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    I think something similar has been asked before, but I am wondering if there is a risk ofcontracting STI's from nude contact dances (especially grinding) if other dancers in your club are infected. There are rumors in my club of a girl that had genital warts removed and some dancers think she should not be allowed to work there. I pointed out though that warts are caused by HPV, which is the most common STI, and that most people who have it don't even know it and can still transmit it. So unless we are all going to undergo testing, you can't just fire one person. I started wondering also how serious a risk it actually is and found that some diseases (HPV, gonnerhea, and trich) CAN possibly be spread via fomites- inanimate objects that have been exposed.

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/lib...11120_hpv.html
    Today HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S.
    Up to 20 million Americans are currently infected with sexually transmitted HPV, and it is estimated that 75 percent of reproductive age women and men have been infected with genital HPV at some point in their lives.
    HPV infection can be clinical (symptomatic) or subclinical (asymptomatic), and many people with HPV never know they have it.
    Some research also suggests that genital HPV can be transmitted through nonsexual routes, via fomites - inanimate objects such as towels or underwear.

    http://merck.praxis.md/index.asp? pa...on=report&ss=1
    In the past, direct contact was thought necessary for transmission of HPV. However, HPV can survive in a desiccated environment, so transmitted by fomites may be possible [1] [2]. Also, HPV DNA can be detected on the fingers of patients with genital warts, which suggests that transmission does not always require genital-to-genital contact [3].

    http://www.bcma.org/public/bc_medical_journal/BCMJ/april_2004/std.asp
    N. gonorrhoeae can survive up to 24 hours on fomites (toilet seats, towels) in moist purulent secretions.

    http://www.ecu.edu/intmedresidency/currentresidents/Review%20Questions/Evaluation%20and%20Management%20of%20Vaginitis.pdf
    Trichomonas vaginales is the organism observed on the wet preparation. Over 3 million women are diagnosed with trichomoniasis yearly. Infection occurs in the vagina, urethra, and bladder. The organism is usually transmitted by sexual intercourse; however, T. vaginalis has been known to survive outside the body for several hours and, rarely, may be transmitted by fomites such as clothing or towels.
    Do any of you worry about this? Should I suggest we carry little lap towels like women at some clubs do? I know the obvious solution, would be to enforce the "no grinding" rules, but we have really moved to being a grind club within the last few months and I don't think that is going to change.

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    I was concerned about that too when I worked in a full nude club.
    Where I worked full nude dances cost more than topless dances. When I did a full nude dance I would not front straddle grind. I would just focus on boob and butt rubbing. I just saw nude dances as a way for a guy to get a close up look at my kittywith no grinding action.
    I would not do a front staddle grind at a nude club for anything. I do think that it puts dancers at risk. Now that I am back to just topless and doing the full front straddle grind I always wear 2 g's. All dancers are required to wear 2 g's at the club where I work.
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    Yes. If you nude grind, and a guy gets his cum all over your vagina, you run a risk. I do nude ld's, and have a certain amount of guys who can't help it.....it happens, they wear a condom, i respect that, and they expect nothing more from me.

    Sometimes you just can't tell when a guy may cum.

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    that is crazy. i believe it. we are all nude all grinding but no one cums on our temples.i don't fuck sround. i don't let a guy cum. its nasty. i'm not an escort. the girls that are okay with that have issues....
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    I have never had a guy come. So I'm not really concerned about being contaminated by the customers, but by the other dancers. I know there is a risk from coming in contact with semen. My question is- Is there a risk from coming in contact with clothing that other dancers have come in contact with too?

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    At clubs where I've been where there's full nude
    grinding most gals use a "nappy" placed over the man's
    lap.

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    I agree with Kid's suggestion.

    I think an extra layer of protection is a good idea for nude laps. Try a fur ( or faux fur) pelt or something else that has a defined upside so one side is always the one touching the customers and the other only touches you.

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    How do you explain that to customers? For dancers that do this, is it usually a club policy or a dancer's own initiative?

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    If a customer does happen to ask about a lap cloth just tell him your skin is on the sensitive side and you find you can give much better laps using it

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    Yes Daphned i have issues....Money! Lots of dancers do a grind here and there. This does not have to be the whole duration of the dance. It's more money, it's a ld, but with more pressure, thats all. And yes i as well have used a cloth, lots of guys dont mind. They can't help it if they cum. Some guys anyway.

    I am a contact dancer, i protect myself, and NEVER get semen on my body. As for the condoms...They ask, it's protection and respect for me. I cant tell you in all my years dancing i have seen a dancer pop up and "oh my gosh" he came.

    It happens, these guys are human. Both parties protect yourself, your fine.

    And if anyones clothing is wet with you dont know what, dont touch it. It's called cross contamination.

    Pamela

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    At the last nude club I worked at we used baby blankets to put over their laps. We told them that this not only protected us but them too, since we could get excited. The men loved that "idea" that we could get off on doing a dance so they never said anything.
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    Those of you on the topic of "if the man ejaculates" are on the wrong track with this particular topic. While there are risks with this as well, it's not really related to the scary risks described by the topic starter.

    The real problem here is dancer to dancer spread infections. If a dancer with HPV or Gonorrhoeae gives a patron a nude lapdance and grinds effected areas into his pants, then the customer gets another nude lapdance from another dancer... this is the means of concern described here, and if any studies show transmission by fomites, it's of serious concern.

    In the past, common STD's like HPV and HSV-1/2 had been concluded they weren't tranferrable by fomites/inanimate objects. There are still recent studies that show this trend. But in reality, if there are ANY studies by trustworthy sources that have positive results of fomite transmission, it's enough to take precautions.

    To put a little more reality base into this- HPV/HSV 1&2 are such common STD's that statistics would place any given shift of say 20 dancers, to where at least half of them as having one or the other. Many people infected with these do not always show symptoms, nor may they show on any STD checks/tests, HPV especially. Someone can be a carrier of HPV for years and be completely oblivious.. as well as get checked monthly with "clean" results. Given these odds, if you are a nude lapdancer in a club that grinds, you're likely exposed to this with half the customers that buy multiple dances from multiple dancers a night.

    While lapdance cloths are a good solution, they aren't effective unless they are disposable. Non-disposable lap cloths I would argue would increase risks since they would be the collectors of materials then cause re-exposure everytime used. So if your very first customer had some sort of nasty that is ground into the cloth, you've just assured to be grinding into it for the rest of the night! And who knows which side was up/down or how thick and pourous the cloth fabric is. The fur kind are good or something very, very thick and non-pourous and with definately distinguishable sides.

    There are LOTS of things you CAN do to minimize infection risk. These are the following:
    1) Adjust your shaving schedule so as the maximum number of hours between a pubic region shave and starting work may transpire. Shave irritated skin is substantially higher risk to infection from exposure than closed/non-irritated skin. Razor bumps and razor burn irritated skin is highly susceptible to contact infections.

    2) BOOST your immune system and keep a high/healthy metabolism. Even direct, normal sexual contact with various STD's can have greatly reduced infection spread rates to an individual with a strong immune system, HPV/HSV especially. Normally sexually active individuals are exposed to this sometimes with as many as 2 out of 3 partners, yet never contract nor become carriers to the disease. Something as simple as an investment in a bottle of One a Day + Iron isn't much of an investment if you aren't already taking vitamin supplements or getting a healthy diet. Even better still is getting lots of fresh fruits and vegetables into your diet, and drinking lots of water.

    3) Wet Wipes! Make sure to use non-caustic and non-astringent wet wipes though. Giving nude lapdances should ALWAYS be followed by a quick run in the back and a thorough wiping of the areas in contact. This is just good hygiene. Contact does not equate to infection! Most forms of exposure require substantial time and circumstances (irritation, unhealthy immune system, etc.etc.) in order for the new host to become infected. Wiping contact areas clean after any possible exposure is fantastic way to reduce infection rate. It's understandable to become busy and in the hustle and bustle not have time to do a wet-wipe sponge bath every time... but DO find time to do this periodically whenever possible.

    Hope this helps! A little precaution can go a long ways.
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    1: genital warts can occur OUTSIDE the genitals, they can be on the inner thighs and on the buttocks around the anus. So even dancers in g-strings run the risk of contact through fomites if her thigh touches an infected fomite.

    2: Wet Wipes kill no bacteria at all, we tested them in microbiology lab. They can't do ANYTHING for viruses like HPV. Unless they are specifically anti-bacterial, they won't do much.

    3: In micro lab we also tested using various layers of toilet paper to protect from transmission of e.coli. Ya know what, even if you have 27 layers of tissue, the bacteria is still going to get through - ALWAYS WASH YOUR HANDS. My point being I doubt a little blanket is going to help very much in regard to stopping infection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Maiden link=board=27;threadid=9515;start=msg114393#msg114 393 date=1085648339
    2: Wet Wipes kill no bacteria at all, we tested them in microbiology lab. They can't do ANYTHING for viruses like HPV. Unless they are specifically anti-bacterial, they won't do much.
    Wet Wipes are not supposed to kill bacteria or viruses.. hence why it's so important they are not caustic and mild.

    The main purpose is to remove surface agents from light contact from the skin... not kill them or heal if already infected.
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    I never did ld's in clubs (i have this all over my former posts) hated them, and am not about to ld a guy after some chick got off his lap with god knows what. I do private parties, and grinding now.

    One word about HPV, this is very detectable with a regular vaginal exam. I worked with a few girls at one club who had this. They are fleashy coloured bumps, and ususlly only one or a bunch, inner or outer lips is the area they like the most, but can go inside deeper. There is a cream to use, and they say the side effects can be very uncomfortable, only problem i see here....These bumps will go way down to almost non-existent and very very hard to see. But never gone, once you are infected, you have them for life.

    I have been to many clubs here in Fl. alot of grinding, and some use (i have for fear of cum) a cloth, it's think and like alomost non absorbent, i say get one of them. A shamy for drying the car would be a good choice!!!

    Ps, i don't see many dancers doing ld's and another hopping on right away, can't remember seeing this much at all actually, but the virus is fragile, and will not live long without a "host" warm wet area. Good news too!

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    Nude contact dancing? ICK!

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    Guess i just have a question. What is the "big" difference with nude contact ld's and a tiny sheer g-string on? Really. I can answer that, the thought. Nothing more. Lilac you just made me think about this hun, not directed at your post

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    Sorry Pam I didn't mean to sound like a bitch. I don't do contact dances although a little contact does not freak me out full on riding a guys lap makes my skin crawl.

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    OH i know i hated them while i club danced...YUK. But then doing private parties i think they are fun. And the guy has pants or shorts on, i also make sure as to not get any cum on me. I would never do a guy nude on nude...Whoa! Nasty, and ld's with grinding is kinda strange actually.

    I just like to give a guy his money worth, while we both remain protected. Jeans suck, but most guys i dance for have no idea it helps me feel better, also the cloth thing does work for me at times. As for the condoms...well i think that is respect, they want to protect me, make me feel comfortable, and also not have a wet spot and be laughed at by the buds!!!!

    Pamela

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    The reason for this thread is the EXACT reason I dislike the idea of full grind lap dancing. I am an entertainer, and I can't believe in 2004, that I must actually be afraid of dying when at work!
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