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    Hey all! After 12 years on and off as a dancer, I have finally been asked to manage 2 dayshifts at my club. I have plenty of ideas of my own to make (at least on my shifts) a change for the better. I have been reading a lot of the posts on this site - especially 'The Perfect Club" . I would like more ideas - even if they wouldn't work in our club. So, I guess what I am asking is - if you had a chance to manage your club, what would you do?
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    Wow! Congrats!
    I have thought about that before and always thought that it would be hard to be the boss of the girls that I have worked with for so long. We used to have a manager that was a dancer for 15 years or something, she was great! She actually got promoted to be in charge of inventory at one of the shops, its a big one too! I'm sure if you decide to do it that you will be great! Good Luck!!


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    Congratulations!
    My idea of the dream club manager would be someone who is totally open to competition and creativity. A lot of managers will make girls come in at a specific time and stay for a specific amount of time. Then they say that it's not fair to the other girls who choose to come in during the down times when there is not much competition. If certain dancers can't hack it during peak competition then they need to come up with a better plan. The dancers who can hack it shouldn't have to suffer because of those who can't.
    I also would not require that dancers wear "stripper shoes". Those things suck! I love vegas clubs because they are too big and busy to pay attention. Either you make sales or you don't. If your shoes are not good for making sales then you learn the hard way.
    I also don't think that a dancer should ever be required to pay up front fees. I think it should always be based on a % of dances actually sold. There is no need to worry about a dancer lying about how much she has made. If a dancer continously has a problem with making sales in comparison to others, then you can give her a warning to shape up or ship out.
    Again - congratulations. It seems very rare to see a woman manager in this field. Good for you.
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    Congrats babe! I don't really have any new ideas to add, but I'd advise that you take it slow and really watch the whole picture at the club. Listen to what the girls say as well as the managers and other staff. You are in a unique position as you've been working with these girls and have a better feel for what they REALLY think about the club. Don't try to make too many changes too fast, better to ease into it.

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    Pudding Wrestling!!!!!!!!!
    I dont know...I just think it would bring customers in and it would be fun!!
    Maybe its a bit out there...but who knows



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    oh and Congrats!!!!!!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by catfly link=board=27;threadid=9804;start=msg117680#msg117 680 date=1086318570
    Hey all! After 12 years on and off as a dancer, I have finally been asked to manage 2 dayshifts at my club. I have plenty of ideas of my own to make (at least on my shifts) a change for the better. I have been reading a lot of the posts on this site - especially 'The Perfect Club" . I would like more ideas - even if they wouldn't work in our club. So, I guess what I am asking is - if you had a chance to manage your club, what would you do?
    what I would do and what an ex dancer in that same club would do are two different hurdles that you are describing.

    IMO
    If i were you,I would work those two day shifts as they are,as the other mgrs and gen mgr want them.JUST LEARN THE ROPES.Then as you demonstrate the ability to be a good mgr,change clubs.
    If you remove the candy coating and bullshit,you will find MOST dancers fail at being mgrs in the clubs they have worked in.
    To begin with,it usually means a drastic paycut.And payday now comes in a check at the end of the week,not cash nightly.
    Be ready for that.
    Its a male dominated position in this world.
    The mgrs and owners will always look at you as an X dancer.You wont get the respect you deserve.
    The regs at the bar who get lapdances from you will still want them,only now you CANT because your the mgr.Be ready to tell them No,doesnt matter how much money is offered.
    But by far,the biggest obstical will be the girls you work with.
    I know I know,all the girls love you,and im sure they do.That all changes when you become mgr.
    Take a look at the girls you work with now and call friends,that list will change when you become mgr.(i promise you this is fact)
    wait till you have to fine your best friend for being late or breaking a rule,or worse,fire her.
    Its hard for an entertainer to go from being the somewhat pampered employee,to being the person responsible for cleaning the puke up off the floor in the mens room at the end of the night.

    Im not trying to scare you or piss you off,you may be great mgr material.Its my opinion that you should be a mgr ANYWHERE else but in the club you danced at.
    You will probably make more money and i assure you,you will have less drama.
    You want drama,try to be a mgr at a club where you danced.

    No matter what,I wish you luck.

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    I think you could use your experience as a dancer to your advantage. Think about all the changes you wished the management would have made while you were dancing and go for it. Good luck!!!

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    I have to agree with GreenMnM. I love the people I work for, the owners' father hired me. The owner and I went to rival High Schools. We have known each other practically all of our lives. Would I manage one of the clubs? Hell no! Who wants the freakin headaches! Long hours, PMS, creapy customers. You will defiantely be taking a pay cut. It is definately still a male dominated world. I participate in many of our club events with the owners and, even with three degrees, I am still expected to be the "entertainment" at the event.
    On the plus side. One of my favorite managers at another club was a woman. She was simpathetic, she could relate to our issues. At another club, a former dancer became a manager and she did very well. She also had her husband's income to supplement her's. The money did not matter.
    I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Why would I give up the glamerous life I have? I know dancing can be strenuous but I think you would be unhappy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM link=board=27;threadid=9804;start=msg117901#msg117 901 date=1086365929
    Quote Originally Posted by catfly link=board=27;threadid=9804;start=msg117680#msg117 680 date=1086318570
    Hey all! After 12 years on and off as a dancer, I have finally been asked to manage 2 dayshifts at my club. I have plenty of ideas of my own to make (at least on my shifts) a change for the better. I have been reading a lot of the posts on this site - especially 'The Perfect Club" . I would like more ideas - even if they wouldn't work in our club. So, I guess what I am asking is - if you had a chance to manage your club, what would you do?
    what I would do and what an ex dancer in that same club would do are two different hurdles that you are describing.

    IMO
    If i were you,I would work those two day shifts as they are,as the other mgrs and gen mgr want them.JUST LEARN THE ROPES.Then as you demonstrate the ability to be a good mgr,change clubs.
    If you remove the candy coating and bullshit,you will find MOST dancers fail at being mgrs in the clubs they have worked in.
    To begin with,it usually means a drastic paycut.And payday now comes in a check at the end of the week,not cash nightly.
    Be ready for that.
    Its a male dominated position in this world.
    The mgrs and owners will always look at you as an X dancer.You wont get the respect you deserve.
    The regs at the bar who get lapdances from you will still want them,only now you CANT because your the mgr.Be ready to tell them No,doesnt matter how much money is offered.
    But by far,the biggest obstical will be the girls you work with.
    I know I know,all the girls love you,and im sure they do.That all changes when you become mgr.
    Take a look at the girls you work with now and call friends,that list will change when you become mgr.(i promise you this is fact)
    wait till you have to fine your best friend for being late or breaking a rule,or worse,fire her.
    Its hard for an entertainer to go from being the somewhat pampered employee,to being the person responsible for cleaning the puke up off the floor in the mens room at the end of the night.

    Im not trying to scare you or piss you off,you may be great mgr material.Its my opinion that you should be a mgr ANYWHERE else but in the club you danced at.
    You will probably make more money and i assure you,you will have less drama.
    You want drama,try to be a mgr at a club where you danced.

    No matter what,I wish you luck.
    Actually, I already requested my best friend who wants to come back not to be re-hired. She simply doesn't have the right attitude to be a dancer. She always gets mad when a customer won't tip, and she runs them out of the club. That's not good for business.

    As far as taking a paycut, I won't be. I am allowed to dance as well as manage. As a manager, I also will be a waitress. So, I now have 3 ways to make money. Plus, a cash daily pay to show up. Not to mention, I will still be dancing the rest of the week.

    I am not too worried if the dancers like me or not. I won't put up with dancers being late. I only have to put up with it now because I am not managing. I hate being the only dancer for 2 hours until the others girls feel like showing up. I am at work to make money, not friends.

    As far as respect goes, the owners always ask me for advice. When I suggested they advertise on the oldies station to bring in older customers, they did. So, I am not too worried about that either.

    And Thanks for the replies. Pudding wrestling might actually make dayshift worthwhile!
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    As far as taking a paycut, I won't be. I am allowed to dance as well as manage. As a manager, I also will be a waitress. So, I now have 3 ways to make money. Plus, a cash daily pay to show up. Not to mention, I will still be dancing the rest of the week.
    Your going to run the club,serve drinks,and dance during the afternoon shifts?
    ((banging head on desk)))
    Are you sure your not one of mine??
    The only way you could have possibly made becomming a mgr in a club you used to dance in HARDER,is to try to become the mgr and keep dancing at the same time!
    Im not trying to sound like dad,the pope,or the grim reaper,but what your talking about isnt possible.
    Ask the forum if you dont belive me.
    Each of those is a full time job.
    If i saw you walking into a brick wall,i would yell stop.



    STOP!!
    And Thanks for the replies. Pudding wrestling might actually make dayshift worthwhile!
    There are many reasons why this doesnt work as a promotion.
    Very few clubs have the ability to pull one off,and those that can,they dont,they know what the inside of a club looks like after one of these events.(it really does look like a shitstorm if it was chocolate pudding!! :o)
    The damage far outweighs the profit.
    Ask the forum to name 3 clubs across the country currently running this promotion.They cant.
    It looks good on TV,but remember,your going to be the mgr responsible for cleaning it all up before the nightshift gets there.
    Make your first promotion less of a production.
    Get that oldies radio station to do something like a wed after work party.offer a free "hump day buffet"or something.
    As the new part time mgr,start with ripples,then as time goes by,toss in the waves.
    Use the KISS theory at first.
    Keep it simple stupid.
    good luck!!!

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    Well, with less than 15 customers a day, I'm sure I can get off the chair, get the door, put the door charge in the register, get him a coke and then dance. Dayshift is very slow. We don't serve alcohol, it's byob. Managing is just making sure we have dancers, and getting the door. This is a very small club. It would not be possible to do all the above on a busy Friday night. Waitressing would be selling dances for the dancers. I do that anyway as it is. Our other manager is so lazy she won't get the door half the time or wait on us. So, this would be nice to get paid to do this.
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    we had pudding wrestling at my club back east in a big baby pool one of the inflatable kind that are about makybe 2 feet or a little less deep. towls on the stage and towls waiting for the girls when getting off. Althogh our stage was inside the bar so it hit no customers...
    it really did bring in A LOT of people ...but we had to quit it before it became boring. so they would do it a couple weeks once a week for a while..then stop for a while. It was cool. It made the girls and club money.



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    Definitely do day shift promotionals, I hate the fact that my club only gets started at 8 or 9pm. Including the VIP lounge! Crappity, if some poor unfortunate customer shows up at 6pm, when we say we open, they have to wait until 8pm to get a lap dance! It doesn't work, so they think "oh, in the future, I won't show up/I'll show up at 9pm!" and thus the problem repeats itself!

    Pudding wrestling sounds like hella fun, the most we do is Twister or "Make-Em-Clap" competitions.

    Don't let dancers/customers weasel themselves out of breaking the rules! This is what gets me a lot at my club - for example, stupid guy who has maybe spent $15 the entire night starts trying to molest me in the VIP room. The bouncer throws him out. So he goes and whines to the manager who lets him back in! WTF? I could maaaaaybe see a little leeway if he's a long-time guy who just that once got really drunk, but no, some random idiot. Just is bad form.
    Same with dancers - we've one girl that every week or so is fired or quits, then shows up crying for her job back, then fucks up again.

    BGMM, I have to disagree, at my club which is tiny several of the bartenders do private dances because it is does get slow enough to be able to do both on a given night. Managing might be a different story, depending on how much needs to be done in one evening, but at my club, any business aspects can be done at the beginning and end of shifts and my manager spends the rest of the greeting customers and not much else, as I notice. Checking up on schtuff and dealing with employee issues wouldn't take away too much from helping fill drink orders and occasionally doing dances.
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