, because it means that I've learned something here. I've already apologized for one thing i said that was stupid, and when I'm proven wrong about something else I'll do the same. The point is I'm not sitting arrogantly with my opinions, I'm expressing them so that I can hear other's responses and learn and grow from that experience.

    And I wasn't insulting "strippers", I was insulting you for your stated pleasure in tricking drunk people out of their money. See my other thread for more details on this distinction.


    Lestat -
    I should have made myself more clear, I realize that there were cases where carpet bombing was the only way to strike a target, but that doesn't alter the fact that pursuing the war in that way is a very definate choice. Robert McNamara, the architect of strategic bombing (later Secretary of Defense during Vietnam) has stated that if we had lost the war they would have been prosecuted as war criminals for those actions. And let's remember that in the cases of cities like Dresden and Tokyo the bombings had no strategic value beyond terrorizing the population. - perhaps interesting to note that more people were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo than in Hiroshima or Nagasaki (and again remember these were not just soldiers but women, children, old men, dogs, cats, and the most innocent of all, the goldfish)

    That said, of course we weren't as cruel and vicious as the Japanese and germans, but let's remember we weren't saints either. I don't say this to imply we are evil, but just to say we should always be striving for better -

    Madcap,
    first, congrats on the convertible, I love mine (of course living in Austin helps)
    As for doing anything to stop Hitler, let's not forget that nothing is black and white - Stalin, our good ally in that war, was responsible for killing more people than Hitler (although Stalin had more time) The gulags were second only to the Nazi death camps for cruelty and death. My point here is simply that we weren't fighting against Hitler's evil so much as we were fighting to save our own asses - there is NOTHING wrong with that, but let's not declare that we were altruistic.

    Dresden - if they knew about the Death camps they all deserved to be firebombed? The women, the children, the old men? There were Germans who tried to stop Hitler, they were slaughtered. Yes, the majority was for him, but many, many were not (including elements of the army who were sickened by the atrocities.)

    As far Osama, it's important to get him, but let's rememeber it will change nothing - he's the figurehead/spirtual father of a movement, not some mastermind puppetmaster. he was smart (horrible and vicious and needs to be killed, but smart) and set up thios movement so that it would rely on no organizational structure. What makes it so dangerous is that it's all about encouraging extremists to act on their own, which means there is no "head" to chop off - yes, you have to chop with one hand, but with the other you have to starve the beast, or it just keeps growing. And these pictures of prisoner abucse are just the food it needs.

    One disturbing trend I've seen in a few of the posts are people talking about "they" and "those people over there" as if an Iraqi equals an Iraqi insurgent equals a terrorist supporter equals a terrorist equals a 9/11 hijacker. Is it me, am I reading too much into pronouns?

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    This is the first I've seen photos of women being raped etc. I wouldn't take those particular photos at face value until there is some supporting evidence. The men in the female rape photos don't even look American. And I don’t believe the men doing the raping are wearing U.S. uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antsprincesss link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104664#msg1046 64 date=1083607973
    OMG, Rhi -
    I haven't known anyone til now that has seen that video. I actually watched it about 3 times in a row (thought it was a joke at first) and by the time it was over, I was in tears. It is now something that will never leave my memory and every time I hear (American) people bash what our troops may be doing/have done over there, I want to just tie them to a chair and make them watch that over and over until they realize what kind of insanity our men our dealing with.
    So maybe I am a sick f*ck, but IMHO, kill them all.
    Kill all who? Those were Pakistanis who did that to Daniel Pearl, and you're talking about people torturing Iraqis. Is it all Arabs who should be killed, or all Muslims, or all dark skinned people, or anyone who enjoys a good falafel? Sorry we don't have any video of that Iraqi being beaten to death, perhaps then you could tie people to a chair and make them watch that until they hate all Americans. Or perhaps a video of the rape would be more inspirational. The point is we need to think with our heads, not our guts. Violence begets violence so it should be uses as wisely as possible.

    After World War I the Allies sought revenge and humiliated Germany with crushing surrender terms (i.e. reperation payments, etc) it made the population resentful, and the depression further ruined them (inflation was so high that there are photos of people carting wheelbarrows full of money just to buy a cup of coffee) Well, they were bitter and they turned to the one man who promised them dignity and prosperity - Hitler.

    If you want revenge and cruelty and heartlessness, fine. Just be prepared to fight this war again in a few years.

    Someone who hates all Westerners because of the actions of a few is the same as someone who hates all...who is it exactly you want to kill?? -because of the actions of a few.

    (By the way, Pakistan is our "ally" in the war, so you'll have to be sure to kill them all accidentally with friendly fire.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104728#msg1047 28 date=1083616548
    Quote Originally Posted by antsprincesss link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104664#msg1046 64 date=1083607973
    OMG, Rhi -
    I haven't known anyone til now that has seen that video. I actually watched it about 3 times in a row (thought it was a joke at first) and by the time it was over, I was in tears. It is now something that will never leave my memory and every time I hear (American) people bash what our troops may be doing/have done over there, I
    want to just tie them to a chair and make them watch that over and over until they realize what kind of insanity our men our dealing with.
    So maybe I am a sick f*ck, but IMHO, kill them all.
    Kill all who?
    If you want revenge and cruelty and heartlessness, fine.
    Guess I should have added "figuratively speaking" here, but my God, I know the affect it had on me - I was outraged, and rightfully so. All of the anti-war protesters, etc may have a change of heart if they were to see what actually happened to a fellow American, who, I might add, was not even fighting in the war!
    I am not saying I agree with rape and malicious conduct by any means - I don't promote it, nor do I preach it. I don't believe in cruelty to any living being, HOWEVER, I do believe in the old "an eye for an eye" addage.
    I am also not saying that I think it is right that innocent people (of any nationality, race, creed, etc) should have to endure what those people did, BUT I will say this - I have an 8 year old little boy, and if that were MY son in that video, I would make it my life's work to find the SOB's that were responsible and make them suffer the same torture and torment they brought on him.
    Do you have kids? Ever had a loved one in the military? My old best friend was a career marine - and when he wasn't on deployment, we were together constantly - can you imagine how it felt when I found that he was killed in a bomb explosion in Iraq?
    I dunno - bash my opnions if you will, but I cannot help the way I feel nor will I conform to someone else's beliefs to get people to like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nopinkstars link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104651#msg1046 51 date=1083607149
    Be forewarned...these are heartbreaking.
    Doesn't look like playing around to me.
    http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow
    These are incredibly graphic.
    I have already said that abuse of prisoners is bad, can't be tolerated and whoever did it should be prosecuted but I'm not going to believe these pictures because of the source. Check out http://www.albasrah.net yourself. This looks like the terrorists own home webpage.
    I think it's prudent to let our governments investigate all these claims and not believe everything you see on the internet.
    Do I think something happened? Yes. Do I think our military is all evil? NO. I'll wait until the investigation is over.

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    Not for nothin, but some of the terrorists (whateveeeeever race they are) were wearing American uniforms as well and killing our troops. (They had killed some before hand, used their uniforms, and acted as Americans till they got their chance and killed our own.) If I find the link, I will post it.
    But those pics are disturbing, and you are right ace_barker... the investigation should be done before we can say anything because if it is their site it could be a way for them to make the American and British troops look bad. Im not saying it didnt happen, cause it obviously looks like it did, but there IS a chance they werent either ones. You never know.
    So yes, we should all wait and see what comes of this.

    WeLucky, when I said I was angry with the Daniel Pearl incident and wanted them all dead, Iwas figuratively speaking. I dont think we should KILL everyone (regardless of race, again) BUT at a moment when you see something like that, you cant help but have evil thoughts run your head.

    I know Im going off again, BUT when Samantha Runnion was raped and murdered (5 year old little girl) I went ballistic. I dont know her, but she resembled my cousin and for 2 weeks I was hysterical. Could have been PMS, yes. BUT at that moment, I wanted to skin the bastard alive and shove a basball bat up his ass and see how much he liked it.

    Yes we tend to get emotional at times because these things come close to home. Nancy, a very good friend of the family, was killed on 9/11. She was in Tower 2. She made it all the way down, and then was killed when the buildings collapsed. Just thinking that she was already a SUPER nervous person (always shook) and that she was the sweetest person you could ever meet (worked with autistic children and wrote a children's book) one gets angry that innocent people die because of the acts of selfish people.
    So when people say things, they usually say it out of anger, but it doesnt mean they are always saying what they really feel. (I know I always say mean things and then regret it)
    Maybe you are looking too much into pronouns, but its understandable as things come off very wrong, or offensive at times. I hope I didnt offend you.

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    EXACTLY Lexi! The Iraqis have been wearing US Armed Forces uniforms since the beginning. I'm very glad you pointed that out.

    Does anyone honestly believe that the pictures were staged, and the troops were actually doing that to themselves and taking pictures? Come on now.

    As for the women being raped... I have no doubt in my mind that they are indeed Iraqi women. Like someone else already mentioned, there were many rapes in Nam, and the other wars, on both sides. It's hard to tell by the pictures if the women "look like Iraqi women", but I'm willing to bet that they are.

    Lexi, I remember the Samantha Runion case also. So very sad. Although I hate to wish anyone harm, I did that day. Yesterday, E! was having a "True Hollywood Story" marathon, and Jon Benet Ramsey's story was featured, as well as Laci Peterson, and others. I had a ton of not-very-nice thoughts running through my mind.

    While it's true that we have to wait it out and see what comes of the 6 individuals responsible for this, there's obviously something to it. They wouldn't have busted them otherwise. There must be evidence, and obviously they've looked over the prisoners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasvixen1 link=board=1;threadid=8793;start=msg104668#msg1046 68 date=1083608267
    To Seraya: OH and if you call hating terrorists and people who support (or feel sorry for them such as yourself) terrorists being predjudiced then I am very proud to be. OH but since you dont even live in the US events such as 9/11 wouldnt bother you now would they. ....and you judge me for lacking class????
    I would Really like to know how personally 9/11 affected you aside from the fact that you live in the US.

    So, you have a Marine boy...that makes you a true patriot? Being that you choose to believe any old lie that is thrown your way to avoid having to deal with the harsh reality that what our American (and British) soldiers did in Iraq were no better than what we accuse the terrorists doing is plenty enough proof that you have absolutely NO clue as to what is REALLY going on...or more accurately...you are willing to look the other way and pretend that it's not happening...which is even worse.

    Being patriotic means more than free-speech. I means accepting that someone is advocating at the top of their lungs that which you have spent a lifetime advocating against at the top of yours. Until you can celebrate and accept that, then you are just not really fully informed of what it means to be a TRUE american citizen. Really...one of the reasons our country has broken down so much is because we, as rightful american citizens, have stopped questioning our leaders. Why do you feel that it is so wrong to have a logical debate about what SHOULD (we feel) be done in Iraq? Why do you feel that you need to just follow the orders of another person? Because they told you to?

    And, 9/11 was not an American tragedy...it was a global tragedy. There were not just Americans killed that day, but people from all over the world that do business in NY. People who lived and worked in NY and had families in other countries. Aside from the fact that that one, single event took the known capabilities and obsession of the terrorists to a new level...it affects everyone.

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    Again, very well said, Venus.

    What many fail to realize is that the World Trade Center was called that for a reason. 9/11 affected the whole world. There were countless nationalities in the buildings and inside those planes. It wasn't just a New York thing, or just a US thing. It was a world-wide thing.

    Being married to someone in the military, doesn't make you more of an American than anyone else, or more human. I've been there, and it didn't make me support the armed forces any more than if I hadn't been married to one.

    These men and women need to be punished, end of story. We want fair treatment of US POWs, then fair treatment of Iraqi prisoners held by us is required.

    I will say this though... Everytime I see those pictures, I want to smack that freakin smile right off that female service member's face.

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    Just saw this on the news. British gov't thinks pictures of British soldiers are fakes. Seems 2 of the guns pictured aren't being used by the troops in Iraq and a floppy hat one of the abusing troops is wearing is not being issued in Iraq either. If these pics are found to be faked, the person(s) who did this should get the death penalty. They are helping the terrorists recruit new nutballs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I think I found a great picture for my new avatar. Hopefully I can figure out how to put it up soon.

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    Thanks for the update, Ace. I'll have to turn on the news. I do agree with you on the whole death penalty thing. I don't know what to hope for, if they are faked or if they're real. Everyone loses in either case.

    It's just very sad.

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