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    Hello everyone. I am a new dancer(this will be my third week). Im am 19 years old.While never dancing at a club before, Ive always had the passion to dance, and practiced my moves with others(received great feedback). I am a very enthusiastic/ creative dancer when the song and beat is right. The lady manager who hired me has told me a few times not to "dance so hard". First she said bc it may intimidate others, and then when i started doing "minor swings and stuff on the pole", she told me not to until a dancer teaches me because it does not look good. The other dancers will not teach me. I went on my own and asked another manager if i could practice in the back and he said yea(was very nice). He then told girls to help but they did not. It was not like i was trying flips and stuff on the pole! I was just getting stronger climbing on it and stretching out my leg. Is minor experimentation on the pole while dancing not allowed???? i was not falling all over or anything! It seemed to work with my performance. A bouncer has even said he noticed me getting better on the pole.(a few days before lady manager said it didnt look right)Also i would like to add that i danced jazz and ballet for a while and realize that i have to keep with the beat and not dance like im in a regular nightclub. That has not what i have been doing,. When a slow and sensual song is on, i move slow,sexy and graceful. I was thinking maybe the manager just doesnt want the other girls to drive me away and is warning me in her own way?Also please note that while on stage i focus my attention on a customer i see sitting ALONE, and never cut in on another girls rounds(like they do to me and eachother). Thats how i choose to work professionaly. Also last night was very slow and only 5 girls danced. I had the chance to entertain many customers that were not with dancers..... and they loved my performances and were very hype. I also scored lapdances after performances. I just dont understand while these things were pointed out to me. I mind my own buisness, dont act like im better then everyone else, and do not "c*ckblock" with someoes customer as they call it. Sorry this is so long.. any feedback will be helpful. This club is convienent and close to home right now so im willing to hold my own ground and ignore jealous girls. Just concerned about if i should "mellow out" my routine to conform with the other girls?. Did anyone have any similar situations?

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    Watch what the other girls do. Most new dancers look nervous and frigid when they are on stage even if they don't realize it. Pole work is hard, and i highly doubt you went out there and looked like you knew what you were doing. I'd practice when the club was empty or slow, and slowly work it into your routine. Most club managers wouldn't comment on your danceing ability (especially as a newbie) unless you were really bad and drawing ALOT of unwanted attention to yourself. Take it as good advice and do what she says....it will probably benifit you in the long run both financially and by helping you ease into the club without too much conflict

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    yup...do not brush off what the manager says. you are not good. if anything, you are cocky. slow down, be sensual...not just during slow, sensual songs, but during all the songs.

    and there's nothing wrong with giving attention to guys who are "taken"...they aren't. now, you can't walk up to them if they are with someone. onstage, you are dancing for every guy there, including (maybe even especially) the ones sitting with somebody.

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    In my club the girls interupt eachother and myself while with customer for a tip. I just figured this was routine..... ?I chose not to interupt only because i dont feel comfortable with it. While on stage, i smile alot if im having fun and then when i give a little eyecontact to a customer sitting with another dancer, some dancers will shoot me a not so pleasant look. That is why i tended to stick with alone customers(if any), or danced for myself while onstage. I dont have an ego..... i just try to enjoy myself and smile even when the crowd is cheap, and real smile when im having a blast. Another question.... do any of you ladies dance any other way besides slow...... or is that just not common for the exotic dancer world..Since i havent been able to explore many dancers and clubs yet in my life...i am unsure of that and just wondering? Thank you.

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    all the girls at my club who make money dance slow, more or less. at least compared to "normal" dancing.

    and yeah...if you are thinking up excuses for why the manager is talking to you about dancing too hard (like that she might not want the other girls to hate you because you're so damn good), you're a little cocky.

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    There is ways to dance with a fast tempo, without looking like you are "dancing so hard". The goal here is to be sexy, not look like you are trying to work, or worse. No offense intended. Just listen to what your manager says, if you really don't believe her, ask someone like the dj for an honest, second opinion, but managers have nothing to gain by telling you to take it easy.


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    Are there mirrors around the stage? It would be a good idea for you to watch yourself and your moves when it is slow. Jazz, or hip hop style of dance is not good for a strip tease. Think a nice fluid tango or foxtrot instead. Think about the fluid movements of yoga or ballet when trying to seduce your audience. If you move too fast the guys can't really see your curves, or your femininity.

    An occasional explosion of movement (if the music calls for it) is okay. Like a dramatic pole spin, or a sudden dive into the splits etc. But keep all the motions fluid and connected, like a silk scarf caught in a breeze.


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    I prefer to dance to super hardcore music. I have seen a lot of girls do incredible, interesting and unique shows to fast music. Guys seem to prefer it. What guy wants to go to a strip club and watch some girl dance to some slow, sappy, girly, romance song. It's supposed to be entertaining and sexy not boring.
    Maybe you should practice sexy stripper style moves in the mirror at home. I had to get used to rubbing my hands all over my body without being embarrassed. I'm sure that your manager would approve of a super entertaining and sexy routine.
    Just remember to show confidence in your sex appeal. It's not go-go dancing; it's a sexy striptease.
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    red light green light ... i was in no way " thinking up excuses thinking im so damn good" as you just stated. The one lady manager/dancer told me specifically that i was a good dancer but i intimidate others.... then another time she said she does not want me to wear myself out by "dancing too hard".... that is why i came up with the assumption that it was so girls dont start to hate me or try to drive me out..... i also had thought that it was a nice way to say you suck... but i watched other dancers and really dont vary much from them except with my enthusiasm during songs i like ,and a little variety in my routine. I am in no way being "cocky"... i posted to figure out some mixed signals i had from the various things said to me. To the other ladies..... thank you for your nonjudgmental advice to me. I can relate to what was posted because thinking back now....... the times i really feel myself getting into the music most and really putting on a show is when its a more fast beat 80's/rock song i like. I also remember myself doing sensual moves and caressing myself to a favorite mellow song of mine "come undone. It's all in what natural energy the music brings to me.Live girls Unite i totally agree with you that when music calls for it... its great and entertaining to put on a fast show(exotic style) when you have a jumping crowd or one that may need some jumping. Anyway any advice on what i posted regarding bar rounds? Do girls inteupt eachother with customers for a tip.. or is this policy varied from club to club?

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    There is a girl at another club who looks like she's on speed with her stage sets...she's so different than the other girls...and it works for her. Her stage name is even Euphoria. She rocks...and she kicks ass.

    You need to do what you need to do to feel comfortable on stage. I know that some people say that you should only be sexy and slow on stage, but if the energy works for you (like it does for this other girl) I say do it. Don't listen to what anyone else says.

    And, if you are on-stage and there is a customer at the rail, he's in your playground. If there is a dancer sitting with him, who cares? If he's intently watching you, use it to your advantage. Just because there is a dancer sitting with a customer does not mean jack. I would never say it's ok to be walking the floor and go interrupt them, but if you are on stage and he is next to the stage...it's fair game.

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    Silky,
    As a former prof. ballet dancer turned exotic dancer I understand where you are coming from as well as what the manager who told you not to dance "too hard" probably meant.

    The thing to remember is that in a SC your audience is MUCH closer to you than they would be in a typical stage setting so you probably are dancing "too big "

    Try taking a slower, smaller and less intense approach. Think of it more as going from one sexy pose to the next and limit flashy moves and/or tricks to one or two per song.

    Try slower and smaller movements and remember sometimes less is more

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    Im sorry Silky but im gonna have to agree with the others. It sounds like your being egotistic. Take criticism and use it. I thought i was awesome when i started dancing but it turns out i was shky and nervous looking and i moved way too fast. Learn from judgement, dont take it wrong. you cant see yourself so you dont really know how you look up there. Like the other girl said, when its empty look at yourself in the mirror and get an idea of what the others are seeing. It will help, trust me. Then you will know for sure if youve got it goin on or not.
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    I would please ask those who are still continuing to answer my first message... to take into consideration that i am in tune with my dancing and only put on an energetic show when the song itself is a favorite of mine and has energy as well. Also, my performance didnt seem to hurt when the girls bailed out on their shifts sunday night bc it was seemingly"slow". I had the whole bar to entertain while the only 4 girls left working were giving dances in the back lounge. I recieved great feedback from those customers and got some dances myself.Thats y i posted....... i dont understand why i am criticized for putting energy into SELECT songs.. It not like im raving to techno on stage or something. Only critique i got was from the dancer who is in charge of my schedule so i call her my manager. The other 2 head managers do not bother me at all. I did not post on here to ask if im cocky or not........as i stated before.. i was simply Confused bc the ONE lady/dancer who gave me the critique.... ,had told me different reasons on why not to dance so hard.If im happy and the customers are happy... what is the big deal? I also said i do my fair share of slow and sensual dances as well. I like to mix it up when the time is appropriate. NEVER THOUGHT I WAS "too damn good"

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    If you intimidate others, you most likely intimidate customers and that defeats the whole purpose.


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    My first club ever was a real " high energy" club....the girls could dance the pants off of any other dancer I have met to date. It was awesome because I learned so much. Silky if you are gonna make it in this buisness you are going to have to take criticism. You asked for advice and opinions and that's what we gave you. I'm sorry but unless you had someone really show you how to dance..... you probably suck!!!! We all did. As far as putting on a show,..... style, technique, and persona are all something that take time to develop. I think you should take your manager's criticism and use it to help you grow. Every club is different, what worked at my first club definately doesn't work where I am now, and in a way I had to start over and learn different ways to make money, make new regulars, get used to a pole that doesn't spin...etc.....etc.
    Also..... being called intimidating.... I used to be told this all the time. If you are very attractive.... which I am sure you are.... it makes you "unapproachable" to a lot of men that come into clubs. It just means that you have to smile twice as much, be that much nicer, usually have to do "all the work" to get dances,and not ever have a bad day..... it sucks but get used to it.

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    Silky, i dont think anyones trying to imply that you dance all fast and crazy onstage, they are just trying to help. Noone in here including me really knows the truth about your dancing because we havent seen you dance. So i guess i would like to be the first one to take back part of what i said and give you the benifit of the doubt. If you know you are a good dancer than so be it, the only real oppinion that matters is your own. If you dont want people to think your a egomaniac then just dont post vain sounding topics anymore. Be your own judge is all i can really tell you. If you cant take advice then just go out there and do your thing and remember that alittle criticism isnt a bad thing, but if your not gonna listen then dont. do what you think is best.
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    Now telling me that certain style may work in one club as opposed to another...... is some criticism i can keep in mind..... just as a few other good pieces of information i have recieved on here... but a pre judgment on my ego and intentions from some was unnecessary and very unexpected. Im done on this post anyway i found some nice girls i could private message.. and to the other ladies who were helpful on here.. thanx =)

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    Oh yea and also since i know some situations can be my fault.... it would just be much less hurtful to here something like" it could be you... take some time to evaluate yourself.. and a "possible ego". instead of a direct attack. bye

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    All I can say is from years of experiance I can ALWAYS tell when a girl has never been on a strip club stage before, no matter what there background. No matter how good you think your doing, your not, and theres nothing wrong with that. Its a matter of getting comfortable doing it. I had a girl start recently who wanted to dance to up beat hip-hop, and looked like a train wreck doing it. The owner and manager were about to let her go until I decided to play "desert Rose" by Sting. She gave me a "what the [email protected]#k look from stage and I looked at her and told her to slow down, she did, much better. When she gets more comfortabe I'll try the Hippity Hop again. The manager saying you were "trying to hard" or "intimadating" was probably her diplomatic way of telling you you looked awkward on stage, and thats just common is all. Dont walk in and think just because you have yadda-yadda-yadda years of whatever dance training your gonna rock the exotic entertainer world. Its just like what I tell DJs who come in from doing club events or wedings, this is a whole nother ball game and one you have to learn just like anything else. If you keep that in mind you'll do fine.
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    Silky just do what works for you hon.

    Over time you will change your dancing style many, many, times. Keep in mind that if you aren't the right "fit" for a club either in the customer's or your co-workers eyes it can cause you trouble...... Customers who don't like your style won't spend $$. Mngmt who doesn't like your style may try to get rid of you and fellow dancers will be catty about it.

    It will also take you a few weeks to settle in and your tempo or movements will probably be different then. Basically take anyone's advice that you choose to--or ignore it if that is your choice. But in the end all that matters is how comfortable you are and how much $$ you make. You'll have to make sure your overall style (hair, makeup, costumes, dancing) helps you keep a healthy balance in your confort level/money making.

    BTW everyone 2 of the most ridiculous dancers I've ever worked with made awesome consistent $$$. One was a spastic Russian dancer with no rythm, grace or sensuality and no curves. She dances 90 mph to every single song! The guys loved it --they thought she'd be super energetic and carefree in bed - she probably was, but just wasn't appealing to me- She averaged 6-10 30min V.I.P's nightly.

    The other girl was majorly theatrical--all kinds of crazy poses and eye rolls, hair flips --just CORNY Broadway nonsense! She had absolute bangin' natural curves a true hourglass shape---She would dance for the entire night with 2-3 customers.

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    Silky, i think you need to not get so upset about all this. Your acting quite silly. Im gonna say it again, dont post in here if you cant handle the vast array of responses you will get, remember you started this post and your gonna get responses, good or bad, just dont be immature and get mad at the ones who give you their honest oppinions, the way your responding is arrogant and not understanding. tkae advice or leave the subject in the dark. There you go, and no, i am not being "mean" , i simply think you need to grow up alittle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky link=board=25;threadid=9702;start=msg117492#msg117 492 date=1086293733
    Oh yea and also since i know some situations can be my fault.... it would just be much less hurtful to here something like" it could be you... take some time to evaluate yourself.. and a "possible ego". instead of a direct attack. bye
    you're very right. i was much tougher on you than i needed to be, and i'm sorry for that. just realize...as mean as i was, there are a ton of guys who will be a lot meaner about turning you down for a dance. it's who they are, they get a kick out of it. personally, i was in a bad mood, and i realized shortly after logging off that i went a little far. just try not to take things too personally. you probably have the potential to be very good at the job, you've just got to do what the manager tells you, at least till you get the hang of it. once you're good at the standard dance, you can break the rules, but until then, it would be safer not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky link=board=25;threadid=9702;start=msg117490#msg117 490 date=1086293472
    Now telling me that certain style may work in one club as opposed to another...... is some criticism i can keep in mind..... just as a few other good pieces of information i have recieved on here... but a pre judgment on my ego and intentions from some was unnecessary and very unexpected. Im done on this post anyway i found some nice girls i could private message.. and to the other ladies who were helpful on here.. thanx =)
    All I was saying in my previous posts is to listen to what your manager is saying. She has nothing to gain by lying.


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    I think you guys were a little hard on her, she did say that the mgr/lady danced too. so just maybe she was trying to tell her that cause she sucked but she might of said it cause she is jealous. (you all know how us dancers can be) and to whomever said that guys don't like dancers who dance hard and fast, that is totally not true. i primarily dance to blues and slower new rock (some r&b if i'm in a wierd mood) but every now and again if the crowd is hyped and i have a bug up my butt and in a good mood, hell i'll break out the black patent leather(plether) robe, my thigh boots, and my sexy little "dog collar" and rock the house to pantera's walk and then a little du haust by ramstein. always brings 'em to their knees, and i walk away with tons of cash on stage. i usually end up getting asked to do privates after i get off stage too. ( maybe cause this is the bible-belt and all these farm boys have dominatrix fantasies but who cares?!) they love it and i love them for it. but i will say if your club does have mirrors, watch yourself in them. or ask the dj, most of those guys have been around the block a time or two and can really help you out. just make sure to tip them well, that will help you out in the long run. you give a dj say 10% and then he will work harder for you cause your giving him the cash to do it. good luck and hope it turns out well for you.
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    ^ it&#039;s not about whether the music is fast or slow. it&#039;s about how fast or slow the dancer is. i think faster, harder songs are much sexier, but i stay slow, because it&#039;s not about jumping around to fast music, it&#039;s about moving your body sensually and provocatively. that is...i dance slow to faster music.

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