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    Report: Disney Blocking Anti-Bush Documentary

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    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore's documentary linking President Bush (news - web sites) with powerful Saudi families, including that of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), is stirring up controversy even before its release.

    That's if it even gets released.

    Hollywood trade paper Daily Variety said in its Wednesday edition that Walt Disney Co. has moved to prevent its Miramax Films unit from distributing "Fahrenheit 911."

    The Disney edict could herald the bloodiest political battle yet between Miramax's feisty co-chairman Harvey Weinstein and Disney CEO Michael Eisner, who oversaw the purchase of Miramax a decade ago, Daily Variety said.

    "Fahrenheit 911," Moore's follow-up to his Academy Award-winning film "Bowling for Columbine, will still premiere in competition at the Cannes Film Festival (news - web sites) in France later this month. Rumors had been circulating of a July release date in North America, but the film does not appear on Miramax's summer schedule, the paper said.

    It quoted a Miramax spokesman as saying that the company was "looking forward to resolving this amicably."

    Officials from Miramax and Disney were not immediately available for comment on the report.

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    And, all of this is coming as a surprise??

    Georgie W. sucks as a president, but he sucks even more as a moral, dedicated, humane, caring person. When can we impeach him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg105521#msg1055 21 date=1083782024
    And, all of this is coming as a surprise??

    Georgie W. sucks as a president, but he sucks even more as a moral, dedicated, humane, caring person. When can we impeach him?
    It will be pretty difficult to impeach someone who wasn't even elected.....All of the muscle that stood behind his theft-of-office are fighting tooth and nail to see that he keeps it.
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    Whatever happened, I think that Michael Moore's movies are great. I loved "Bowling for Columbine" and "Roger and Me." I don't think his new flick should be supressed. Love his dark humor and sarcastic wit. Who knows, maybe a bootleg copy will appear on the net. But that's likely wishful thinking. *Sigh*

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    When all is said and done, SOMEBODY will distribute it. Then all they have to do is promote it as, "The film Disney didn't want you to see..." Now instead of burying the film in a few screens it will be a news item when it opens.


    So don't despair. :'(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Monster link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg105545#msg1055 45 date=1083785030
    When all is said and done, SOMEBODY will distribute it. Then all they have to do is promote it as, "The film Disney didn't want you to see..." Now instead of burying the film in a few screens it will be a news item when it opens.


    So don't despair. :'(
    I wouldn't bet on that happening in the USA. We're not talking about Mel Gibson here !

    Disney owns Miramax - Miramax paid for the production of Michael Moore's film - and therefore Disney owns/controls all of the rights to this film. If they decide that it should sit on a shelf for the next 100 years, that's exactly were the film will stay. Of course Michael Moore will probably need to find different financial backers to finance any future film efforts to be sure that this won't happen to him again.

    In Mel Gibson's case, unlike Michael, Mel invested $30 million dollars of his own money to produce his film, he himself owned 100% of the rights to his film, and he was therefore free to arrange any sort of film distribution he wanted.

    I do agree though that bootleg copies from Europe will inevitably start showing up.

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    hmmmmm ........

    Lies And Moore Lies [Updated]

    Is bloviator Michael Moore making up stuff again?

    Sure looks like it.

    Just days from the opening of the Cannes Film Festival he’s basking in a wave of publicity that the Walt Disney Company is blocking subsidiary Miramax from distributing his new documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11” on political grounds.

    Publicity-hound Moore’s allegations about Disney ring false. The very same Disney Company -- through its Hyperion division-- just published Pacifica Radio host Amy Goodman’s new book “The Exception to the Rulers” – a volume brimming with just as much lefty fringe politics and anti-Bush theorizing as contained in Moore’s films. Indeed, Goodman's book is a blunder-buss assualt on corporate media conglomerates-- like Disney!

    The Mouse House seems sophsiticated enough to put up with and even finance the slapshots by Goodman and Moore if a profit is to be made. Duh!

    Dissecting the current dust-up, it seems clear that Disney never intended to distribute Moore's film. Maybe the Mousketeers are cowards, but at least they are consistent. And Moore is whining now only to hype the pre-Cannes buzz. Sources report that Miramax never planned to release the Moore film, that it was always slated to come out through Lions Gate, as did the earlier Dogma.

    Below find an exclusive full text copy of the article by Andrew Gumbel which will appear in Thursday's London-based daily The Independent which quotes inside sources saying there is nothing new in Disney's red light, that Moore knew it was a no-go from the outset. After you've read Andrew's piece take a look at this L.A. Weekly column I wrote in March describing Moore as the Ann Coulter of the left.

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    lets hope its not as bad as "farenheit 451" man that movies was SHIT

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    well it's obvious that banning something-or even spreading a rumor that it was banned-creates a major hype. Like my English Professor said "if you want to get your book read, have someone censor it!"
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    Disney owns Miramax - Miramax paid for the production of Michael Moore's film - and therefore Disney owns/controls all of the rights to this film. If they decide that it should sit on a shelf for the next 100 years, that's exactly were the film will stay.
    I don’t believe this is correct Melonie. Disney does own Miramax, but the buyout came with an agreement that Disney would distribute all of Miramax’s films except under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.

    Miramax is free to find another distributor if Disney doesn't distribute the film. According to Zenia Mucha, a spokeswoman for Disney “Mr. Moore has had and continues to have every opportunity to either find another distributor or distribute the film himself."

    Another company will distribute the film. It won’t sit on the shelf.

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    It'll come out. It's not like any of this is new, it's all in Moore's book "Dude, where's my country."

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    Although I agree with most of the political views of Michael Moore i think he's a blowhard who is more concerned with making his points than paying attention to niceties like "facts" or the "truth". There are several websites dedicated to pointing out errors in what he says and writes and the errors are many and significant.

    I think a fair and balanced look at Bush's actions would be plenty incriminating enough, too bad instead we'll probably get a gallon of conspiracy theroies and half-truths for every cup of actual facts.

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    Another company will distribute the film. It won’t sit on the shelf
    It appears that you may very well be right about this - especially with blatant support from Washington liberals ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106121#msg1061 21 date=1083877316
    Although I agree with most of the political views of Michael Moore i think he's a blowhard who is more concerned with making his points than paying attention to niceties like "facts" or the "truth". There are several websites dedicated to pointing out errors in what he says and writes and the errors are many and significant.

    I think a fair and balanced look at Bush's actions would be plenty incriminating enough, too bad instead we'll probably get a gallon of conspiracy theroies and half-truths for every cup of actual facts.
    While I disagree with most of Mr. Moore's views, I totally agree he is a self-promoting blowhard as are Howeird Stern, Rush Limburger, and Michael the Savage and a scary # of media "personalities".

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    Well, guess Disney's next move is to ban gays from Disney World



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    I'm with Monty, though I find myself agreeing with Moore every so often, it's getting less and less often, and his techniques I find distasteful. I watched Bowling for Columbine and used the figures quoted for gun control AGAINST gun control in a recent class debate.
    Personally, I try not to put myself on one side or another of liberal, conservative, blah blah blah mainly because I don't know enough about it - yeah, I've got a good general idea, but not enough of one. It's irritating to have classes full of "Bush R evil!" students who don't know anything beyond what they read on bumper stickers about Bush, or any other political situation - so I try to set myself apart from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg105521#msg1055 21 date=1083782024
    And, all of this is coming as a surprise??

    Georgie W. sucks as a president, but he sucks even more as a moral, dedicated, humane, caring person. When can we impeach him?
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    I like Moore's work so I'll be seeing that film even if Bush's people don't think I should be able to I couldnt agree more



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    I love when people throw the BS about Bush not being elected. What a load of crap. He won the election the first time and every recount after it. The popular vote doesn't matter. They spend their campaign money trying to win the electoral college not the popular vote.
    Did you see where Michael Moores personal website was created and is managed out of CANADA. I thought he was against outsourcing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106326#msg1063 26 date=1083908737
    I love when people throw the BS about Bush not being elected. What a load of crap. He won the election the first time and every recount after it. The popular vote doesn't matter. They spend their campaign money trying to win the electoral college not the popular vote.
    Bush is the first president in history to win the election without winning the popular vote. Insisting that the popular vote "doesn't matter" is the exact same as saying to a citizen "your vote doesn't matter."

    So, tell me, if the popular vote is meaningless... why do you bother voting at all? Why should anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106345#msg1063 45 date=1083914365
    Quote Originally Posted by ace_barker link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106326#msg1063 26 date=1083908737
    I love when people throw the BS about Bush not being elected. What a load of crap. He won the election the first time and every recount after it. The popular vote doesn't matter. They spend their campaign money trying to win the electoral college not the popular vote.
    Bush is the first president in history to win the election without winning the popular vote. Insisting that the popular vote "doesn't matter" is the exact same as saying to a citizen "your vote doesn't matter."

    So, tell me, if the popular vote is meaningless... why do you bother voting at all? Why should anyone?
    sorry, wrong answer: Bush was not the first, it happened in 1876 and 1888.

    And Democrats have no right to bitch about the election, because both parties keep the system screwed up because they think they can rig it to their advantage. I would love to see the electoral college system scrapped, but then I'm an old fashioned "one person, one vote" kind of guy.

    That said, Bush won the election after a lot of shady crap:

    thousands of African Americans were "accidently" purged from the voter rolls as felons when they weren't

    poorly designed ballots almost definately led to people accidently voting for Pat Buchannan when they meant to vote for Gore - in the county these ballots were used in Buchanan received almost three times as many votes as he did in any other county - in fact 20% of his total votes in that state were from that one county. This despite the fact the county was well known as a very liberal area.

    19,000 ballots were nullified for having more than one hole punched, hanging chad, etc. again apparently the result of poorly designed ballots. not saying these were necessarily intentional, but the fact remains that those people lost their right to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106358#msg1063 58 date=1083917978
    sorry, wrong answer: Bush was not the first, it happened in 1876 and 1888.
    Okies, stand corrected, but I still don't get what the point is waving it in peoples faces that their votes mean nothing (and if the popular vote is meaningless, then the voter actually does have no say).

    So what is all this "use it or lose it" crap for? Why bother using it at all? It's a waste of a perfectly good autumn afternoon if the popular vote means nothing. I'd like an explanation on this from the "popular vote means zilch" crowd.

    If this is the case, then they need to stop cluttering up my Hockey games with "Go Vote" commercials (I'd much rather see bikini models mud wrestling to sell me beer).

    (I'm talking about the vote for president, rather than the vote for congressfolk and senetors)


    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106358#msg1063 58 date=1083917978
    19,000 ballots were nullified for having more than one hole punched, hanging chad, etc. again apparently the result of poorly designed ballots. not saying these were necessarily intentional, but the fact remains that those people lost their right to vote.
    What's the point? If Ace is right (and the mere possibility is frightening), their right to vote is a sham! It's a game to let the unruly masses play while the oligarchy runs the real show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=8926;start=msg106358#msg1063 58 date=1083917978

    That said, Bush won the election after a lot of shady crap:

    thousands of African Americans were "accidently" purged from the voter rolls as felons when they weren't

    poorly designed ballots almost definately led to people accidently voting for Pat Buchannan when they meant to vote for Gore - in the county these ballots were used in Buchanan received almost three times as many votes as he did in any other county - in fact 20% of his total votes in that state were from that one county. This despite the fact the county was well known as a very liberal area.

    19,000 ballots were nullified for having more than one hole punched, hanging chad, etc. again apparently the result of poorly designed ballots. not saying these were necessarily intentional, but the fact remains that those people lost their right to vote.
    True, and not to say that I like Bush at all as President (-he's all too often arrogant and short-sighted in his policies and statements), but please also consider the attempt by the Gore Campaign and the national Democratic Party to disqualify tens of thousands of absentee ballots from military personnel serving overseas in several key states- just because servicemembers and their families tend to vote conservative. That would also have been a gross injustice in the electoral process.

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    sorry, wrong answer: Bush was not the first, it happened in 1876 and 1888.

    And Democrats have no right to bitch about the election, because both parties keep the system screwed up because they think they can rig it to their advantage. I would love to see the electoral college system scrapped, but then I'm an old fashioned "one person, one vote" kind of guy.
    There's pretty good evidence that it also happened in 1960, with Chicago Mayor Daley responsible for counting tens of thousands of votes from people who were deceased to carry Illinois for Kennedy. However, Richard Nixon knew how disrupting a challenge would be, so he didn't open that can of worms.

    Interesting to think, though, how different the world might have been (Vietnam, for instance) if a recount was called in 1960 and Nixon turned out to have won the election after all.

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    I'm not saying the vote doesn't matter but we are not a democracy but a republic. When a person from California (large population) votes for senator (2 per state) do you think their vote is the same as a person from montana voting for his/her senator? of course not. The claims of blacks being banned from voting are urban legend. there was 1 roadblock in Florida the day of voting and it was in a white neighborhood. Blacks complained about criminals not being able to vote. Do the crime lose your vote. Isn't that the way things are? I vaguely remember from HS government class that if you are a felon you lose the right to vote. Doesn't make it racist. How about the way Al Gore was fighting to keep the votes of Florida residents serving on Naval vessels votes from counting. The courts ended up letting those votes count and rightfully so.
    Also I'm wasn't saying votes don't count. What I meant is that when they allocate where they will spend their campaign money they go to battleground states. Gore spent nothing in Texas where he got pounded and Bush spent nothing in California where he got pounded. That is all. They play to win the electoral college because we are a republic not a democracy. It's like in football the team with the most first downs doesn't win the game, team with the most points does. Sorry to ruin that conspiracy theory.
    Also the ballots that were used in Florida were designed and approved by democrats. Not Katherine Harris. I can't remember the congressmans name (began with a w i think, wexler maybe) but I wrote him at the time thanking him for the ballot design and handing the election to Bush. He never replied, wonder why?
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