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    I have to rant. I'm sorry. I don't rant much, I usually just let stuff roll off my back, but today, I am posting a rant and its on a subject we all know and love: Dirty girls and extras.

    I'm so pissed I could scream, not only scream but probably climb to the top of the highest mountain in Idaho and scream for about fifteen solid minutes until I am blue in the face.

    Here's the deal. Memorial day weekend. Slow. Expected. No big thing. I usually do well, but lately, I've noticed a pattern and that is why I am ranting.

    A girl who is a "fly by night" dancer.. she lives in another state and she shows up every two months or so and stays for a month has been in our club for about a month now.

    The other night, I was working on this guy and I went to do my set, came back and he was gone-she snagged him, no big deal. Then later, she is in the dressing room telling me that she was going to let this dude lick her for an extra $100. I was like "WTF? and WHY?" and she said, "Oh Gyn, you know, I do whatever I have to do to get my money and get out of here." This would explain why on slow nights, when the average numbers for each girl working is in the mid to late teens, why hers are in the thirties, forties and sometimes fifties range.

    So then I am sitting there talking to the same guy that she snagged and he asks for a dance and we go back into VIP and he says, "So, are you like so and so?" and I say, "Please clarify" and he goes into explaining about how she got him off in the VIP room.. so, I was just so disgusted that I told him that if that was what he was expecting that I wasn't going to dance for him. He let me dance for him but then said afterwards, "well, that was money wasted".

    Some of the girls have been wondering about this girl, and I have placed an anonymous note in the manager's office, but this would explain why all of us at our club are having such a hard time selling dances but she has no problems! Our club is a clean club, we like to keep it that way, its a small town as well, but all of us have noticed a pattern in our earnings lately. When this girl works, its like she's the cat's meow. I'd like to note too that I am not big on putting anyone down or anything, but she's not all that and a bag of chips, she doesn't really dance well either, but I realize that some guys like different things.. but this is really ridiculious. So much so that there have been nights when we have cashed out where the manager on duty doesn't understand why some of us girls who are usually top earner girls aren't pulling the numbers we used to but she is doubling and tripling us and coming in later than all of us.

    I'm just pissed pissed and more pissed. I hate girls like this.

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    Sorry, Gynger. We feel your pain.

    you can dance for me anytime, my dear.

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    I know, it is a trend. The willing girls and the club owners/managers have created it. There&#039;s not a damn thing we can do about it except run from it. I can&#039;t understand it though. Don&#039;t people care about their health? Guys licking on you can&#039;t be safe, for the guys or the girls. It&#039;s just gross.

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    Gynger, If you guys put enough pressure on management, I think they&#039;ll fire this girl or at least bring her in and question her about what she&#039;s doing. Get as many girls as you can to complain to mgmt about it. They might worry if lots of girls become unhappy. Otherwise, they might just keep enjoying the profits she brings in.

    The fact is, all girls should dance at places where they offer around the same kind of mileage. Not all dancers have to agree on what this is, but the management should acknowledge and enforce the limits (if any) that should be going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn link=board=27;threadid=9723;start=msg116490#msg116 490 date=1086124211
    It happened in the 20&#039;s. It happened again after WW2. Again in the late 60&#039;s-early 70&#039;s and the 80&#039;s and each time the cycle went deeper then the cycle before. A trend starts, people are entertained, but they get jaded and they start wanting more. Someone supplies it because they can make a buck doing so.
    I think that this, and the rest of what Thorn writes, is extremely accurate, and I agree that it is very difficult to do anything about it, but "very difficult" is not the same as impossible, of course.

    I wonder if legalization or decriminalization of prostitution would not at least partially solve the problem. Obviously many guys would like to buy actual sex, not just sexual fantasy stimulation, and some dancer-prostitutes are willing to sell it. But that is not what all customers want, and many dancers would, of course, prefer to provide fantasy entertainment only. The problem, in a sense, is that these two types of customers and two types of dancers are all mixed up in the same clubs, thus creating a lot of stress, confusion and inappropriate expectations for all concerned. If there were legal brothels (or where there are legal brothels), the women who are willing to be commercial sex providers and the customers who want to purchase sex could (or can) work in and patronize, respectivelly, them instead of meeting "under the cover" of strip clubs.

    There certainly are such places in the world. For example, the main upscale strip clubs in Melbourne, Australia along King St in the CBD are just a few blocks from at least two excellent, upscale brothels (Top of the Town and The Boardroom) which are quite comparable to the clubs in terms of attractive staffs, decor, safety and so forth. It would be interesting to hear from some of the Aussie dancers here if they think that the availability of such attractive and legal brothels reduces the pressure for extras. Of course, it might also reduce the number of customers, but presumably the customers lost are exactly those that most "clean" dancers complain about anyway.

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    Gynger, it sounds like you need to do some regulation in your club. If it&#039;s only this travelling girl who&#039;s doing the nasty, you other girls can get rid of her if you team up and play it right. Keep it on the low but effective. This is really the only way to battle this crap. &#039;Market trends&#039; or no, there are ways for us to keep things clean without always having to &#039;run from it&#039;. Running from it only serves to exacerbate the problem.

    Also this sort of self-regulation is very effective at my club. There are anywhere from 20-80 girls on shift at any time, and if someone is seen getting out of line with their dances, you can bet the other girls make sure something is done about it, one way or another.

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    I also agree with Bridgette. That is how we resolved this type of behavior at lower mileage clubs I have worked in. Social forces, such as shame and fear, can go a long way........

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    Thorn:

    Nope, not taking off anyone&#039;s head on opinions.

    I find it incredibly sad that some girls will resort to being "dirty" in order to make money. There&#039;s no need or cause for it personally, and I do agree with the "trend" statement, I guess as time goes on, more expectations are rising.

    Personally, I was so speechless when she said that she was going to allow this dude to lick her that I couldn&#039;t say anything to her at all.

    I will be working with her tomorrow and if it does come up you can bet that I will be giving her a firm piece of my Irish redheaded mind.


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    Bridgette,

    Makes sense. It&#039;s hard to do, since you must be very aware of what the other girls are doing. It is impossible to fight in the cities where extras have taken over though, which was what I was talking about when I said run from it - don&#039;t go to these clubs if you are a clean dancer. If the managers are looking over the dirt, it is a lot harder to get rid of these girls. I experienced this at a club, where the girls were called out but no one cared.

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    Gynger, If you guys put enough pressure on management, I think they&#039;ll fire this girl or at least bring her in and question her about what she&#039;s doing. Get as many girls as you can to complain to mgmt about it. They might worry if lots of girls become unhappy. Otherwise, they might just keep enjoying the profits she brings in.
    Don&#039;t be so sure ! After all, the clubowner is earning 3 or 4 times as much money off this &#039;dirty dancer&#039; as he is off the rest of the dancers ! If a clubowner is the greedy type, democracy may not apply.

    I&#039;ll relay a personal experience. A new club had just opened in a small city, which had 12 dancers. Business was booming after the grand opening as this was the first club ever to open in this city, but then the slow season set in and the club and dancers were only earning 1/2 of what they had been a few weeks before. At any rate, one girl decides to move to greener pastures, and the clubowner replaces her with another dancer who looks and acts pretty sleazy. To make a long story short, this new girl suddenly has a line of guys waiting to buy private dances from her, while the other 11 dancers (including myself) are struggling even more than usual. A little cloak and dagger quickly turns up the fact that this girl is giving HJ&#039;s and BJ&#039;s to customers during her private dances, which explains her popularity.

    Being concerned that this new girl is being so up front with offering "extras" that she may put the club and all the other dancers at risk of being busted, several of us dancers approach the clubowner (separately), tell him what we have seen going on in the private dance area. tell him of our fears, and ask that he consider firing this girl. The clubowner responds uh-huh uh-huh, but after 4 days the new girl is still there and still doing "extras". So all 11 of us &#039;original&#039; dancers approach the clubowner with an ultimatum - either fire this new girl or we will all have to leave. 11 to 1 is a no-brainer, right ?

    Wrong ! The clubowner silently ponders our ultimatum for about 60 seconds. Then he says "goodbye!", and tells all 11 of us to get dressed and leave. 2 seconds later he reaches for the phone and starts calling his clubowner buddies in neighboring cities. By the time the last of us had gotten dressed and collected all of our stuff, 6 replacement dancers had arrived - and ALL 6 of them were doing "extras" the same as the new girl. By the next night, the club had brought in a total of 11 new dancers to replace us - with all 11 doing "extras".

    Of the 11 of us that quit/got fired, four of us were able to find new dancing jobs in an upscale club located in a different city about 20 miles away which was not affiliated with this particular clubowner. The other 7 wound up quitting dancing altogether, as they weren&#039;t up to the hiring standards of this upscale club, because many of the surrounding "lesser" clubs were run by buddies of the clubowner that had fired us who would not hire girls whom a fellow clubowner had labelled as "troublemakers", and because the remaining "lesser" clubs were offering so much high contact and "extras" that a clean dancer couldn&#039;t earn any money.

    Post Script - that clubowner and the 12 replacement dancers doing "extras" made money hand over fist for the next 3 months - until local politicians and cops finally got sick of the goings on and busted the club. The clubowner wound up going to court twice to avoid doing some jail time, the city passed an anti-dance club ordinance as a result of the bust, and the club closed permanently (and was never replaced to this day, because the ordinance makes it impossible for a club to make a profit). The 12 replacement dancers copped a plea arranged by the clubowner&#039;s attorney, took another "lewd conduct" conviction on their records (which was basically meaningless on top of the other lewd conduct and prostitution charges already on their records), the clubowner paid their $500 fines, and they simply filtered back into the "lesser" clubs in surrounding cities which were run by this clubowner&#039;s buddies. Within a couple of months the same clubowner opened another brand new very nice looking club in a nearby city, financed with the money he earned during those 3 months by collecting 50% of the &#039;dirty dancers&#039; private dance money.

    Moral of the story is that the only losers in the deal were the 7 dancers who were not able to make the cut at the one and only nearby upscale club, and who were not willing to do the high contact and "extras" necessary in order to earn decent money in every other "lesser" club within reasonable driving distance. I have to agree 100% with Thorn about "the power of Green" - that dancers should NEVER assume that a clubowner will decide to do what is "right" if it is going to cost him money to do so !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=27;threadid=9723;start=msg116521#msg116 521 date=1086129116

    I find it incredibly sad that some girls will resort to being "dirty" in order to make money.
    Personally, I was so speechless when she said that she was going to allow this dude to lick her that I couldn&#039;t say anything to her at all.
    Lets see average price of a lap/table dance is about 20 bucks, add 100 to eat some sweaty, unclean twat in the back room....
    yeah 120 bucks sounds like a great price for my soul and my health

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    Giving ultimatums to your boss is always a bad idea, no matter what business you are in.
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    This is just nasty and it tells me that this girl has no self-esteem. Gyn I would be sure to tell the management and a housemom (if u have on).

    Also I would directly confront this dancer and tell her what she is doing is not ok in your club. If she continues than the regular dancers should go to the club owner.

    This is just my two cents, but it has worked for me before. I think the club owner would rather keep the "money-maker" regular girls than the one that comes once a month.

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    At my club there&#039;s a lewd conduct list that is posted in the dressing room.Anytime there&#039;s a new girl doing "extras",the regular girls tells the management,as a result,they start watching them closely(i.e.peeking at them when they&#039;re in a private room)catch them red-lipped,err red-handed,then puts their Polaroid in this box next to the list with their names on it.This club(Gold Club,New Orleans) actually looks out for us old gals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest link=board=27;threadid=9723;start=msg116735#msg116 735 date=1086169937
    ....catch them red-lipped,err red-handed,then puts their Polaroid in this box next to the list with their names on it.
    HAHA this is the best thing I&#039;ve read all day! All clubs should have a wall of shame such as this! LOL Anyone who winds up on the wall of shame is banned from the club. That would sure put a stop to a whole lotta BS.

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    I forgot to say that these girls are forever banned from the club and the rest of us are a lot happier after their Adieu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade is a D.j. link=board=27;threadid=9723;start=msg116556#msg116 556 date=1086133679
    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=27;threadid=9723;start=msg116521#msg116 521 date=1086129116

    I find it incredibly sad that some girls will resort to being "dirty" in order to make money.
    Personally, I was so speechless when she said that she was going to allow this dude to lick her that I couldn&#039;t say anything to her at all.
    Lets see average price of a lap/table dance is about 20 bucks, add 100 to eat some sweaty, unclean twat in the back room....
    yeah 120 bucks sounds like a great price for my soul and my health
    lol blade, gynger you have every right to rant id be pissed too, its a bunch of bullshit if you ask me lol
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    Yeah, we have obtusive cameras that aren&#039;t that good, basically they make a show - though if someone really wants to provide extras it is possible. We also ONLY have them on loop for about an hour, none of them are saved for any period of time, as we&#039;ve been told it is illegal - and yes, we frequently tell customers this so that they will keep getting lap dances.
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    I love you Gynger, your the best, just keep doing your thing and that b#$ch will get what she deserves! I love reading your posts whether they are rants or not so keep em coming, you are one interesting woman!
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    This dancer is looking for quick money and has no loyalty to the club. Your town has more clubs than it needs for it&#039;s size and you have mentioned in other posts that the club is slow.

    The manager is happy for extra business and many managers like that kind of stuff to go on anyway. They are in this business to get the inside pussy connection.

    Plus what is a problem for some people is ok for others. Some people view paid sex as nasty and others don&#039;t see a reason to turn down extra money for a robotic sex act.

    A dancer at on club I worked at told me her friend was asked to do a party for some guys and that she would get $3000.

    This girl told me she would fuck all night until her pussy got sore for $3000.

    How do you change that?

    And what guy would rather have a dance over sex?

    If the club can get away with letting sexual activity slide, they may do so if it helps business.

    I like that idea of taking a picture. Then you&#039;ll have the dancer and the customer chasing you for that incriminating photo and you can blackmail them for it. LOL.

    All laughing aside it just depends on managements concern or lack of on this issue. If they are ok with it and you bring it up, that might cause you some problems.

    I guess you&#039;ll have to tread lightly and take your picture discreetly.

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    The whole thing sucks and I&#039;m right with you on that, but unless you can stop her, you just have to suck it up and realize that sex is always going to make more money than no sex. She will be gone soon, so just try to stick it out until then. I refuse to believe that most strip club patrons would rather have sex than lap dances. At least not at my club. Sure, some would. But I know that lots of guys out there actually do care about their health, have high standards, see "extras" girls as "dirty" and would rather have a few good dances and good conversation with a nice "clean" girl any day. I&#039;m not saying don&#039;t be mad because I understand your rant 100%. But my advice is just grin and bear it. Acknowledge that when this girl comes in you won&#039;t make as much money as usual, but don&#039;t let it stop you from trying harder to compete with the other clean girls for the few clean customers that are left. Best of luck to you.

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    I&#039;ll back up Thorn&#039;s post that obtrusive security cameras can indeed scare away club customers. The cameras are particularly effective in scaring away well to do middle aged guys with professional jobs, who potentially have a lot to lose if video of their presence in a strip club (or video of doing more than just "being" in a strip club) were to fall into the wrong hands - i.e. a divorce lawyer, an employer looking for reasons to &#039;downsize&#039; by firing an &#039;expensive&#039; employee for reasons of moral terpitude, the IRS, local cops, potential blackmailers, and who knows who else.

    There are two other types of customers who don&#039;t seem to mind cameras. The first is broke customers who have nothing to lose and nothing to hide. The second is sleazeball customers, who see cameras as yet another challenge in their quest for "extras".

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    gynger, aside from this one girl fucking up everybody else&#039;s money, here&#039;s another potential problem you&#039;ll soon have because of her: New girls. New girls who come in and see what she&#039;s doing and decide to copy her actions. Now your cash flow is even more jacked and the problem has spread.

    For months my money had been down. We&#039;re talking low low. Then all of a sudden 2 weeks ago I&#039;m back up again consistently. It took me 2 seconds to figure out that HAD to be because most of the hookers are gone. And the one left doesn&#039;t work too often.

    Management rarely does shit about this kind of "problem." You and your girls are on your own as far as regulation goes. Tread lightly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer link=board=27;threadid=9723;start=msg116495#msg116 495 date=1086125963
    There certainly are such places in the world. For example, the main upscale strip clubs in Melbourne, Australia along King St in the CBD are just a few blocks from at least two excellent, upscale brothels (Top of the Town and The Boardroom) which are quite comparable to the clubs in terms of attractive staffs, decor, safety and so forth. It would be interesting to hear from some of the Aussie dancers here if they think that the availability of such attractive and legal brothels reduces the pressure for extras. Of course, it might also reduce the number of customers, but presumably the customers lost are exactly those that most "clean" dancers complain about anyway.

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    Well.. you wanted a response from an Aussie Dancer. Whilst I only did a fortnight in Melbourne... I feel I got a good "snapshot" of the scene down there from a dancer POV.

    No - having those two brothels very close by does not affect business.

    The Gold Coast has 5 or 6 legal operating brothels... with 3 10mins taxi/cab ride from where all the 3 main strip clubs operate. If anyone ever asks for sex or anything like it, I tell them "Catch a taxi, it&#039;s 10 minutes from here".

    Actually I would say Canberra in the ACT is where this question should be aimed. Why? There is only really one true strip club - Sinsations. All the other "gentlemen&#039;s clubs" are really fronts for brothels. There the dancers WILL provide extras if so wanted otherwise you can still go there for a normal strip club experience... from what I have heard (my flatmate is from Canberra).

    In the end, if there are legal brothels close by.. all the better for the strip club in my opinion. The dancers will know where to point patrons after such services and, as far as I know, some of the clubs will even encourage patrons to go to certain brothels after visiting!

    At the moment, the problem of &#039;extras&#039; is not a problem here in Australia. It is pretty clear cut which clubs across the country provide what .... everyone generally knows where to go for the "dirty" clubs (which usually have a different license than normal strip clubs anyhow).


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    I tend to think that in a case like Gynger&#039;s, where there&#039;s only one dirty girl who only works sporadically, her existence doesn&#039;t really bring any new money into the club. I think she only serves to take money away from the regular girls when she&#039;s there. Customers at such a club aren&#039;t used to the availability of extras and only know to expect it when that one girl is there AND when they&#039;ve had contact with her. Gynger stated herself that everyone else&#039;s money drops when that one girl is there, and goes back to normal when she&#039;s not. I&#039;d wager that if a study of the numbers were done, there are no more dances sold OVERALL when she&#039;s there than when she&#039;s not, she&#039;s just taking a larger slice of the pie when she flies in - and when she&#039;s gone the pie is the same size, only it&#039;s being divided more &#039;evenly&#039; among the regular girls.

    If you look at it this way, the existence of extras doesn&#039;t necessarily cause more money to be spent in a strip club OVERALL, it only distorts the WAY it is spent in a club. If extras were always monitored and no one was ever allowed to get away with it, I say there would never have been a problem. Guys would still go to clubs, they just wouldn&#039;t have had their idea of what is worth their money distorted so badly. Of course once the box is opened it can&#039;t be closed. Too bad so many owners and managers let the biz go this way.

    It can still be combatted in a club such as Gynger&#039;s, if the regular girls will work together to run the nasty girl out. For those of us in clubs/areas where extras are more common, we have to deal in other ways.

    In a way this makes me glad to be in my stricter $10 dance environment. There are no vip rooms, no separate dance rooms at all. Everything is done out in the open on the main floor. It&#039;s not hard to get $10 out of a guy, even if he prefers extras. It&#039;s also easier to keep the guys under control when they&#039;re only spending $10 for a dance - they don&#039;t feel quite as &#039;entitled&#039;. With lower prices it is easier to get guys in the door and buying dances in the first place. Higher volume = more $$ any way you cut it. Finally, when you&#039;re in an area that is more strict on clubs and dancing in general it is MUCH more important to the club to maintain a reasonable amount of control over what&#039;s going on. So....I can dance my ass off for a few hours at $10 a pop and still make the same money, more consistently, as if I worked in a $20 dance environment, with WAY less bullshit.

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